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"Jeff Bridges"

Mon, 04 Jul 2022 07:01

We come to you from the ranch, where we do some trim tabbing and advanced pretending with Jeff Bridges, a.k.a. “Uncle Jeff.” So grab your shades and throw on a robe… it’s SmartLess, dude.

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You guys got it? OK. Wow. The kitchen is ********* this morning, and it's an all new episode of the Will Arnett Breakfast podcast. So get your Turkey bacon ready, because we're about to sizzle up some sand and we're doing smartlist. We're doing we're still doing smartlists. Yeah, after one. OK, only one. Yeah, but we're are we gonna get to the breakfast? No, you should have had breakfast already, dude. OK, alright, so no new smart list. Smart. Smart glass. So your mic's coming in from over the top today, huh? You're usually under miked, aren't you? I'm using my 87, which is my broadcast mic. Oh yeah, well, you have it. Looks like you have sweat coming off your. Yeah. Will you nervous? I was running around. I am actually nervous, but I was also running around. Trying to get my mic fixed and I could not fix it and and that caused all that sweat. How did you break your mic? Did you have a bad peanut butter chocolate session? What's what's the name of the oh, you know what I would say about that joke? It's lazy. What's lazy? I'm just ****** *** because I still don't have free reeses. You threw around just a bunch of info. But it was it was lazy. You didn't you didn't put it together? No, I don't usually tell you what's really well, but I tell you, it's really well put together. It's a Reese's Peanut Butter cup. Are you sorry? I'm not sorry. Is A is the best wait. But will the trying to fix your microphone whipped up all that sweat that's dripping from your face and your body? Wait, what's wrong? Usually one doesn't really sweat when you just plug stuff in. I had to run. I had to run upstairs, get some players, get some things hot in here. I just took a sauna, that's why. But the air you have air conditioning on right now, he's still sweating from the sauna. I'm like I worked out. I got you know, Sean, did you exercise at all today where you are you were you helpful to your body? No. Well, no. Well, I want to tell you a little story, something that happened to me and Scott. I want to hear a story. I want to hear a story about you and Scott. Here we go. So it was a couple of weeks ago. Scott and I had a dinner to go to, and I walk out of the closet, and I walk out of the closet and he says, he says he really going to wear that. I'm like, what's wrong with it? He said it's too matchy matchy. We can't both both wear the same color red shirt. It looks weird. And I was like, what do you mean this is dark green? He said no. And under red shirt since I was four. Oh, I have a red shirt and. And I said, we can't wear the same. It's I said mine is green. He said, no, it's red. And we just both looked at each other because we both knew that how colorblind I am. And I was like, oh, and I just, and I switched shirts. But when I was younger, I worked at the gap, remember? And girls would come in and they want to put together outfits for their boyfriends. This is what reminded me of this. And I'd be all confident and they'd walk out with like a mustard yellow sweater and shirt, brown pants and like a bright red shirt. None of it matched. And the coworkers would be like after the transaction. And they're like, hey, are you OK? Because that was that looks terrible. And they were like, Are you sure? I was like, you clowning our customers. Are you doing it to **** with them? No. I he's colorblind. I was colorblind. I didn't really admit it. And so I was putting together. He's gonna start listening to what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I was surprised that I hope. Right. I should know that he's going to cut my question. I'm super, super, super colorblind. You would think that that that the gap that would be like the first Test they would give you. I know they don't, though. Security clearance. And then if you're colorblind now you're colorblind. And what's the deal? You think that there's a cure in McDonald's food? Is that why you? I don't understand the correlation rolling in so much. McDonald's all? Hey, guys, I'm up for the challenge. If that's what it takes. But does not have a cure for cutting chicken for dinner tonight. Not a shocker. But, but it's so funny because those girls, because they didn't know, like, what looked good on their man. And I was like, I can take care of that. And I was putting together these outfits that were so ugly. You believe it? Yeah, I don't. I'm not. Anyway, what I do want to do, though, if I can switch gears for a second, I want to get to our guest because I am really excited. You asked me before if I was nervous. Yes, I am nervous. It's not why I'm sweating, but it would not be unusual for me to sweat thinking about, you know, having this person on our podcast. This is somebody that I have a great, great deal of for real, what we call for real skis. Admiration for. Don't think anyone says that. People, a lot of people, well, they're going to start saying it for real skis. Admiration. Yeah, yeah, I know. It makes it sound less important. But I'm really, really nervous. This person has been nominated, I think, for seven Academy Awards. Now I'm sweating, OK, received an Academy Award in in 22,009. I don't want to say what it's for because I don't want to give it away yet. I could have received an Academy Award, in my view, probably five more times for other roles. This is a guy who has consistently delivered. I don't, I can't even name his movies because you're going to immediately know who he was. The first time I actually met him was only a few years ago, because his. His brother played my dad, so for a minute he said that he was my my fake uncle. He's the guy who started working with his brother and his dad when he was super young, and he has never stopped. And all he's done is really incredible. Interesting stuff. It's none other than Mr Jeff Bridges. Jeff Bridges. Damn, God, I was so close. Really? You guys? Jeff Bridges playing with you? I I dig all of you guys so much. Oh my gosh, Jeff, this is so cool to see you. This is wonderful. Listen, our first of all, you should know that Jeff is sitting in one of the yummiest looking rooms I've ever seen. This is this looks like a downstairs. Yeah, this looks like a basement. It's got a wood ceiling. Look like a set. It looks like a set. No big. Well, it is. You guys, it's Sean. This is the the barn. From the horror House of Heavens. Gate. Wait, what are you talking about? You being serious. Camino the director. You know, they were going to burn this, the set down because the owner of the land didn't want it on his property. And Mike said, anybody want it? And I raised my hand and we numbered the logs and we put it 400 miles South and set it up. And this is where I've lived with my wife for about 40 years. In Montana. Yeah. No way. Way, man. In Montana. Wow. Oh my God. You know that. You know, that's a film I've never seen. Heaven's gate. None. That. That was the famous sort of like that. It did like like the first big studio flop. But but I've heard subsequently that it was really wasn't that big of a flop. No, it's, well, it's kind of a masterpiece, man. I mean, you know, it it it, you know, so much of your experience is seeing the movies is how you're pitched, you know what your setup is when you go in. And if you get these, you know, they had such terrible reviews, you know? One review was if they shaved Michael Chumino's head, they would find 3 sixes. God, devil, devil movies. Oh my God. It was just terrible, you know, there there was such animosity between all the the suits and the reporters and everything, but it's it's a brilliant movie. I would check it out if I was you. I think you might date. It's a long sucker, you know. It's about four hours long. My wife, Sue just had a wonderful Photoshop. She was taking pictures all through