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Every Tuesday on the IHAR Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, starting September 27th. My name is Alex Fumetto, and I host the new podcast More than a Movie, American Me, a film directed by and starring Edward James Almos. I'll be diving into the behind the scenes controversy, including an alleged backlash from the Mexican Mafia. Several people who worked on the movie have been murdered. I don't want to speak about it. Why would people be murdered for being in a movie? Listen to more than a movie, American Me, on the IHAR Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ah! Ah! Fuck. OK. Come on, Ty. You can go in there. Am I supposed to yell? Yeah. Yeah, give me. Oh, no. An A tonal scream is kind of the thing. Ah! Look, I don't know why we do this, but Sophie says this is critical for traffic. You know, this is entirely at Sophie's command. This is why she's following her orders. Yeah. You're welcome listeners. Yeah, she loves the A tonal grunting. She says it's the only reason people listen to this podcast. Yeah. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that is legally required to listen. If you have friends who aren't listening, call the FBI immediately and report them. Call CPS, you know. One way or the other, you have the state do violence to them for not listening to our show. We have to issue them a citation. Yeah, fuck them up with cops. So, Ty. Hello. How are you doing in part two? I'm doing great. I got a little Oreo brownie bite time. A lot of Google. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. I had a fistful of blueberries from my front garden. Oh my God. Ty. Ty. Okay. Hey, shady lady from the boss level podcast, your Twitch streamer, a YouTuber, a colleague of my nemesis and also the editor of our podcasts, Daniel. Daniel. Yes. Yes. One day I will destroy him. But today, why? He knows why, Sophie. Oh, yeah. Today, we're talking about Dr. William Sadler, his wife, Lena, and their career as pop psychologists slash eugenicists and now debunkers of automatic writing and mediumship phenomena. So they've they've pivoted as we hit part two. Now, we talk about automatic writing, right? That is basically somebody claims to have been taken over by some sort of entity that is not them, that is writing using their body, right? If you've ever seen six cents, they have the kid. I think it's the kid in six cents that does automatic writing. I think Bruce Willis, the therapist, tells him to just write and eventually your real words that you need to say are going to come out and then it's just all the ghosts angry, you know, and then the mom finds it and she's like, holy shit, what's wrong with my kid? That's actually how I write all of these podcasts. Oh, wow. Okay. Yes, all of these podcasts are automatically written by me channeling various ghosts. It's good shit. It's absolutely good shit. Behind the bastards ghosts. Written by ghosts. This one, oddly enough, written by the ghost of Joseph Stalin. Weird shit. Yeah. He's a lot more vulgar than I thought. Yeah. Well, that's that's J Stahl. Anyway, the most prominent proponent of automatic writing in the postwar era was Sir Oliver Lodge, a well known physicist and a pioneer in the science of radio waves. Lodge lost a son in Belgium in 1915 to a German artillery shell and then a younger brother to the flu in 1919. So he's kind of like the human embodiment of this like wave of grief that brings people to spiritualism in the postwar era. He also lost a brother in law in Belgium in 1914, but who gives a shit about brother in laws, right? Anyway, so much loss spurs him to explore life after death. In 1916, he writes a book about a series of contacts he claimed to have had with his dead son, Raymond. Lodge and his wife sat with several mediums who attempted to communicate with their boy through tactics like table tilting and automatic writing and they write up history.com notes. In his messages, Raymond offered a comforting vision of the great beyond, complete with flowers, trees, dogs, cats and birds. He repeatedly assured his parents that he was happy. He told them he'd reconnected with his great grandfather with his late grandfather, plus a brother and sister who died in infancy and made many new friends. He reported that soldiers who'd lost an arm and battle found it magically restored, although those who had been blown to pieces took a bit longer to become whole. And I do love the vision of like an afterlife that's perfect, but also if you get blown up, it takes a while to get unblown up. Like it's not that perfect. The afterlife, they're still like shit they got to deal with, right? You got to wait to get rebuilt if that happens to you. It's kind of cool. Dr. William Sattler hardly rejected the claims of supernatural experiences published by people like Lodge, but he would later claim in 1911 he was reached out to by a neighbor who was concerned that her husband would occasionally lapse into a deep sleep and breathe abnormally. She was unable to rouse him during these episodes. The doctor Sattler agreed to sit with the sleeping subject as he was known and take notes on what he did. At some point he began to speak, in one party who was present at the time recorded what occurred. Quote, the subject was moistening his lips. Perhaps we should ask a question, how are you feeling? To the great astonishment of everyone, the subject spoke, but the voice was peculiar, not his normal voice. The voice identified itself as a student visitor on an observation mission from another planet. This being apparently was conversing through the sleeping subject by some means, and this then became a common occurrence. So while he's like a debunker and going around and he's doing these big show debunkings with his friend, the magician, he starts talking with this visitor who claims to be like in the body of a guy who lives in his apartment building. And they start taking notes on what this being is saying. And again, the timeline is all fucked up here. The book that Sattler writes about this hasn't published until the 50s. Most sources will say that the first visitation, the first time he talks to this guy, will be like, he's channeling someone, happens in 1911. Some claim say 1906. This probably never happened at all. So it's again entirely academic. But Sattler later claims it starts in like 1911 or so. And his claim is that this person who's like being possessed in the night is being possessed by a student visitor, basically is an intern from these advanced spiritual beings who run like a galactic