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Sisters of the Underground is a podcast about fearless Dominican women who stood up against the brutal dictator Kapal Trujillo. He needs to be stopped. We've been silent and complacent for far too long. I am Daniel Ramirez, and I said Dominicana myself. I am proud to be narrating this true story that is often left out of the history books through your has blood on his hands. Listen to sisters of the underground wherever you get your podcasts. What's patrolling my borders? I'm Robert Evans. Hosted behind the ********. This is behind the ********. The podcast will tell you bad people talk about them. Katie stole Cody Johnson. How are you guys doing today? Still great. Quick answer to question racists or patrol your borders? Yes, yes they are. Whether or not they're in Border Patrol actually matter doesn't matter pretty much. That matter from the top down. Boy, you know. Uh, sure. Seems like 2020 is going to be the worst year of everyone's life. The worst year ever. Ever. I could, I could agree more, but I'll just agree. Agree with you completely. What if we, what if we? What have we spitballing here, what have we produced? A weekly podcast through the entirety of the election, talking about the stuff people are leaving out, going to places other people don't go to the convention. Yeah, avoiding mentioning, you know. The president, yeah, so much like, talked about talking about policies, policies, important things people left behind, maybe injecting methamphetamine into our butts and going to CPAC. Oh God, yeah, what if what if we did that? Everything dream come true. You think we should do that? I should do it on the spot. Sure. OK, cool. You know what I what I what I love doing and what super professional is holding, holding pitch meetings like this at the start of my show. Where the magic happens, that is where the that's how it does, you know. And and we're actually legally forbidden from talking not on microphones to each other, right? This is the only place we could have had mine implanted. So which. Very cool move. Everything's recorded. Check out our other podcast, just catching up with each other as friends. Chords. So my my night time sleeping snore sounds is really taking off. I I think the Cody and I discussed our sciatica episode was a real. It's real. It's real good. Yeah. I've got some good stretches for you guys. Yeah, that that's the title of another episode. Well, I guess we're doing that. I guess is that our, our soft way of saying we're going to do that? We're going to do a weekly podcast about the election called the worst year of everyone's life? Yeah. This is gonna happen. Check it out. Check it out a little bit later this year now. Not even particularly close to now, but but like sometime soonish we look forward to sometime in the Q3 ISH yeah maybe Q4 earning the worst year everybody's life with you Umm Hooray this sounds great. You know what else sounds great is I doubt our what the product surely crippling was gonna say the Shirley crippling addictions that we will inculcate covering this nightmare of an election or are they going to be worse than my already existing addiction they have to be already checked myself into rehab. December 2020. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. And I I've already started asking random guys under bridges if they have Adderall. So this is this is where I've got Adderall. Oh, fantastic. Yeah. We are so on the ball. Look at this. Look at this team. You know what? And I've been stockpiling Benzedrine inhalers. You just pop those things out, drop them in your water, and that's just that's 70s speed right there. Professional. Yep. Doing it right, CPAC, Sophie, you're going to be some sort of hand signal. Was that name more drugs? But we have a show to do that people tuned in, wanting to hear more about the racists of the border. I guess we could OK the show. Fine. You know what? Fine. Chris Simcox was the first person to tap effectively into a very particular chunk of the American conservative consciousness. People had tried to run volunteer border militias before, and there had been militias for decades, but no one had managed to make that sort of behavior go mainstream because all the prior leaders of those sorts of movements had been insane people, outright Nazis or insane outright Nazis. Chris Simcox was a clean cut, all American looking guy. He helped the militia movement go mainstream. Here's the nation's coyote. Thank you, Cody. As the Republican Party has fractured over immigration, Simcox has become a hero of the build a wall, deport them all faction of the GOP. Earlier this year, he shed his camouflage fatigues for a suit and tie as a featured panelist at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington DC, The nation's largest gathering of conservative political activists. An increasing portion of his time is spent at fundraisers and forums far away from the border he once swore to defend by any means necessary. Chris had enough charisma to be able to effectively work a crowd. That nation article recounts a speech he gave during a Republican Party fundraiser at Wild Bills, a nightclub in Atlanta. I want you to remember as I read this, that it happened all the way back in 2006. The odor of pulled pork spread a mighty Tang as members of Georgians for immigration reduction hawked T-shirts bearing the image of a snarling bald eagle above the slogan. Ill Eagles foul up my country. 