it and Vilmos Zigmond. Cinematographer. Kind of took her under his wing and. Mentored her and there's this beautiful photo photographic exhibit that she's got in Livingston, Mt and we had the producer up and Joanne Carelli, and it was exciting. And you're you're a great photographer too, correct? Yes. My, I feel like I've seen some really, really cool wide angle black and white shots of, I want to say, Fisher King or do you do it on every single movie, just about every movie? Since star, man. OK, wow. And it's a, it's called a wide lux camera and it's a panning still camera. And yeah, if you go on my site, Jeff All right. Look at the photography. Yeah, OK, that's a good plug. But then you've got to wrap gift for everybody every single film you do. It's just the battery. Smart. Yeah. And it's putting those things together. You know, the editing is tough because he take, you know, roles and roles. Yeah. Have you ever had some scumbag studio executives say, hey, hey, hey, hey, we can't have you taken a bunch of photographs on set? No, no, no. And the thespo's, you know, us actors, you know, I know what it's like, you know, to have a any lens pointed at you that freaks you a little bit, you know? But, you know, they haven't gotten any complaints. And, you know, they'll give, I'll give them the camera and we'll, you know, jam a little bit, right? Yeah. This big, they're getting the pictures, too. I'm so excited you're here. This. Hey, Jeff. So let me ask you a question. I want to kind of get into it for a second. So I took a picture with you will remember our picture that I gaffed. Yeah. Our our prom pose pose was so good. Yeah. Yeah. At some point, yeah. You have to show that to the guy. I know. I gotta get that. I don't. Where is that photo? I don't know where that is. We took it. Yeah. I yeah. It's so good. And Jeff sitting on my knee and and and we were both doing press for something and we were in New York and and he said, you're playing my brother Beau's son. So I'm kind of like your uncle, your fake. Uncle and but but I wanted to ask you about Beau, who I adore and. Yeah yeah. And and by the way, he played my dad on Will and Grace and he played your dad on Will and Grace. Wow. I think he played my dad, too in a in a a thing called Thanksgiving Promise that his course. I I think I was in that too. I think you were too. I don't think we worked together, but I think both his sons were in it as well. Yes. Wow, he wait. He's played all over. So I have all of you. I'm your uncle. So, Uncle Jeff, so Uncle Jeff, Uncle Jeff, answer me this. So you, you and your brother Beau and your dad Lloyd starred in Sea Hunt together. And this is going to kind of say once again, not unlike our friend Jason here, you started at a young age working in TV. How old were you, Jeff, when you started doing that? The sea hunt? Ohh, it must have been eight or so. Wow. But I was. I was my first movie. I was six months old. Oh my God. And I heard you were a nightmare. Yeah. John Cromwell was shooting a movie and my parents were friends with him, and they needed a little baby in this shot. And Jane Greer was the actress. And so my mom said, oh, take my baby. But I was a rather happy little kid and I needed to cry. In the scene, so my mom said to Jane. Ohh just pinch him. And she did. And of course, no way. And now we cut over 35 years later and I'm working with Jane in a movie called Against All Odds, which is a remake of her great movie out of the past. Yeah, and I'm we have a scene together. I say, Jane, I can't get there. I'm having some. Problems achieving the emotion I need in this scene. Would you just please? Pinch me. Wasn't it? So they gave us a good choice. Do you have how, how, how is your, how is your trick for crying? Everybody's got a different, a different technique for crying on cameras yours. Do you, do you do yours, come easy to you. I don't think so, man. What do I do? I I look at a photo of my dad. Oht. Yeah. What do you do? I look at a photo of my dad. It's a lot you do, and that does it. No, no. Sorry. You finished this sentence. He looks at a photo of his dad coming home. That makes him cry because every time he hears tire squealing, it kind of triggers it, too. Gosh, it's always a challenge. How about you guys? What do you you know, Jason, I heard one time. I heard a really? When you were doing this is true story when you were doing this. Not. I'm not setting. You're doing, you're doing a scene on office Christmas party and everybody was cracking up in the conference room, right? And everybody was going crazy and they're all cracking up and you were the only one and you had to keep it together and you're not. And we'll, speck said, do you remember this? We talked about this about a year ago and he said, you, what are you? How are you not cracking up? Every is cracking up. And you said, I just imagine all of them dying in terrible things happening to me. I also, yeah, I also like, it was like, what a psycho. I do something similar to that. Would people get the giggle fits, you know? And all of your something. I the only way I can keep a straight face is by just convincing myself that they are destroying the movie with their childish, sophomoric humor. I get, like, real high and mighty and indignant internally. And that's what a blast. Yeah, just, I just. I just find disgust in that. Well, that's fine. I could be very funny for the other febos man. Yeah, for the other febos. Where do you go, Jeff? What's one of the what's one of the relationships that you? Cultivated on a on a shoot that you now that that ended up in a lifelong friendship like, is there. Well, you know our dream come true is doing Baker boys with Beau. Yeah. Can you imagine how much fun we had, man? I mean, yeah. You know, if if it was if it wasn't my brother. You know, you spend a lot of energy trying to figure out how do we create the illusion that we're brothers, right. Yeah. No, you didn't have to hand, you know mess with that. But I still I think about you everyday when I'm driving on Sunset Blvd. That incredible time. Yeah. It's all odds, right? I guess all with Jimmy Woods? Yeah, man, that car, that car chase is wasn't that it hasn't been beaten yet. That was an amazing thing. And that it was right by my parents house there in sunset. We had every all the traffic going east locked off right at rush hour and there are all these people going home to the beach and in the middle of the shop and they're going 90 miles an hour. You're in the middle of. Well now let's not go to the beach and they hang a you, you know, and get him the shot. Ohh, he was frightened. He couldn't shut down sunset through all those rich homes right now. Today. They never went up with it. You, you, Jeff, you did. There are a bunch of movies you did in a row that I I mean, first of all, I feel like you've had like so many different kind of phases, you know what I mean? Like you started, you did all these things early on and you, you made a lot of great movies and last picture show and then you did and then the 80s, you know, you did against all odds and a bunch of other, I mean, amazing star man and all these other great movies. And then in the 90s you did like a whole other, you had like, you keep on having these different phases and you made like, fearless, which I loved, which I thought was a really underrated. Louie that she's hard to watch. I can't watch that. Your performance of a guy who is faced death and then now his and now he's living his life with this fearlessness because of that experience that really spoke to me. It was really impactful to me. Your performance, really, I really got it. I really connected with that. And then that was actually after you had done Fisher King and in the same way I really connected with what that character went through in that. In that movie and your relationship with Robin? Incredible. And was it Terry Gilliam directed right? Yeah, man. Fisher king. Tell me a little bit about that. You're, you know, as you're mentioning these different movies, they start, they