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I really think drinking bleach with Billy Wayne Davis might fill that GOT shaped hole in all of our hearts of people die and there's more ******* than you would think. Yeah. Oh boy. Well, after my worst intro of all time. I assume Sophie is nodding her head at that. Let's get let's get back into our tail. So when we when we ended the last episode, we had just introduced the fact that in this episode we will be talking about Kerry Rivera. Now, Rivera is someone who I misspelled as a as Kelly Rivera in most of this episode, but hurts. Your name is Carrie Rivera and she is the person who is responsible for spreading the idea across the world that drinking bleach is a cure for autism. She which is OK. She's like the she's the miscavage to Hubbard. Yeah, if if Jim Humble is the L Ron Hubbard drinking bleach. Kerry Rivera is the miscavage. Yes. Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha. Where she comes in, she's like, I like what you're doing. We're going to make it bigger. We're going to make it bigger and worse. Just more focused, which might be a smarter move because you can really sell anything to people who. Are Democrats who are desperate and believe that like a mom and her intuition are better than 100 doctors. Being like this is a bad idea, which is which is a lot more powerful than the than the humans would like to admit. Yeah, it's like the the idea that mothers have some sort of, like, supernatural understanding of their Children's Health is like. One of the most dangerous things in the world. It has probably killed more children than ******* anything else. Yes. Yeah. Then we all care to think about or it. Yes, yeah, because everybody believes a version of it, like. Umm. Yeah, it's it's it's, well, they do know their behavior better than absolutely. And and I think that bleeds into being like, I just understand them better and like, no, you understand that how they behave in their routines. You don't know how the inside of their ******* body is working right now. And even then, I think a lot of mothers like that's one of the one of the reoccurring themes of mass shootings is there's a lot of moms out there who really thought they understood their kid and then did not understand their kid. Yeah, yeah. Which is like. In general. Parents. Don't understand their kids. And kids don't understand their parents. And the only person who understands their kids, the only person who understands teenagers. Is the band Coldplay. They nailed it. Yeah, yeah, they nailed it. Chris Martin. Just playful. Just playful. So what started as the sacrament of a specific nutty church has spread across the alternative health ecosystem and turned into a cure for autism. According to a write up on Carrier Rivera from the website Science based Medicine, Rivera started her work in something called the Autism BioMed movement. Now these are groups of parents, mostly, who are frustrated by Medical Sciences inability to cure autism and have spoken. Or they've taken to a variety of dangerous. Treatments in order to heal their children. In 2012, Carrie spoke at the Autism One Conference, which is an annual anti vaccine symposium. She claimed to have recovered, and that's her word, 38 children from autism in a single month. According to the website Science based medicine quote, at the time, Rivera was running a clinic in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico that she called autism O2 Clinica Hyperbaric A. Unsurprisingly, the website is no longer there. Fortunately, the Almighty Wayback Machine at archive.org provides the now defunct. Material we're interested in under protocols. So in the slides that are still held by the Wayback Machine, Kerry claims she learned about Miracle Mineral solution while she was doing intense research in Google University, which is a term that you will hear from parents who self treat their children serious medical issues with nonsense. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's like that's a thing that they came up with. And yeah, that's that's face. Like they're very proud of it. I can't do this. If I can say that with the strife Google, I can't Google University that can't say it. One of my favorite memes that runs around in anti vaccine circles is like, you know that meme that like the the the idea is like how people think I look or how my friends think I look, how society thinks I look, how I I really look. And it's like there's everything from like Burning Man to preppers to the LGBT community. There's different variants of it. The one that I've seen for the, like, anti vaccine autism Mom community is like how society thinks. I look, someone in the tinfoil hat, how my friends think I look, and it's like a crazy person ranting and then how I really look. And it's like a A. She's surrounded by books and printouts of paper and like highlighting and stuff. And it's like, no, you just reading 100 different crazy blocks. Like, yeah, you're getting one other medical research thing. Yeah. But they but they think because they're spending a lot of time reading about it, that counts as research, which is, you know, a mistake I make all the time. I mean, I don't make it. I know I'm dumb, but there's a lot of people who make that mistake of thinking I'm a serious researcher. And I mean, technically, I've been doing math my whole life and I should be if that's the. That's what I should be an expert at math. I'm not an expert at math. It's like that. That's that. Malcolm Gladwell. 10,000 hours thing ******** where you're like, no, I can't buckle basketball. And I've tried for 10,000 hours. It's worth. I've definitely walked for 10,000 hours. But I have like friends who do whatchamacallit that that a ******* magic walking around the city. I know, yeah, parkour. Parkour. And it's like, I I can't do that despite my 10,000, you know, hours of walking around. They've spent less than 10,000 hours of doing parkour. It matters what you spend the time. Doing it does or what you're reading. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Spending 10,000 hours Googling autism and vaccines will not do you as well as, I don't know, medical school. Yeah. There's a difference between these two things. So after hours and hours of Googling, Carrie Rivera decided that autism was a caused by pathogens. That's the conclusion she came to, which is a very common strain of thinking among like sort of the anti VAX community, that there's different diseases that actually cause autism and these diseases are stuck inside of your vaccines. Some people think it's an accident that the diseases are there. Some people are like, no, it's a government conspiracy to make everybody autistic, but they believe that. What's the point of that? Yeah, who profits from the the autism industrial complex? Like, yeah, I don't mind that. It's a lot of it, yeah. Selfish moms who are like, why did this happen to me? Yeah. And the reality, and it's also this misunderstanding where it like, it seems like if you look at the numbers that autism's gotten way more common in the last 20 years and it's like, no, it's just that it used to just be something where most of the kids who had autism, you would just