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There's no getting around it. It's this is absolutely. This is a podcast where a man in an animal onesie depresses me over zoom. A man in an animal onesie who also bragged about eating fresh grapes during our little break. I kind of liked that on it. Yeah, **** yeah. And I watch The Golden Girls, Jamie. It'll catch you up. Oh, wait, what do you say? That I do know what did is now? Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's good. That's good. Golden girls. You know, people say they learn nothing from golden girls except, you know, amazing sex tips. I learned a lot about golden girls. From girls you did. What's the biggest lesson you would say you learned from The Golden Girls, Robert? Is it always your grapes on your Lenovo? Somebody. And you need to get rid of the body. You don't want to use a normal hacksaw, right? You want to use like ideally like a reciprocating saw of some sort. And then the other problem you're going to have, right? You can't just chop the body up and then deal with the pieces. ****** gonna spray, so you're going to have to cover a wide area. I didn't learn that from the show, but I I did learn that from one of The Golden Girls when we killed them together. Oh, good. I learned that from the. Thanks. Umm, that's another perfect murder in the Jinx. Well, really? Speaking of murder, do you want to continue talking about this topic? Ohh yes so. Jamie? Yes, what is a podcast? Ohh what? Oh well, it's when a series of sort of charismatic but maybe not that charismatic, a group of charlatans sell you a mattress. Jamie, I'm glad you brought up mattresses because Casper Mattress has a new offer right now. Really the only way to get the mattress that eats your ***. Because I've been waiting. Chris, that eats *** whether you ask for it or not. This mattress doesn't ask consent, it just goes for it. See that I it just goes for it. There's so many scenarios where that is going to be a problem. Well, Jamie, if you want the mattress that asks for consent before eating your *** then you want to perfect distress. That's the purple. The Purple mattress has consent checks. Casper goes for very considerate lovers for it now. Here's the thing though. The purple mattress. Great consent checks, can't talk about emotions. The Casper really emotionally open and has access to pretty good ketamine. So so the so the the purple mattress is cheaper but you you will have to pay for it. In terms of dragging it to go to therapy, you're definitely not going to get into therapy easily. And again the Casper has access to cheap ketamine so. That's the great thing about capitalism, though, Jamie. If you want a mattress that eats your *** you have a choice. And that's what makes this the best system in the world. I'm really glad that we got this sorted out, because I've been I sometimes there's just questions that you know that your friend will be able to answer for you, but you just don't really know how to, like, start the conversation. You know that's I can't call text you saying which mattress eats the best ***. But I know you knew the answer, you know? But we have choice. That's what's beautiful in Venezuela. Wow, you're lucky if you get one mattress that eats your ***. Hmm. And in a very lucky here, we get to choose our *** ****** mattresses. And you know what else we get in America? Jamie Loftus. What is this metaphor? What? What? Oh, wait. You Rogan? Yes. Now I see what you're saying. Joe Rogan? Yes. And you get a choice, too. You can either listen to Joe Rogan give you inappropriate healthcare advice, or you can just not listen to him and be quietly affected by everything he says. Because his influence is so great that even if you don't like him. Personally, epidemic rates that will affect you and potentially derail your life will. Will still, I don't know. Here's a clip of Joe Rogan announcing that he's tested positive for COVID-19. Got tested, and turns out I got COVID, so we immediately threw the kitchen sink at it. All kinds of meds, monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin Z pack. Prednisone everything. Ohh yeah, keep it on a loop, baby. Yeah. So this is a God. Also from why is this a thing with like, Gen Xers that it's like everything is from the least flattering angle possible? What is that? What is the up angle? You know, the more so easy to catch a better angle, you know? But the ******** the angle, the more. Looks authentic I guess. Yeah. Oh, that's how Joe Rogan tells us. He's one of us. He's one of us. He's one of us, just with an extra 100 or so $1,000,000. Jamie. Yeah, if you're a person with a reasonable grasp on observable reality, you will note that Joe Rogan there specified that he'd used his rich person powers to take every available treatment, and some of those treatments are real medicines. Monoclonal antibodies absolutely do some **** now. They were almost certainly unnecessary to him, because it sounds like he may just have had asymptomatic. COVID and maybe all he needed to do was self isolate for a little while, which he did do, I think. But monoclonal antibodies probably not necessary for him, but if you have actually do get sick can be very helpful, even life saving saving. On the other hand, the data suggests that I primecoin probably doesn't. Again, not solid solidified yet. We may find that there's some treatment case for it yet in the future, but certainly not the same amount of evidence that there is for monoclonal antibodies now being a healthy guy. With access to the best healthcare on the planet, Joe was always likely to survive COVID without much of an issue. And again, he may have just had an asymptomatic case or mostly asymptomatic case. But because he took over back to the alongside everything else, his example is going to spur huge numbers of people who can't afford monoclonal antibodies or round the clock medical observation, but can afford to go down to the ******* feed store. And that's again. Part of the problem, right. This is how the intellectual dark web launders deadly and misinformation because if you were to hold Joe's feet to the fire on this, who would say, well, look, I didn't say take ivermectin if you're sick. I said we're going to do all of the different things. You know, we tried everything. We tried all of the different medications. And if question, I'm sure he would also explain that his ivermectin was prescribed by a doctor and that there are doctors like the FLCC who will advise taking ivermectin Ethan as a prophylactic. He also took treatment. Yadda yadda yadda yadda. But again, a lot of the people listening are either just kind of hear that he endorsed ivermectin, or of all of the things he listed, the only one they can afford as ivermectin. Mm-hmm. It's great. So that's, you know, yeah, yeah, it's good, Jamie, we're not good. Again, This is why the world is doomed. So the intellectual dark Web or IDW is a term that was quote coined by a guy named Eric Weinstein to describe himself and a loose alliance of other right wing thought leaders who generally pretended to not be right wing, the IBEW. You came up with your own name for what? You and your dumb ******* friends and you ***** ** ****. Like naming your band Korn with. OK yeah, no, except corn rocks. Yeah, corn does rock. No, hate to corn don't. I got nothing against corn. I do the food or the band. So it's an embarrassing name. It is an embarrassing name, but whatever. So is Bono. I mean, Jesus, God, smack. **** that. Yeah, that is pretty embarrassing. You know what? Anyone with a band name it's if you think hard enough about it, it gets embarrassing. I think Jamie and I are agreed the concept of music is cringe. Honestly, I'm glad someone said it, because I don't appreciate our die alone in a small room. Come on, no one asked about your feelings. York, OK, I love. I worship York. York Rocks Jamie and she didn't need and she didn't need to. She she she just goes by her name versus corn or Godsmack. My two favorite thing Jonathan Godsmack has as much of a right to his name as. That's true. They're of the Boston God smacks. I believe Boston. Kind of. When I have a kid and name it Godsmack. Now just in the teachers have to say that ****. So the snack Evans Godsmack get down here. Because I've never listened to one of their songs, and I know that would be a lot of people's first question. Ohh, see, I yeah, maybe interesting. Maybe that is why I've been put on this earth is to spread the good word of of Godsmack. It's because they're from Massachusetts. Is that how I know who