federation. So basically this like intern is hanging out and looking at earth and like talking through this sleeping man to our buddy, William Sattler. Starting in 1925, the sleepers switched from speaking with the voice of a visitor while passed out to doing automatic writing, producing voluminous handwritten documents with a filled with fantastic stories about this alien civilization. So again, Sattler claims this goes on for decades. There's no evidence whatsoever of this. The first writing that we have by Sattler on the matter was published in a 1929 book, The Mind at Mischief, which is mostly a debunking of mediums and psychics. In the appendix, he wrote about two cases he could not adequately explain, including this one. Quote, the other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify. I was brought in to contact with it in the summer of 1911 and I have had it under my observation more or less ever since. Following him present at probably 250 of the night sessions, many of which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes. A thorough study of this case has convinced me that it is not one of ordinary trance. This man is utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place, and unless told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been used as a sort of clearinghouse for the coming and going of alleged extraplanetary personalities. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive comparison, failed to show that the written or spoken messages of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary to his habits of thought, to the way in which he has been taught and to his entire philosophy. In fact, of much that we have secured, we have failed to find anything of its nature and existence. So basically, he's like, this guy is a normal boring ass Christian like me, and he's telling all these fantastic stories about aliens. Clearly that means they're real. It's just, the word you keep using is grift, and it's all I'm thinking is this guy, Sadler, has established himself as an expert on debunking spiritual psychic phenomena, except my friend over here. Who's legit? Yeah. And he claims 1911, because that puts it before the spirituals. The spirituals, some like craze bursts. There's no evidence of him claiming that this guy exists to other people until like the late 20s, and he doesn't publish anything about this until the 50s. So again, I think he's made up a lot of this. Obviously, at some point there is a larger group of people that he's reportedly going back to. We'll talk about that in a second. So who the sleeping subject was has never been made clear. Sadler and his followers would later claim he'd been, quote, a hard boiled businessman, member of the board of trade and stock exchange in order to make him seem more credible. It was one of Dr. Harvey Kellogg's sons. It was like his brother in law. Of course. It was a Kellogg. Keep it the family. Yeah. At any rate, this write up from the Rute Lidge text UFO Religions edited by Christopher Partridge tells the next part of the story. Later, two other people were admitted to witness the events, one of whom became the secretary. Together, the six people involved became known as the Contact Commission, although it was only ever the sleeping subject who was used as the actual contact. William Sadler's initial explanation for the event was that it was being generated by the mind of the individual. However, he had abandoned this initial diagnosis of automatic speaking after examining the sleeping subject under hypnosis. Similarly, further attempts to find another scientific answer failed. The sleeping subject was also viewed by Sadler as being in good health, and any notion of him suffering from any form of psychiatric ailment was refuted by Sadler. So again, we know that this is real because we hypnotized him and he didn't admit to having faked it. Right? Okay. Great. Solid. Bulletproof. Thank you, Dr. Sadler. So more detail on the Contact Commission comes from the book God Talk, which describes it as quote, a tightly interwoven incestuous family unit. So this contact commission, which is always described in these very business like terms in order to make it seem like, well, as a scientist, I immediately put together a commission of people who could analyze this. It's all Sadler's and Kellogg's, right? Like, it's all family. It's a bunch of his like, yeah. The stenographer is their adopted adult daughter. There's never any good reason given as to why Sadler found this example of automatic writing to be legitimate by ex, but it rejected all other mediums in their ilk. Some sources claim he continued to doubt that this person was real was really channeling anything up until 1936 and that it was his wife, Lena, who was the major impulse to keep having these conversations with aliens, and it's worth noting that there's only really two major differences between this case, which Sadler declared real and other automatic writing claims from the same period. Number one, the sources here are intergalactic alien governmental interns and not spirits or divine entities, which is a change. And number two, the claims they make are a repeat with specific scientific claims. So they're making specific scientific claims about space in the universe. Some of these claims are very wrong. They claim that the universe is 850 billion years old. It's not. I think it's like 50 billion, something like that. They make claims about like how planets form via accretion, which is also generally been debunked. Other claims are kind of weirdly close. They make a claim about the speed of light that isn't far off. How that already been established at that time? No, no, again, this is the fucking 20s and stuff that they're putting this out. Although the book isn't published until the 50s. So then again, like when some of this has been, it's a mix. But that is something that's different, right? Is there actually, they're actually making like sci fi claims here. Like it's like Star Trek techno babble stuff. It's nearly all bullshit. But the fact that they are putting out specific scientific claims in their automatic writing is really different. Because nearly all of this is just kind of spiritual in nature as opposed to, yeah. It just makes me think of like El Ron Hubbard and Scientology. I don't know, I have this kind of like full, I don't know if I want to call it a philosophy or whatever, but I'm very like involved in the tarot communities and the witchy, magical realm or whatever. And as soon as somebody tells me that they're the only person that has contact with the