call them bad kids and they'd get hit by their teachers and parents, and eventually they would stop acting as if they were different, although they would still be. Not neurotypical. And now we understand that. No, it's a spectrum of different sort of things, and they have different sort of, you know, like ways to respond to them and allow these people to still function in communities and stuff like that. It's not like it's not an epidemic that's new, it's just you used to just hit kids with autism and now we've understand that it's a thing. They're not just misbehaving to misbehave. And we're also, I think, mislabeling people as, you know, on the spectrum, like my mom. Was that she's very anyone that's, like, pretty intelligent. She's like, you know, I think he's on the spectrum a little bit. And you're just like, no, he's just a very smart person that doesn't like talking to dumb people, that's all. Yeah, he's. Yeah, there's this. There's definitely a trend to it where it's like, oh, anybody who's antisocial is on the spectrum. It's like, no, some people just don't like people. Yeah. It's like, I wish I could walk away like that. I don't think he's autistic. I think he's just got more balls than most. Yeah. He just respects his free time. He does. I'm jealous. That man. Yeah. OK, yeah, there's anyway, so Kerry Rivera became convinced that autism was caused by pathogens. And of course, if autism is caused by pathogens, then MMS, which we know from Jim Humble, is the ultimate treatment for any kind of pathogen, must be the perfect cure for autism, Kerry wrote. Quote, Ms Kills virus bacteria, Candida neutralizes metals, and Ms Pass through the blood brain barrier. What more do we need? How does she? How does she know? Yeah. How does she know that? Google University forgot that she went to college. You forgot she went to Google? Yeah, yeah. Now, Kelly is a particularly big fan of bleach enemas. That is, her brand is bleaching. Shooting bleach up your small child's *******. That's like, yeah, that's her brand. She recommends 10 to 15 drops of MMS and 500 milliliters of water. Shot directly up the colon and left to soak for between 12 and 30 minutes. You like about that, Billy? I mean, I was with you until it was like, then you just let it soak. I don't know why that that was my line right there, but that was definitely a visceral line where I was like, no, that's the point at which Billy's out. Yeah, I think we could do some fun. Like, yeah, she did that. They were clean, some stuff out. But no, we're going to let it sit in there. And then you got to let that bleach really soak. You get treated the way my mom treats like Clorox in the bathtub. Beans in with a bunch of towels and see what that does. Jeans. That's going to be your *******. Your ***. So this treatment, two to three times a week, is what Kerry believes will recover children from their autism. Now, it breaks my heart that I even need to say this. But just so we're clear, bleaching your child's: will not cure their autism. There is no cure for autism. I'm not a doctor, but I will go out on Liam. You can quote me on that. It's one of those things. If there were some sort of magical cure for autism, the question of whether that was even an OK thing to do in all circumstances would be an incredibly complicated moral debate. That's way beyond the scope of this podcast. But what was is within the scope of this podcast is to say bleach will not cure autism. Like, I feel like we're on solid moral ground stating that one. I don't think it'll cure your hemorrhoids either. Yeah, it I don't think it cures anything other than maybe wanting your ******* to be a sparkling the color of sparkling white tile. Everything here, it was like 2 brown. You're like, yeah, I think you can get that done in Beverly Hills though. No, you can. But they don't put it all the way up into your colon. They know better. I hope they don't. Unless, well, you have extra out thing. I just want to clean: Just let's get in there and clean it out. Yeah, somebody to swim in there if they need. Yeah, I want it to be. I want my colon to have the same pH as a swimming pool. Because my yeah, my pool boy won't get anywhere near my ******* so I'm going to get it cleaned out. You know, if Carrie Rivera was just letting Beverly Hills moms have ******** that are fit for their pool boys, I would not have a problem with her. I would celebrate her. I would celebrate her passion. The dosing guidelines that I related back then are just what Carrie advises parents to start with. She's made most of her money selling one-on-one counseling sessions with parents treating their children. In those sessions her main tactic is to constantly advise parents to up their kids dose of miracle mineral solution. The author of that science based medicine article discussed one video in which Rivera warns that all of this asked Bleach can cause diarrhea, but that this is OK because it would just be detox diarrhea, which is of course not. The thing well, this is the best kind of diarrhea is the best guy in the diarrhea. Quote she even likened the reaction she expected to a herxheimer reaction which is sometimes seen after the initiation of antibacterials for tickborne relapsing fever. It was first described as a reaction to the treatment of syphilis with penicillin, and is also seen after treatment of other diseases caused by spirochetes such as Lyme disease and leptospirosis. Basically, this reaction is due to the release of endotoxin like products by microorganisms as they die off during antibiotic treatment. Rivera also discussed what she referred to as the 72 two protocol, which involves giving Mrs every two hours for 72 hours. She also recommended fever therapy and argued that it's a good thing, if imminent, that MMS can cause fevers because it's waking up the immune system which realize that there's that there's, quote, autism in the house. So exalted how she didn't know until you didn't know her *******. And then that bleach. It's like a dog for your ******* that lets it know that there's autism at the door. She also exalted about how she loves the enemas so much for autism. I believe this part. I believe some parts. Yeah, she definitely loves the enema. That that. Yeah. Now, I should also note that Kerry Rivera's 2012 **** bleach slide show ended with a Deepak Chopra quote. Miracles happen every day, not just in remote country villages or at holy sites halfway around the globe, but here in our own lives. So that's. That's magical, right? Now bend over and put this in your *** now. That science based medicine article and Kerry Rivera included a link to the blog of one of the mothers who administered carries treatment to her child. The blog is chilling reading the boy JoJo was 11 years old and had been diagnosed with autism. At age 3, his mom decided to start experimenting with autism BioMed treatment based on her mother's instinct that it could help. Those were her words. Quote. JoJo has given one ounce of the mixture hourly, so effectively he is getting 1/8 of a drop. Each time his first dose was given after school at 1:00 PM, he is now given 8 doses only, although my reading tells me that that is a minimum. I suppose I could increase up to 9 to 12 