they are? So my uncle would bring us to their concerts? Yeah, you know who? What's not from Massachusetts? Is the intellectual dark web. So that's actually a relief. I DW started out, I think around 2018 by branding itself as a reaction to and a rejection of authoritarian left wing trends. They defined these as cancel culture would be a big one, respect for trans people would be another big one. The fact that groups of marginalized people get angry when you question whether or not they're, you know, deserve rights, the fact that people get angry at that is is authoritarian to the IBEW. So Barry Weiss, who used to be with the New York Times, very wise. Yeah. She's the one who popularized the term intellectual dark web for a 2018 article for the times. And ever since, the luminaries of the IWW have positioned themselves opposite the left on every conceivable social issue. Now, I don't give Barry Weiss credit for much, but in that first article on the IDW, she did identify what would come to be a problem with the intellectual dark web quote. I share the belief that our institutional. Gatekeepers need to crack the gates open much more. I don't, however, want to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I can't be alone and hoping the IWW finds a way to issue the cranks, grifters and bigots and sticks to the truth seeking spoiler they would not. Barry? That's our Barry. Just kidding. I don't like can't stand her, OK? That's a lukewarm take. And it's and it's Barry, but that's OK. You know what? You know what? I could. Yeah. Yeah, **** it. So Eric Weinstein, who named the IW, is the Managing director of Teal Capital. So he's a real, real upstart truth teller, really on the he he just manages billions of dollars in wealth. You know, he's an, he's an insurgent, he's an outsider. He's not like the rest of us. He has like a billion dollars. He's not like those rich journalists working for, I don't know, slate. He's not like other girls, so Eric has a brother named Brett, and Brett also is a member. He does W because nepotism. Brett is a former evolutionary biology professor from Evergreen State College. He got famous when he resigned in 2017 over the school's yearly day of absence. In years past, during the day of absence, students of color had left campus to have conversations about race and equity. But that year they asked white students to leave campus instead, and Weinstein complained. He said this led the intolerant left to bury him in death threats which made the campus unsafe for him and forced him to resign and sue his former employer. He received a half $1,000,000 settlement. Nice. Hmm. Good stuff. Real honest wages O Brett operates with his wife Heather, the Dark Horse YouTube channel, which is probably the primary non medical source of irrational ivermectin exuberance. Britain's just words throbber. You can't just say those words in that order and expect me to think something I I would, I can and I have. Oh, OK, so Brett and his wife left on the anti parasitic drug as soon as the first studies into its efficacy were released. Like the FLCC. I started off by pointing out that he had a history of being right about important COVID facts that the medical establishment had been wrong about, namely wearing a mask. You remember when we were out of masks and doctors said it might not be necessary because we didn't know much about it at that point? Well, Brett claims he was right about that. Who the **** knows. OK, so it's not like masks were an option for most of us. We were cutting them out of ******* T-shirts, Brett, right. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to quote next from Vice. They began promoting ivermectin this spring and interviewed Corey on their podcast in early June. Corey claimed that public health bodies are ignoring the potential uses of ivermectin in the fight against COVID-19. Perhaps deliberately striking the same conspiratorial tone that often arises in conjunction with flimsy medical claims. He speculated that a World Health Organization committee. Told they can't come out of that room with a recommendation for ivermectin, Cory and Weinstein both agreed that COVID-19 vaccines are being promoted at the expense of other treatments, seemingly for the benefit of the same sinister these, whom they imply control The Who and other health agencies and other podcast featured Weinstein literally taking ivermectin on air. We are not going to make any recommendations as to what you should do, Weinstein said shortly before Downing the drug. And we are not going to say anything conclusive about what the data say, because the data are not themselves. Inclusive. However, it doesn't mean the data don't imply things. Robert I fear that our medium is the source of all of society's current ills. Well, social media, our medium is part of it. Social media is really what got the ball rolling in before podcasts were, because this is also on YouTube, where he's doing this like, it's all part of it. Podcasts are part of YouTube. It's part of it's this whole. You know, Barry Weiss talks about the gate. There were too many gatekeepers. And the problem is now there are. There's no such there's no gate there. There's nothing at all. You you just pick the facts that are most convenient to you, and then you get increasingly violently agitated when reality doesn't line up with those facts. And so you attack the capital and start storming school board meetings and threatening to murder school administrators who demand people masks. I think that there's still gates, but the gates are far tinier and very easy to knock over. So it's like there's one person to each gate, and so you could just walk up and they're like, yeah, come on in, whatever. Like, there's no institutional. Gage, yeah. Not that I'm advocating for an institutional gate, but in this case, there were there were problems when it worked that way, too. It's not like, I'm not saying like, oh, we need to go back to the good old days when Walter Cronkite was the entirety of news. You know, I'm not when there was one source of news, of course not. The fact that there is a massive that you can make millions of dollars if you just wait until somebody makes a vague suggestion that a medication might be helpful and then tell them to issue all proven medications in favor of that. And then claim that you're being silenced by medical authorities when doctors say what you're saying is a bad idea and that way you make huge amounts of money. That's bad. Yeah. You should have to be able to, like, prove what you're claiming if you're claiming to be an authority. I think. I don't know. I don't know what the long term solution is, and I don't think we'll find it, but maybe it would be something like, OK, well, you told a bunch of people to take ivermectin and not get vaccinated, and these people died. So we're going to shoot you in a field. I don't know. Yeah, there's. Yeah, I mean. In Minecraft, of course, but I I see what you're saying. So Weinstein went on in that episode to claim that neither he or his wife had been vaccinated. Quote because we have fears, as we have discussed at length on this podcast, and that given the apparent effectiveness that ivermectin, ivermectin at preventing COVID-19, why would he bother taking the vaccine cost benefit? For me, it makes sense. So when Vice asked Heather and her husband which reputable scientific sources they followed on ivermectin, Heather responded like a truly gifted grifter and as a connoisseur of grifters, I have to give her a little clap for this response quote. We are not following any particular experts. That isn't what scientists are supposed to do. We have been and continue to read the scientific literature as it emerges. The one exception to this is with regard to protocol for using ivermectin as a prophylactic against COVID-19. Which is listed on the website for the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, an organization of doctors, of which Doctor Corey is a leading figure. So we don't, we aren't following any experts, but we are only listening to this one guy and taking this medicine because he said to. It's good ****. Sure. Sure. No, that that's solid. Solid. This is, like, absurd. OK. Hmm. Yeah. Now, after. It's good stuff. After Brett took ivermectin live on air, Heather claims she and her entire family began taking it as a prophylactic. At one point, Brett Weinstein acknowledged that his advice might stop people from getting vaccinated. Quote, they could well contract COVID-19 when they otherwise would not have. They might die. That's