start to explode in my head, you know. Yeah. Fearless was Peter Weir, who was just incredible. Director's plane crash was just so well done that I just, I can't. I can only watch it the once because he literally puts you on a plane that's falling from the sky for minutes and minutes and minutes. Yeah, that whole movie was, you know, but each one, they're like little lifetimes, aren't they? You know? Each one is like a little incarnation, you know? And sometimes you get to work with the same people again. You mentioned Terry Gilliam. And he was just so wild to work with. And Robin, you know? Another kind of director wouldn't have allowed Robin to do the kind of stuff that he would do. But, you know, we'd be working, you know, 16 hour days and be 4:00 o'clock in the morning, everybody's dragging ***. And then Robin would get out and he would start to jam on all of the cast and crew, you know? It would go on and on and cut busting chops, you know, and other director, you know, would say, OK, OK, Robin, but Terry would say, yeah, but what about him, you know? Yeah, your money would go on for 1520 minutes. Ohh yeah, this is fun what we're doing and we have your energy to complete the day. But Terry and I are still close. We FaceTime all the time and catch up with each other. And then we did a weird movie. Probably the weirdest movie. I think I certainly the weirdest movie I've ever met. And I think it might be the weirdest movie Terry made called Tideland. Ohh wow, never heard of that. I played a junkie rock star and most of the movie I play a carcass. Just dead overdose. But it it's a very bizarre movie and again worth checking out with all the time that you've spent on sets and all of this, all of these sort of families that you've that you've met and built. And then said goodbye to right all these, these, these groups of crews and cats. How much and you and you're usually in a leadership position such that you can affect the harmony the ecosystem, the the the the whole situation there is that is that some is that an important thing to you? You seem like the kind of guy where it would be and that you would enjoy sort of setting a a a tone on the set so that we can all enjoy our work experience that you strike me as that kind of thing you hit. That's the most important thing. Yeah. I think I mean my dad, you know you. You mentioned, see how the, you know, working with him. I was eight, you know, you got a little kid and he would. Set me on his bed and teach me all the basics you know. You know, don't you don't just say you're like, listen to what I'm saying and then make that, you know, have something to do with the way you talk about. And I go out of the room, not come back and do it differently. You know, he would do all that stuff. But the main thing I learned from him was his joy at work and whenever he came on the set that was just contagious. And with Joanna, I got to work with him as an adult twice with Francis Coppola and Tucker and blown away. Yeah and that was such a gas, man to, you know do that advanced pretending with my dad, you know as an adult like we would jam. So we had such fun, man. Advanced pretending, yeah. Yeah. Ohh. But but you know that joy thing, you know it. It, you know, because it it makes you relax, right. And then all the the best stuff can come out of that relaxation and you feel safe and you know, it's, you know and we will be right back. 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Did you learn most of what you used today as an actor from watching your dad or did or did you, did you study strictly, you know, like I studied a little bit at burghoff in New York? Yeah, but I didn't really learn much there, mainly on the job training, you know, I mean, just. And then and Beau, you know, Beau. I don't know. This is a story I've told before. Maybe you guys haven't heard of telling again. If you're like, yeah, please. You know, one of the tough things as an actor is I, you know, where am I going to get an audience to practice my stuff, you know? Yeah. So Beau, he's about. In his early 20s, I'm about, you know, 1516 years old. And Jeff, I gotta tell you, it looked terrible. 15 for 15 yeah, 15 yeah, we're on the side. Text you after this interview. I didn't sleep well last night. Bono rented a flatbed truck and we would get some scenes together. We were working on some, you know, Holden Caulfield, you know what catcher in the rye scenes? You know in other scenes that he he worked because we were trying to get me an agent and so forth. We get this flatbed truck and we'd pull into a supermarket. And our father taught us how to do stage fighting. And so he would stage a fake fight up in the flatbed. No, no, I in the parking lot, you know, and we get, you know, but it would get our, you know, we'd act the **** out of it and the crowd would come around and we'd say, no, it's a show. And you jump up on the back of the flatbed and we do our scenes until the cops came. And then we would try to improv the cops into our scene, which really. It's the mob. No way. And then we say, OK, we're going, we're going and we get in the truck and go to the next supermarket, traveling at the supermarket circuit. Man, that's hysterical point. So so that that was all in and around Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah. And and and what made you want to. Go, you know, to the farm life in Montana. Well, I did the movie up here with Clint Eastwood called Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, and I fell in love with Montana. You know, God got me a Harley-Davidson, you know, rolled around on that because it's the opposite. It's the absolute polar opposite of have you been, have you guys been to Montana at all? I have, yeah. I don't think I have, no. But I I hear it's great, man. It is sweet. Yeah. And and then I made a movie called the Rancho Deluxe up here, and that's where I met my wife. Mm-hmm. And then. And that's. Yeah. And what was she doing on the film? She was. They used to do brain surgery in this old place. It's like a big it's a hot spring and stuff called Chico, Chico hot spring. And she was working her way through college as a waitress or maybe, I don't know, she did all kinds of stuff and I'm sitting in there, we're in the hot spring doing a scene with Sam Waterston and Harry Dean Stanton. Right? And Richard Bright, you know, we're looking there where I can't take my eyes off this gorgeous girl, man. She's got 2 black eyes and a broken nose and she's just gorgeous. I cannot take my eyes off her. And so I finally get the you know, the guts to ask her out. She says no, no. I say no. She goes, no, maybe small town, maybe I'll see you around. And I said, OK. And her prophecy proved true. And I think it was at the wrap party. I saw her and we danced and, you know, that was, you know, that was all through row. Now, this is again a story I've told many times. If you guys have heard it, try to act like you haven't heard, please. We love it. We'll do some advanced pretending. So, yeah, now we we go. Yeah. So now we. Cut 30 years later, we're married. We've got all these kids. And I met my desk open in my mail, and I opened this letter from the makeup man on that show, Rancho Deluxe, and he says, I'm going through my files and I found something that might interest you. You was two shots, two photographs of a local girl that you were asking about. So I have a photograph of the first words that I've ever spoke to my wife. Ohh. Wow. Saying, would you go out with me? And she said no. And wow. So, like, I have that picture now. Did he know? Did he know he was sending it to you? No, he had. No. You didn't marry my wife? No. No, he had no idea. What a valuable thing. Ohh, man. Yeah. That's my prized possession. Whenever, whenever I think we're not meant for each other. Any of that. How long you guys been married? Now going on 45. Wow. How many kids you said you got, a bunch of kids got? Yeah. How old are they now? Oh, they're like, you know, 403630 grandkids out of them yet. 3 grandkids. Bennett Barbacoa went to