doses a day, but I'm kind of leery of the possible increase in die off effects too. That's of course, the fact that it kills all of the bacteria in your gut and: which is bad for you, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need that stuff right now by the first day of this bleach treatment. JoJo had started to run a low grade fever. The fever and his cough got worse and his mom decided that this was due to parasites in his lung dying so that's that's cool. Later entries describe JoJo getting constipated, and when that resolves his mother thought that parasites were coming out in his poop. That theme continues throughout the blog. JoJo develops diarrhea, flare, ups of chronic eczema, and a variety of other side effects, which were of course just the normal effects of poisoning an 11 year old with enormous doses of bleach water. Now, Jojo's very, very, very, very, very profoundly dumb mother was at least smart enough to realize that her child's worsening symptoms necessitated direct intervention from a professional. Unfortunately, that professional was Carrie Rivera when she texted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When she texted Rivera about her son's Constipation, Carrie responded. Do an enema. There is probably a worm in his intestine, and give more MMS doses orally if he is awake. More Ms now, please. I mean, it's like, attempted murder is what that is, right? Right. This is attempted murder. Yeah. Look, I'm just saying, like, I was like, where's the punchline here? And there is no punchline other than these people are either. Very dumb. A mixture of dumb and desperate. Or trying to kill their kids. Yeah, and I think it's usually just dumb and desperate. These tend to be one of the real tragedies here is that, you know, there's there's a wide variety of expressions of autism, and a lot of people with autism, you know, are capable of communicating perfectly well, leading very normal lives, having relationships and families and jobs and stuff. But there's also a sizable chunk of people who are, when I worked in special Ed, the term we used was low functioning. I don't know if that's the term they still use, but these are, in a lot of cases, these kids are nonverbal, so they can't they can't communicate with you in traditional senses. They can't use their words. And so that's one of the tragedies here, is that these kids who are getting poisoned with bleach can't tell anyone what's happening. They can't even tell their parents, please stop filling me with bleach. Which is like hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. You know what's not horrible? 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The reality when actual doctors looked at this is that it was bits of: mucosa, which is the lining of the colon. And these bits were sloughing off as a result of all the damage that all that bleach had done. But Kerri Rivera refers reinforced this mother's errant belief, telling her that these were worm intestines and explaining that the outer skin is already digested and the inside intestines, etcetera, disintegrates like this so. The mom continued to give treatments for several months. Eventually she became concerned that the worms did not seem to be extinct, despite months of bleach treatments. Kerry agreed that this was a problem and prescribed a dose of nebenzahl, which is a drug used to treat parasitic worms, which the child did not have so. Cool now. If you keep putting bleach in your kids **** things that look kind of like worms but are actually their intestines will continue coming out forever, or until till the kid gets sick and dies or needs part of their: removed, I mean. Cool. Awesome. You know, I know, I know. All these doctors keep saying this isn't real. But I'm going to keep trusting that Lady. I'm going to keep trusting this lady who I could just text and she says more bleach. Yeah, because that's how all the other doctors seem to operate too, yeah. Now, the strength of this particular grift is the fact that while drinking and shooting bleach up your **** is bad for you, if it's fairly diluted, it probably won't kill you. Certainly it won't kill healthy people. Adults can drink a surprising amount of bleach without dying. Idiot friends there there have been two deaths associated with Ms, but for the most part it just causes intense discomfort. So Carrie Rivera's autism parasite enema treatment nonsense has spread far and wide over the years. In 2017, a news report in the UK revealed that a Cheshire woman had been reported to the police for talking in a secret Facebook group about bleaching autism away. Emma Dalmain, an activist who fights against this particular species of nonsense. Had infiltrated that face group, book group, and reported the information to the police, she said. Quote The most extreme case I have seen to date is a 6 year old boy who had to have his bowel removed and a colostomy bag fitted after his parents gave him these enemas. So that is the worst case scenario. God yeah, yeah, I mean cool stuff, I mean. And. They'll also probably get the measles too. Yeah, because they're not vaccinated. Because they're not vaccinated and because their immune system is taking a major hit from all the bleach. Yeah, because it's like, hey, we're having to fight this thing. We shouldn't have to fight every day because. I feel like we should just fight the mom, but we're too tired to go after her. It's amazing how many of the world's problems wouldn't exist if. People just weren't incredibly ******* stupid. It was helpful thing to say. It's like everything else, the ego. Because like when I go home and this isn't a great, probably good example like anybody when you go home, like there's like cousins and stuff. I'm around when you hear their wives or their, the moms talk to the kids and they're like, what you're saying is so wrong, I'm not going to correct it, but it's about like, well, I don't know this, but I'll make it up to you. So and you don't know no better. And I it just only like, eats me up. Every time I'm back there, like the information you're giving is wrong because you're too lazy to even look it up. You have all the information on your phone in your pocket, like literally all of the information humanity has ever acquired. But you're picking a random blog from a woman who says to shoot bleach up your kid's ******* over centuries of medical science. Yes, OK. Uh, it's. And there's also an ego. And like, I think this is often the parents who get involved in, like, the craziest treatments are like, they're they're doing better financially. There may be people with a lot more of an ego to them who take it personally that their kid has this illness and see it as like, no, my kids should be perfect. So number one, it clearly can't just be that sometimes people get autism and sometimes people get types of autism that render them nonverbal. And that, you know, mean that they're not going to be able to live a normal life. And that's just a thing that happens. No, it can't be a thing that happens to me because it means that I'm not perfect because this is my kid. So it must mean that someone's poisoning my child and I can fix it. Exactly. Yeah. I think that's where a lot of it