not a responsibility I want, but it's. I feel it's one I must take on. Because the analysis that matters is the net analysis. What is the best policy from the point of view of reducing the number of people lost to this disease, as opposed to loss to adverse reactions to vaccines? So, uh, huh, that's bad. But it is Brett acknowledging again that he knows he's going to get people killed. It's him claiming, of course, that it net he's getting less people killed, but he ******* knows what he's doing, right? That's that's. I mean, I guess that's not even really tripping me up logic wise, because it's abundantly clear that this that this group is aware that this is a risk the entire time. And I feel like that is like in the case of Joe Rogan, one of the only things that is preventing. From falling off the edge of a Cliff is he will never acknowledge that he knows that what he is doing, that hundreds of millions of people consume every week, has a demonstrable harm. And if he admits that, then the game is kind of changed a little bit for him. But the fact that he would admit it, like Brett I mean, would, it would admit that he's well aware of the consequences of his actions in public that easily is like just Speaking of the consequences of his actions, Jamie. So do tell. Oh no, we'll we'll be, we'll be getting to the consequences of his actions. But, you know, so Brett has more than 562,000 followers on Twitter and 351,000 followers on YouTube. One of his followers was an Englishman named Leslie Lorensen. Note that I said was on Facebook. Oh no. Leslie regularly shared Brett's content underneath one post wherein Leslie shared one of Brett's videos. He wrote, quote, and this is, this is Leslie Ivermectin has been around for. 40 years. There have been more than 4 billion doses administered in that time, and its risk profile is extremely well known. Frontline doctors across the world have reported that it is not only safe, but extremely effective in successfully treating COVID-19, yet its use is being suppressed and blocked by every single government. That is within the purview of Big Pharma, and the mainstream media is exercising a media blackout, AKA censorship, regarding its existence so that the sheep never get to hear about it. Shortly after that, he posted a video announcing that he had caught COVID-19 and that he was glad of this because the virus was nothing different. The normal illness and the potential risks of the vaccine were not worth it. Days later, his family found him dead in his home. God, I mean, it's like, do you need a more one to one analysis of what this guy's rhetoric is doing? That's oh, that's like, that's that's negligent homicide. That should be punished the same way as hitting somebody with your car when you're wasted. Be rewarded with reasons of money. No, instead he makes a bunch of money platform than ever before. Goes on Joe Rogan show and and yeah. But I'm not you know I I'm very critical of a lot of like the revolutionary fantasizing among some sections of the left and the up against the wall bring out the guillotines part but yeah ******* bring out the guillotines. Let's do it's like that's that's that's the right thing for clear cut examples of like well that situation calls for a key. It's you're you are knowingly getting people killed for your own personal benefit and I don't really care what happens to you, Brett. And it's not even he can't even like it. And and there's names to the faces, and he knows the names, and he knows the faces, and he doesn't give a **** like that. Is just. Horrific. Anyway, let's have a Nuremberg for disinformation. And like the actual nerberg court, most of the guilty people will get off Scott free and later wind up working for NASA. And then someone will make a movie about Joe Rogan designing the first successful Mars Lander. Joe Rogan is the Verner von Braun in this. In our. Yeah, what? Sorry. I see the spaceship that Joe Rogan makes. Do you? I mean, is it possible to make a bigger, like, penis complex than Jeff Bezos is? I would like to see Joe Rogan try. You know, I don't think that Joe Rogan has that same particular issue that Jeff Bezos has. What it what do you think his problem is? What makes his a lot of problems? But he strikes me. I don't think he's insecure like that. I that does not strike me as Joe Rogan's issue. Clearly ******* both Bezos and Musk are. But I think Joe Rogan is. I think Joe Rogan would have been a perfectly banal, perhaps even positive influence on society if we had never developed the Internet. He would have been. He would have been great at you go in to watch a bunch of sweaty guys punch each other and Joe. Is an entertaining announcer. And that would have been fine living. You could have done his standard factor residuals and like living in Glendale for the rest of his life. Yeah. And we wouldn't have known the difference. No. And you could say, oh, I like Joe Rogan. And people would say, Oh yeah, the guy who made people eat bugs. He was funny. And that would be the end of the ************* conversation. I would have no complaints at all. No. I love whatsoever. I love when people eat bugs. It's when you start spreading disinformation to hundreds of millions of people. To the. Point where, like you were saying, even if you don't give a **** about him, you can't escape the consequences of his actions, which he claims is free thinking. I just. I'm getting all sweaty like a Joe Rogan. Just thinking about it. I can't stand it. Jamie, you're so shiny right now. Oh my gosh, I'm so shy. I'm sorry. All the blood is at the surface of my skin and that's why that's happening. Well, you know what? Won't make you sweat. It's going to be it's going to be some weird weird thing that will make you sweat as the ad. But yeah, I mean it's not going to actually a lot of our because like if you're taking if you're taking **** pills they will cause things that will lead the sweating for sure. You know fair enough. Sex works and if you take. A Honda Odyssey. We're sponsored by Honda. What does a Honda Odyssey your *** hot it is. Yes, it will, Jamie. OK, just checking. The Honda Odyssey will eat your ***. Oh my God. Sorry. It doesn't ask for consent, but unlike the Casper mattress, it does not have a good camera. Well, yeah, at your own discretion. All right. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. 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That's during the break. What do you what do you what do you do in frying into our personal lives? How dare *** **** it? *** **** it. I I told you once, listener. Boundaries. Come on. Look, I'm open. Break down those parasocial walls, come over to my house, poison me in my sleep. That is. That is why we get out here. Please don't sleep. She's like one of four people that I really like. You can find my. You can find my address in the show notes. It's the only show note we still publish as Jamie Loftus is addressed in a series of recent photographs come to the duplex I live in. There's no air conditioner and it's very hot. But please don't please. You'll notice. That we haven't played any clips of from Brett's YouTube videos. This is because YouTube has started removing his content that discusses ivermectin and vaccines. A week or so before I wrote this, Weinstein tweeted YouTube just demonetized both dark horse channels, wiping out more than half of our family income. Their message dropped the science and stick to the narrative or else. So a bevy of right wing and generally oppositional defiant thought leaders spoke up. In Brett Weinstein's defense, these included Matt. Maybe who's recent turn has really bummed me out. Being a fan of his earlier work, Matt wrote an article titled Meet The Censored Brett Weinstein quote, as detailed in why has ivermectin become a dirty word? Weinstein is on the verge of becoming one of the more prominent casualties to a censorship movement that it's hard not to see as part of a wider evergreening of America. He's referring to the college that that Brett left because he was being a baby. He and his two yeah, that's where he got. He had to resign from because he didn't want to walk out during anyway. It was he. He made nothing into a big deal because he's a ******* baby, like all of these ******* well, that's yeah, that's the ammo, right. You know what happens when people ask me to do stuff I don't want to do? I I just quietly go don't do it. And I don't make a big deal about it because. Because why would you like? You don't want to, you don't want to leave campus during the day when they ask the white