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Part Two: Let's Talk About Cryptocurrency

Part Two: Let's Talk About Cryptocurrency

Thu, 09 Dec 2021 11:00

Robert is joined again by Sofiya Alexandra to continue to discuss cryptocurrency.

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We had to keep him apart and she was just like presenting to every living creature, including dogs that came near here. Just I have never seen an animal wanna **** so bad and I it was just incredible before you met me. I mean, you just literally gave Sophia lay up like I knew that was coming immediately. Tossing a softball. Sophie, what's up with that? I'm. I'm, I'm. I'm the Nolan Ryan of this. That was way too easy. Come on. I know. I'm sorry. Ah, good times. Really good Times Now back to not good times. AKA this ******* NFT talk. Just like ohh, can we quickly, can we quickly acknowledge that Robert blushed, I believe during that joke? Hmm. Love to see this boy blush. Alright, keep going. Keep going. Speaking about your imaginary money. Go on. There's well, but also there's a very fun story today that Charlie Kirk just warned that Democrats want people to live in sexual anarchy. Uh, yeah. Oh my God, it's true. It is. I mean, it depends, because that's really just like 1 subset of polyamory. It's not even a particularly common one. It's very, very few people I know practice relationship anarchy, but I don't think that's what Charlie Kirk is talking about. And you know what else is terrible to be around? Sophia NFT's. I was just going to say crypto enthusiasts general, but yes, NFT's, they're deeply unpleasant. So as we kind of ended the episode on the ******* world of Bitcoin in any ether, like all of crypto, it's just like a it's just a Galaxy of scams. And the latest and silliest of these scams are NFT's so. The term NFT stands for non fungible token. Think about it, if you grab a piece of a fungus and you toss it somewhere, it'll grow into a full version of that fungus. That's how fungus is work. Most currency kind of makes me hungry for mushroom pizza, but I could go for some mushrooms. Most money kind of works that way too. Like obviously you can't like throw it and it grows into more money, but you can split up money like you can split a dollar up into coin or into fractions of a dollar and that's all still currency, right? In FT's don't work that way. It cannot be fudged, it can't be split up. You're buying like a token that cannot be divided, right? Like you can spend fractions of a Bitcoin you like an NFT is is is not it's not fungible, right? That's that's that's all that means. So if you're a casual observer of an FT culture, you probably think that owning an NFT is dumb because you're just buying ownership of a JPEG online which anyone can right click and save as Angeles. It's pretty ******* silly. But Sophia, what if I were to tell you it's Dumber than that? What? So it's much Dumber than that because here's the thing. There would be some value in having legal ownership of an online drawing, right? Because potentially you could merchandise that drawing, right? You could sell T-shirts that include that drawing. Like, there would actually be significant value if, like, somebody makes a meme and is like, well, I'm selling the rights to this meme, you could you could monetize that. There would be real value in being able to actually own a meme potentially. OK, so you were talking to somebody. That used to be an art consultant. Hmm. And my job was working as kind of the middle person between the hospitality industry, meaning hotels and artists. So I would be the person that they would hire to decide on what a hotel art would go in a hotel. And newsflash, I do not want it to be ******* shells, but they are cheap as ****. So but yeah, the thing that's really interesting about how much money you can make. An artist that kind of shows you how capitalism works and is kind of just fascinating and does, I think, kind of relate to NFTS is. So the most amount of money that people would make is through doing something simple like black and white architecture. And it would be because every hotel ever wants that as their thing. So it'd be like a Chicago hotel being like, oh, we'd love some really cool shots of black and white architecture. And so we would have folders and. Holders of this stuff. And so when somebody like the hotel would be like, OK, we want this photo printed and in every single guest room, right. So that's an order for 220, say, just an example. And that's a kind of a low #220 rooms, right. And you would, the artists would negotiate how much money they would want per print. So say you would negotiate $6. So multiply that by 220. That's money you just made from taking one photo. Whereas selling the equivalent amount of money of just one original piece would be a lot harder in a certain way. But this is also kind of like winning the lottery. So in that way that's even more hard. So it just the the value we ascribe to art is so arbitrary. And to see a whole system built on this that's just like, yeah, and it's not even, here's The funny thing, and I'm really glad that you brought that up. We're going to talk about the actual art industry in a little bit as well. You're not even buying like a licensed drawing. You already know way within an issue. Well, it's, but it's Dumber than that because you're not even buying. You're not buying the image. Like when you buy an NFT, you are in no way purchasing even access to just that image. You are buying basically space on the blockchain. You are buying a token, and that token is just blank space. And there's something on the space when you buy it, but it doesn't necessarily stay there because those images are hosted somewhere, right? And the token just has a link to them. If that image hosting thing goes on, all you have is a blank spot on the blockchain. Exactly, yeah. And that's why when people have been trying to pitch to me like, this is really good for artists and whatever, and I'm like, maybe in the short term, but overall for artists and collectors, if your goal is to make things that last and to have people that are genuine fans and for that to be something that's part of the art process. Like buy people's art by people's actual ******* art. We'll talk too about the extent to which artists are actually benefiting here, but I I just really wanna make people sure that people know, like, it's not actually like you're owning a JPEG, you don't own the JPEG, you own like a space on the blockchain where the JPEG currently is, but anything could be there, pretty much. This is made very clear in the terms of sale for Christies, which is an A massive auction website, right? It was a big deal when Christie started auctioning NFT. Is like Christie's is like a real auction thing. Like they they they they auction off serious ****. They have a 33 page conditions document for their NFT auctions which states you acknowledge that ownership of an NFT carries no rights, express or implied, other than property rights for the lot. Specifically digital artwork tokenized by the NFT you acknowledge and represent that there is substantial uncertainty as to the characterization of MFT's and other digital assets under applicable law. So like, we don't even entirely know what you own. When you win this auction this like when you're trying to sign that ******* travel