comes from, too. Yeah. That kind of like, well, I know. I know, but you don't. You don't, though, do you? It's one of those things I am. It's given me a lot of respect retroactively for some of the parents I knew when I was in special Ed, one of the kids that I worked with was extremely violent, to the point where he he would he had. He broke numerous people's bones and hospitalized several people, and he was very large and his parents weren't into any woo ******** or anything like that. They were insistent on keeping the kid in the home, though, because a lot of people had advised them to like you, put the kid in a full time sort of residential. Facility because he's dangerous. And this kid's dad, his mom got, I think her like jaw broken. And then a month later his dad had his arm broken and they were still intent on keeping this kid in the home because that's what you do to your kid. You take care of them if they if they need your help like this. And at the time I thought they were crazy. And now I've come around to believing like, no, that's just somebody with a really intense understanding of the responsibility that a parent should have to their kid. The people who put bleach up their child's ******* and refused to accept the reality of their situation. That's crazy. Yes. Yeah. No, without a doubt. No, it is. It's because it's like that old Chris Rock bit about, like, you just bragging about the things you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, I'm a good dad. Blah, blah. He's like, no, you're just you're supposed to do those things. That's the thing. Yeah, it is like a. It's the nonverbal thing is very fast. And we have some family friends who have a. Adult nonverbal, but they learn that he can. They give him a keyboard and he can say things and like, yeah, yeah, that's almost 18 or 19, I think before that happened. And I was thinking about that moment when they learned that he could communicate and he was listening. Like, I get chills talking about because it is that thing of like, yeah, if you're shoving bleach up his *** his whole life, you don't never have that ******* moment where it's like, yeah, that he. There's just something with his wires. He can't verbally communicate, but he's very smart and very together. And that's what's so evil about it to me. Instead of devoting the time that a real, loving parent would devote to trying to figure out how to make your kids life as good as it can be and how to communicate with them and work with them, you're just so obsessed with quote, UN quote, fixing this or recovering them as is, is Carrie's language that you never for a second listen to them. It's the same mental thing where it's like you think something's wrong with your kid because they're gay. It's that religious thing too. I think religion has a little bit. To do with both of what we're talking about and it's this there's nothing inherently wrong about the idea of like, I'm sure there's a lot of great mothers out there who feel that their mother's intuition is very important and have been right about a lot of things, but it's this idea. There's there. I think. I think where it gets dangerous is when mothers intuition crosses the line into I don't need to listen to anyone, including my kid, because I know what's best for them. Yeah, that's what's gross to me. Anyway, I found an NBC7 Chicago article about Kerry. Vera from 2015. It interviews Doctor Karen Radwan of the University of Chicago. He expressed utter despair at the number of parents who had reached out to him to express a willingness to try any kind of treatment, even insane, dangerous and bleached based ones, to cure their child. They will tell me. I know there is not much evidence in this, but I still want to try it. I know that sometimes people will close their eyes because of their desperate, hopeless situations. Yeah, they also talked to Carrie Rivera. She claimed that her own son, diagnosed with autism at age 3, was proof that her treatments work. Quote, my son was immediately looking me in the eyes. He was smiling at me. He was back almost as if he had come back to his body. Autism is treatable. It's avoidable, and I believe that it's curable. As the symptoms go away, the diagnosis fades as well. Carrie Rivera, yeah. Now the Guardian caught up with Carrie next. By that point, she'd started to claim that her protocol had cured 170 children of autism. She said the people who criticized her for poisoning children with bleach were haters and trolls. Quote if, in fact, chlorine dioxide were this toxic, poisonous bleach, there would be a sea of dead children. How can this be bad if people are healing and nobody's dying? Solid logic there, yeah. Has a colostomy bag. I actually found a response Carrie pinned to her critics after her book on bleaching autism away was removed from Amazon. It included her directly addressing the criticism that her miracle cure is just bleach. Quote this is like done as a Q and a sort of thing. So here's the Q chlorine dioxide is nothing more than an industrial bleach. You might as well go to the store and buy Clorox and drink that carry responds. Yes, you are right that chlorine dioxide is used in industry. In fact, so is salt water, vinegar, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide and countless other important chemicals. This is not mean. It has no value as a medicine or food. In fact, Coumadin where Ferrin is a common blood thinner. It is also useful as a rat poison. You don't just take warfare and any old time you want. It has a lot of side effects. It's prescribed in specific situations and also in a different formulation that you use as a rat poison. Oh, you shouldn't just if you need some blood thinner, you shouldn't just eat some rat poison. No, no, no. In fact, do not do that, OK, OK. Uh, anyone who thinks Kerrigan? Anyone who thinks the CD autism protocol advocates pouring bleaching strength CD in a child or adult isn't even close to having their facts straight. That chlorine is a chemical constituent of CD is a media spin masters dream come true. For those who have no knowledge of chemistry, I should point out that plain table salt has chlorine as a key constituent. The bleach you use to whiten your clothes is a very different chemical sodium hypochlorite and I highly suggest you never drink it or you will have a problem. Any journalist suggesting that household bleach is the same as chlorine dioxide should be fired. I should note that one point of the ABC report on MMS was to use it to bleach clothing because it's bleach. Also, no one is saying that chlorine dioxide is the same as household bleach. Everyone I've seen reporting on it points out that it's industrial bleach. Jeez. Now, what is her game? Is it just to get money? I don't know. I suspect she really believes that it works. And, you know, maybe some of it's that. There's a lot of moms out there whose kids are kind of on the, I guess you'd say, lighter end of the autism spectrum and are able to communicate well enough to realize that if they keep doing certain. Engaging in certain behaviors that are like behaviors associated with autism. Their mom will keep force feeding them bleach, so they stop doing those things because they don't want