specific alien, I run. Directly. Yes. The only one that has access to this information and it's some mystical being that only talks to you. Okay, I'm out. I'm ahead of you. It's interesting. You see, they're doing here. They're trying to make it not seem like that by saying, well, there's a commission of people. But yeah. And eventually it's a few hundred, but none of them talk directly to the subject. So the subject will write up on shift shit and they'll present it to this big meeting of this forum of folks. And then people will write up questions or vote on questions to ask and they're just given another sheet the next week. But none of them get to see it get written. It's claimed to be this great mystery, how the writing gets to anyone. Like the pages just appear the next morning and they say like, we had people watching over him while he was sleeping and then they turned their back for a second and there were pages. You know, like it's never clear exactly where the pages come from, but obviously nobody ever sees them get written. So that's fine. Again, like spoilers, but it's probably Sadler who's writing it. I was going to say it's fine because Sadler says it's okay. He's an expert here. So yeah. And yeah, you can see shades of Helena Blavotsky here, right? Because she's and I think that that's probably who Sadler is aping because Blavotsky again kind of comes into prominence in the late 1800s as an anti spiritualist, like pushing a very different set of things so she doesn't believe that people are talking to the dead. They're talking to spirits and like these spirits are telling people stories of this vast epic spanning racial history, right? Blavotsky's got these ancient masters who are remnants of an underground super race who started civilization. Whereas you can kind of see what what Sadler's doing is a derivation of that, right? Because the people he's talking to are these like alien kind of spirits who are basically representatives of this galactic federation who are telling people or who are telling humans about like what's actually happening in the universe and Earth's place in it. The aliens who are controlling the subject's body and doing the automatic writing are called midwares. And yeah, they're giving out all this sci fi shit. So according to the revelations given by the subject to the contact commission, which are eventually bundled into a collection of writing called the Aarantia papers, the center of the universe is a perfect, well, the center of the multiverse because this is a multiverse thing too, right? There's a bunch of universes at the center of all the universe. So this is the backstory of Dr. Strange, okay? Yes, yes, very much so at the center of all of the universes is a perfect universe called Havana, which is created by God to be the eternal core of perfection. It's basically heaven, but heaven's got like millions of worlds and trillions of people. And it's like it's built to be perfect and it's always perfect. And then all of the other universes outside of it start out as chaotic and they're free and imperfect. And so people can choose good or evil. And each isn't like each of these universes outside of Havana isn't created by God. They're created by one of his sons. He has a shitload of kids like God is fucking blasting out babies in this in this in this cosmology. And so the goal of each of these universes is to gradually work towards perfection and become as perfect as Havana. In order to achieve this, God lays out an intricate interstellar bureaucracy between all the trillions of worlds and inhabited universes and ex worlds are grouped into this category. And then all of the different systems are this and then the different galaxies, yadda yadda the multiverse is a big bureaucracy. So the spirits go into detail about this but it is not interesting. As a general rule, the way things work is that life carriers seed each world with life and then different children of God guide each world towards perfection by sending light skinned blue eyed aliens named Adam and Eve down to upstep the natives by breeding with them. And less they seem too Aryan. I should note that Adam and Eve are also eight feet tall and have shimmering bodies. This sounds like Anunnaki, like that Anunnaki origin. That's where this comes from. Anunnaki, big and certain strains of QAnon and other kind of spiritual. This is again, this is in the 30s, right? So this is kind of precursor to all of that shit. Now, unfortunately, it also includes a lot of eugenics. Because again, the idea is that you have these life created on these planets and then Adam and Eve's are sent down, which is like Adam and Eve is a job, right? That certain perfect beings are given in order to upstep races. So they go in and they're supposed to interbreed with the natives enough that quote, inferior stocks will be eliminated and there will be one purified race, one language, and one religion according to gardeners summary of things. Now that's what's supposed to happen. But things go wrong on our world, which is known as Orantia, right? We're earth is Orantia. Now Orantia is unique among the planets in the cosmos because it develops life independently from the children of God and the life seeders or carriers. So the son of God who was supposed to manage up stepping life on earth is Lucifer. But he and his chief assistant, Satan, decide to rebel instead. They advocate for quote, self assertion and liberty for themselves and the people on Orantia. And this is a bad thing, right? This is framed as a bad thing. So Lucifer and Satan are two different entities. They're two different entities and they are, they are fucking shit up on our aren't you? All right. Yeah. I'm going to quote next from the book UFO religions. Adam and Eve, a son and daughter of the local system, arrived and began the difficult task of attempting to untangle the confused affairs of a planet retarded by rebellion and resting under the ban of spiritual isolation. According to the Orantia papers, Adam and Eve were too impatient with the mission and wanted immediate results. But the results thus secured proved most disastrous both to themselves and to their world. That is, they failed to adhere to the mission God set out for them. Now all that's a little confusing and parsing language from the book of Orantia into regular people talk can be a little difficult. So I'm going to read a summary from a write up in inverse to clarify what is supposed to have happened. Adam and Eve messed up so having failed to achieve race harmonization by the Adamic technique. Part two, the local universe