school with my middle girl, Jesse. She just had went. Yeah, she just had a a little baby Leon. And I've got Gracie and Ben. Do you? Do you? I would imagine I'm going to be a real goofy granddad. I'm going to be very excited to watch. You think you're gonna be less grouchy than you are now? Definitely. How many kids you got, Jeff? I have two daughters, 15 and 10, and they're. They're little angels and two daughters. That's. Yeah. So I got three girls. You got. Did any of your kids go into the business? You know, unlike my dad and my mom, who really encouraged me to go into it all? Yeah. I didn't do that. You know, I really dragged my feet about going into it, you know, I had so many other things to do that I wanted to do and I resisted, you know? But that's kind of my emo in life. I resist. Resist until I can't do that anymore and get sucked in. But, you know, I didn't give it to my kids like they I didn't present it to them early enough, but they've queued me, you know, and I could say, oh, you got this. You could do this, you know, and they said, no, I don't want to. Did you dissuade them at all from it? Because I know I do that with my girl. No, no, I didn't know. I wanted them to come from them, you know, because my parents, like I said, I was carried on at six months old. I mean, they were shoving it down my throat, man. Who wants to do what their parents want you to do, man? Yeah, I didn't want to do it. And other things to do, yeah, I I'm kind of the same. I have like I have three boys in in my my middle son. He's he's a really funny kid and but both his parents, his, my ex-wife and I are you know he were both in sort of comedic actors or comedians or whatever. And so we're like we're hesitant to actually like push him into it, but at the same time we kind of want to just leave it open to him and if that's what he wants to do, we're not. Actively dissuading him, putting that. And then there's the whole thing about competing with your dad or your brother. You know, I didn't want to get into that thing. You know exactly that. Well, that's weird, right? I mean, Jeff, I mean, think about it like, yeah, you're you're dad. Lloyd was a an actor for ever in your and huge star and your brother, too, man. I mean, that's that's an intense dynamic. It could be anyway, the competition there or or lack of it. It was it was it. I know I dealt with that. My sister as well, and we were always just very kind of open and upfront about. We took it as a positive like, well, you know, listen, we're, we're, we're, we've got extra things to talk about now at the dinner table. You know like that's that, that that's all it was. Was it, was it ever an issue with with you guys? I would imagine it was really, you know if you know, it's like being on the same team basically. And like you say, there's so much in common, so much great stuff that you can talk about. You know, that's not it's not always like that in families, but I just didn't want to. Yeah, when we did Baker boys, that was no competition. That was like, just the gas, man. It was fun and working with my dad. So I don't know, you know so much about what we worry about, does it? Fantasy doesn't happen, you know? I'm such a believer in that, too. All, all the worst things that ever happened to me never happened. Yeah. What did they do? That. That quote, you know, what's his name? Samuel Clemens. You know, what's his, you know? Is that what he said? You know, who's the guy? You know, I can't wait. This is something. I don't know if it's COVID or old. But my memory, man. Yeah. No, it's me too. You guys have had COVID or. No, no, you have added back case of it didn't. But even. But even before that, I I reached. I reached for something in my head, and it's just not there. Yeah, and then you try to. It's like trying to remember a dream. And the more you try to remember it, the further it slips away. And so now I just say **** it. I just it'll come back to me in 5 or 10 minutes. Forget who wrote Tom Sawyer. You know, Mark Twain. Thank you, man. Yeah. Mark Twain, son said something about that you when you were saying, well, you know, we worry about all this stuff. Yeah, all this ****. And it's all just so painful and it's all not it's unneeded. Chef. I'm glad we're talking about this now, because just to get real for a second, I I've been going through a thing lately and I don't know if it's because of the world around us or or what. And I've been kind of like bombed out. And I'm a by nature. These guys will attest to it by nature. Very optimistic person, joyful, joyful, and I wake up every day our, our, our dear friend Robert Downey said. A few times in the last couple of years, nobody wakes up in the morning happier to be themselves than than you, he said to me. And it's true, I'm very happy and joyful and I've been kind of bummed out, man. And I'm like, is it because I'm getting, I'm asking my uncle Jeff now, is it because I'm getting older? Am I going through, I don't know what's going on, but why am I? I have a sense of on we right now, but look at. Jeff, the most joyful guy we've had on the show, nobody. Maybe he's gone through phases, man. I go through phases, man. That emotional weather ****. Now I wake up in the morning, my, my mornings are terrible. So realizing, man. Oht. Every time I go ohh another day, really, I gotta do it all over again. I gotta do this. I do these little exercises that literally take only 5 minutes. You guys might want to check it out, especially if you got any back problems. Yeah, called foundation training and it's about 2-3 minutes. But it's painful and it's torturous and I say I got to do that. Hang on here. Anyway, I have a couple of cups of coffee and then I'm feeling good. But you know, I think, well, it's the weather, right? And then also. These obstacles, you know, the difficulty, the challenges are where we are now. Those are all opportunities just to figure it out. Yeah. And also opportunities for us to kind of, you know, Nash, our teeth a little bit like the older you get, I think the more, the more you become aware of things that are just not great. You know, you've just become smarter your, your radar becomes more acute and you can notice more things that could be better, you know? Yeah. And the thing that, you know your, your guys generation, what is it now? I mean, when I first heard this word I said, are you kidding me? The, you know, the great career now is I want to be an influencer, right? You know, that's that's and damn it, I want to be an influencer. I think that's. You know, and I guess we all are. You know, and in one sense, I talked about this thing that Bucky Fuller, you know, the geodesic Dome guy turned me on to trim tab and you know, he made this observation with the. Big ocean going tankers the challenge the engineers must have had with this. To make a rudder big enough to turn this ship, and it took too, too much energy to make that rudder turn to turn the ship. So they came up with a simple, brilliant plan of putting a little rudder on the big rudder. So the little rudder turns the big rudder and the big rudder turns the ship. And Bucky said, this is a perfect metaphor for how all of us individuals are connected to society and our culture. We're all trimmed. Perhaps you guys, what you're doing here on the show, you know, this is all a trim tab and we're influencing, we're saying, hey, guys, what about this check? So am I the am I the big runner or the smaller runner? I love that you're the small. You're the big runner and I'm turning you, Sean. I'm turning you. So listen, I will say you've been influencing all of us and a lot of folks for a long time with all these great, great roles. And and I, as will was saying earlier, I love the way that you have bounced between back and forth. Between leading man and character actor, just so effortlessly for so long, no one can do that. You tell me one leading man that can, you know, bite off a big, spicy, chewy character and not look like he's chewing up the scenery, you know, you just you got real chops, Jeff, and