people to leave. Just do keep doing your thing, **** it. Like you don't have to make a big deal about it and and it'll go away. It's fine. You don't have to. You don't have to make every you don't have to be a baby about everything. But if you are a baby about specifically things that the left does, then you'll make millions of dollars becoming a right wing thought leader. Which is why he's done it. He doesn't believe anything. **** all these people. Thought, thought leader is such a meaningless term. I just yeah, every, every element of this man's being is disgusting to me. So Bill Maher also came to Brett's defense, along with, of course, Barry Weiss, Glenn Greenwald and Bish hero on she's on Bill Maher all the time. Bill Maher is the most effective Republican working today. Incredible at it. And it's so funny because Barry Weiss, in her first article in the DW is like, I hope they get a handle on grifters and people spreading misinformation. But of course, when they actually do that, she defends them to the ******* hilt because she's also not the grifters. I like 800. Grand a year writing ****** sub stack articles about how cancelled she is? No, who is read by these? None of these ******* people actually suffer consequences. They just whine about the consequences. They're not suffering because they're ******* babies. ******* hate all these people. So Ben Shapiro blamed Bretts demonetization on the increasingly censorious left. Weinstein took to Odyssey an alternative YouTube replacement for cancelled people, but the reality is that he has not been at all censored. YouTube's policies on ivermectin are extremely liberal, as this quote from vice makes clear. And I think this is by Anna Merlan. She's done a lot of the best reporting on the ivermectin stuff. That's a good journey. Yeah, I like her a lot. Quote Weinstein's tweets, called the YouTube decision and assault on science, but according to YouTube, even materials that advocate for the use of unproven COVID treatments like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Would be allowed, so long as there's some nod to the fact that medical and health authorities worldwide don't currently recommend them as a COVID treatment. Ivermectin is an anti parasite and has been widely and safely used in both humans and animals for that purpose for decades, among other things. As an example, the company pointed to a January video from Doctor Mike Hansen, an internist and pulmonologist who said he was cautiously optimistic about ivermectin as a treatment option, but acknowledged that the studies conducted on it up to that point weren't numerous or necessarily high quality. So you see, Brett was not demonetized for being the truth. Color. He was demonetized because YouTube's policies you can say, hey, ivermectin white might work. You can even, you can even tell people things that might lead most of them to take ivermectin. As long as you're saying, hey, this isn't proven yet and the studies are very much inconclusive, right? There's you can talk about ivermectin, talk about ivermectin research. You can't say it's a wonder drug that works better than the vaccines, because that's a ******* lie that'll get people killed. Brett, you ******* idiot. He's not an idiot. He's very good at making a lot of money. A very specific evil, no. It's like he's he knows exactly what he's doing. Like. OK, he's he's he's very cannily manipulating the information ecosystem in order to make a profit, and he is will he? He does not care that it's killing people, and he never will. Through the large shredder. That's my best guillotine idea. I've been saying it for years. The largest shredder available. I think actually what you should do is exclusively let him hang out in a room with his biggest fans. Make him live with them. And he has to listen to all of their opinions, no matter how long winded they are, which they all are from. He has to let them cough on him again. Brett is claiming to be censored and **** he was not censored. He broke incredibly permissive policies that YouTube set by literally stating on air that Invermectin was quote something like 100% effective at stopping you catching COVID, which it is not, which it is not there may we may find when conclusive results come in that ivermectin has a medical case use for COVID-19. There is a non distinctly non zero chance of that. Perhaps even a decent one that it has specific uses in treatment. It is not 100% effective at stopping you catching COVID. It's just not. You know why? Because some of the people who listen to Brett Weinstein are dead now. So of course Brett is now doing the canceled truth teller circuit. Barry Weiss compared him getting demonetized and having videos removed from YouTube to a book burning quote. How have we gotten to the point where having conversations about important scientific and medical subjects require such a high level of personal risk? How have we accepted a reality in which big tech can carry out the digital equivalent of book burnings? And why is it that so few people are speaking up against the status quo? Also, by the way, Barry Weiss, and Brett would all have been huge fans of the original Nazi book burnings because those were deliberately targeting the healthcare of trans people anyway. Joe Rogan has acted as a significant amplifier of Weinstein's nonsense. In an episode with comedian Dave Smith, Rogan said that he'd been listening to Weinstein and Hiring's advice on ivermectin. In the same episode, he said that COVID vaccines weren't necessarily for most people, and that getting them was just virtue signaling for a lot of us. Quote, if you're like 21 years old. You say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no now. In his defense, Rogan later called himself a ******* moron for this. Which is, to be fair, an unequivocal statement of of fact, that that was a stupid ******* thing that he said. The problem is that again. 100 million people listened to those ******* shows. How many of them made healthcare decisions based on what you said earlier and maybe didn't catch the other thing, right? Like, I found Jordan Peterson tweeting about ivermectin stuff, and he's tweets both the positive and the negative studies. Guess which one gets twice as many likes and retweets? Like, dude, it's I. Look, I say this as a comedian. Don't ******* listen to us. We don't unless we have. Unless there's footnotes, unless there's **** that is like, demonstrably but like, they're, I don't know, this whole, like, it's just not true. Like, don't try. Why would you trust someone who makes a living monetizing their opinions? That's like the worst instincts possible. It drives me up a wall anytime someone like. They're like, ohh comedians are the philosophers and they're like, no they're they're not. No, they monetize their opinions that are kind of funny sometimes like that. You know what? He also had a 3 minute bit about a 12 year old girl's genitals. Maybe we shouldn't have listened to any of them that much like. There's so like, it's it. None of it ages well. It's not based. It's like by design, not based. In fact, unless they're working in some other ******* capacity like. Why? The problem is that humor has obviously Joe Rogan doesn't know what he's talking about. Like then his job description that he states his opinions for money. What extents? You know Jamie, you and I both worked at cracked for different periods of time in a different checks chunks. But we both we both cashed them checks from the old place and a big part of cracked business model was like getting people to pay attention to fact based articles, to like to learn things by kind of wrapping them in comedy. Boy howdy, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wonder did that do more harm than good in the end? Because obviously we weren't doing this kind of ****. We were not giving people healthcare advice about like. Telling them not to take vaccines, but the broader trend of like, well, it's like, it's the same with the Jon Stewart stuff, right? The Daily Show where it's like, well, this is, you know, quote UN quote, better news than the real news. It's like, well, no, no, it's not. It may be it may be better news than what talking heads on, like 24 hour news channels give you. Sure, it may be better than like different news anchors. But also what they're doing isn't journalism. They're just reading from a ******* prompter about actual journalism. Like, it's not, that's a different brand of monetizing your opinions. Like the problem is so broad and it's not a right wing problem. The right wing has monetized it most effectively and used it most effectively to derail human civilization. But it it's it's a human problem and part of the problem, like fundamentally a big part of the issue is that like somebody makes you laugh, you listen to him. Because we like to laugh. Sure. Like, sure. I mean, we're beneficiaries of of that principle. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And there's definitely people who think that I know things that I do not know. I am. I am a legitimate, recognized expert on, on two things. One of them is how extremist groups use the Internet to recruit and radicalize people. And the other is how not to die while taking weird research chemicals that you bought off of a Canadian pharmaceutical website and anything else that I tell you. Not an expert. You can ask me about Kathy Comics, and you can ask me about the history of Chuck e cheese animatronics. Anything else? It's minsa. And I don't even I wouldn't even say that I'm like an expert on Mensa. I have experience with them, I've researched them, but it's I I can't claim to be the main expert on that. That's a very large issue that I don't have you saying that has made me decide to make you my Primary Health care provider. Now, how much cancer should I have removed? Because I feel like some of it's good to keep, right? You want to have some in there just so you don't get lazy, right? Well, I like to think of keeping some in there as a memory, as a memorable don't see. Yeah, the science of memories is, is is very under researched and I would say that I'm an expert in in memories. You want to keep your physical ailments in you just about like 2 or 3% and you do run the risk of them growing and hurting you, but don't you? Wouldn't you be sadder if you lost the memory? Absolutely. See, this is the kind of hard hitting medical advice that podcasts were invented to give. It's just like it's, it's, it's so, it's so frustrating, yeah. This is happening at the end, and at some point it's like, I feel like Joe Rogan has reached his level of cognitive dissonance where he has to tell himself that it's. You know, not causing the clear heart that it's that it's causing because it's like. Too late on his career trajectory to start backpedaling it that he's, you know, platforming really dangerous people and has been for basically the entire run of his show. I I wonder how much he thinks about it, because I I ******* do a lot, Jamie, and I don't. I try not to like, I don't give people health care advice unless I'm literally reading. Here is the the medically recognized advice here, like with a vaccine, I'll tell you to get the vaccine because there's an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that it it it saves lives. Umm, but, you know, there's stuff like, we did a Bill Gates episode, right? And I ****** ** a fact in it, which was this, this, this circumcision program that I still think has some kind of gross undertones. But I was wrong about a lot of the negatives of that, and I kind of got. I found the source that was not that I should have vetted more properly, and I I recorded a correction. We put it up in the episode, but by God, there's still people who will, like, make jokes about that part of the episode that make me think. They didn't catch the correction. And that is, I think, which might be minor compared to telling people not to get vaccinated, but it's still like, sure it should worry, but that you do this. Yeah, I mean, it's it is. And I feel like the nature of, and this isn't even a criticism of Joe Rogan. I mean, this is like the nature of. Podcasts and the nature of a lot of whatever. Like, I can't think of a less like a worse term in the on the planet, but like content creation in general is that there is such a pressure on people to release so much so quickly that it's like it's inevitably there's going to be stuff that isn't carefully vetted enough because of the capitalistic demand for there to be more and more and more of it. And it's, I mean, the amount. I mean, if you just think of the sheer amount of information and just like stuff that Joe Rogan releases into the world in a single week, there's no way that it could be properly vetted. There's not enough time to properly vet a show like that. And it's like, well, then maybe. There's an issue with how it's being done. I don't, but but there there's such a clear incentive for him to do that that maybe that makes it worth the cognitive dissonance that he's clearly hurting people. I don't know. It's just it's it's it's a real problem, Jamie. I mean, I. I don't know. This is this is like the biggest moral quandary within my my own life, my own personal ethics. Like, I'm way less worried about the ethics of me personally driving a ******* car that burns gasoline than I am worried about the ethics of like, we got behind the ******** got like 5 and a half million downloads last month, right? And then another one point OK ragging, Robert. Teen downloads last night something up, and depending on what you **** ** it can permanently alter someone's the way people think about the world. And I'm not trying to be arrogant there. I have people talk to me about the influence things that I've said have had on them, and I think it's generally been positive. Like it's often someone being like I was, you know, on the alt right or whatever, and like, then I. And so I feel fine about that, but like you don't actually know what impact you're having on all because maybe it's more subtle for a lot of people. Maybe you say something offhandedly that is inaccurate and for whatever reason it causes someone to make a choice they wouldn't either rise, have made and maybe they're not even aware of it. Because when you're producing content at that kind of scale to that kind of that many people, I don't know, we should all be more concerned about what we're doing for a living. I guess I agree, yeah. I mean it's like we're we're certainly like not above this criticism in any way. It's something that like I think about all the time, where it's I mean we're we're above it in that neither you or I or pretending. Are giving people advice on taking unregulated and unapproved medications to treat a pandemic. We are better than them. I will say that yeah, we are better than the people that are killing people, but that but what a low bar to clear. It's a very. I think about that a lot where it's like there's there's times that people have like I don't know or or just sort of. You hear someone's take away from your work repeated back to you. And just like, I've had moments where someone has said something to me of like, well, when I heard that you did this, I was like, oh, wow. And. And it was like, well, that's not really what I was saying. That's not really what I was saying. But that's what you took away. And that's kind of the. The risk that you take when you really **** into the world like it's just. I don't know. I mean, with the obviously not a new problem, but on this, like scale and in this way it it really is a stressful. Yeah, it's made me realize, fortunately the most influential people on the planet don't give a ****. So there you go. Yep. So there you go. They don't think about this at all unless they're thinking about how to profit from it. So this was a long digression, but I think it necessary one. I want to get back to that episode. Rogan did the emergency episode with Weinstein, Weinstein and Doctor Pierre Cory where they talked about how and one of the things they talked about, they brought up a lot of bad science, including the what was it the ******* this one of the studies we broke down earlier, but one of the things that Corey talked about in that episode. Is that the virus had been, quote, eradicated in monkey kidney cells in a lab test, and the cells the kidney cells that they had used are called Vero cells, which are used by virologists in research, including some early research into hydroxychloroquine last year. But as Wired reported in 2020, increasing evidence suggests that Vero cells actually might be a terrible thing to use for studying treatments to coronaviruses. In this way, quote, human lung cells contain at least two different enzymes that can help the virus sneak through their membranes with Vero cells. However, only one of those modes of entry is available, and it turns out to be the one that Hydroxychloroquine will block. Pullman and his team published their results in the journal Nature on July 22nd. For him, it's a clear example of why using human lung cells is really important