section of the book tells us you must now work out your planetary problem of race improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control. In case there is any confusion as to what that means paper 51 of the Orantia book says the inferior and unfit are largely eliminated. It seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshipping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate and anti social stocks. Weird because like the Q&N and like the modern people are like new age, anti somatic. They're afraid of this. They're not like generally speaking, they're not, I mean, I don't know, but from what I've seen of it, they're not for this behavior. They're like trying to wake up the sheep all to the fact that this is what the conspiracy is behind the scenes, the deep state or whatever is actually doing. They are, although you might also note that at kind of the same time, they're really paranoid about, or it might also be worth noting that at the same time, they are talking about like a purging of certain types of people from the planet, right? That's always a major factor. I don't know. Interesting stuff. But yeah, that's, and it's also kind of worth noting that the term disfellowshipping, which is in the Arantia book, that's what it calls like the elimination of specific races, the biologic disfellowshipping, when you get kicked out of the seventh day Adventist church, that's called disfellowshipping, right? It's a very specific term that they use. The disfellowshipping, the ring, yeah, I'm familiar. So it's interesting, again, in terms of evidence that it's saddler who wrote this, these aliens write a lot like former seventh day Adventists. Yeah, it's really interesting to see how much of like this lore was built in the late 1800s to the early 1900s. Well, 1800s. And the echoes are still impacting us today in like the new age communities and stuff, like people are still echoing a lot of these beliefs as facts. And it's like these, this like little intricate, whatever the word, the phrase was, the incestuous family unit, or create all of this. And then still 100 years later, like it's still echoing throughout as fact. Yeah, it's awesome. And it's also cool that like, again, you can see these aliens, which are supposedly like enlightened galactic beings, write an awful lot like a former seventh day Adventist who's super into eugenics, like weirdly, they seem to be that kind. They seem a lot like Williams saddler. I was going to say they probably just clue them on saddler because they're like, hey, he gets us. Yeah, he gets us. Well, that's what, so they will later, the book that comes out of us will later claim that like saddler's whole life was manipulated by these aliens to prepare him for their revelations. So like that's why he became and then left the seventh day Adventist faith and got into eugenics as they were, they were guiding him to being ready to be like a vessel for this stuff. But you know who else is a vessel for eugenics? Not me, but who? The products and services that support this podcast. Sophie and I are entirely sponsored by big eugenics, so I would like to be excluded from this narrative. What is happening? That's too bad. Sophie, I refuse to disfellowship you. You know, part of me is like, oh, but then you just accused me of eugenics. So no, just of being sponsored by eugenics. No, I'm good. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. Sophie. 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Incredible. Didn't even have those tracks. That's very big brain. Yeah. Well, he didn't assume anyone would ever have like find and replace in a, in a, in a, so yeah, it's cool. The whole thing is basically a mix of his like Adventist beliefs, his eugenicist beliefs and like pop psychology of the day. Sandwich between like weird pseudo Christian and like alien stuff. I'm going to quote from inverse again, starting around 500,000 years ago, six colored races appeared on Arantia, red orange yellow, green, blue, and indigo. The earlier races are somewhat superior to the later again, because they're close to Adam and Eve. The red man stands far above the indigo or black race says paper 51 of the Arantia book and each succeeding evolutionary manifestation of a distinct group of mortals represents variation at the expense of the original endowment. Furthermore, the yellow race usually enslaves the green, while the blue man, which corresponds to Caucasians, subdues the indigo or black. So the Arantia book does not limit its racism to oblique references. Uh, quote, in fact, per text evil in the form of illness and disease exists because unfit peoples like Australian natives and the Bushmen and pigmies of Africa, these miserable remnants of the non social peoples of ancient times haven't been eliminated. Eugenics is the way to correct this error. So that's the Arantia book saying that like basically indigenous people and Africans need to be eliminated. They were supposed to be eliminated by Satan and Lucifer, but in their rebellion, Satan and Lucifer and Adam and Eve didn't, didn't do this. So we have, so we have to now, right? That's what Eugenics is necessary because earth isn't following interstellar law. But maybe it shouldn't. Like I'm sitting here thinking about it. Maybe Satan and Lucifer are right. Yeah. So the indigenous people of like Australia and Africa and wherever else were like living in harmony with nature. And as soon as it's like colonized, we start over producing things and, you know, destroying the land and everything. So it sounds like these aliens are probably a pretty bad influence on earth. It's yeah, it sounds like Satan and Lucifer may have may have had things right. Maybe. Maybe. And then the colonial kings, Satan, the devil and his friends, Satan, which is cool. I do also like that in this cosmology, Jesus, who also exists and as a son of God is a brother of Lucifer, which is fun. And then like, Satan's just like a guy that Lucifer works with. But yeah, Satan and Lucifer, again, pretty, pretty based. So the book goes on to note, biologic renovation of the racial stocks, the selective elimination of inferior human strains will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities. So basically all of our social inequality is caused by the fact that we haven't genocide it enough people. Okay. That's a, all right. We got to, honestly, it's a strong backing for a crazy sci fi novel where the main character is trying to overthrow all of this shit. It would be right. You can actually make a pretty cool story about this where you find out that like there's this giant