bleach in them. And then Mom says, I cured my son. Yes, it's like, no, you tortured him into not acting a certain way. The same way kids with Asperger's syndrome used to get hit by teachers until they acted quote UN quote normal. Like that's what you're doing. That would be my guess. Or she's just lying about it all because it makes her a lot of money. Totally possible too, but the insistence makes it seem more than just money because there is like a like, like, there is like, I'm a right right about this. Yeah, there's this, this, this righteousness cloaking it that makes me think she believes some extent of it. Although with Grifters it's always hard to tell. Because the key to being a successful grifter is to never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever give up on the grifter. Admit that you've ever been. Long. And also, if you're someone who believes that you're a righteous healer, you'll of course never ever, ever admit that you've ever been wrong. So yeah, because if it was just about the money, I think she would move on from a lot of these people instead of just being like, no, pour it up in their *******. You should do that like that kind of stuff like that. Makes me believe, like on some level she's like, this is. I am right about this. I am right on this, yeah. Now, back in 2015, the Attorney General of Illinois went to after Kerry for violating section two of the Consumer Fraud Act. She had to sign a certificate of voluntary compliance promising to stop advocating for bleach. Based cures of autism. So for a while it looked like she was out of the bleach prescribing game. Unfortunately, plenty of other people are still in it. In 2019, NBC News published an article about a group of moms who've gone undercover in several Facebook groups that were still spreading the gospel of bleaching autism away. The moms were motivated by horrific posts from other Dumber moms, like this one posted about a 2 year old who was not taking well to his bleach treatments. Quote my son is constantly making a gasping sound. He won't. Open his mouth, he screams. Spitz flips over again. This complete refusal to listen to your child signals like whether or not that 2 year old is verbal in any way, shape or form. I would say the gasping, he's communicating. He's saying stop bleaching me. And he said, I think he's trying to tell you something right now. Yeah, stop doing that. Don't do that to me. I don't like. And this is, This is why there's a a charity called Autism Speaks and there's a number, I'm not going to get into the entirety of the reasons that a lot of autistic people have issues with it. But one big issue they have I think with Autism Speaks and with a lot of different sort of autism based charity organizations that aren't centered around actual autistic people is this focus on like ending autism. Whereas a lot of these people be like that's kind of offensive. This is just like a part of who I am and it's a thing. Like makes my life different, but I don't like. It's kind of ****** ** that you're just focused on eradicating this thing rather than listening to me and understanding me and people like me and helping us exist in society like everyone else. Like, disability advocates, people who are, like, advocate. Not that it's the same thing, but like you don't go to people with like if you're, if you're trying to help wheel people with wheelchairs access more stores by putting it ramps. Like, that's a good thing because you're listening to a problem people have. You don't just go, like, let's eradicate people who don't know, like they have, who can't walk or whatever. Like, you know, we need to finish you guys that can't walk. And yeah, that'd be great, but it's not going to happen. They they did they gave us me a chair, that. News, yeah. And if you if you put in this one thing, if you listen to what we're saying, you can make our lives easier. Like, yeah, it's it's it's all part of the same, like ****** ** behavior. It's just this is the most toxic variant of that. And sort of the people who are focused on eradicating autism are still doing a toxic thing, but on a totally different sort of end of the scale. Yeah. Anyway, I I shouldn't wade into that too much because I have not done all of my research on Autism Speaks or any of that. But listeners should know there's like a very big debate within sort of the community of of, of autistic people and advocates and whatnot over a lot of this stuff. So like the the the toxic stuff that carrier Rivera represents is like, again, part of a spectrum of toxic behavior. 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I was talking about an NBC News article from just like a couple of weeks ago about a group of moms who went undercover in several Facebook groups to try and like talk about the fact that Facebook has essentially allowed the spread of this very toxic set of behaviors that's poisoning children, and these mothers were abusing their children. ABC talked to several of the moms doing this activism. They also reached out to Carrie Rivera. Quote Rivera declined to be interviewed by NBC News, but an e-mail she defended chlorine dioxide in her credentials. This is a medical issue. I have a degree in homeopathy and work with MD's and pH. D scientists, she wrote. Rivera did not respond to requests For more information about these doctors and the institution that granted her degree. So that seems above board. Now, the article that I found also included solid data on the human toll taken by this incredibly stupid treatment. It noted that in the last five years, poison control centers nationwide have dealt with 16,521 cases of chlorine dioxide poisoning. 2500 of those cases involve children under 1250 of those cases were life threatening, and eight people died. Now, we don't know how many of those people were autistic or how many of those poisonings involved purposeful MMS ingestion rather than terrible accidents. But they did review a separate FDA database that found the case of a 6 year old autistic girl hospitalized with liver failure from chlorine dioxide exposure in 2017. So it does seem to be happening. So that's cool. That's cool. I mean, I would act like I'm shocked, but. There was a. Tide pod epidemic with people eating that for a while, so it's like. Yeah, I don't even know how much that was real and how much it was people like nobody was taking tide pods to cure their illnesses. Yeah, that was to get ****** ** which is I understand that appeal as dumb as when my friends and I would drink an entire pint glass of tequila to see how much we could vomit. Like it was like, that's dumb and it couldn't land you in the hospital. But you know, it's dumb when you do it. It's like drinking a gallon of milk because you know you'll puke at some point to see how far you can get. You know you're poisoning yourself. You're about to puke. You're gonna put. That's the hope you're going to vomit. Yeah, nobody's like, no drinking a gallon of milk will get rid of that ******* that tumor on your arm or whatever. Well, that is just that's totally different. Yeah, I guess you're right. But it's also like. The bleach thing is, it's just so. Wrong. Like it's so yeah, clearly like this is not like, that's