you always have. And, I mean, you know, a lot of that that came from my dad because I saw how much he struggled doing sea hunt. He, you know, got that character so down that people thought he was a skin diver, right. And they sent him a bunch of skin diving scrubs, you know? And yeah, he's a, you know, Shakespearean trained actor, you know, he he replaced. Let's see, here's a man I just forgot man of Lamancha Mark Twain. Anthony Quinn, who did The Who is the famous, you know, I am I don't know is that is that Anthony Quinn? Who is that? No, no, no. It's but but on Broadway, you know use any replaced him and I remember doing a, a movie blown away a movie I did with him and I said to the producer, hey, I got a guy. I got a guy who could play my uncle. He kind of looks like me. He's a good actor and he's the guy said who? I said Lloyd Bridges and he laughed and I said, why are you laughing? Says, well, your dad is a good actor, but he's more of a comedian, really. I said, what are you talking about? And it's because my dad did airplane right with that and so and so he was labeled for a while as a, you know, he just this comedy. So I went out of my way to mix it up, you know, and and do one 80s as many as times as I could earlier. I think that's really smart, man. I got a lot of I I did early on. People came to know me because of Arrested Development. I think that people thought like, and I played a lot of characters who were people used to say, oh, you play a lot of ********. And I said, no, I don't play ********. I play characters that are like that have a lot of issues and that are unhinged, but they're not. I never see them as ********. I always just see them as, you know, not connected to reality in some way or they've got something going on. And like this character we did arrested, he was like he had. His dad didn't love him, his mom didn't love him either. And then, you know, whatever. But I. But I think that you get into that as an actor. I feel like for a lot of time, people like, oh, you just kind of do this thing and you're like, yeah, it's not really since when, like, who gets to decide that that that's what I do now. You know, I love it. I love it when comedians play bad guys like, you know, remember Robin? But when he did those two or three movies back-to-back, replayed the bad one hour photo and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Albert Brooks played a bad guy. Dark sides, too, that you can tap into, right? Yeah. Sean, show them. Take your hat off. Sean. Sean, show your dark side. You see? That's like a murderer's hair. Wait, Jeff, are you still doing music? Do you still play? Do you still sing? Yeah. Yeah. You know, what I'm doing now is kind of fun. I'm going back into what I call my music mind and looking at, you know, bunch of stuff that I kind of didn't, you know, have too much faith. And then bringing those things out. I said, Ohh, I'd take this. This is pretty good. I'm jamming with my buddy T-bone, Burnette. Yeah, to mentor me a bit and say, you know, what do you think about all this stuff? Shall I just make these little albums for myself? Because what's it? You know, I don't know why, you know, I don't know. I don't know what to do with it, but I'm having fun with it. I love music. I like his wife too. Great. Yeah, really, really cool. If you could go back in time and and see one concert from a band that's either no longer together or artists that are no longer with us, what would it be? I know mine would be Led Zeppelin. Oh, wow. Yeah, I I was Speaking of The Beatles, you know, you see Ronnie Howard's that movie and they played that last Shea Stadium thing with a good sound. Yeah, that concert would have been great, but I bet the sound was so bad. But it wouldn't be that great, right? But do you remember a thing called Rock'n'roll Circus? Do you ever see that? Ohh, check that out. Google that rock'n'roll circus. That's something that The Rolling Stones. They hosted and it's just, you know, I think, who is on there? I think John Lennon formed a band for it. It's a pretty wild little like an early music festival. It's an early music festival. Yeah, but it was like a every. It was like a circus vibe all it was a sound stage. I think it was something like, wow, Sean, what would you go see from that's not no longer with us? Yeah, like maybe like the first. That's what you said. That's no longer with us. No longer with us or a band that's now defunct. Yeah. Well, I just gotta say Ronnie Hawkins, because Ronnie just bit the dust recently rocking and I don't know if you guys know him, but he. Yeah, quite a amazing cat. I would. I would like to go see one of his early shows with the Hawks who were, you know, they were, they became the band. I was. You know what, Jeff? I was going to say. I wish I could go and see that last waltz concert. That's what I would have. That would have been a good. Yeah, I probably would have checked out the carpenters. Is anybody still listening? Erupted. You show carpenters, man, she had a beautiful voice, didn't she? Yes. Are you being facetious or I'm being both? I'm being both. You're being both. See, that's that's real brilliant because because I was a huge fan. I was a massive fan. But you're also being a little bit cheeky. No, no, but I never really fan of the carpenters. I used to listen to them all the time. And Simon and Garfunkel. I would have listened to Simon and Garfunkel that I'd love to see that that that concert they did at Central Park. That would be fun to go. One of my favorite concerts I went to was a double bill with Paul. Assignment and Bob Dylan. Ohh man. Jesus. Wow. And Paul Simon comes out they they just kept you know who they switched who would open for the other guy and Paul Simon comes out and he opens with something like America. You know they let you know and and he's got two drummers violins horn section, you know and I said how is Bob gonna follow this man? And Bob comes out he's got you know a bass drum. A piano and a guitar, you know? Yeah. And what does he open with? Hello, darkness, my old friend. Right. You know, and again, Sean, you don't know if his tongue in his cheek or not, man, he's just perfect, right? Hello, darkness. That's that's my song, man. That had a Bob Dylan. Do you got a Bob Dylan T-shirt on, don't you? Yeah, look at that. Yeah. Ohh. I'm a total fan, man. Ohh. Wow. I got to work with him in another weird movie. That he wrote with Larry Charles. Do you know Larry Charles? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the movie? It's called masked and anonymous. When check it out, man, look. Look who's in it. Look who's in the thing. The cast that he's symbol. But it was Larry Charles and Bob Dylan wrote this over about three years. Dylan's The star of it and Larry was his first thing he directed, man. Wow. And it is a trip. Oh my. You gotta see that. What a cat. My, the the the albums I had on rotation I was a kid were I wrote him down. The carpenters the Eagles the Cosby, you know standby album album. George Carlin's comedy album and then and Simon and Garfunkel and and and Erasure unplugged everything I know. Every word to every song oh sorry. Fully plugged to raise your fully plugged. Did you get into them you nickels and many nickels in may? Of course, yeah. The doctor stuff. What was it? A little more gauze. You know, I, I once I once in the 90s went and saw in New York. I saw within six days of each other. I saw Dylan at The Supper Club. They were shooting something and there was like 250 people there. And somehow I forget how I got in. But I got to see. And then six days later I saw Jerry Garcia band and I saw them within six days. I saw them both play forever young. Which was really cool. Dylan and Jerry Garcia and. Yeah, yeah. And they played together for a while, too. Yeah, man, there was. We'll be right back. Hey listener, our support partner is named Athletic Greens. Now I take a G1 by athletic greens literally every day. Good God if you could see if you could see my body. I gave a G1A try. X years ago, because, well, I wanted better gut health. I wanted more energy. I wanted an optimized immune system. I hated taking pills, vitamin supplements. I wanted a supplement that actually tastes great. This is the best option for easy, optimal nutrition out there. 