intergalactic government, but they're all basically Nazis and the devil's real, but he's a good guy who didn't want to wipe out like, yeah. Anyway, it's, it's, it's cool stuff. Now, I should also note here, Ty, that Jesus is just a huge part of the Arantia book. There's a whole chunk of it called the Jesus papers. Now Jesus is a son of God, right? But he's not the son of God because again, God in this is like, he's like Elon Musk's dad, right? He's just like, fucking shh. My perfect answer every way. Yeah, he is, he is spewing children over the multiverse to be specific. Jesus is one of 700,000 creator sons that God ejaculated out into the universe. So like, he's not very special. No, he's not special at all. No, 700,000 kids. You wouldn't even remember their vulgar birthdays. Um, you have thousands of kids dying. It wouldn't mean shit to you. So as best as I can tell, Jesus in this book is a wise alien who came to earth to correct the errors that Satan and Lucifer introduced, those errors being don't genocide and did you know people in black people? So Jesus is kind of a Nazi in this. Um, and he also has a pretty different backstory. And to give that backstory, I'm going to quote again from the book God talk by our buddy, the Gooch. Quote, the final section containing the Jesus papers, the most accessible part of the book, gives a day by day account of all incidents left out of the New Testament concerning Jesus Christ. We learned that when Jesus was 14, his father died from a derrick collapsing on him. That Jesus visited a university in Athens where he thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato. That he toured much of the Roman world with two natives of India, gonad and Ganad, that his body in the tomb was speeded forward to complete disintegration while he appeared again in what was actually a reconstituted spiritual body. Along the way, a few Christian theological, a few key Christian theological doctrines are handily abandoned. The fall of man, the virgin birth, atonement, bodily resurrection. One problem in understanding the book comes with its dizzying roll call of other worldly officials go between functionaries, angels, near deities, spirits, bodies, planets, galaxies, stars, transport vehicles, and communication devices somehow linking together the various worlds separated by time, space, and moral distance in an updated version of the medieval chain of being. To complicate matters, this cast of characters in Locals are often given neologisms for their names and titles, the terms derived from a strange etymology that results in a kind of Indo European new speak. Calagastia, Orantia, Nebadan, Orovantin, Morantia, each of the papers has its own presenter, identified by such theatrical names as Brilliant Eveningstar, Mighty Messenger, Vorondatex Sun, or Malavatiya Melachiznek. The effect is of an exotically guistic tissue laid over a nuts and bolts grid, and it's all like, it's kind of unreadable. You have to kind of read translations of it from other people because if you're not reading from page one, like all of these different names and aliens, it's just fucking nonsense. That's what we're not doing a ton of different quotes from it, but... This is a very poorly applied creative writing talent. Yes. Yes. This is somebody who should have been like Elrann Hubbard, submitting short stories to shitting sci fi magazines. But instead, and this is going on for like 20 something years. They're submitting... You've got this forum and you've got this commission who are like submitting questions to the Mighty Melachiznek or whatever the f... Melchizetic or something. All these fucking ridiculous space aliens who are like coming back with answers and they're gradually building this collection of papers. And yeah, if what Sadler and his followers say happened can be trusted, which it can't. What's going on is that they're sleeping source or right shit. The council will come back with more questions. And these will get like... And it's never exactly clear how the answers get written out or how the questions get delivered to the aliens. They're very coy about the process. But in 1923, the Sadlers and the Kellogg's established a forum to discuss the papers and propose better questions. I'm going to quote from the book UFO Religions Again Here. In late 1925, the forum became a closed group with members signing a pledge of secrecy. The pledge read as follows. We acknowledge our pledge of secrecy, renewing our promise not to discuss the Arantia revelations or their subject matter with anyone safe active forum members. And to take no notes of such matter as is read or discussed at the public sessions or make copies or notes of what we personally read. The forum held its last meeting in 1942. The Arantia book was published in 1955. And shortly after the publication of the Arantia book, a final message from the midwares was received by the contact commission. You are now on your own. After nearly 50 years, the connection between the mortals of our planet and the unseen midwares commission was severed and went dead. So that's the story of how the papers get transmitted, right? Can you make any questions? It's all that it's all taking place throughout his lifetime. And it's wrapping up when he's reaching older age. He's getting old is when it wraps up. Yeah. And yeah, the forum eventually has like, there's about 400 people involved in this overall thing. Well, the contact commission is again five or six people and they're all saddlers and Kellogg's. For years, the forum members were the only people who were allowed to read the papers. They had like a library that was operated by one of Kellogg's sons, who is also the guy that people believe is the person being channeled. And people could like check out papers, but they couldn't take them away from the premises. So that's the only way people are reading this for like 30 years, 20 or 30 years. Williams wife, Lena was adamant that the papers had to be published though. So she's a big advocate of like, we have to put these together in a book and distribute them to the masses. So she starts collecting money to fund the printing and has raised $20,000 when she dies in 1939. When Lena falls out of the picture, the forum falls to infighting. It seems like she was kind of the primary thing keeping this organized. And after that, there start to be big personality conflicts. The chief instigator is an author named Harold Sherman. He's a sci fi writer whose 1976 book The Green Man is the origin for the phrase little green men from Mars. It's that guy. So he kind of goes to war with