a desperate. It's just a weird to me. It's fascinating that the human brain can do those mental gymnastics to be like, well. This will probably work, yeah? We are incredible animals and by incredible I mean incredibly dumb animals. And I hate us. Now that 2019 NBC article also included the horrible story of Jose Serrano, who was an Indianapolis father who in 2018 called the police several times to complain that his wife was forcing their two year old to drink bleach as an autism cure. The police called CPS who removed the child from the mother's home. Jose and his wife were separated for reasons that I think are explained by the fact that his mom was, or his ex-wife was forcing their child to drink bleach. Communication issues, yeah, yeah, communication issues. Serrano, 29, he was separated from his wife at the time, told NBC News that she had been secretly dosing their daughter in the bathroom to hide it from him and the rest of her family, who all disapproved. She was just frustrated with the autism, Serrano said she learned about the concoction in a Facebook group, according to the police report. She wasn't listening to anybody, Serrano said. When we found out, we told her, her brothers told her. I don't know if she's still in her delusional world, but she's always looking for the solution. Now, which it seems like Jose is actually got a pretty good line on what's going on in these moms head yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, during this episode I have expressed a lot of frustration at busybody mothers who poison their kids because they think they know better than doctors. But it's worth noting that this whole problem has only started to get better, thanks to the equally dogged work of a group of activist moms who were horrified about all of the bleach poisonings. Emma Dalmain is probably the first of these activists. She's a london-based mom with autism herself and with autistic children. So you can see why the cause of stopping charlatans from selling autism cures is rather personal for her. She started her crusade by infiltrating. Jerry Rivera's Facebook groups and making videos about the parent she found poisoning kids in those places. Her work led to a series of 2018 articles in the Daily Mirror, which prompted Facebook to close several of Kerry Rivera's pages quote. But administrators for the banned groups, including Rivera, simply created new private groups and get more carefully vetted would be members. The problem is you managed to get one knocked down and it reopens the next day, but it goes secret, Dalmain said. So unless you've got a good fake profile, which I have, and you're friends with people in these groups, who will tell you where the next secret group is opened. You can't report them. A lot of them I'm not in and will never know about. O. This is the problem. It's it's it's an adjacent problem to the issues of like, Nazis on the Internet and stuff like there's some Zuckerberg problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the people who invented these things, only cared about spreading them as much as possible and never cared about, well, how will they be used? It's the gun industry in a nutshell. Look at all these AR fifteens we're selling, who's buying them? Look at how many we're selling, who's buying them? We're selling so many. Who's buying so many. Many. His posting swastika flags and all their AR50 so many sales. Yeah, ohh it is that. I just. Yeah, yeah. It's such a weird industry. I mean, I understand it's predatory, but to be like. The grift is going after people that are in. A desperate mode, yes, that this one, I don't think. I don't think humble started it. To like his was more like it was purely snake oil because he was. Yeah, he's a straight up snake. *** **** anything. His little you're ******* everything. Yeah, and then this one she's like, no, but that's why I think there is some weird personal thing where she thinks she's figured something out too. Yeah, I think she is more likely to be a true believer than than Jim Humble is. I think Jim Humble just wanted head as a man with a dream of making money by selling bleach water. Yes. Now, you may have noted at this point that it sure seems like Kerry Rivera is not abiding by the promises she made to the Attorney General of Illinois to stop selling bleach water as a treatment. Somebody should really do something about that. Maybe the Attorney General of Illinois. I don't want to tell the guy how to do his job, but it does seem like an issue. Although since Kerry is apparently based in Mexico like all of these grifters eventually are, I don't know how much the Attorney General of Mexico or of Illinois could actually do now dalmain's work. Inspired. They're activists, and these activist moms gradually raised enough awareness that the big companies whose platforms enabled all this horror were forced to take more action. Amazon banned carrier average book from their platform. Finally, in March of 2019, Rivera complained that this deep platforming would, quote, decrease public awareness of her message, and that Amazon was responding to media generated hysteria. Shortly after that, YouTube began a purge of some of Rivera's videos, removing several that directly encouraged the chlorine treatment. YouTube told NBC that the videos had been removed for violating their standards against encouraging activities that, quote, have an inherent risk of physical harm. That's most YouTube videos. Yeah, that is most YouTube videos. It's kind of the whole service at this point. Yeah, because you watched you like, this is going to get somebody hurt or somebody's going to get hurt. Yeah. I mean, that's part of YouTube charm. I love watching ski fails and base jumping fails. Yeah. But yeah, that that seems less harmful than this. Well, that's a choice. Like UFC, I don't mind that, but yeah, yeah, you chose that. Yeah, to be in that situation, friend. Now Yahoo came next, canceling Carrie Rivera's e-mail account after an activist named Eaton emailed the company to let them know Carrie was using the account to push poison on desperate mothers. True to form, Facebook was the very last big company to do the right thing. They deleted Carrie Rivera's public profile, Rivera responded. Facebook wants to destroy our autism self help community. Now 31,000 families that came to this page for advice, questions, and solace have, in essence, been kicked off Facebook. That's not entirely true. See, Kerry Avera still has a personal Facebook page as well as professional pages for her line of diet supplements. She's into the keto thing, so I'm going to guess those are only marginally less toxic than her bleach drinks. So Facebook didn't D platform her, they just said we're not going to platform your bleach drinking business. She also still has a YouTube account and regularly shows up in videos on other people's channels advocating chlorine treatment. I found her in one video that was published this March titled. Healing from the spectrum, it currently has more than 2700 views. The video is a window into a very particular chunk of the Internet crazy people ecosystem. I wanted you to take a look, Billy, at what is actually displayed on the screen while Kerry talks