1 ******* guests. How foul this smell. Ohh wow, I I desperately want one of those shirts. I will wear it everyday. That's what I'll wear to CPAC. Yeah, the Internet. You have to wear that. Cpac. Oh my God. I will wear it for the four days before CPAC. So it's like filthy. And then we'll shoot methamphetamine into our butts and go to CPAC. It's going to be amazing. I'm gonna have so many ladies by then. So exciting. So good. Alright, it's all Cody can talk about. I'm excited about all the lanyard the crowd warmed up for Simcox by listening to the Wright brothers. A country rock duo build has Shawn Hannity show put to music. That's their, that's their billing. That's what they go on, their music, what goes through what. That's not a subscription that I'm looking them up. I'm not even through the paragraph and there's tears in my eyes. We're still talking about the Wright brothers. Good one, donned black sombrero with gold tassels, have dedicated a song called the Illegals to Chris Simcox the not so catchy chorus tell me, why do we allow the illegals? After all, they're illegal, so why do we allow the illegals to keep on coming in? No rhyme illegal with a legal that's so bad. Oh my gosh, I didn't show up. What an insane that's so perfect because, like, it's it's so bad in so many ways because like, obviously the message is like, well, that's not good. That's Sean Hannity's show. But then, like, rhyming illegals. Illegals. It's so inelegance. Like, Oh yeah, the other aspect of Sean Hannity. Yeah, she's really dominated, you know, I can't. They're really embracing it. Sean Hannity, yeah, she's really dominated, you know, account. They really embracing it. ******* incredible. Amazing. As the music faded, simcock strolled onto stage to raucous cheers. America's top vigilante spoke slowly and with a hint of condescension, almost as if addressing a roomful of five year olds. When you put people in lawn chairs on the border and amazing thing happens, Simcox said. No one comes across. As he spoke, giant screens behind him displayed ghostly Night vision, images of immigrants marching through the desert, water jugs piled beneath a Mesquite tree, and the decomposing corpses of desert crossers. What the fudge sounds like. He's a cool guy. Very cool dude. It sounds like he is a guy. Yeah, you know, you see all those videos of like, migrants crossing the border and they go to the Border Patrol and they're dying and dehydrated. And then you see the Border Patrol agents take jugs of water and pour them out in front of the. Sounds like something nice people do. OK. Cool people. OK. Yeah, I just wanted to. I just wanted to make sure. You OK? Yeah, I mean that we, we, we, we should at some point do an episode on the the terrible things the Border Patrol is actually like. They're just, there's like there's a lot to talk about with this individual. Focusing guys this there's just sounds similar can head on a swivel Cody similar. Are you. I'm Jesus. OK OK. Jesus Christ. Now, as the early aughts rolled along, Chris Simcox became more controversial within his group. Many accused him of taking donations to finance his own lifestyle. He earned the nickname the Little Prince for allegedly being a complete prick and control freak for being a little French boy on a moon. Fancy boy. Little fancy boy. The formula. Pity. Pros. Yeah. Little, little Lord furor Roy. Yeah. Ohh, nice. Very well, not really. Actually, it's a little mediocre. We'll make a T-shirt out of it, obviously. Yeah, but I'm not going to throw the bagels over that. I understand. Which right now, since I've mentioned them. Like, I don't know if you've heard of Chekhov's gun. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, as a result, the Minutemen splintered more and more. This was not entirely a bad thing. More than 50 different groups eventually formed all around the US, and for years they held regular border patrolling events. Most of these were on the US Mexico border, but Chris's Minuteman chapter did send a few guys up to the Canadian border to sit in lawn chairs and watch for dastardly Canadian infiltrators. I think the only people they caught were Americans trying to sneak into Canada. At its peak, the Minuteman project had more than 12,000 members, and that was just in the main official group. Gilchrist and Simcox remained the primary faces of the movement, but starting in 2006, they began to share the stage with someone else. A 41 year old woman named Shawna Ford. Y'all heard a Shana Ford you're ******* about to she afford? Or she just person named Ford? No, no, no, she's not at all related to the the Motor Company spelled different. There's an E at the end. Ford's first operation was actually one of the watches in the US Canada border, which was close to her home at the time. Bellingham, WA. After the watch, she wound up at a party at the home of Bob Dameron, the Washington state Minutemen leader. While everyone was eating dinner, she was caught alone in the Dameron's bedroom, looking through a dresser for pain pills. She was kicked out of the house, but allowed to remain in the group. This is because