Dr. Sattler over control of the papers. And in 1942, he alleges that Sattler has been tampering with the original transcripts by the midwares and altering things. Getting called out. Yeah, yeah. There's like a weird, weird little, weird little fight within the cult. And I'm going to quote again from God talk. Sherman then exchanged a series of disgruntled letters with another dissolution to former associate of Sadler's, former associate of Sadler's Harry Jacob loose a Chicago police officer and self proclaimed psychic who felt that something snapped in Dr. Sattler at his wife's death. He characterized Sattler is a power mad Sven Gali. The truth is that Sattler is mentally unsound. Bruce wrote to Sherman a paranoia with a religio power complex feverishly grasping for greater jurisdiction over the mentalities of the mini. Oh, that Dr. Lena had lived. How different developments would have been today. Sadler has the usual evidence of long tat latent and those of later years aroused mental sadism, which is just as definite and fully recognized a condition as physical sadism. So that's what people who are in this forum claim. Right. Again, none of these papers are out for other people. Because it's purely just like a fight between these weirdos. The girls are fighting. Oh no. Whatever is the truth of this like conflict within the forum, Sadler wins. And after 12 years of editing from like 1942, which is the last transmission to 1955, they're just editing the papers together. He manages to raise the last $80,000 needed to print a first edition of the Orantia book. On October 12, 1955, it is published by the R.R. Donnelly and Suns Company in Indianapolis. An organization, the Orantia Foundation had been established to distribute the book. They mailed off copies to cultural leaders. They thought might be sympathetic Edward R. Murrow. Aldois Huxley and Elano Roosevelt all received copies. Nobody read it. It's like interesting. No, don't worry. No, no, no, no. Look, you get a 2000 page book called the Orantia book about space aliens in the mail. I mean, I actually would read that. I know it's like, is it bad that I kind of want to copy? I'm just morbidly curious. It is available. Here's one of the fun things. It is available for free online. The Orantia Foundation tried to keep a copyright, but somebody put it up digitally back in like the 90s and then there was a lawsuit over it. And the people who were putting it up online argued successfully in court that like, hey, they're claiming this was written by aliens. So they can't have a copyright for it. Yeah, this is like, oh my god. They didn't write this. This isn't their copyright. Yeah, this isn't their book. It's written by aliens. Why do they have a copy? Which is awesome. That fucking rules. It's my favorite part of this story that like they successfully argue in court. Look, man, if aliens wrote this shit, they can't be the ones who hold the copyright. Dr. Sadler actually survived 14 years after the book's publication. This guy lives for fucking ever. Yeah. He lives long enough to see his son and grandson die, to see Kellogg's turn into a sugary breakfast cereal that makes people come probably. I assume if I understand Dr. Kellogg's science properly. And yeah, he ends to see like his publishing career fall apart, you know, people stop accepting his books. But he seems to be good at the end. His last words are the world is very, this world is very real, but the next one is much more real, which is in line with the philosophy outlined in the Arantia book, which we're not going to get into in detail because it's silly. What matters is that Dr. Sadler dies right on the cusp of the age that was turned his book into an underground hit. Yeah. 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Because again, the New Age types here, they're not willing to go that far out of the boxes they'd been raised in. So if you're both talking about like aliens and Eastern religion, but also you're throwing Jesus in there, that's going to appeal to an awful lot of hippies, right? The same year Dr. Sadler dies, a young man named Mo Seagull is living in Boulder, Colorado, and serving Asian herbal tea to customers in a small shop that he had started. His business was completely novel to Americans and to Westerners in general. All mass market tea in the United States and Great Britain at this point was made from the actual tea plant, Camillea Sinesis, and thus packaged, packed a heavy wallop of caffeine, right? Tea is actually tea at that point. Herbal tea is not tea and that it does not contain the tea plant, right? It's made up of basically any other plant, right? But you can't buy herbal tea at that point. Obviously indigenous people had a number of different herbal teas. The concept has existed, but nobody sells it. You can't go to a store and purchase an herbal tea in 1969. Mo Seagull is the first guy who starts this as a business. So herbal tea obviously is an ancient concept from a capitalist point of view it's entirely new. The same year that Mo starts his business, he happens across a copy of the Orantia book in a shop near his house. He later wrote, quote, I thought it was just the goofiest thing I'd ever read. After I read it, I was not concerned about who had written it or how it had been written because it was so powerful. So he like starts reading this is just like, wow look at this fucking ridiculous thing. And then becomes deeply piled, I guess you say, over the course of reading and do it. So he's just kind of been selling a handful of teas at a tiny shop, but he after reading this book gets convinced that he needs to do something bigger. So he takes a group of his friends who are all big fans of the Orantia book and they start hiking in the Rockies and picking dozens of pounds of herbal tea at a time and mixing them together into hand sewn bags and selling them initially at local stores and then all across Colorado. The business takes off very quickly and Mo claims that his desire to expand at nationwide is fueled by his interest in the Orantia book. Quote, after studying the teachings in the Orantia book, I knew that I would feel selfish and wasteful to simply focus on material success. So as a young man, when I began thinking about what I could do to make a living, I immediately turned to the health food industry. So that's what leads Mo and his fellow flower children to turn their tea company into a real business. In honor of the celestial beings who had dictated the book they held so dear, they named it celestial seasonings. Now you'll hear a couple of different claims. They also