in studying this pandemic virus. Vero cells should be handled with caution, Pulman says. It's true that the Vero cells are very popular, but unfortunately for this particular aspect of COVID-19 research, they are absolutely not useful. I think this is now clear to the field and. That's, again, part of the issue. What Corey saying isn't a lie. You couldn't prosecute him for it or, like, take his medical license. It's true that there was a study where they eliminated COVID-19 and monkey kidney cells in the lab test using ivermectin. The problem is that when you actually look in Vero cells and their use in COVID-19 virology research, they're very flawed. And that's not what you're getting in that ******* Joe Rogan episode. And it's a thing that, I don't know. It's very frustrating. In conversations with Rogan, Weinstein pushed the extremely successful line of claiming that. Avermectin is being suppressed as a treatment because it's not profitable. You have a drug that's good enough to end the pandemic at any point you wanted. Who decides to prioritize business interests ahead of that? I find it hard to imagine, he speculated, that the Pharmaceutical industry has corrupted the system of approving new drugs, and that because there's no profit to be made from ivermectin, it's being ignored or smothered. Now, during their emergency episode discussion, Doctor Pierre Corey backed Weinstein up in this line of reasoning, claiming no one is going to fund pharmaceutical trials around ivermectin. No one, he said, is championing ivermectin, except for my little group of nonprofit doctors. Can't say they're not nonprofit. I'm not really. But also little group working nonprofit doesn't mean they're not making money. That's how nonprofits work. Yeah, yeah. Oh, boy. OK. Yeah. That was yet another sentence that gave me a migraine. OK. Also, what he said is just objectively untrue. A lot of people are funding pharmaceutical trials around ivermectin. A study from Spain was published earlier this year that showed no difference in outcomes as a result of ivermectin. Use. Oxford University just announced that they would be studying ivermectin as part of a massive study on COVID treatments. There have been a bunch of studies on ivermectin which are very like. Have a lot of disputing, like different kind of results to them, but like, it's not, it's not being ignored, it's being studied. You're just demanding that people come to a conclusion about it before the actual science is there because you're a ******* grifter. Now, it's worth noting that the main manufacturer of ivermectin has also warned people against taking their medicine from COVID. They recently announced that their own product has, quote, no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from preclinical trials. No meaningful. Evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease and a concerning lack of safety data. And I'm not one to go to bat for Big Pharma, but they have a profit motive in they would make a lot of money by pretending otherwise. So, yeah, it's it's like, I don't even think it's going to bat for big Pharma to say that the fact that they it was this serious of an issue that, yeah, form of like, gave up a check, like, what else do you need to hear? Please stop taking our horse medicine for COVID. So. Right, right. They don't do that very often. They're not one to pass on the check. We've talked about the FCC and the intellectual dark web so far, but there's one last bad actor in the ivermectin story that I should probably explain. An organization called American's. Frontline doctors these cats came onto the scene in July of 2020 when a group of them gave a press conference on the steps of the Supreme Court urging people to take Hydroxychloroquine. They claimed that the mental toll of the lockdowns was worse than the virus, which by that point had killed several 100,000 Americans. While the FLCC started their public careers by making serious medical claims that wound up being very valid, the NAFLD was bogus from the get go. They timed their coming out speech to coincide with a major push President Trump made to convince governors to reopen states. The basic idea was that Hydroxychloroquine was all the medicine American needed to reopen. This was patently absurd and the medical community responded accordingly from time quote to the extent that the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all, it was to point out that these doctors making the statements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence that any of the doctors who spoke that day had treated patients severely ill with the virus. According to Med page today, a peer reviewed medical news site. None of them were infectious disease experts or worked in intensive care units during the pandemic one was best known for. Promoting bizarre religious beliefs, including tweeting that America needed deliverance from demon sperm because people were falling ill from having sex with demons and witches in their dreams. Two of the frontline doctors to talk about Joe Rogan. Two of them were ophthalmologists, only one of which was still licensed. Yeah, so again, FLCC, these are more credible doctors, but just because someone says it's an organization of doctors, dig a little deeper. You know who else? We're all doctors. The guys prescribing people in LA marijuana back in the mid aughts, and most of them were day drunk while doing it. They were not doing medicine. They were giving us access to pot, which I is fine, but it wasn't medicine. Which is yeah, it's a victimless crime, but it's so. The quote from time the emergence of a FLD was a coordinated political effort once in the making. The group was the brainchild of the Council for National Policy, a secretive network of conservative activists. During a May 11th call of CNRP members that was leaked to the Center for Media and Democracy, a progressive watchdog group, members complained that Trump was being slammed for his handling of the pandemic, including failing to follow scientific guidelines. The group needed their own medical professionals to promote their message, they said in the face of data showing 2/3 of Americans. Are wary of restarting the economy so. Very much an astroturfed sort of thing to to justify a reopening, you know, at the cost of people's lives. Nancy Schultz, a Republican activist, had spoken up during this call and hinted at the existence of the NAFLD quote. There is a coalition of doctors who are extremely pro Trump that have been preparing and coming together for a war ahead in the campaign on health care, and these doctors could be activated for this conversation now. Again, it's all out there. All of this is public information, obviously over, yeah. Like they're talking about, they're talking about this like they're ******* like deep frozen Marvel heroes that they could be activated for a that's just yeah, but you know who? OK, Frozen, Marvel hero, Jamie. Who? The products and services that support this podcast all crash landed into the Arctic while trying to. Something to do with World War Two, right? I don't. Do they have good butts? Do they have good butts? They like the marvels. Incredible sometimes. We're talking about Chris Evans here, right? Yeah, we're talking about, we're talking about the **** from assets. Nobody's. You know, there's a lot of scientific debate about around ivermectin ain't no debate around Chris Evans's ***. For that, that's a there's some things that bring people together, and Chris Evans is *** is one of those things. Yes, exactly. And a cure for COVID-19, anyway. Robert. What? I don't know. I mean, I guess it's spreading the rumor that Chris Evans, what would you does his aunt like, you know, I don't want to destroy his ***. For fake science, Jamie. The good news about Chris Evans's *** is that I don't know. I don't know how to continue this joke. 