insurance or some **** and then once you read the fine print, you're like, I'm buying nothing now obviously I think there are some in FT's that like specifically the contract of the sale means you do own that image and you could license it or whatnot. Like you the artist. Obviously you have the ability as the artist to sell not just the NFT, but to actually sell someone rights to an image you draw like that. That is a thing that can happen. I'm sure it does happen, but that's not generally. What is happening when people buy in an FT? The real genius behind NFTS is a grift is that they take a legitimate problem, which is that artists have a real hard time making a good living off of work, especially like work that is shared by millions of minute. Wait a minute, you're telling me being an artist isn't profitable? Wait a minute, Robert. Well, bad news about that. These jokes about about being Russian and dig jokes and ***** jokes they don't sell Robert well. Actually, they sell very well. What do you mean? I've been doing this for over 10 years, Robert. What are you saying right now? It's kind of like, yeah, this isn't where I should have spent my time, no? I mean, it's worked out since podcasts became a thing. The NFTS of comedy. For some, yeah, I have the NFT's of comedy. Nice ******* *******. That's that's how we started this episode, you know? No so ******* like. So again, there's a real problem here, which is that, like, so artists regularly will create drawings that are shared, like, sometimes even hundreds of millions of times, and they won't make any money off of that, and we'll be like starving to death while also having created one of the most, like, widely shared pieces of art in human history. I agree that's an issue. Right. I'm a big fan of artists getting paid. I'm not someone who believes there's any artistic value in starving. But so the the the promise of NFT's is like, this is a way those artists who create viral art can sell a digital original, and that will allow them to finally get paid for their work and to make it better. The way ether, which is the basis of NFT's works, means that smart contracts guarantee that the artists can get a cut of any future sales the owner of their NFT makes after buying it. And this is one of like, the kind of neat. Think about it. If the whole thing wasn't a grift, this would be a neat idea that, like, OK, you sell the rights to this drawing and anyone else who sells. If the person who buys it sells it again, you get a cut of that sale too, which is neat. The problems are everything that comes next. So the first big success among an FT's, which is before the term itself, was really known by anybody where crypto cats in 2017. As a tech crunch report from the time noted, crypto kitties is essentially like an online version of Pokémon cards, but based on the Ethereum blockchain. And like most guess, it's like aristocats. Yeah, OK, kind of it is. And like most viral sensations that catch on in the tech world, it's blowing up fast. Built by Vancouver and San Francisco. This design studio axioms in the game is the latest fad in the world of cryptocurrency. People are spending a crazy amount of real money on the game. So far, about $1.3 million has been transacted with multiple kittens selling for 50 ether around $23,000, and the Genesis kitten being sold for a record 246 ether around $113,000. This third party site tracks the largest purchases made to date on the game, and like any good viral sensation, prices are rising and fluctuating fast. Right now it will cost you about .03 ether or 12. Dollars to buy the least expensive kitten in the game. And calling these game is kind of stretching it. But crypto kitties would prove to be an intensely depressing proof of concept. People refined and reworked the idea until, in 2021, the concept of NFT's hit big. This was after, depending on who you ask, two or three bubble and burst cycles from Bitcoin. 2017 was when most people really became aware of cryptocurrency and the fact that you could make a lot of money off of it. And if you remember during that big Bitcoin boom, basically for a while, every Silicon Valley. Company had to tell the world they had a blockchain related project in the pipeline and this was all ********. The blockchain actually has and has had so far remarkably very little promise for the tech industry. It is virtually useless for most large companies and for a variety of the problems that it claims to be able to solve. And in fact, like one of the things about it that's funny is that like, for all the people using blockchain, it's like a a buzzword term to excite people. There's actually a widely used technology that's basically a blockchain. That that nobody called that that is has been huge for forever. It's called git, like GitHub is, is the the place online where you find it like it's it's it's basically a repository of code. It's for people making code to like, keep a record of changes to code that they're making and whatnot, so everyone who's doing coding can see what other people are doing. The way it works is very much like a blockchain. So it again, it's one of those things, like there's all these like crypto evangelists talking about how revolutionary the blockchain is. It's like. You know, the the things that are actually potentially valuable about blockchain technology we've already been doing for a long time, like GitHub go or Git goes back like almost 20 years. I think there's there's really nothing cool or new here, but for a while every big Silicon Valley company had to announce that they were looking into doing the blockchain. You know, we, we we're we're looking into the blockchain for whatever. I remember people talking about, like, this is going to change voting, it's going to make it impossible to do a fraudulent vote. Which is I don't know it's all it's all it? It just people like you know it's what happens whenever something goes viral like suddenly it's the same thing was like a meme where like suddenly you got like the McDonald's Twitter account sharing a meme that's popular that's what happened with the blockchain in 2017. Minus the chicken nuggies, yeah. I mean, chicken Nuggets are certainly more valuable than a I don't know any given NFT. So after something like $1.5 billion in investments into blockchain technology started by this big Bitcoin coin boom in 2017, almost no profit has actually been realized. It's just pretty much been ****** away because for the most part they were just like announcing anyway. It's all very frustrating. So in 2021, after. This crypto optimism kind of fades. There's still a lot of money in cryptocurrency. People are still like, Bitcoin had a boom pretty recently after the one in 2017. So it's still a way you can make money. But like, all of these these people talking about, like, oh, you know, the blockchain is going to revolutionize this industry or that, like, none of it really happens. And so in 2021, people who want to make a **** load of money off of cryptocurrency need something new. And that's when NFT's finally blow up on, like, a national scale. Umm. So just as a thorium advocates had claimed that smart contracts would magically fix the inequities of the recording industry in FT, advocates began to claim that their magical crypto nonsense was the solution to the problems artists faced in getting paid. The irony was