in this video, because it's something else. Why don't you, why don't you try to describe what you're seeing to our readers there? Listeners, not readers. People don't read podcasts. I mean it is it on the left, it looks like 4 books from that you would see from like it looks like an Alex Jones documentary cover, but they're like sacred Word publishing bookstore for truth seekers. Yes. Yes. So I mean I was very right about that. It just, I mean there's the there's always a. There's an all seeing eye on every book cover with the triangle, and then there's skulls and secrets and. It's just a lot of. A lot of that that conspiracy symbolism is all over the books. And then yeah, right, it's mercury poisoning and autism. It isn't a coincidence. And there's a cute little blonde haired boy that looked like he could be my son. And then it says. OK, I'm gonna read. Can you want me to read these out loud? We could just sum it up. There's, like, on the left, it's symptoms of autism and children. On the right, it's symptoms of mercury poisoning in children. And they're the same. Same ones. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That proves it. Yeah. I I believe that the same people who are trying to sell me a copy of the fantastic book secret instructions of the Jesuits know about mercury poisoning. Ohh now, during this interview, Carrie plugs both her keto diet plan and her website about curing autism. I visited the website. The first thing you see is a rip off of the Google logo, but in the name of her site, which is CD autism, followed by the subheading autism. Avoidable, treatable, curable. If you're wondering what CD autism stands for, it stands for chlorine dioxide. So while YouTube has kind of removed some of her videos, she's still allowed to talk to audiences. Thousands of people about chlorine dioxide as long as she does it on other videos and doesn't put chlorine dioxide in the title because algorithms are super good at stopping the spread of toxic behavior. Now, on her website, carrying now claims to have recovered 557 children from autism. Her website includes a link to her speech at the 2019 Autism One Conference, so that's fantastic. In the speech, she brags about a video interview she gave recently that was viewed more than 200,000 times on YouTube. Much of her speech seems to be her complaining Laura Loomer, like about the fact that she has been heavily deep platformed from social media. She includes a quote from Vlahov Havel, a Czechoslovakian politician and dissident. You do not become a dissident just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career. You were thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You were cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well and ends with being branded an enemy of society. No now, no. You have to be in those institutions to be thrown out of to begin with. That's yeah, you have to be doing the work the correct way for them to be like, no, that's you're creating your own martyrdom when you weren't even in the ******* thing. It's that mythos ********. Yeah, and for a little bit of reference about who've lakov Havel was who she's quoting because he's he was an actual dissident. He was a direct democracy advocate, a humanitarian, an early environmentalist, and a fierce opponent of the USSR who invaded his country in the 1960s. He was arrested multiple times. He spent four brutal years in a Soviet prison for his work, which was mostly like writing plays and speaking on the radio. Kerry Rivera, on the other hand, got partly kicked off of several social media sites because they're bleaching. As boys and children, one of these people gets to call themselves a dissident, the other does not. And she does. I think they do. You know what? They do understand the power of language and certain buzzwords because that's a powerful word. Dissident, yes. Yeah. It's it's sort of like how guys like Christopher Cantwell, the crying Nazi from the the Vice Charlottesville documentary, has tried to rebrand Neo Nazism as the dissident right because it makes it sound like there's some something righteous about it rather than like, no, nobody. You're not dissidents. Nobody wants you around because you're ******* Nazis, yes? Yeah, you're not a dissident, Carrie Rivera. Nobody wants you around because you're bleaching children to death, like. Yeah, you're not calling out some wrong and we're constantly being swatted away. You're just being like, hey, stuff needs to be more wrong and people are like, no, no. And you're like, you guys are preventing, yeah, you're holding me back from doing my wrong. One of my real ******* pet peeves is when ****** people use quotes by, like, actual heroes to, like, try and draw a connection between the two. Like from everything I could tell if Lakov Havel was like, pretty righteous dude. Really put his *** on the line for the things he believed in and standing up against a tyrannical regime that was like driving tanks over people like ******* Kerry Rivera. Like I hate you so much. Just like it's just proof you can't pick your fans. Yeah, you can't pick your fans. It's true in stand up as it is. Oh yeah, Jesus Christ is medicine proof. You can't pick your fans either. You think he'd be like, whoa, whoa. You guys are taking a lot of what I did out of context. It would be funny if he came back and was like, no, the only people who got it right are the ones selling bleach, water every. Everyone else is wrong. That would just be so they're smoking inside, start smoking cigarettes. Be like, well, kind of like him now. I kind of. Is a man with a plan kind of funny? It's kind of funny. No, I was turning water into bleach water, not wine. That's a translation error. The guy that wrote that was a drunk you guys. So I think that's most of what I have to say about Kerri Rivera, but we are not done talking about Miracle Mineral solution quite yet because for some reason known only to the dark gods of chaos, no good grift ever truly dies. In the wake of that NBC article, a number of major Ms adherents were spurred to action in order to protect their right to drink bleach and also shoot bleach up the butts of their children. Many of them. I will say this you I think every human should have the right to drink as much bleach. They want 100 percent, 100% where you lose, right? You can't put it in children's butts or make them exactly, exactly. You yourself can drink as much bleach as you want. I will. I will fight for your right to drink bleach on your own time. But not you. Not your kid. Now many of these people who got angry at NBC for attacking the bleach drinking the bleach drinking community. The thing we have in 2019. Many of these people just so happened to be prominent and active members of the Q Anon community. Yeah. That's there we go. Yes, yeah, of course we were going to get there. Ohh yeah, it's ******* beautiful. Jordan Sather, who brands himself on Twitter as a truth warrior and spiritual gangster with more than 90,000 followers, posted this on May 21st. YouTube removed my video on Ms three weeks ago, which was the most popular truthful video on YouTube about it. Now the media is ramping out up their disinfo propaganda against Ms since their truth insert