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We got our vaccines, Trump lost the election and the virus kept mutating because of a bunch of people refused to wait to get vaccinated before going out in public and also refused to get vaccine anyway. Whatever it happened, you know, this story listener, the afield continued to shift and change to offer effective disinformation at every stage of the pandemic. To start, the group's leader, Doctor Simone Gold, had focused on the danger of the lockdown and minimized the deadliness of COVID. Once hundreds of thousands of people were dead, she pivoted to claiming that Hydroxychloroquine could save lives. And in the pandemic, the AFL's videos were regularly shown on Infowars, and the group partnered with a right wing conspiracy theorist named Jerome Corsi to sell prescriptions for Hydroxychloroquine via a sketchy telemedicine site. In January, Dr Gold took part in the January 6th insurrection. The NAFLD sent emails to their doctors begging for urgent and generous. Relations to withstand such aggressive assaults from the ruthless enemies of free speech. They raised nearly half, $1,000,000 for Gold's legal defense. I know, it's rad, right? Oh my God, it's good **** Jamie. OK, just keep reading this script. The FBI spent the spring and early summer engaging in predictable grits. They held a national RV tour which sold VIP tickets for 1000 Bucks a pop to meet Doctor Gold. Complaints on the SPFLD Telegram channel make it clear that these appearances were regularly cancelled at the last minute. 1 user in Cleveland wrote on June 22nd that hundreds of US registered and received no information or cancellation notice to which the afield monitors responded that events could quote. Continue only when everyone donates what they can monthly. Just a ******* grift. With the luster off of Hydroxychloroquine, the FLD focused its messaging on just being anti VAX. For a while. They called the vaccines experimental biological agents and blamed them for 45,000 deaths. All of this was pretty bog standard stuff, and the AFL was honestly languishing a little behind the pack in terms of COVID disinformation until ivermectin came on to the scene. When it did, the NAFLD turned out to have the best infrastructure in place to take advantage of it. Because they had been they had this telemedicine. They have these deals with like companies with pharmacies and whatnot through telemedicine network to prescribe people hydroxychloroquine, and they were able to just pivot that **** to getting people prescriptions for ivermectin. And they had 160,000 followers on their telegram channels to sell ****. To quote from Time 2 pharmacists told time they were alarmed when they noticed an odd surge in ivermectin prescriptions, called in by telemedicine doctors in recent weeks. We're calling it the second coming of Hydroxychloroquine when, pharmacist in Maine says, noting he had seen prescriptions come in from quack. Telehealth prescribers in Texas, Florida, Illinois and California. It's wild to me and other pharmacists. I've talked to how people won't get a vaccine that is well tolerated and effective because it's experimental, but they'll take a dose of ivermectin that's been extrapolated based on weight from equine veterinary guidelines on social media. FLD is one of the top organizations steering customers to the deworming medication as a coronavirus treatment. On its website, people looking for COVID-19 medicine are told to click on the link, labeled contact a physician and pay $90.00 for a consultation. The link takes customers to another website, speak with an MD, where they're asked to submit payment information and told that one of the frontline doctors will call them within a few days. With sick patients being prioritized, the group describes this is the same process that you like get your dog to be able to go on a plane with you like this is like an emotional support dog system, whereas you're just give someone $100 and then you get to do what you want for basically no reason or to not have to pay. A sort of like get your dog into to a building. What a **** ****. Yeah. You know, which is fine. Yeah. Yeah. So the service they use is called on core telemedicine, which is one of a bunch of different services that purports to connect patients to doctors who can write prescriptions. A lot of perfectly legitimate services do this. I've gotten prescriptions for allergy meds and the like renewed this way. But the doctor I do telemedicine through is also a real doctor that I've visited in person since 2015 on forehead. Well, yeah, my doctor offers. You can do like, follow up visits and stuff via zoom and stuff during the pandemic. And so it's like, no, hey, yeah. No, I believe you're visiting a real doctor. Yeah. Yeah. For that, I'm visiting a real doctor. When I went ketamine and I go to a Mexican veterinary. Well, actually usually just a feed supply store. They sell it OTC over there, Robert. Got some ketamine, Jamie? Want some K? Not today. I mean, give me a couple weeks and say your friend's dog has nerve pain. Ohh I I've. Hmm. I don't know. I don't know you're doing what you're doing what all those boys in high school tried to do to be. It's funny because I went with a friend we were both he tried to get ketamine first allegedly and they wouldn't sell his ketamine because he he he's like tattoos his own hands and just looked like the kind of person who was trying to buy drugs from Mexican veterinary store. And I just like memorized how to say a I think it was me amigos pero este lores. Nervous ketamine noport favor, which crudely means my friend's dog has nerve pain. Can you give me some ketamine? And by God it worked every time. How can you get medicine for your friend's dog? That makes no sense. I find you know what works every time. I know you didn't because you're colleges from high school. Regionally, yeah. So anyway, since 2015, Encore has been run from a Golf Club in suburban Georgia. So not a real doctor about as legitimate as my ability to get ketamine. Prescriptions written from Encore go through Ravco, a digital pharmacy. In Florida, whose address time describes as quote, a dilapidated white structure by a strip mall, raftu calls in prescription orders to local pharmacies. Sounds like a fake name. Like either fake name is even bad. It's good ****. When the service switched over to selling prescriptions for ivermectin time notes, they're telegram channels filled with complaints about the service, quote many users call the arrangement of fraud. Still no drugs as prescribed. Have not heard from their pharmacy. Very disappointing. About 1 user on Telegram, August 1st. They took my money though definitely feels like a scam. That same day another frustrated customer wrote. You tell us the vaccine producers are getting rich off of. Seems like you are doing very well yourselves. Yeah, maybe follow that line of thought, buddy. Other supporters who had been promised they speak to a FLDS trained physicians were upset when the doctor pressed them to get the vaccine during a paid phone consultation. Not happy at all with that, but one woman who said her doctor's telemedicine Dr had told her to get vaccinated in addition to prescribing either vimentin. I felt I could trust them not to push the vaccine. Severely disappointed. He's giving you the drugs? Wow, like, come on. Dozens of messages, reviewed by time. We're from people with sick family members who are begging for a FLDS to escalate their cases. A woman named Cynthia who had paid the fee $90.00 is a lot for us, she said, wrote that she had never been called back. Please help. My husband is sick and it looks like he does have a hard time breathing. Moderators for the AFL's group on Telegram have tried to claim that issues with the service are the fault of the CDC, who they say have carried out a blockade on ivermectin. When clients complain about failing to receive services once their physician fee is paid, afield claims that this is out of their hands, quote because of HIPAA, but there is no blockade of ivermectin. The simple reality is that all these groups have so thoroughly ****** the information ecosystem around COVID that people have bought up every pill, dip and paste bottle they can. Line while Joe Rogan and others like him get the prescribed human version of the drug, desperate people who believe the FLCC are FLD or Brett Weinstein often wound up self medicating with ******* sheep dip. And this brings us to Facebook. Of all the things we've talked about today, most of the ivermectin Facebook stuff is not a grift. It's the result of guys at the top like Doctor, Cory and Weinstein, spreading vaccine distrust in vague ******** about ivermectin and institutions like the NAFLD being unable to provide. Prescriptions for most of their clients. A lot of people who believe this **** are too poor to use these services anyway, so they turn to veterinary medicine and. So and because, like, they're trying to figure out how to use it, right? They want advice. They can't afford to use any of these other services they get on Facebook groups, right? These are not. There are grifters in these groups. There are people who like, scan for just like what random medications people are telling