that as soon as an FT's went viral as a concept and money started pouring in, scammers began stealing the work of artists to sell unauthorized in FT's. There's a good article about this in the Verge from March of this year. It tells the story of Derek Laufman, who work woke up. Earlier that month to emails from fans of his art being like, hey, when did you start selling an FTS? He was confused because he had not in fact started selling in FT and he said as much. Eventually he realized that someone impersonating him had created a profile and gotten it verified on repairable, a site where people buy NFT's. Today, wearable requires people in order to like verify your identity. To list in an FT, you have to provide links to two active social media profiles and a behind the scenes. Picture of your art. I don't think that second requirement existed in March, but even now you don't actually have to give up it, present any documents to verify your identity. So it's very easy to fake being an artist in order to sell an NFT of their art, as Laufman told The Verge. I dealt with having my art stolen for years and I'm sort of numb to that. But when somebody is claiming to be you, that kind of, you know, that ****** me off. And it's really frustrating because you have again this real problem of, like, for years artists are seeing people like Elon Musk. Feeling a meme they make and like not crediting them or even like cutting the credit out and like that's frustrating. But in FT's have just in a lot of ways made it worse. Like not that there aren't artists who make money, there are a decent number of artists who have made some money off of this, but there's an equal number of people who are having their **** stolen by other people who are making money, which is really frustrating. I mean, this reminds me of all of the art that got stolen for Lularoe leggings. And just to crudely being like, yeah, you should different and then not being different people be like, that's my **** yeah. And there being no, no recourse whatsoever, either in yours in this situation or in the Lulu one. And that's what's ******* happening here. And again, it is there like they can get the art, the FTD listed, but if they've already sold one of the things about crypto is you can't reverse a transaction. It's indelible. It's done. There's no getting the money back. Like, which is great, from the Verge quote artists like Laufman have had their work minted as an FTS and listed for sale without their permission. And as in that case, platforms that host stolen art only seem to moderate if the artist finds out and posts about it on social media. Tales from the loop author Simon Stalin Hag found his art on marble cards, another NFT site. And Giffy has warned that people are turning user created gifts from its site into NFT's because the NFT system doesn't require people to actually own the copyright to something. Mint it it's a market ripe for fraud. You might say. That's the whole point. The Verge is investigation found that fraud was common in NFT markets, verging on constant, due to the fact that none of the major NFT exchanges required people proved that they owned the works they were profiting from. Once again, the promise of cryptocurrency to write a longstanding injustice has proved to be just another way of screwing over the same group of people in pretty much the same way. It's almost like trying to make being a pirate. Your identity will make it so that. Everybody else is also pirates, yeah, yeah. And there is no honor among thieves, that's all. Yeah, and it's it's even worse than like, hanging out with actual criminals because there is a degree of honors, the wrong word, but like honesty among people who are actually involved in, in high level crimes, because like you, you can get murdered for ******* with somebody. So a lot of people are actually very honest about their dealings in illegal trades because like, I don't want that ******* trouble, you know? Like I'm dealing with somebody who's scary. I'm not gonna **** him over. It's always refreshing when anyone is honest, whether it's because they're afraid that they'll die or just because they're like, look, it pains me to lie, yeah, but within FT's it's all online, you're anonymous. There's no reason to like, not scam people out of their ******** money and then turn it into real money and then laugh all the way to the bank. So when you talk about NFT success stories, the number one thing that people are going to bring up is what happened with people this year. Beeple is a a semi famous artist who does like a lot of like electronic kind of art. Like a a lot of artists I know think his stuff is great. He famously had a collection of his art which was several thousand pieces. It was called everyday and it was like 5000 pieces that had been daily art releases of his for years. Cell is an NFT for $69 million via Christie's auction. Most people probably heard something about this. It was a pretty big news story. You probably didn't hear the revelations about who actually bought. The damn thing and 1st off, I should note that while people have some really? Yeah, I'm about to tell you one of the things that frustrated about this is that like people's made a lot of cool art. The thing that makes sells for 69 million is not cool. It's like a bunch of daily. Like he was just trying to make sure he always made a piece of art every day and most of them are like not good. Like, that's nothing against him as an artist. It's just like, yeah, it was like, he was just, it was like a daily project. Like, he wasn't like, throwing his heart and soul into it was like scribbles, basically. Was the electronic equivalent of scribbles. Yeah. And also it's like morning, pagers or some ****. It's not supposed to be good. You're just doing it every day to, like, keep warm, you know? Yeah. It's ridiculous that it would sell for $69 million. Also. Some of them were pretty racist. 69, though. Oh, wait. What? Oh yeah. There's some crazy stuff in there. My. I think. I mean, it was years and years ago. I'm not gonna, like, condemn. The human being because like 10 or 15 years ago he like Drew was something that's kind of racist. But maybe you shouldn't have lumped all of this art together and sold it. I don't know. I don't know the person. It's just, it's it's ridiculous that like a bunch of crappy daily sketches, some of which look like they were drawn by an edgy 17 year old kid sold for $69 million at A at a Christie's auction. That's just ridiculous. But you know what's not ridiculous? Sophia, is it these goods and services, Robert, these goods and services #1 all of them cheaper than $69 million, although I recommend spending $69 million on them, you know, and you can't even sit on your face if you do. Wow. See? Go to brain, listeners. Go, go. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. 