Shawna was kind of a superstar minute man or woman or whatever whatever term you want to use. A person. Minute person. She showed up at every event, and she was the kind of person who just sort of. Culminated any conversations he was in in such a way that within a few weeks she become one of the most prominent members of the group. She was especially active on the Minutemen e-mail list. The line, according to the Herald, a local Washingtonian news source. Quote. In a lengthy August 20th, 2006 e-mail, she described being attacked by a group of men she said they were Mexicans outside of a Seattle Starbucks. The men were enraged after seeing signs against immigration piled inside her car. Ford wrote about fighting herself face to face with a pair of dark brown eyes filled with pure hate. One man, she wrote. Wanted to rape me or kill me? Probably both. Just before the confrontation got physical, though, Ford said she was saved by a group of U.S. Army soldiers in full uniform who happened to be in the area. Did everybody clap? I'm sure they all clap, I'll say in a little bit of defense to her. I have seen a lot of U.S. Army soldiers in full uniform in, well, U.S. Navy in Seattle during Fleet Week, but they were all so drunk they couldn't stay and trying to **** everything that moved as Marines and Navy personnel do. So she may be like. Gutter signals crossed and, like, misinterpreted what they were showing up for. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I this is all a lie. I mean, clearly a lie. I mean, I feel like, yeah, I'm gonna guess, like, Seattle's racial makeup being it what it is like any group of Hispanics and that, like, city are probably like members of the US military who are like, you were saying that I was like, I bet someone with brown eyes, one person saw her sign, was like, hey, man, that's not cool. And then shouting about it and she was. And someone was like, that's your bad person. And then a bunch of ***** sailors came up and was like, anybody here, you know, that's that's the grain of truth I got from that. Yeah. Is a literally anything bothering you right now? I know what. I'll make you feel better because I'm drunk as **** and it's Fleet Week. Oh, it's a fun time. Oh, it's time for ads. Also. Maybe ads for the Navy. Sean Hannity of transition stads. Anyway, it's ads time. Join the Navy. Get drunk in Seattle. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. You're opening the bill to find all these nuts fees. There's no luring you in with free subscriptions or streaming services that you'll forget to cancel and then be charged full price for none of that. 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If you want to start your LASIK plus journey, you can get $1000 off when treated in September. That's 500 per eye. So visitmylasikoffer.com to schedule your free. Consultation now. We're back. We were just, we were just talking off off Mike about cool political ideals we have that you could hear about on the hypothetical podcast that's definitely coming if we definitely probably are going to for sure do that. Yeah, well we'll definitely most likely absolutely be talking about what we just talked about and you guys can TuneIn then. It was weird that it wasn't recorded. It was weird that it wasn't recorded. Let's talk about Shana Ford some more. Awesome. Yeah. Shannon became quickly the minutemen's de facto spokeswoman, regularly talking to press on behalf of the organization. This did not go over super well with all of the actual leadership of the group, who felt that Shannon was basically just shouting her way into power. Gilchrist, Simcox, and the organization's other leadership got together and voted to fire her. Bob Dameron was instructed to actually do the deed in November of 2006, after she finished participating in a local television town council discussion on illegal immigration, the Ameron later recalled. I told her I was told to fire her. I also told her I couldn't do it. Shaken, Ford drove home where she tried to, but she rammed a guardrail in her Honda Civic and was taken to the hospital with minor injuries. This much we can confirm. The Washington State Patrol said she crashed when a truck, which was obeying all the rules of the road, pulled in front of her. The State Patrol seems to put the blame on her for driving like a ******** but in Ford's recitation of events, the truck drivers ran her off the road. And of course, they were Mexicans. Yeah, she's she's. Yeah. Can we the person that can't take responsibility for themselves? It's cool. Especially when they become part of a heavily armed militia. That's the best thing, the best kinds of responsible people trying to end it all. I don't know. I think she was trying to have a minor car accident so she could claim Mexicans were trying to murder her. Is there any way to confirm or deny those drivers were Mexican? All hmm. Yeah, I'll deny it. Yeah, I'm going to say. Driving 40 or 50,000 miles a year, as I do, especially up in the Pacific Northwest, I don't see a lot of truck drivers who aren't old white dudes, but she seems to run into them all. Yeah, she does seem to run into them all. This attempt on her life was enough to delay Ford's firing. In January 2007, she took the opportunity to approach Chris Simcox directly. She told him that