say it's the name of like based on the flower name of one of the people who founded it, but there's debate about this. In short order, though, their sleepy time tea has become the number one best selling tea in the United States. And as today, the number one best selling specialty tea of all time worldwide. Each bag includes an inspirational message written on the tag, which initially were direct quotes from the Orantia book. For whatever reason, they tended to avoid the verses about eugenics and racial inferiority. Yeah, of course. At present, celestial seasonings is the number one tea manufacturer in the United States. Its products makes more than $100 million a year. Mo continued to lead the company from 1969 up through a merger with Kraft, a corporate buyback and its eventual acquisition by the Hain Celestial Group. Along the way, Mo never forgot his roots, by which I mean, Dr. Sadler's Space Genocide book. From a write up Seagull made on the Orantia Book Fellowship website, quote, and this is the founder of celestial seasonings. Illness and disease result from evil and cause suffering. Unfortunately, several factors hinder progress towards the development of the disease free world. The laws of genetics are immutable and form the physical cornerstone of evolution. The present time mankind loses about as much progress as it makes by ignoring eugenics. Implying that we need to do eugenics. Yeah, yeah, we gotta be doing more eugenics because we can't get rid of disease. The goal of the human race is to get rid of disease, which is why a Mo is a big advocate of natural foods, right? Natural foods are healthier. They keep you from getting disease, but we can't eliminate disease until we eliminate certain kinds of people. That's insane. Yeah, we have to stop people who are differently able to whatever from breeding and we have to stop certain races from breeding in order to stop disease. That's the founder of sleepy time, T. And that's like the problem with people that are like dipping their toes into the new age movement right now is they'll immediately be introduced to some of these concepts that on the surface don't seem like they're founded in eugenics and shit like that. But once you just start like peeling the layer back, it's right there and it's unavoidable. And then you're like, what do I do? I'm like, yeah, it's very funny. It's not funny. You can't say. It's such a good time. If you go to bed, sip in a sleepy time, T, you can think, you know, if you're, if you use a wheelchair, if your vision isn't perfect, if you're not a white Nordic, for example, if you're one of the dreaded alpine race, the guy who went into the team, you sit before bed, doesn't want your round head to be breeding. So that's cool. Probably wouldn't have guessed that when you woke up this morning. No, it's a review. It apparently heard this guy. I, so I do, I do like a podcast called Celestial Cafe actually, but it's with a couple of my friends. Oh, awesome. We deep dive into like witchy, you know, tarot, like a cult stuff and we, we start every episode talking about what drinks we're drinking. So we all frequently are drinking teas and things like that. And Celestial seasonings has been a topic of conversation amongst the four of us because it's literally one step back into the direction of that appealing back to layer. And we're like, hold up now. Like, wait a second. And that's why all of the teas on my shelf, I stopped buying Celestial seasonings after that. Aw, well, good. It is tasty. But yeah, it's big. It's delicious. It's delicious. It's delicious. It's delicious. You might be willing to, you might be able to keep buying it after this. So we'll talk about that a little at the end. So I will say to, I guess his credit, Mo never tried to hide the importance of the Arantia book to Sleepy Time T or its influence in his life. Nor did he try to hide the fact that he was a eugenicist. Like he's, he's not, coy about this. He's not ashamed. He's proud. Nobody really notices until 2015, which is really weird, but that's not on Mo. He's very open about this. He authors several texts explaining the Arantia book and boiling down its teachings. And he repeatedly credits the book with providing the moral compass that he and his co workers started their company on. I had wanted bold. I found bold. I wanted spiritual adventure and I was on the right of my life. I was searching for truth and the book was loaded with it. And there's no doubt that one of the truth's animating celestial seasonings and most seagull was the need to purge a large amount of the human population through control. Breeding. And I'm going to quote now from a write up by Megan Giller. And Megan Giller is the reason why people know this story. She writes an article for a now defunct website in 2015, which is then republished more recently by inverse. It's Megan Giller who actually again, this was all out there for people to find Megan is the first person. She's like a food journalist who like realizes like, why isn't anyone talking about this? This is nuts. What the fuck? So credit to Megan. Let's go Megan. Money like broke this. Quote, the fellowship is putting its money where its mouth is to in a 2010 email sent to readers with advanced information and forward looking perspectives that are not suited for being posted on the website, a follower named Martin Greenhut writes that the trustees have continued being the panel on eugenics. He names all of the panel members, the most striking of which is Kermit Anderson, who at the time was the genetic screening program director at Kaiser Permanente in California and the author of much genetics research. So again, members of the Arantia Foundation like people who are inspired by this book about alien eugenics are like in 2010 include people who are doing genetic screening at Kaiser Permanente directing programs and they're like convening fucking panels. And God knows like some amount of sleepy time team money is funding this because most eagle is the president of the Arantia Foundation for a large chunk of the time that he is running celestial seasonings. You know, like they are not entirely separate. So there is a period at which celestial seasonings is to some extent aiding and funding the fucking Arantia Foundation directly or indirectly that's a little unclear. It's not like the company is directly handing money to them, but anyway, or at least we don't know that they were now I should note for the purposes of accuracy and not getting sued most seagull is no longer directly involved with celestial seasonings. He's still on the board