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Bad times. Actually. Horrible times. Terrible times. So let's talk about who won that auction for peoples everyday art. The winner was somebody obviously with a shipload shitload of cryptocurrency and this person purchased under a pseudonym, Meta Covan. But of course, none of this stuff is as anonymous as the advocates of cryptocurrency wanna pretend? And a crypto industry journalist and a no coiner named Amy Castor tracked down Medakovic's identity. The person behind that pseudonym was Vignesh Sundaresan, a crypto entrepreneur with an with an established and fairly shady background among the many ventures. He founded was something called coins dash E if you've been paying attention so far, this story will sound familiar. From Amy Castor quote several coins dash E users have taken to social media to complain about losing money on coins Dash E, calling it a scam and warning others to watch out. The posts on R Dogecoin are the most alarming coins. Dash E clients report having their Dogecoin disappear wire guys in white described watching 1.3 million does evaporate and the frustration of being unable to reach tech support. Get to the bottom of the matter, exclusive 2 wrote. I've had just about enough of coins E millions of coins missing. No reply from support ever. The reason is because it's a one man operation. The problem is this Joker is stealing and trading everyone's coins when and how he feels to make himself rich. He knows that Dodge is worth a lot of Bitcoin and large volumes. Now we just get one. Someone calls someone else a Joker in 2020 as you're talking about your coin made-up over a fake dog poop. And he's giving those coin a bad name. We're gonna get to the moon that way. Like the confederacy. It's like all the people who were angry that Elon Musk didn't shout out Dogecoin when he was on SNL because they thought it was going to make them all rich. It's like Elon Musk doesn't give a **** about you or your ******* dog queen joking about it. Every time he posted about it, he was making fun of you. Both. So, Umm, yeah. Now Sundaresan told Castor that he hadn't. When she brings it, she be like, so Castor, being a good journalist, like, goes to Sundaresan and it's like, hey, did you make up this thing called coins dashie in order to rip a bunch of people off? And he was like, no, of course not. That wasn't me at all. I did make coins, dashi, but I sold it to a company called Casa Crypto Way before the problem started. I had nothing to do with the company when all that bad **** happened. So Barlow looked into this, and she was like to know who's the owner of gas? Of course, well, as far as Barlow's been able to find, there's no evidence that company ever existed. There's no press release that coins dashie was ever sold. There's no information to back this up whatsoever. He promised to show her the proof on a video call and then never got back to her. So totally not sketchy guy. Her. Further digging made it clear that and one of the things that is cool about this, both in in reading about learning about David Gerhard and Amy Castor, is realizing that, like, oh, there are actually like, good. Journalists who know about who understand crypto like, right, I clearly, I don't. I'm repeating other things people have said about it that seem credible, that I read because I'm not an expert on crypto. It's nice to know there are people who care about it enough to understand it deeply and are also actual journalists about it. Because as silly as this is, I'm really glad Anna or Amy Castor is there. Like, actually try, like trying to document the grittiness of this whole thing. I think that's valuable. I do really recommend attack of the 50 foot blockchain as a book if you actually want to like understand all this stuff more and what a giant scam it is because it's so I'm definitely getting it. Yeah, it's it. It's very readable. It's very like as as dry as a lot of crypto stuff is. David does a very good job of like making you understand what's happening and how ridiculous it is without it being boring. I mean it's slightly better than my husband explaining it to me and that's good. Yeah, it's definitely, that's what's actually on the cover of the book. Slightly better than having your husband explain crypto to you because. You spent your life savings on a JPEG. Honestly, I think that's a really ringing endorsement. Yeah, this is it's the best thing I can millions of women, women all over. And not just women, there's millions of people all over the world right now being a mansplained crypto while they're trying to do some other **** you know, sleep, eat, etcetera. It's very funny. And this book will protect you from that. So because then you'll be like. Actually, yeah, actually, let me tell you, why don't you ******* talk something? Yeah, so Amy Barlow's further digging made it clear that rather than the sale of peoples everyday is being a fairly normal case of an art lover buying a valuable work of art. The whole thing was way more of a convoluted business relationship between people and sundaresan. Castor did the digging here, but the clearest and most succinct summary I found of what actually happened comes from a write up by input magazine. Because Castor goes into a lot of detail here and I just want to give you the summary of what happened. Inputs I'm going to quote from there now. Where things get interesting with the Beeple purchase is that Sundaresan is selling fractional ownership of the work through a new entity called Meta Purse, a crypto based investment firm that has rolled up several beeple pieces into a bundle. Anyone can purchase a small ownership stake. I'll call my girl's *****. Hey, what's up Sophie? Her Invisalign hurts too much. She can't. Yeah, she's laughing on the inside. Anyone can purchase a small ownership stake in the art collection by purchasing the company's B20 token. The hope would be that the works become more valuable over time. Individuals are essentially buying into an index fund of sorts, but when Sundaresan created B20, he gave himself 59% of the outstanding tokens and beeple himself received 2%. That would suggest that beeple and Sundaresan were in cahoots to add the 5000 days piece to the metaphors collection, as doing so would drive up the price of the fledging B20 token and make them both. Money so people is like involved in a real business relationship with the guy who quote UN quote bought this artwork. And the fact that it's sold for such a ridiculous price was valuable because it raised the price of this what is essentially a coin that they're offering that represents a fractional stake in the ownership of this collection of people art. It's a scam, kind of. It seems like. I want to make it clear, I'm not alleging that people or media cobin have done anything illegal. I just think it's. I think it's kind of a scam. It seems like it's kind of a. Damn to me. Look, I am a comedian. Then that means a certified idiot, but also seems like a huge scam. Yeah. Hey, and people made a bunch of money. I don't. I again, I don't have any reason to believe they're a bad person or whatever other also inspire cost of NFT's. But yeah, it's hard to take anything or anyone named Beeple seriously. Yeah, but at the same time, if I as an artist, someone was like, hey, you wanna make $60 million by giving me a bunch of sketches? You did? Yeah, of course. Like, yes, I'm not gonna pretend I'm that good a person. I would feverishly be drawing new sketches. Yeah. And I'd before that are just ********. Just so somebody would feel like they were getting their money. Yeah. Worth like, I I think most people even knowing the environmental cost would be like, well, yeah. I mean, that's enough money that no one in my family would ever have a problem again. That related to finances, of course. Like, then maybe it could write some wrongs with my $69 million or I think. The vast majority of people would find a way to justify it to themselves and I'm sure I include myself in that right when nobody's nobody's I'm not again I don't is while I'm saying I think this is kind of a scam peoples involved in. I don't think he's makes him like worse than most other people because I think most people would find a way to just mean most worse than most other peoples peoples. Yeah he's no worse than most peoples and to be fair whatever peoples doing here because I don't think we know. Fully like, what's going on here? It is way less of a direct scam than, like, you know, all the people just robbing folks. Like then say hello. Kind of a pump and dump, I guess. See, it seems like it's kind of a pump and dump, but whatever. And to talk about the really scamming dump is what they call Roberts girl. Ohh Jesus Christ. I'm so sorry Sophia. It's a little far. You send me 5 knives and it just they go right to my head. Yeah, you just want more knives. And you know the way to do that is by making weird sex jokes that are gonna get me, have people send me very uncomfortable messages. Look, everybody who listens to you and Sophie's trying to ****. I hope you know that. Oh, that's not that's not good. You have to think about it every night now before you go to sleep. Yeah. I it looks even more pain than she is by her Invisalign. For the record. I don't **** no, no. No sex. No sex for me. Thank you. Yeah, you just do math stuff. I heard that. I just do math stuff. That's right. Math stuff, you dummy. Oh yeah, I mean that, too. It's kind of the same thing, right? Yeah, you whisper formulas into your girl's mouth. I just read out the address to different bitcoins that I own. He just stopped to their vulvas. Whisper Etherium on her clitty. That's your number one move in the bedroom. Yeah, that's what the ladies like is having whispering etherium into their genitals. That's how you that's how you win them. If you're if you're looking for for advice on on on, slaying, slaying, whatever genitals you want to slay, just start whispering ether. Good stuff, Perry. You gotta do a little bit of a lip wobble in the on the clitty just so you know what nobody is getting ****** as a result of. No my very favorite NFT scam evolved apes. This is what made me decide to write this episode, because it's just the funniest thing in the entire *** **** world. So one thing that a lot of critics will note is that an awful lot. Again, not all. There's some actually really good artists who have made an FT's, and some people who were struggling. Three years and maybe like, whatever. If if you're if you've struggled for 30 years and are finally making a good living making real art because NFT have enabled that, that's great. That's not most of what the most of the NFT's being sold look like. ******* ****. And most of the ones being sold for a lot of money look like ******* ****. And that brings what makes it a victimless crime, I guess. Well, is if you think something happened, ****** is good. Am I wrong? Put a pin in that, I'll take it back. Put a pin in that so back. The evolved apes were part of a series of different like, I think there's scams, but we'll call them NFT schemes, evolved apes, political punks, lazy lions. They're basically garbage pail kids, but digital, and they range in cost from a few bucks to more than $100,000. And again, they all look like ****. So I'm going to show you these in a second, but evolved apes were described by their founder on NFT Marketplace Open Sea as a collection of 10,000 unique NFT. Trapped inside a lawless land, fighting for survival, this was a way of plugging A claimed fighting game where players would be able to use the unique NFTS they'd purchased to battle each other. Here's what they look like. Oh, I like them. There's something wrong with me. I really like the you like these little, these terrible ape drawings. I really like them. Well, that's fascinating. I guess somebody ******* had to. They're all the same drawing. It's the same basic ape drawing that, like they did, stick different hair on and put like glasses. Or one of them is eating a burger and blowing a bubble gum bubble. So you're wrong. And one of them's wearing a necklace. And one of them has a glove on truly, can I say something? What I think it appeals to me because I can't tell people apart when they have changed one thing about themselves, like a hat, or like you've got prosopagnosia, or whatever it is, face blindness. So to me, all those apes are radically different. I guess maybe you're the market for evolved apes. For the entry fee to get like a chance to buy these is $279 or like .08 ether the average price that much? No, the average price for the NFT's themselves was around $108.00. The highest individual ape that I found in terms of sales sold for 14 point $3000 and it's this ******* guy. I was going to ask, what's the best ape? Well, apparently this one. I don't know if this was the most, but this is the most. I found in a short amount of ******* Googling. That sold for $14,300. No. Yeah, no, that's not. I think, no, there should have been more **** going on for that. I I would agree with you there, Sophia, but uh, that's that's not that's not the way the cookie crumbled. So again. 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So we're, we're back, we're back, everybody. And I'm trying to play the evolved apes trailer for the fighting game that they were supposed to make because it looks like trash. And again, I can see the, I could see if there was like, oh, it's 50 bucks and you buy a character and only you get that character. It's unique and it levels up through time and like, you can play in a fighting game with other people for prizes that are worth real money. That's cool. And there are some people, like, who have pushed ideas with that. And it's not like groundbreaking in a world sense, but it is like. Oh, I could see that being a fun thing for gaming. This game looked like ******* trash. And I'm gonna play the trailer for you now, Sophia. Yeah, it just looks like ****** Mortal Kombat with monkeys. It does. And I have to say they didn't choose the best monkeys for their representation because it should have been among monkeys that are so different looking that you would be like, whoa, I could design A monkey that looks really cool, different things. But also monkeys aren't apes, so someone's gonna be real mad about that one. They're listening to this again. The point is they did not do a good job with character design and we are very upset about it. And like, again, if this weren't all a giant grift, which we're getting to the. Full version of this would be like, yeah, we're bringing in a bunch of artists and they can just like make whatever characters they want, and if you think it's cool, you can buy it. And like, you know, things you could have neat. That could be a really cool way to do a fighting game, and I'm sure it could make a lot of money. And I I suspect someone will figure out how to do that and it will finally be something cool that comes out of NFT's. But that is not what happened with the evolved apes because this was a giant scam from the beginning, a week after the project officially launched with some 4000 apes sold project. Developer Evil Ape, the guy who started it, disappeared, taking down the company Twitter account, deleting the website