her states Minutemen group leaders were ****** and disorganized. She said she could do better when she had a whole plan laid out for how to fix things. Simcox promoted her to a state level leadership position. Shana took to leadership like a dog takes to a fajita that fell on the floor. She quickly came up with new stories of assassination attempts against her, including the claim that she had been shot in the arm during another attack by dastardly villains of vaguely Hispanic origin. She's told anyone who listened that she fully expected to die for the cause. All this impressed Jim Gilchrist. In early 2008, he made her the Minuteman projects Border Patrol coordinator. She moved to Arizona and started her own independent minded Man Group called Minutemen against American Defense when she was kicked out of the original Minuteman. Shortly after moving down to Arizona for being a crazy person, Gilchrist sent her volunteers though, calling her one tough lady, and soon she had around 20 armed volunteers at her beckon call. In her own personal little Minuteman militia, Ford began to claim that she'd started an undercover operation to infiltrate drug dealers on the border. Gilchrist started to worry that she was going to get murdered, which seems to have been her goal throughout 2008. Shana Ford took to calling Kathy Dameron Bob's wife at all hours of the day and night, claiming that her life was in danger and shadowy figures were hunting her. Shawna would regularly. Let the call suddenly, just to make things seem even scarier. I must say real quick, she seems like a toxic friend that you don't want to have in your life. Sure. Does real energy drain? Yeah, I think people would be well served to just cut that tie. Move on. Anyway, some editorializing winner ex-husband was shot by an intruder in their Everett, Arizona home that December. The case is still unsolved and the next week Shana went to the police and claimed that a Latino gang had raped her. That case was eventually dropped due to a lack of evidence. In January, Ford called Kathy. And in mid call claimed to have suddenly been shot. Kathy did not hear any gunfire over the line. Why is someone that gun violence and there's so much fake gun? My God. Like one real one obvious happened to her husband. We don't know. Yeah, yeah, he's fine. He's fine. Did she shoot her husband? I don't know. He shot himself. Seems like something like, maybe she shot her husband and they called the cops. I mean, home invasions do happen, but like, yeah, just given everything else, it seems like it might have been something she's around. Literally made everything else up. Exactly. Yeah. So that phone call, which was super sketchy, and the fact that Shannock stole Kathy's pain pills whenever she visited made the Dammeron slowly stopped trusting her. Cameron sounds like a pill she would take. I mean, Demerol is ******* awesome. Here's how Kathy relates Shawna reacting when she got caught. Pill handed. She said. I've been busted, haven't I? I said yes you have. She said I'm sorry mom. I said not good enough. So I'm sorry mom. Yeah, I think that was like you're like nickname or she was being weird trying to act like a kid. Not by this relationship. You're about to be disturbed her. In February 2008, the Herald published an article revealing that Shana had a history of childhood felonies. They went to Jim Gilchrist for comment. His initial response was actually pretty reasonable, saying he respected her for turning her life around. And then he said this. She is no whiner. She is a stoic struggler who has chosen to put country, community and yearning for a civilized society ahead of avarice and self glorifying ego. In 2009, Stoic struggler Shana Ford cooked up a plan. She had identified someone she believed to be a drug dealer in Aravaca, a small border town. Shawna reasoned that this monster was getting drugs from Mexico. If she robbed him and took his drugs and money, she could use them to fund the expansion of her border militia. Solid Galaxy brain plan, right? You should probably take the drugs because she ran out of her friend's pills. Yeah? You know what stops drug dealers robbing them? That's the one thing that they're like, I'm out. Being Breaking Bad, my God. In mid-May, Shun traveled to Colorado to recruit, to recruit a few good men to help her carry out this scheme. Here's how tucson.com describes what happened next. At that meeting in a truck stop near Denver, Ford drew a map. It wasn't specific, pointing to an individual house, but it gave a generic impression of the area she meant to hit. Ron widow and Robert Copley, two of the men she was recruiting, kept the map and handed it over to Chris Anderson, an FBI agent in Colorado for whom they were acting as informants. This is where the bureaucratic problems happened. Anderson said he passed the information to the FBI in Phoenix. The FBI in Phoenix apparently did nothing. Eventually, it even destroyed the map. On May 30th, 2009, Shana Ford and two of her militiamen showed up after midnight at the home of Raul Flores, Gina Gonzalez, and their nine year old daughter Brisenia. Shawna and her men posed as Border Patrol officers. They accused Flores of harboring illegal immigrants and told him his house was surrounded. Flores let them in, thinking there were