each other tick on Facebook and then buy them up to sell them. And stuff like that does happen. But most of these people just think they're protecting their family and are very bad at vetting information. So there's a **** load of these ivermectin Facebook groups. Some of them have 10s of thousands of members. More pop up every day. Vice did a solid investigation where they looked at several of these groups and quote in another group with more than 2000 members and administrator, focused Wednesday on updated protocols from the frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. The FLC, the administrator wrote, is, as of this week, advising people to take two to three times as much ivermectin as it had previously recommended for Irvin early treatment of COVID members of the group studied charts in an attempt to find out. Just how much they would need to squirrel away. And yet another group which has 26,000 members and promotes itself as a medical team. A user who had just tested positive for COVID asked for help. I tested positive this afternoon, day two of symptoms, she wrote, and I literally cleaned out my pharmacy supply of ivermectin and I only have enough for two doses until Friday. I'm one pill short of each dose for my weight. Basically I have to skip a day and I can only have 1 dose accurately weight based until I get more on Friday. Should I take one full weight based dose and one less than weight based or two equal doses? With the same amount either way, I have to skip a whole day, which is disappointing. Users advised her to front load her dosing from maximum efficacy. Facebook's rules officially prohibit this sort of thing. You're not allowed to sell fake cures for COVID or make claims that are unfounded COVID treatments. But the reality is that the sheer size of Facebook makes moderation impossible, and they don't really try. When Vice brought specific groups up to Facebook, those groups were removed. But ivermectin aficionados keep creating new slang terms to use for the medication in order to evade censors. We saw this with like, the Boogaloo boys going with big igloo or whatever, right? It's just how this **** works in these groups people don't just provide each other with. Advice on how to acquire and take ivermectin they provide emotional support for what they believe is an unfair crusade against what Doctor Corey calls a Wonder drug quote. Help a person posted to a Facebook group laying out the particulars of how a family member hospitalized with COVID-19 was being treated with oxygen, antibiotics, steroids and expectorants. He's going downhill fast. They're not willing to give him ivermectin. Why do hospitals not allow treatment of ivermectin? I still can't wrap my mind around it. Another distressed person who described their father. Being hospitalized with COVID-19 posted to a Facebook group. Is it straight up money? Later, this person updated their post. I just talked to the doctor with all the bad news. I asked him about ivermectin. He said the words that will haunt me forever. Ivermectin is a quack. This ******* doctor trolled me as he's telling me my dad is dying. Oh my God, that's so dark. It's rough **** now when taken as directed, Jamie, yeah. Ivermectin is actually a very safe drug if you are taking it the way it is supposed to be taken and taking it for things that it helps with. Yes, it's a very safe drug, but many of these people are just buying horse paste and taking crude calculations again, like the FLCC just tripled how much they recommend you say. Overdoses of ivermectin are becoming increasingly common and have a variety of side effects from blurred vision, dizziness, hallucinations, lung issues, comas, and seizures. According to the CDC, there has been a 300% increase in calls to poison centers. This year and they fivefold increase from the baseline in July, and most of that is believed to be resulting from ivermectin. Use in Mississippi, at least 13 people called poison control if you're taking ivermectin in a single month, 70% of those calls from people who ingested veterinary forms of the drug. And like as I after I finished this episode, there were new articles one patients overdosing on avermectin or backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals and ambulances from News 4. Yeah, Doctor Mcelyea said that patients are packing his eastern and southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking ivermectin doses meant for a full size horse. The ER's are so backed up that gunshot victims are having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and treated. So that's ******* cool. And there's another one. It's just, yeah, ivermectin poison control calls increasing Minnesota amid COVID-19 pandemic. Sorry, I won't even read a quote. It's just keeps happening. It's everywhere. It's increasingly. Common. So yeah, and and and the fact that this is even happening, I mean, it's just, I don't know the the Facebook group. Hmm. Post those are so ******* stark. And it's like, in order to even, and I'm, I guess I'm speaking strictly to Americans specifically or, you know, people from rich countries that have plenty of ******* vaccines that it's like this in order to be engaging really firmly with, you know? That kind of stuff. You've already been sold and convinced of several bills of lies like this. The ivermectin thing is several layers deep in things that you already needed to have believed in order to get to the point where this would be sold to you as an idea of hope and an idea of of of. Handling disease, it's just. God, it's terrible. It's terrible because it like, I don't know it with stories like this, it always. It's hard because it's like they're whatever, people are firing off tweets that aren't objectively funny about **** like this. But then when you when you hear comments like that and you hear specific things, it's like. Those, it's just like several layers of coercion and desperateness that lead to the way people, the way people are acting and putting themselves and their families at risk. Like, it's just, it's hard off. I mean, like one of the things I learned, so I just mentioned blurred vision isn't comment overdose side effect and ivermectin. Because of this, a lot of people in these Facebook groups are now telling each other that you know it's working when your vision gets blurred. That now people are giving themselves river blindness and yeah, it's amazing. That there's no, I'm not going to go in and read these, but there's a lot of reports of people pooping what they think are worms, and now they're convincing themselves, like, oh, I've got parasites and what's actually happening? We talked about this in the bleach drinking Church episode where, like, parents are force feeding bleach to their autistic kids to cure it, and they see that they're like, passing all of these these, they're they're full of parasites. They're passing these worms. It's intestinal lining. They're ******** out the lining of their intestines because they put so much poison into their ******* bodies. It's just without oversimplifying. Talking about yeah, yeah. Hmm. I don't know. It's a lot of what we were talking about in part one, and also now is is like it to me, and I'm not an expert in in this in any way, but it seems like a lot of the issues with autism anti vaxxers was that they read a bunch of ******** studies that were not proven and were later redacted. But it didn't matter because the damage had already been done and it's like that same exact pattern is present here. Yeah, and when that study gets redacted, that's just proof that the deep state censorship, yeah, censoring some ****. Anyway, Jamie, how you feeling? That's the episode. And demolished. How are you? Pretty good. I think I might get back out onto my lanai and pick a couple of tomatoes, you know? Oh yeah, well, as long as you're as as long as you're on the lanai, consuming your produce that I think that you know you'll you'll be fine. I've gotta go. I've gotta go take 500 brain pills and sweat and freezing cold room. Great idea. Sounds like the Joe Rogan doing. Yes, yes. It's the new golden standard for all comedians. We have to do it. Or we'll never work in this town again. That this town being Austin, TX, of course. The only town in my opinion, Jamie, where can the good people on the Internet find you other than Austin, TX where you are no longer allowed after, you know, I was. I was banished. I was banished. Listen, I had reason to be honest. I sweat too good. I posed a threat. 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