and absconding with $2.7 million in ether. Yeah, it was literally just a scam. That's why it was also Laza magician just yeah, and again, you should have known investors should have known by how ******* ****** it looked, but it's just like this irrational exuberance of like, oh, this could be. I'm sure they're recognizing like, what I was just saying. Like, oh, there are ways in which you could do a neat game this way, and they just didn't want to lose out in case this was the neat game. And none of them, like, thought about like, well, does this look any good or does it look like. Little ****. I'm going to put people could be asking themselves that question. Does this look good or does this look like turtle ****? Am I gonna tell you because of FOMO here, or am I actually buying into something I would want to play? Do I want to have almost identical monkeys with like ****** bling punch each other in a fighting game? How long will that be interesting? Is this really worth $14,000? This is how everyone got tricked into mom jeans, you know? Yeah, we can all agree they look like. Yeah, and yet. And yet. But at least you have the genes when you when you get tricked by mom, do you, as opposed to do you? If you're not getting ****** or talked to because of them, do you still have those jeans when you're alone, crying at your house in your actual sweatbands? Yeah, I mean, I haven't owned a pair of jeans in years because I wear nothing but sweatpants. So I agree, I think normal pants are a grift. But at least you have the pants. Physically, they they do exist. True. Yeah. So when the crypt like when this guy disappeared and the evolved apes community eventually realized they'd been had, they basically like appointed the guy who had spent the most money on them, who's online name is Mike under score crypto bowl, and made him in charge of investigating what had happened based on the fact that he had spent like $10,000 on ******* monkey Jpegs. So yeah, very sad to be that guy. To be the guy who's like, hey, you have to be our leader cause she lost the most money off of this stupid monkey grift. Mike wrote up a A report and informed the community, regretfully, that they'd all been conned, that the artist had not even been paid. So again, the actual guy who made this terrible monkey arc didn't see a dime. He got conned into making the art, and then somebody else profited off of it and disappeared. Which is very funny. Mike told Vice that he and some family monkey grift. Yeah, and the saddest thing is that when he was interviewed by Vice, Mike told the reporter. That he and a bunch of evolved apes fans had promised to quote, build a new project called Fight Back Apes. Out of the ashes of evolved apes, evolved apes holders would automatically be approved for a fight back Apes token linked with art from the old project. And this is what this was his exact quote we will become the fight back apes fighting as a community against our Nemesis, Evil ape. Alright, that's the second thing I've ever read. Back it up with your saddest thing I've ever read in my life. Metaphors and analogies. Pack it up. There are war crimes like depressing than that sentence you Virgin City where no one will ever touch you. Yeah, you ******* loser. It's so sad. Like he snatched your nemesis. You're not fighting back. He stole your money and continuing to own pictures of monkeys. That are held on the blockchain does not fight back in any meaningful way. It's very funny. It's so sad. And the funniest thing about it is that the fact that of all vapes turned out to be nothing but a scam hasn't stopped them from selling on open sea, which is one of the crypt the NFT marketplaces. In the days after the scam was revealed, $47,230 worth of ape NFT's were sold. One evolved apes buyer told VICE that they believed people had fallen for the scam, in part because they were quote. Blinded by the art and the promises, which is almost as sad as that they apes planted by the apes wrapped up like a band of grapes. Yeah, I don't know. And of course the grift never ends. So another night, another like. One of these, you know basically again like trading card NFT things where there's a bunch of different pictures that you you buy access to one picture in the set. The most popular of them, or one of those popular of them is political punks. Again, this is like a an NFT card said, I don't know what's punk about them, they're just 8 bit representations of famous people. They don't seem punk at all actually. The average price of these units and their famous pursuit of money, yeah, that's what makes something punk. And like they they don't even look good. Like I said, they're just like 8 bit portraits like of of famous people that you wouldn't generally recognize as a famous person if you didn't like see it like the most recognizable. Here's the David Bowie one. Well, you should have told me who it was, because I would like to guess. Well, you you'll you'll recognise it. I'm gonna send you just the Twitter link here. That's so bad. Yeah. They're just like 8 bit little portraits. They're terrible. Yeah. I mean, they'd be fine if it was just like, oh, I want to have a forum avatar that's an 8 bit portrait like that first stop, but that's not they're selling them for the price of like. A new brand new high quality car like Robert average price, not David Bowie. That's a man that has had a severe sword injury and a little like he's clear what it is. He's been slashed across his face, Tierion style, and it is very insensitive of you to not recognize that next to him is clearly his go wife. And there is no reason that you should think that she's not gorgeous and hashtag all goats matter and you are sad for not recognizing her. Yeah. All goats matter. O the average price for one of these ******* ****** 8 bit portraits is about $1100. Now that's the average price. That's not so much good art for that. And honestly, take it from an art consultant. You can get some nice limited edition prints for way less than that. Like several of them. Just wait, Sophia, because one of the most expensive. Of these political punks was the Satoshi Nakamoto punk, which is a digital. That means that number one. That would be a digital representation of a person whose identity is unknown because Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym and no one knows who he really is. It's essentially a picture of Santa. Yeah, this digital Santa picture sold for more than $64,000. Yes, Santa is never gonna bring you enough presents to make up for that. You could buy like a fully loaded Toyota Tacoma for that much money. Like what? You could buy a house and a lot of. Yeah, that's a down payment on a house. Like, yeah, it's very silly. I guess the Paul Rudd one is coming soon, so that's going to be exciting. I'm sure that'll sell for a lot of money. Gotta set my phone alarm for that. And yeah, the grift of course never ends. Political punks. The Twitter account after the evolved apes debacle when like it came became clear that that had all been a giant scam. The developer of political punks posted this on Twitter to anyone who was affected in the evolved apes rug pull we will be opening up 200 pre sale spots for our upcoming Gin 2 pleb punks meant come join our community vibe and have fun. We welcome you with open arms had this idea after seeing at boosts take action all love. We are