cops. Shawna believed that Raul was a drug dealer, so she started combing his home for drugs and cash. There was only one problem. Raul was not a drug smuggler. His house had nothing valuable in it. So Shawna and her men stole Gina's jewelry. Then they executed Raul Flores with a gunshot to the chest. They shot his wife next three times and while she begged for her life, they blew 9 year old brasenia's head off. Now Gina survived the gunshots and played dead until Shawna and her men left. Then she got up, called 911, and grabbed her husband's shotgun. For some reason, Shana and her people reentered, probably planning to search another part of the House for drugs. Gina opened fire, wounding one of the gunmen and causing them all to run like the gutless **** ****** they were. Cool. Wow. That really upset. Yeah. Yeah, it's the, it's, I mean, it's the only logical extent of what these people are doing. Yeah. No, we didn't find what we need. I'm gonna kill you. Yeah. The, the, The big bar in aravaca like, the the the center of this little town, like, has signs that, like, specifically say no militia, like, no Border Patrol, like, fake people are allowed in the bar. Like, we we we we don't want any of this ******* ******** anymore. Like, there's a for all the stuff we talked about, there's like a logical progression. And it's like the people they claim to be protecting who live on the border actually despise all the people doing this because they just bring trouble and they're like, undisciplined, violent nuts. Yeah. Shawna and her compatriots were all convicted of murder. Shana was sentenced to death in 2011. Gina also sued the FBI for having clear evidence that Shana Ford planned to violently attack people and doing nothing with it. The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that she had no grounds to sue for this. According to tucson.com, the argument that really stuck was that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, the federal government can't be sued over the exercise or performance or failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty. The decision of whether or not to notify local law enforcement was a discretionary. Act, she said in her decision. They're not required to let law enforcement know that someone's planning a violent break in of a house in their area, so they can't be policy. Yes, sounds like a terrible policy. What if they were allowed to do that? What if they were required to tell local law enforcement when and up with the militia is talking about attacking people's homes and drawing maps of where she plans to hit? I don't have the names of these, the current militia situation going on, the names of people, so I'm talking generally, but the leader. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. OK, I'll save it then. But it ties in with this. Sorry, that's OK. OK. It's OK. In 2010, the year before Shanus trial, Chris Simcox ran for Senate. Little picture Chris Simcox get the **** out of here, Chris Simcox I. We trust that guy. You trust him? Yeah. He was attacked from the right for his seemingly moderate views on illegal immigrants. Chris had started to support adding a new pathways for citizenship to make immigration easier for people fleeing desperate circumstances with whom he claimed to sympathize. He was also attacked for the MCDC's financial irregularities, chief among them the fact that hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars, had probably been funneled directly into his pocket in spite of the fact that he officially drew no salary. Weirdly, what wasn't a huge issue was that as early as 2005, the Southern Poverty Law Center had reported that Simcox's first. Ex-wife had accused him of trying to sexually molest their 14 year old daughter. Not long after that, his second ex-wife accused him of violent, abusive behavior. She testified in court that he once took a knife from the kitchen and threatened to kill himself. When he was angry, he broke furniture car windows. He banged his head against the wall repeatedly and punched things Simcox repeatedly. Vehemently denied all allegations. He continued to do so right up until the moment. In June of 2013, he was arrested on multiple counts of molesting and ****** several of his own daughters. Here's the Phoenix New Times quote. Two of the daughters who took the stand are under the age of 10. Both are his children with ex-wife Alena Simcox. One of them alleges sexual abuse. The third daughter is an adult, his child from a previous marriage, who alleges that Simcox molested her on three separate occasions when she was young. I'm so angry, cool dude, Chris Simcox, patriot. This is the part where I don't know. I don't know what to say. Yeah, what what is there to say? So upsetting. It's so gross. Yeah, I'm not going to go into detail about what Chris did other than to say that this Border Patrol and clean shaven conservative patriot repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughters. In 2016, he was sentenced to 19 1/2 years in prison. Should have been 40-40, with Shana convicted of murder and Chris convicted of serial child molestation. Jim Gilchrist was left at the as the only Minuteman leader not in prison for committing numerous horrific crimes, and he's still active. 