lies. That's how they've always done it. Now, in their spots to this tweet, another Q Anon fan named Keck, Jackson replied. I'm actually drinking MMS right now for strep and guess what? It's working. **** you, big Pharma and your fake news BS. Come on, that's drinking bleach down. It's working. **** you. It stopped me. And you know what? I'm actually fine with all of this. Yes. Like these people like it. Well, I'd be fine with it if I didn't suspect most of them had kids that they were also feeding bleach to. But like this Keck Jackson sitting alone at his laptop and drinking bleach fine with it. Yeah, and that makes me happy on some level where you're just like, well, this is good. Yeah, now, Jordan Sather shot back to that tweet with the response. Quote, I've drank MSA. A chlorine dioxide. Brushed my teeth with it, breathed it, cleaned with it, used it topically. If MMS was a toxic bleach, I should be dead. Sorry, FDA and fake news media, you lose this one. So. It looks like the bleach drinking subculture still has quite a bit of gas left in the tank. It's hard to believe that if you, if you will, if you're susceptible to drinking bleach, that it's also hard to convince you that it's not good for you. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you'd be incredibly shocked. Stubborn if you're like, Nah, bleach is good. It's good. No, bleach is going to heal me. Yeah, you're just, like puking blood and you're like, that's it's the process. It's the healing ******* worms coming out of me. One of your eyes pops out. It's part of it. It's part of part of the process. Ohh boy. **** you a **** you, FD. I'm gonna keep drinking bleach. ******* amazing people are such remarkable creatures. Well, it's like the lady that died drinking water on the radio. But at least she was trying to win a game cube, like, at least that makes sense to a degree. Like she wanted a free game cube and didn't think water would kill her, that is. I mean, that is a good point. We like it's water. And like, well, it does kill people a lot. And she would have won a free game Cube. Like, nobody who's drinking dollars right there. Yeah. There was more to she had more to gain than anyone drinking bleach. Yeah. And she actually died. The rest of them are like I drink bleach all the time. I'm fine. And like, well, drink more of it. It does lead me to believe that if we started offering a free Xbox for the people who could drink the most bleach, we might get rid of a lot of our worst voters. Like, Oh my God. That that that could work. Or like a free show on Fox News. Like you get your own show if you drink the most bleach. You get your own Fox News show if you can drink the most bleach. And like we took care of a lot of nonsense today if we wanted to like, provide our own equally evil response to like far right voter suppression efforts and a lot of the South. Like that's how we could do it. Three haircuts and bleach. Free haircuts and bleach. Oh Jesus. Ah alright well Billy that's that's my whole script about. The bleach drinking church and bleach drinking subculture. I will say this about both the episodes I've been on. All four, I guess, but the two stories? Is. It's like pop music where I'll never be. I'll never write a good pop song because I have too much faith in humanity to write it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm always like this. No one would ever like this nonsense. And then you hear a pop song and people like, this is good and it only says just nonsense. But like, this is the same thing where it was like, I would never think that human beings would. This would be something I could sell them. Yeah, and that's there's an element of respect that you have to have for Jim Humble for just being the guy who was like. What can I claim as medicine so that I can make money selling people ******* bleach? Bleach like like essential oils, is an easy con. Like like everyone likes the way they smell like people like nice scents. That's why incense has been a popular industry for ******* 20,000 years like this. Only thing we know about it is it's bad. Bleach is bad for humans. That's the one thing we know about it. And he's like, I think I can sell this to drink. I think I could get people drink at this ****. And he was ******* right. He was right. And you know what? It is that? Yes. The thing is what bothers me is the one that came along. Let's give it to. I know it was a fun thing until then. I was really enjoying this subculture until you brought defenseless children into it. You can't come on. Of course they'll drink it. They have. Do come on. Yeah, they have to. You ruined the fun thing that Jim was doing. The fun thing you ruined bleach drinking for all of us. Carrie Rivera, *** **** you. Jim Humble was just a decent billion year old God Navy Man who wanted to teach people the wonders of bleach drinking because you had zapped with knowledge because he got zapped with electric knowledge by aliens. Although he says in the video that he thinks they're actually trying to hinder him from his discovery of a of miracle mineral solution. I mean, he's got a lot of stuff going on, that much knowledge, just constant. There's a big old war going on at Jim Humble's mind if there is something going on in there and both sides are in on it. Ohh, Billy Wayne, you want to plug your plug cables? Yes, you can buy my album at thirdmanrecords.com thirdmanstore.com and then BWD tour for all my dates upcoming I'm going to Providence, RI, Zanies in Nashville a couple other places. Just look it up. And then Billy went Davis on all the socials. Billy Wayne Davis on all the socials by his album. It will cure your Crohn's disease. No, what it will do is if you've been drinking. It will heal you from from that, from the bleach. Drinking? That's a good idea. Drinking, but it won't. If you put it in your ****. It won't do anything for that. Just orally. Yeah, yeah it will. It will. It will cause you horrible intestinal distress, much like drinking bleach. You eat it, yes. Don't eat albums. Don't eat, don't eat bleach. But you know what you can eat. If you go to behindthebastards.com, find the sources for this episode, print them out, and eat that cellulose contains valuable digestive fibers and carbon. There's carbon. Carbon. Everyone needs carbon. Everyone needs carbon. So you can also go to Twitter and find me at I write OK? And print out my tweets and eat them. Same benefits. You can print out tweets and Instagram pages from at ******** pod. You can also buy shirts from tea public as well as, you know, cups and stuff you, all of which you can eat and gain unspecified medical benefits from. So and you can find the go fund me where you can send Robert and I to Haiti so we can become Reverend. You're you're right. You could find the go fund me Reverend Dr account so that so that we could become Reverend Dr Billy Wayne Davis and Reverend Doctor Robert Evans. It's got a ring because it's got a ******* ring to it. Yeah. Yeah, all right. Sophie, have I forgotten anything? No, she says. No. Have I remembered anything? Said yes. Fantastic. It looks like it's the end of the episode. ******* turn off your headphones and go. Huggy cat. 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