for the Arantia Foundation. He retires from the company in 2002. His co founder and fellow Arantian John Hay Quentin 1985 because he was offended by seagull's desire to become like Coca Cola in the words of one colleague. And in 2000 seagull sells the company to Hayne's celestial group whose name is actually a coincidence it seems. Hayne is basically the company that invents the natural health food as a product category and that's who runs it now. There's a couple of shady things about Hayne. Really speaking, they seem to be in a better company than most within sort of the food industry. They have a great rating from how good in terms of social and environmental impact. There have been a couple of scandals, none of which are super related to the Arantia Foundation stuff. So it's worth up until like 2002 you might view kind of celestial seasonings as sort of like the eugenics version of Chick Follay. Now, probably not like it's unclear. Obviously, I suspect that fucking seagull who's still around has stock in the company. And so probably because he's a big funder of the fucking foundation, you could argue that some amount of the money that celestial seasonings makes could go to the foundation. Yeah. But there's not a direct connection anymore. They're pretty much corporate. And obviously, I don't think Hayne's celestial group is funding the Arantia Foundation or anything like that. So you are probably safe buying sleepy time tea today. But this is where it comes from. And it's again, like all I'm thinking about listening to these stories is these companies were able to be so loved, I guess, by the people at the time, like back in the early 1900s, mid 1900s, that they are now titans in our food industry. It Kellogg's is still a titan here and it could never have grown that large if it weren't so widely supported in the beginning. And when they were a lot more overt with their eugenicist beliefs and stuff, that means that it was also a reflection of society, like much more deeply at the time. And it's just really disheartening. Yeah, it's interesting because like I think it got kind of, I think most people who would have been aware of this to some extent, the Arantia book would have just been like, oh, it's a weird book about space aliens. And then kind of that's it. I think it probably was not noticed by most people that like there's genocide shit in here. Yeah. And again, I don't, I should honestly to be entirely honest, if you are a sleepy time tea consumer, I don't believe any of your money is going to help this anymore. Nobody really cares about the Arantia book. They are not certainly not doing what Chick Follay is doing, right? Which is actively contributing to direct harm. This is more just like, in that weird, your favorite tea comes from eugenics. Wacky, huh? It does just make it have a sour taste to me. I'm just like, there's so many other like indie TV companies I could be supporting or like smaller sure, sure. And that's that's perfectly reasonable. I don't want to do like people have so many, find so many reasons these days to be like, oh, another thing I love is like fucked up. Yeah. There's a fucked up history here. It's fine, right? Like you're not, if you have, you don't go, you don't have to go throwing out your sleepy time tea. If it helps you go to sleep, you are, it is not aiding it a betting eugenics at this point to consume sleepy time tea. I just, I think it's a fun story, right? Like it is, it is kind of like fucking wild, right? That this is just like, well, it also makes you wonder how many other, just things in your cabinet have weird fucking back stories that you've never dug into. Yeah. Exactly. Like that's, that's it. One of those, I read this great article by Megan, oh gosh, what's her, Megan Giller, who again gets the credit for breaking the part of the story that it's connected to celestial seasonings. And I wanted to do that story, but there's not really a lot to say. Most seagull definitely sucks. He's like an example of the kind of hippie we don't talk about enough, which is like hippies that are super racist and bigoted and like believe terrible things about the world, which he does because he writes about eugenics and that's fucked up. But at the end of the day, he made like herbal tea popular, which is not terrible. And I don't think I can't really see, I don't know, there probably is someone were to do more research like the fact that that fucking Kaiser Permanente director of genetic research is an Arantian and in part of their eugenics commission that someone should look into that more. That does deserve investigation. Maybe there's a word story here, but as I looked into it, I came to be like, oh, the story here is about Dr. William Sadler, this like piece of shit trend following eugenicist. And like it's just, it's interesting to me how this all came together. So there's another piece of like good old fashioned American occult history for you. Beautiful. Delicious too. No, no, no, no, no, I hope you all found it delicious. Slurp it on up. Lock it down. Look it. Look at good. We're getting teabags by the Arantian tea bag. Tea bagget. Get. Yeah, as we always say at the end of episodes, get tea bag. Sophie, are we still sponsored by the concept of getting tea bagged? No, we're not. No, we're not being sponsored. Okay. So I didn't have sponsorship that would never die though. You'd always be. Yeah, no big, big tea bagging is huge. Well, in any case, testicles. And Ty, do you have anything you want to plug at the end here? Come check us out over on Boss Level Podcast. We're interviewing a lot of fun people. I believe we've been a guy to have a wonderful conversation with Sophie over there a week or two ago. Is that right? Am I wrong? I don't know. Donald just designs me things. That's awful. Okay. Oh, but yeah, we interview a lot of great people in the broadcasting gaming streaming industry and chat about how you can be your own boss, how to become boss level. It's very empowering, very, very girl boss gas like Kate, like Helena Blavatsky. I'm just kidding. Oh. Helena Blavatsky, we stand a queen. All right. Well, check out Ty and send death threats to her partner, Donald, on my behalf. We'll take him down together. I don't do that. Sophie, we've lived under his thumb long enough. It's time to be free. I can't. Donald's perfect. True. I remember saying a perfect monster. Yeah, but have you seen his puppy? It balances out. I have seen a good, his puppy's pretty good. But what if, I mean, have you considered asking the aliens that run? 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