2016 vice article caught up with Gilchrist. He told them he takes credit for the conservative obsession with border control that metastasized into the presidency of Donald Trump and his wall. Jim also resurrected the Minutemen back in 2014 after his co-founder was arrested for being a pedophile. So the Minutemen are still a presence in American political discourse. That said, time has largely moved past them, and we're going to talk about what time has moved on towards. But first we're going to talk about products. What else though? Services. And you know what? I forgot to do this, but I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to act on my anger over the crimes of Kristen Cox and Shanna Ford by tossing the bagel. Good on you for moving those troops. Look at where I toss it. So this could be real bad. No. They just came right back. Almost perfect. 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It was getting too tired, real abrupt, and act of cruelty to our our our engineer Daniel, who's done nothing but be helpful to me and bash Taylor Swift and bash Taylor Swift. So I have these bagels and I've been tossing them. We have these sound boards on the wall that that act to bounce sound around somehow. I don't understand what they're for. I've been tossing them mostly, which is why it's been bouncing back to me, which makes sense. But we also have, on the end of this recording studio, for reasons that are inexplicable to me, a glass door leading out to a porch, which is not standard in most recording studios. I'm going to try chucking them as hard as I can at the glass door, just to see what happens. No, it's happening. Sophie, I'm sorry. Oh. That is flying sound. That was a good sound who's gonna be great on the podcast content. So if you look at you love him around here, he can do what he wants. Yeah, is there? Ohh God no. All the yes, the the people who built that, like, soundproof that porch, sealed it with toxic chemicals and didn't let it off. Just want to make sure someone open that door. Thing we're not allowed to do is throw bagels out that door. The door to the like walled off porch in our recording studio is filled with poison. This is such a great student. Yeah. It keeps on your toes. I don't understand the problem. I might throw them again. Yeah. What do you might? Well, you know, Anderson, fear is the mind killer, the little death that causes me to throw bagels. I think that's how it was. Yeah. That's the IT was from Dune, right? Yeah. So it goes. Big Bagel fan Frank Herbert. OK. So bagel, right. Yes. We'll keep on to this. So, as I said, time has moved past the Minutemen. But their influence echoes in much of what's going on right now with the border. In May of 2018, Michael Meyer, founder of a militia called Veterans on Patrol, posted a video of himself walking through a homeless encampment in Tucson. Like Chris Simcox, Michael gave the government an ultimatum. They had until noon tomorrow to investigate the site, according to BuzzFeed quote. He then turned the camera around towards a tree with straps attached to it, declaring this is a rape tree. They're painted a grim picture. The straps on the tree were not used to secure parts of a makeshift homeless encampment. Instead, they were restraints for holding children in place while they were sexually abused by cartel members. He claimed the space dug into the ground was in fact a prison cell for the children, and various other items of trash and debris at the site proved to mire that sick **** had been going on there. This is a child sex trafficking camp that no one wants to talk about, that no one wants to do anything about, he said. What do you think it is? Information. This information the video quickly racked up hundreds of thousands of views, and Meyers claims were even repeated by a number of local news stations. Infowars and other similar conspiracy outlets were happy to run with the tail, and it quickly got woven into the broader pizza gate Qanon family of conspiracies. But the idea of rape trees did not start with Meyer. Here's a video child murderer Shana Ford posted in 2009. Yeah, Sean faux. There's a coyote who uses this very specific trail. This is his territory. He brings his people through here and they'll pick out who they want out of the group. They'll bring them to a separate location. They will rape them. They will rip their underwear off and take their bras off. They make them leave them behind and then they throw them on trees. It's a trophy. Women do not leave their garments laying around. Most women come on, girls. We all know that. We tuck them and put them away somewhere. We're not just going to throw them out. It doesn't matter if you're out in the middle of the wilderness or not, women tend to be very modest. Their undergarments. So what a traditional layup site is, is backpacks. Clothing changes just all kinds of items here. No backpacks, no mail items, nothing. That's a traditional layup. So this is a genuine rape tree and a genuine rape spot. Trees, historically a thing? No, I mean, outside of a True Detective season one, her evidence is that women tend to be modest. Yeah, that's your evidence. That rape tree? That's their child murderer and disciple of a pedophile. I take my bra off and leave it places whenever I can. Ditto. Unbelievable. These weirdos. These *******. If you're looking for a psychopath, these people there, there's such a bizarre cross section of this, like, obsession with like, there's like a kid sex cult going on. Also there's the immigrant thing, but also it's like a kid sex. And also the government is in on it and I'm gonna molest my own kids. Kids, I'm probably gonna like, be a child burger. I'm gonna murder a bunch of people. But like, these people are people there. It's sick. Cults of 6 Shana Ford, who ordered the execution. Child murder of a 9 year old worried about rape trees. According to Harold Shapiro, author of a book about vigilante border patrols quote for the Minutemen, the rape trees are a powerful symbol of the Mexican males immorality and simultaneously imbue their own actions with valor. By patrolling the border, the volunteers are not just defending America, but women. And not just American women, but all women, even the ones who are illegal until they shoot them in. Until they try to execute them. But because she's a ****** she fends them off with a shotgun, which is. It's terrible. It's an it's the worst thing that can possibly have. And then, like, they can't even do the suit that she tried to bring her. Unbelievably infuriating and terrible. In October of 2017, the FBI public access line received reports of militia activity in Flora Vista, NM, according to a government complaint which I initially found shared by activist Emily Gorczynski on Twitter. Quote. In October 2017, the FBI public access line Powell received reports of alleged militia extremist activity in Flora, Vista, NM. Information was conveyed relating to a group that called itself the United Constitutional Patriots, located at Lakeside Ranch Trailer Park in Flora, Vista, NM. the United Constitutional Patriots was led by their so-called commander Larry Hopkins, who also went by the alias of Johnny Horton Junior. Information was also conveyed that the group had its base at Hopkins's residence, was supported by approximately 20 members, and was armed with AK47 rifles and other firearms. Witnesses reported seeing members of the United Constitutional Patriots bearing firearms at Hopkins's residence. Hopkins also allegedly made the statement that the United Constitutional Patriots were training to assassinate George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama because of these individual support of Antifa. Cool. This story kills me now when you find evidence that a convicted felon lives in a house with multiple firearms. Convicted felon that impersonated. Just like the people who murdered that 9 year old and that innocent man. When you when you hear about that these people illegally have guns and are planning to murder a former president, a former Secretary of State, a random private person, and presumably some Antifa people, what would you, what would you guess law enforcement would do? I think in this situation, they'd walk away for a couple of years or a year and a half and some change, and then come back last week and arrest him because they. Posted some videos online and everybody got upset. Yeah. Kind of like how they threw away that map to where Shana Ford was planning to Rob and murder people. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. The FBI just kind of moved on with their lives and forgot about it. Left this felon with weapons and stuff, but it comes back to this thing. So the FBI doesn't necessarily have to report this to law enforcement at their discretion. It's at their discretion. But this was OK because something that I'd read is like, he was like, no, no, these guns, they all belong to my common law wife. Yeah, he did. Say that. So that's OK that that makes it. OK OK, then let's make that actually. Yeah. You just can't have guns in the house. Yeah. If you're convicted felon who pretends to be a police officer and is. Yeah. And is now. So they they they saw the videos. We're getting traction and they. Yeah. Yeah. Almost two years later, in April of 2019, Pictures and video went viral of a group of heavily armed American militiamen with AR fifteens body armor and skull print Balaclava stopping a group of 200 migrants at the border and holding them until police arrived. These men were part of United constitutional Patriots. The leader was Larry Hopkins. Hopkins claimed that they had detained 5600 people in the last two months. The video of their arrest went viral and it seems to have finally prompted the FBI to do something about Larry Hopkins and his illegal guns. They arrested him a few days later that after the video went viral. This is his mugshot and it's look at that. Oh yeah, look at that, look at that mug shot. Beautiful. It's quite, quite the mug shot. We talked about it briefly on the podcast this week and I just didn't know how to describe it. He looks like a convicted felon who would probably murder and rape people. Like sort of like washed up country singer. Restore 10:00 AM in Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. OK. That's a really good coach. He looks like, yeah, that's exactly right. But his eyes will never open for more than that ever again. He he looks like who you would cast if you needed someone to play a drunk 70 year old Elvis. Yeah, yeah. It's a bad picture down. It's like Elvis impersonator. And they chose the