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And then they got the script and I said what this is like. You know so high school version of me that. You know what? You're, you know what? You know, you guys spying on me or something? Yeah. And so that's how that happened. And, well, how did they put. But but how did they, why did they? So they wrote it specifically for you and that character like that. What was their answer to that? Why did I'm sure you had said that. Why did you think of me for this part? What what had they seen? What did they thought? I don't know, man. And I said, you sure? You know, I'm I I. I can't. I have kind of a history of trying to get out of parts, you know? Yeah. Terry Gilliam, I said. Do you? Why do you want me for this? I don't feel like this guy. I remember. I mean, I pitched my other acting friends, you know, what about this guy? You know? And I probably did the same thing with those guys. I can't remember when I played just before it. But it was nothing like I had never played a part like that. Yeah. But do you remember, do you have a recollection, though, Jeff, of doing that movie? Like, when, when you're like, when it's like. You and and John Goodman and Touro and and Steve Buscemi and you're doing those scenes and you guys are all taking, you guys are all taking big swings with these, with these characters. Were you guys, were you guys going like, hey man, are we out on a limb over here or are we good? We had such a good time, man. And then when that movie came out, it wasn't and it didn't do well here. No, it had this hit Europe 1st and then it came splashing. Back and really kind of well after the fact, but nobody really got it, you know? Right. I auditioned for them for intolerable cruelty. Remember that? And I went in and and met with them and they were really cool, like, and the 20 minutes that I got to meet with him and they asked me, like, hey, do you get, do you get stoned at all? Do you smoke pot? And I was like. Like, a little, a little at the time. And they're like, OK, OK, good to know. Thank you. Thank you for coming in. And I was like, ohh, was that like, the was I supposed to say, like, all the time and then we could hang out? Would they probably want you to score some weed for them? Maybe that's. Why don't you hold there? Yeah. Yeah. Here's a weird thing, but I didn't. I was a pothead before I got sick. I can't smoke it. But, you know, I consider myself a pothead, but I and I'm kind of surprised that I didn't smoke one. Joint during that whole film. Oh, wow. No way. Yeah. No, I figured, no, I read those lines, you know, and that good writing that seems like improvisation, you know? But it's not. That's every man, every ****. It was just well placed. You didn't want to mess with that music, you know? I wonder how clay such a specific character, such a great version of that, of that writing that you performed. I wonder how close it was to the idea they had for the dude. I wonder. I well, they had a guy, you know? They had a Jeff Dowd, who was a guy that they kind of modeled the character after. And I, brother of Anne? No, I don't think so. It's a big world, Jason. Jesus Christ. ******* 7 billion people in the planet get wise, ************. Hey, you know, you know what, Jeff? You know what's funny? We had Sean Penn on the show last year at some point, and he talked about how he's good, isn't he? He's I love. Yeah, he's a good actor. He can do all this kind of. He's a man, but he's like you. He's like you, man. He makes, he makes. He's just like you. You guys are cut from the same cloth, man. And and and he was talking about doing Spicoli his character from fast times and then and then recently running into the guy that he always had in mind. We based it on. And the guy was with his kids and stuff, so he didn't say anything to the guy. He saw him, like, on the path to to go surfing in Malibu. And the dude was like, hey, man, he's like, oh, hey. And he's like, oh, this is the guy I modeled this burnout character on. And now he's with his wife and kids. So he's like, I'm not going to say anything. You ever see this? Must be the place a movie that he was in that based on the David Byrne song, you know the talking heads to? Yeah, of course David's in the movie too, but that's another good one, man. You have a burnout, you know, glam rocker or something? No, no, we have. We had David on the, on the podcast recently, actually. It was it was great. And he was talking heads now when they came out, man. Oh yeah, they replaced The Beatles for me. Really? And I remember I ran into David. It's some bar or something in New York and I this guy just, you know, I had a few drinks on it. Yeah. I just gush. I said, David, you music, man. I mean, it's so incredible. You know, he's just. No, man. I mean like The Beatles. You're better than The Beatles, man. And you just stood there and he just, there was no answer. And I finally just had to walk away. By the way I do that. I I'm very passionate about music, too, and I I do that a lot too. Musicians at corner them all the time. And like, what about his shows? What about that American utopia? Yeah. Here that's I saw that live. That's incredible. And the movie is great, too. And I and I also saw. Stop making sense to her at the Greek theater. Ohh, really took the green. You've seen that movie? Well, of course, yeah. And he shot that here on his stage. That movie and Demi man shot that. God, he knows where to put. I feel like you worked with Jonathan Demme, didn't you? No, I would love to have, but no. But he was wonderful. God, amazing. I want to know. So, so the place where you're at right now is a farm. Does it actually a farm? So we call it a ranch. A ranch. And do you actually do work? Around there, do you have the animals we had? You know, we had a bunch of, you know, cattle and horses and all stuff. We don't need more. You shot them. You just shot them all out. They're buried. Yeah, yeah. It was a slow Sunday. It's like, honey, we're going to do something fun. You know something I ask people that have had a ton of set experiences you have have you ever been drawn to direct to, to use all that you have absorbed and and put it all in that, in that role, that character? Yeah, a little bit because I've been digging your direction in Ozark. Man, I think, God, that must be fun, man. Oh God, you writes, it directs, it acts so brilliantly. You're very nice, but you're, you're, you're, you're the stuff you have absorbed and from the directors that you've worked with and you know, you know and I've had, I've had great luck with first time directors, you know. Yeah really incredible. Like I'm thinking of Baker boys. Steve Clovis, you know he must have been 24 when he wrote and directed that. No way. And I've had just great, great experiences with these guys. And you know, as an actor, you know you. If you create this loosey Goosey, you know, joyous feeling, you're all giving ideas. And so I get a lot of my wanting to direct out and just, you know, being on the team and say, hey, what about this? You know, what about that, that kind of thing. I think that you say you've had a lot of luck with, like, first time director and stuff, but I bet you, Jeff, I've, I bet you spent your life making your own luck. And I bet you're coming with a good attitude. And I bet you that is fostered. You know, I bet you all of those. First time directors are lucky to have had you making their stuff guy in their movie. **** yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the those first time, I mean, look at Orson Welles. We haven't done much better than Citizen Kane, man. Right. And it was all that stuff that he didn't know what he couldn't do. He just said, let's jam, you know? And who's the famous DP? Told Greg Toland. You know, he