set to make a blockchain game similar but 100 times better than the one promised over at evolved Apes Reidar Road map for more info. It saddens me deeply to see people lose immense amounts of hard earned money to such scumbags spread the love. So basically saying like hey guys, I'll let you buy some of my ****** drawings because you got scammed out of your old ****** drawings. I totally promise we're going to make an even better video game. The the responses to this post are some of again, the saddest things I've ever read. One person said I have two evolved ape how can I participate <3 Another person said I had stupidly got five how do we apply for a spot? And another person said thanks for giving us evolved apes New Hope after what happened to us. Much appreciated all of these people. Just going to have to say is it's remarkable to see the exact same language used by the same people that like again do these like women's MLM's. You know, like Lula, Roe and etcetera that are just like, I'll love boss babes, just wanted to see you thrive. All love. And it's like they think if they use the word love enough, like people will just be like, that's sincere. And then when you're reading these comments or it's like, Oh yeah, people do believe that. That's what's ******* sad. Yeah, and God, they're all just so. So there's an another one of these ******* scams is called lazy lions. And it's just again, it's like the same lion drawing with slight differences, like there's a link to it here and there's like a lazy for like eight, $10,000 a bunch of them and they like, they look like this. They just all it's so ******* lazy. Like, again with the promise being like artist finally getting paid, like the art is just so consistently ****** with this stuff. Like some of these are selling for like, Nope, thousand ether. $8.00. No. Yeah, I like that. It's more than this. The the the lazy lions it. There's not even an artist. They're algorithmically generated. Yeah, you can tell. Yeah, ******* lines are ********. You're not even paying for something a guy drew like it's just a computer generated, a ****** drawing of a of a lion wearing like a ******* catchers uniform or some ********. You're disrespecting yourself for money like this is shameful. This is absolutely shameful. That looks like garbage, yeah, but yeah, the it's they're selling for thousands of dollars apiece. I think most of the people that I know, like most of my friends, spent less on their used cars than like a lot of these are selling for. It's just incredibly sad to see someone posting about how excited they are they bought a a ****** drawing of a lion generated by a computer for as much money as they could have spent on, like a used Prius that would have lasted them ten years. Like it's just. And of course in doing it they're ******* carbon into the atmosphere at an A huge rate. Which is also awesome because again, all NFT's they they're in the ether blockchain at the moment the. Total amount, like of power generated in order to, you know, run the Ethereum blockchain is comparable to the power consumption of the nation of Bangladesh. Wow. So just like small. Yeah. Real little, yeah. Famously small country Bangladesh with a population of 164 million people. Yeah, yeah, just tiny. Just tiny little baby. Little Bangladesh, half the population of the United States. Inconsequential. Little Baby Bash. Yeah, Etherium is has a carbon footprint comparable to the nation of New Zealand. Which is great, yeah. Every single Ethereum transaction is equivalent to the power consumption of an average US household over 6 days. So that's that's cool. Hey, it uses slightly less power than Chile, so that's good. Yeah, slightly less power than the nesian, Achille. We do. You're always saying that. Oh God. So. I don't know. What are you? What are you? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are we all doing to me personally? I am slowly dying and pretending that there's some good that I can do while I'm here and trying to do the good. What are you doing? That, but not trying to pretend to do good anymore. Just trying to. Just trying to make enough money to buy a a A house and then hide from the rest of the world forever. Because I love that for you. What else? What else are you going to do? What? What else are you going to do after realizing this sheer mass of human ingenuity and the enormous amount of resources that are going into getting some guy rich for selling algorithmically generated lion drawings? Now, yeah, it's bleak. So I want to end by reading something from the book attack of the 50 foot blockchain. It's called a Bitcoin fact, you know, FAQ, and it's what opens the book. Question number one, should I buy bitcoins? Answer no. Question #2, but I keep seeing all this stuff in the news about them and how? Answer no. Tech journalism is uniformly terrible. Always remember this question 3. How does it work? It doesn't make any sense. No, it really doesn't. It's impossible to accurately explain Bitcoin in anything less than mind numbingly boring technical terms, so you should probably just not worry about it. I could have written that and I know nothing about Bitcoin other than it's a scam. And I think, yeah, that's what we all know now. Great, yeah. And if you wanna learn enough about Bitcoin to argue with the people who love Bitcoin and explain in detail why they're dumb, I do recommend David Gerard's attack of the 50 foot blockchain. But if you just want to continue to be like, yeah, Bitcoin seems stupid as **** I'm not going to get involved. That's also fine. I kind of feel like I want to. With this book, it's good to just get into arguments with, like, men I hate at bars and get them to buy me drinks. Because I'm right. I mean, ******* Bitcoinica or whatever, exactly. But, like, normally I do way less work for that. But, like, you know, Pandemic made me feel lonely, so, yeah, we're all there. Well, Sophia, you got any flexibles to plug? Sure. Thank you, Robert. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at this. Sophia SFIYA and you can listen to my two podcasts, one about love and sex around the world called private parts unknown, and the other one about 90 day fiance called 420 day fiance with miles Gray from the daily zeitgeist. Miles Gray from the day. Lee seist. That's right, that's right. All right. Well, that's gonna do it for us this week. It's going to do it for you, too, so don't listen to any other podcasts until we drop another episode. Go home. Throw your phone in the river. Attack infrastructure to stop other people from listening to podcasts until we drop another episode. Whoa. Well, we just. I'm Robert Evans. This is Sophia. We just sailed in from the future, which is actually still the past to you listening to this, but is the future to us? Who recorded this episode initially? Sophia, how was the timestream treating you? I'm a little. I'm a little sick from the time travel, honestly. I'll be honest with you. We we got to meet George Carlin, though. That was neat. That was dope. Yeah. Unexpected. Unexpected. Yeah, he was we we told him about a bunch of bad **** and he he did not seem surprised. No, no. He was, however, surprised that you can still be a ****** and a comedian. I was like, huh. I thought 2021, surely no OK no no yeah. Anyway, good times I I we're coming we're we're hopping in here at the end of our last