nicest picture and they chose a good one. Yeah. For the press photo. So Larry is at least behind bars for a little while, but less than a week. Before the recording of this episode, something else happened behind the barristers. Sorry, go ahead. Thank you. Sorry. Russell Pierce, a former member of the Arizona State Senate, spoke at a patriotism over socialism rally in Gilbert, AZ. He shared the stage with Laura Loomer and spoke about the border crisis, noting that it may take the shedding of blood to keep this Republic. And I for 1:00 AM willing to do whatever it takes. In their coverage of his remarks, Fox News noted, was not clear what Pierce, now an employee at the Maricopa County Treasurer, was speaking about. Was it not? I think I may have an idea. He's talking about doing what Channel 4 did. Also hard to personal loomer come on, bottom of the barrel, do an episode on her *******. No, she doesn't. She doesn't. It doesn't deserve it. Deserve it. But I mean Simcash definitely is a *******. So Shana Ford. So I said this before you started recording, but I do appreciate a female ******* because like I said before the recording that you guys weren't here for, I I do think it's sexist. Our knee jerk reaction, like or our thought that like, oh, women are better than men. No. Women can suck. Women can suck too. Women can suck balls. They can also. I mean, that's not bad. Or not necessarily. Yeah, that's that's a neutral some sometimes I was using it. Nothing to do with sex. Yeah, I was not. But yeah, I see that. I can't look at one pump once, right there, right in front of you. Women. Yeah. Oh. Oh, I get it now. Do you get? No. I thought it was purely about coffee-mate. No one I could see. Why. You think I get it? You probably have to cut this out. One stroke. One. Come. I get it now. They come on the show. OK, good. I mean, I'm hoping to get on to come town. I still don't know what come town is. Never gonna listen to an episode. Great title and the come boys. That's funny. That makes me giggle. Don't know what it is. Don't plan to listen. Don't need to know. What I do plan to do is toss these bagels one last time. Now, where? Not Sophie, but where do the people who aren't Sophie want me to toss this? That I haven't yet? Selfies, Sophie. No, I'm not throwing up, Sophie. Ohh the roof. That's a good idea, because anything can happen on the roof. There's there's drinks, there's computers. Oh, this is good. Glass, by the way. It was good. They fell behind me. Ohh, I was hoping it was gonna do some damage, but no, you're barely alive by the baby. Next person that walks on that glass ceiling, there is a glass ceiling. There's glass ceiling, and it freaks me there's a glass ceiling. Recording studio. This is where I wanna be when the big one hits. Right, right between the glass ceiling and the poison room, yeah. I can't believe all of that's true and none of it's a joke. You're gonna need to tweet some pictures of all of these places so people understand what we're talking about. There's a poison room. Just don't open it. Don't find out. Don't find out why. So you guys want to plug your plug cables? Yeah, we got a podcast called even more news. And and my name's Katie stole on Twitter and in life, Cody, take it away. We also have a video series on YouTube called some more news, and that Twitter account is some more news. In my Twitter account is doctor Mr Cody. That's DRMISTERCODY. And I forget my name, but this podcast has a Twitter and an Instagram at ******** pod. It has a website, behindthebastards.com. I don't think there's anything else to plug. Sophie's not saying I should plug anything else. Well, there's this this show that Daniel is gesturing to his shirt. You can buy Daniel shirt if you find him on Twitter. He'll sell anything. Have any anything? You can also buy shirts on teepublic.com. Buying the ******** is anything else. Sophie has a dog named Anderson who you probably cannot buy. Probably not. Yeah, but you could. You could approach her about buying the dog if you approach us on Twitter because she runs the Twitter. Because I am not allowed to run the Twitter and should under no circumstances be doing that. We don't need you being tweeted. Hey, can I buy that dog? And you saying yes, yes. Well, that's the episode go. What? What are you what are you looking at? What's it could happen here? What could happen here? Ohh. I have a podcast. Yeah, I have a podcast. And a a dream of exasperating Sophie by pretending I'm not gonna mention it to make her frustrated because I'm just a ***** ** ****. A bad person. It's working. Cody's enjoying it. That's the audience I play for. All right. Play me out, Daniel. Oh. Hello, I'm Erica Kelly from the podcast Southern Fried True crime, and if you want to go from podcast fan to podcast host, do what I did and check out spreaker from iheart. I was working in accounting and hating it. Then after just 18 months of podcasting with Spreaker, I was able to quit my day job. Follow your podcasting dreams, let's break or handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to spreaker.com. That's spreaker.com. Hey there, it's Ebony Monet, your co-host for the San Diego Zoo's Amazing Wildlife podcast. In this special episode, we're amazing wildlife. 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