was the old master. And there was a story that Peter begged Donovich. He was a real, you know, scholar with movies. He told me a story because he was tight with Morrison, Wells and. You know, Orson said. You know, I can't really get, you know, the stage direction, you know that thing. And Toland said, oh, just come over on the weekend and we'll, you know, don't you love it with the masters when they don't put any kind of pretense and they're just. I'm one of you guys, you know. I love that, you know. And Toland, you know, said, you know, you're the guy I wanna do what you do. Your vision, you know. How old was he when he made that? Was he 24? In his 20s, I think something like that. And so wells. Was in there and and it was in the days when everybody wore suits and ties and **** you know, it worked. And he said, now with the Lightning I want to come like this, you know, to the gaffer and stuff and the gaffer goes up to says Mr Wells. You know, that's Mr really Mr Toland's job. And Greg Toland overheard that and he just made a big speech to the whole cast and crew. This is your director, you know, do what he says. He has a vision, you know, do whatever you want or, you know. Wow, gosh, what a movie that is. What a great movie. And I think, I think that what you were kind of saying like that idea that you have to have. I remember when some a guy telling me a long time ago acting teacher years ago, like art is ultimately absent of ego. Like you have to be totally willing and be totally open if you want to do something great and create something great, you got to get over your own whatever your **** is and let all that go and be open to the process, right? Yeah, this is this is one of the craziest things. I'm a huge sci-fi fan and my husband Scotty. Is to but you're not going to believe this. One of my favorite movies of all time is Tron, and he's wearing your shirt right now. Flynn, that's that's you. What are the odds, man? Tron? When I came back. With, with all the, the, the again, all the years that you've been doing this, has the audience that you have been acting for internally, has that changed? Are you conscious of who you're doing your performance for? Because like sometimes for and you, you guys will and should answer this too. Like, do you guys act for the cameraman? Do you act for the director? Do you act for the other actor that you're in the scene with? Do you act for the people that are eventually going to see this? Do you act for yourself when you're eventually going to watch it? Are you? Are you? Even aware of of that. Interesting. Yeah. I think, I mean, I think it's for myself and the director basically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, he, you know, I always like to really, you know, interesting question. Very rarely when I don't, you know, put the, you know, I'd like to empower the director to have power over me. You know, you do like, I like. I like that. And, you know, unless I'm getting, you know, some messages from the big director in the sky. I try to, you know, do what the director, you know. Because you can take me away from myself and my own. Yeah. So you'll let the director push you and pull you into places that maybe you weren't even planning on going in the scene and you're just putting trust in the editing room. They're going to weed out all the crap that sucks and all that stuff, you know, the editing. That's the thing. You know? One of my favorite directors to work with Beau did his first movie. I did. His last movie was Hal Ashby. Ohhh. Yeah. Who was an came from editing. You know, it's interesting where the directors come from, you know? Yeah. And editing, man. I mean, God, well, you must edit that. Yeah, I love that part of it. Yeah, that cause. So I'd like to give the director, you know, it's like photography. I like the bracket. My performances, you know, do too much, you know, one in the pocket, what I'm thinking, what he's thinking. And then do something, you know, on either side only for the front row because, you know, in the editing, you don't know what you're going to need because you always shoot out of sequence. You're right. But you that's putting a lot of trust in the editor and the director to make. Yeah, but you gotta do that, don't you think, man? If you if you're holding back, man. I mean, ****. Yeah, I just thought of a fun director story. You might get a kick out of that. So, Copeland Tucker or second week we are. First week was just kind of getting to know each other. And the second week he gets the cast and crew together and he says, all right, now this week we're going to shoot the whole movie on this little video camera of Victorio Storaro. He'll be using this little wheelchair. That'll be our Dolly. And you costume people, you know, look at those curtains. They would make good wedding dress. And you actors hit know your lines as best you can because we're only going to do each scene one time, and we're going to do it in sequence. It was kind of like, you know, the little Rascals, our gang, you know, let's make a movie. Come on, you know? And he's shooting this whole thing now. What we didn't know is to and from work, he's editing all of this stuff. And at the end of that week, he gives us each a cassette. Of the movies is now we've already done the movie, here's the movie and now we're just gonna Polish it up. And and then as we did the movie, he replaced those wow practice scenes with the real scenes. And even before that, he had a storyboard and he shot the storyboard like the movie, like, you know, two hours. So the movie was always in existence. Isn't that why? Yeah. So he got to do like a version of the movie, like the like the story. Board or previz with all the actors. Yeah. And and for an actor, because you're always shooting out a sequence. Yeah. To have that linear version of it that you could refer to. Yeah, that's really cool. It was really. Do you think he was doing it to help you guys out or do you was it to help himself? Because he, if you remember that movie that had all these low tech, it was quite advanced with all its technical, low tech kind of stuff that he specialized in. Yeah, you know, like the Dracula movie. Gary Oldman was so great that way, you know all that, and he's so Francis is well, he's doing that. He's in the kid mode, you know, we're just playing around. Come on now. You don't do this. And it was, you know, relaxed and fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a wild method. What a master he is. I think he's doing another movie right now. Is he? I think so, yeah. Yeah. In touch with him. What do you have coming up, Jeff, that you're excited about? Well, I've got this TV show called the old Man FX Hulu Thing, and we we started it years ago and then I got terribly sick and we stopped for two years and then we went back and finished the thing. You did go back and finish it. We went back and finished the season and it was like we had a long weekend and I had this. Weird dream, man. You seem. Yeah. How are you feeling? How you doing, man? You look great. I gotta. Yeah. You sure do. Very good. I'm feeling great. You know, those tough times, you know, it's like what you were saying well, about, you know, these tough times, man, these tough times. There are opportunities to teach us things that we can't learn without them, you know? And and let's, you know, let's do some trim tab and let's influence this as much as we can to make it. Make a beautiful movie, you know, make, you know, work together to make the cool thing, man. Yeah, dude, I love that. I love that analogy too. I like that idea that we're kind of like life is like you were saying. Like it's really cool what we get to do. If you really think about it. It's really cool what we get to do just to be alive and to have this is the big all of us. This is the big movie. That we get to do for sure. Every day they can movies is such a great metaphor for how we can make this a beautiful world. You know, you get all these people. They have all different political, you know, outlooks, and there are different personalities. Some are gloomy, you know, some actors only went to, you know, call me about my character. You know, there's all kinds of different versions, but everybody's trying to make a beautiful movie, you know, I love you. I love that. That's what. That's what the world ought to be doing. Right. Somehow all work together. All these all these specialists, you know, all these masters, they get together to pull this magic trick off one time. Magic trick. Yeah. Yeah. It's really so wild. I love it because I feel like, Jeff, that you're still in love with the magic of it. Not so much the details or the tech, you know, all all the technical. You you really, you live in in the magic. That's where it is for you. And I I get that sense from you, man, which I really love. It's the thing you can't. Explain or write down or diagram or if that paradox thing right, Sean? It's both right, Sean. It's like you're into the details and you're and then you're into the magic. I mean, it's all going on at the same time, man. It's a paradox, isn't it? You're always living in the present. Yeah, that's the gig. Kind of. That's what I try to do. So I will tell you this one of the other things. So I kind of, we've taken up too much of your time, but I wanted to point out that, you know, I already pointed out that you and Jason started and you're both child. Actors. But you and Jason also have had some voiceover experience in the in the world. And there was a time, Jeff, for many years, when the Hyundai Motor Company had a had a real solid voice. Oh yes, it had a guy who had a lot of gravitas that over. And then they decided that they wanted to do in my ***. Nobody here, right? They wanted to go light and I wasn't available. A little bit more economical, a little bit more sensible. Here's why it was, I think. You were nominated for an Oscar, and Hyundai had bought a bunch of ad time during the Oscars. And so they couldn't have you being the voice of one of the ads because it would, it would screw up the sort of unbiased, whatever it was. So some sort of legal thing. So I had to do one of those spots. Yeah. I think that's what it was. Yeah. Oh, I totally forgot about that, Willie. That's hilarious. Yeah. Well, listen, we're not. It's not professional grade. Nor is it sorry. Not sorry. You know, wills. Wills got some very big campaigns, Jeff. Well, I mean, you've got a wonderful voice. I, I've not, I've no jeopardise but I, you know what I mean? I'm not a voice. You've got some getting. I'm getting there. They're wonderful. I, I I'm working on my campaign. I put together. Should somebody murdering a cat? What's going on? I feel. Your voice. You remind me of a, you know, I'm thinking that this is kind of, I promoted a few of my weirder movies on this show, but another weird 1, the amateurs. And when you were doing that, voice changer reminded me of Joey pants. Do you know him? Yeah. And he was playing a character called some idiot, and he was. He had that voice, but not exactly Ted Danson. You guys worked with Ted? Any of you guys worked with Ted? Don't know. I've worked with them, but I do like, he's great. He's integrated. He's he's wonderful. Good. He's. Yeah. Jeff, I'll say this man, but I'm gonna let you. We're gonna let you go because you've been so generous with your time and kind. But you know, we're big fans. I think we speak for a lot of people. Always have been, man. And really, really love your energy and really love what you do and kind of like your co-star, John Goodman. I've said this to the boys before, you're you're you're in that same category for me of as John Goodman. You guys have never, never phoned it in, never turned into bad performance ever. No matter what. Your picture is you guys are always there, man. And and it is such an honor and a treat. And I just think you're the best uncle Jeff. And you give us all a good name, Uncle Jeff. Thank you, man. Great hanging with you guys. You too, buddy. Say hi to Bo, please. Yes, please. You are all of our dad. Lots of love. You too. Good to you later. Bye, Jeff. How do you know him well. Yeah, well, how you what? What? How do you my buddy? Jeff? You don't know Jeff Bridges? Yeah. What's going on, guys? Cool guys hang together, dude. No, I don't think so. Cool. You you hang with other cool people like chat room. Cool guys hang out in for guys who are handsome with good voices. We're in a special. Why? Haven't gotten an invitation? Jesus. Still waiting for my weird looking at mail every day. Somebody checked my bag. A weasel. What's going on? Yeah. What a. That dude just makes me feel he's the greatest. So when we were so in Sean, when when Sean and I were doing this show years ago, the Millers in in Bo was played my dad and on the show. And I went to New York and I ran into Jeff Ward during the Today show. And he was like, hey, man, I'm kind of like your uncle. And I was like, all right. And then we had to do these photos backstage. He's like, let's just **** around. And I was like, I love that he has that **** around in him, you know? He's just so easy going. Yeah. Just what he's just, he really got a great positive vibe and he wanted to and so we just started chatting and I just immediately was, you know, and I've always been a massive fan. I meant it. Like I I remember watching all of his movies and he just has this effect. But I remember being in my early 20s and seeing in quick succession seeing Fisher King, which I thought that character was so interesting. And I think about that character more than I probably should. His character who was this big DJ and he gets offered a a sitcom and he turns it down. Remember that thing? He's kind of like a shock jock, right? And he ends up his life gets turned upside down by this, by this insane Robin Williams character, you know? So there's that. And then and then he did that movie, fearless. I I just remember you're talking about the crash scene, but there was for me, wasn't the crash scene. It was the this idea seeing this metamorphosis again of a guy who has this event happened and he completely changes his outlook and he lets go. And I really, it really hit me. It was very profound to me. It really spoke to me, man. And I've just always and then of course Big Lebowski and everything, but there's, I've always felt connected to that dude. Yeah, he's just as a fan, good energy and it's he's been so consistent and genuine and sincere, it seems for years and years. Yeah, you hit it well when you said he no matter what movie he's in because we've all kind of been like, I don't know if this script is so great or or the script is amazing. Whatever it is, he doesn't. It doesn't matter. He goes. He does it 100% all the time, every single role. Here's the other thing. Don't you guys think it's weird that Scotty had on Jeff Bridges? Not reshirt, not really. I'm really because it could have just been like one of like 5 things. It could have been Star Trek, Star Wars, Tron, or just I love Chin Chin. Change gender. Crazy that he had the T-shirt on that from Tron and we're talking to Jeff Bridges. You guys, do you guys have a do you have a license plate holder that says follow me to coy, do you? I'm not. I'm not flirting. I'm just being coy. Listener koi is a fusion restaurant here on Restaurant Row. I love. I love Sean. Sean, what is it? It's a seafood restaurant, right? No, no. Long. John Silvers is a seafood restaurant. Japanese infusion. Japanese restaurant. The **** are you? Well, go there. In about 1/2 hour, you'll see me. But wait, also. So the so the ranch that he lived on, he said there's no more like cows or horses or anything. Yeah. Do you think there was ever once any bison? Smart. Glass. Smartlist is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Rob Armajaro V Bennett BBQ and Michael Grant Terry. Smart glass. Blood ties, the award-winning audio drama from Wandrey, returns for its third season, Strange Days, with another thrilling story about greed, power and deception. 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