episode because there's some stuff I didn't I I didn't read last time that I I wanted to make a note of because it's kind of important for understanding what's happening within FT's. I I wouldn't rush. Yeah, pretty crucial. I wanna get across like what's actually going on. Because we talked about like, how it's a con and like how how bad an investment it is and how much of like the claims being made. Many of the people involved are grifters, but I I don't think we really got it. I think I think the episode as it is could lead people with the opinion that like, well, maybe this is like a Pokémon thing, right? Where like it seems dumb to a lot of people, but it has legs for years and years and years and years. Because there's just some great need to own, like little pictures of monkeys that you pay absurd amounts of money for. And I wanted to. I think the context that's lacking is like money laundering and why? Like how how NFT's relate to money laundering. For years and for decades, really, since World War Two, one of the best ways to launder money has been to invest in art. And there's a good quote from natural Law Review that I'm going to read that kind of explains how the art industry works in terms of like, being a money laundering. Vehicle art isn't attractive vehicle to launder money. It can be hidden or smuggled, transactions often are private, and prices can be subjective and manipulated as well as extremely high. Once purchased, the art can disappear from view for years, even decades. A lot of the art bought at auctions goes to Freeports Ultra secure warehouses for the collections of millionaires and billionaires, ranging from Picassos and gold to vintage Ferraris and fine wine. The freeports, which exist in Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore, offer a variety of tax advantages because the goods stored in them are technically. In transit. The Economist magazine in Switzerland. I know, right? Come on. Just they're hoganas since ******* World War Two. You ******* *******. They are the top of the global grift chain. Absolutely. *** **** it. Beautiful country. Good on you, Switzerland. Look, someone had to be the best at it, you know? And it's not the United States. Chocolates, not even that good. You sons of. No, it's not. It's absolutely not. Although it's it's beautiful country to fly into. So the. The Economist estimates that the Freeport at Geneva, by the way, Speaking of Switzerland alone has $100 billion in just US art. And once the art, yeah, $100 billion US. That's a lot of art. Yeah. And the the benefit of art is that it can be sold privately and anonymously to other buyers. It's not like a gun. It's not even like a car. Like, there's not a lot of registration. Most art never even leaves the warehouse after the sale is completed, again for tax reasons. And it's basically just a vehicle for transferring money in a lot of ways and laundering money from like, you know, 11, like, center of your business or like one of your accounts through another because there's just there for for a while at least, there was not scrutiny on it and art. Became really popular for laundering money when they they they started the government like during as a result of the war on drugs. Started cracking down more on other traditional methods of money laundering. It's a moral like in an extra way because yeah, art only exists if you are experiencing it. Yeah, and it's the most criminal thing you can do to a piece of art other than destroying it is high to just keep it in a warehouse so no one ever sees it. It's as if it doesn't exist. Yeah, it's ****** ** and it's they're just. Doing it like, ah, this beautiful work that is inspired, like, and it's the ****** ** thing, is that like, because art inspires emotional experiences, because people react strongly to it, it has cash value and because it has cash value, but it's not really a thing that's often been governed in the same way as other things. Like you can kind of, you can manipulate it like you can agree, hey, I'm going to sell this. If you buy it for this much, we can both funnel money into that purchase of the yard. Nobody's going to question that some crazy rich person thought that this painting was worth 100 million, even though it had only been worth 20 million. Four. And then we get to launder more money through this transaction at this Freeport, where nothing is taxed because it's technically in transit. It's like this whole game. And I should note that, like, that is how it has been for a while with I think within the last decade there have been some significant legal steps taken that have made it more difficult to launder money this way. I think it still happens at a pretty significant scale, but like, it got harder and it's it got harder and like, right as kind of like when other money laundering stuff got shut down, art became the center of money laundering as it became harder to launder money. Through art, NFTS hit the stage, and that's what they're being used for. And so a lot of the times when you see like these as we were talking about this, like, oh this this ****** 8 bit drawing of a dude sold for 60 grand, or like this monkey sold for $18 million, and it's like just one of of 10,000 unique, almost unique monkey drawings. What the hell is happening? What's happening is somebody has a pile of money and multiple wallets, because while the blockchain absolutely, like, registers every transaction, it doesn't. You don't necessarily know that those are individual. Different people. It could be one guy trading stuff between wallets. So he buys in an FT for $1000 and he can artificially inflate it doing that. Yeah, yeah. So you buy an NFT for 1000 and then you have another account buy it for 5000, and then another account buy it for 10,000, and then or you pay people to help you do that. But whatever way, you keep jacking up the price until some sucker buys it for a million because he's saying, wow, it's doubled in price every two days. What do I do now? I can flip it in 48 hours and then, like, suddenly there's no buyers. Because one of the stats that came out since we did our last episode is that, like more than 90% of NFT transactions are less than 10% of people who have NFT's. It is a vanishingly small number of people actually doing transactions, and it's mostly at the big level, money laundering. The vast majority of NFT sell for under 200 bucks. Like the ones that are selling for huge amounts of money are money laundering. And one of the pieces of evidence of this is that the biggest NFT sale, which was about half a billion dollars recently. Was it was found later that the person who bought it transferred the NFT back to the original wall, or transferred the money that he paid for the NFT back to the original wallet? So he was clearly just some guy using half a billion dollars in crypto to buy his own NFT from himself, paying a few $1000 in gas fees, and doing that so that now this is in an FT that's worth half a billion dollars. And that's good for this specific NFT, but it also raises the profile of the whole industry and makes people more likely. It brings in more suckers, you know? It's just advertising for the suckers. That's what was happening with peoples thing. It's it's make people think that there's a gold rush, so they rush in and spend money on monkey drawings that they're never able to liquidate. Anyway, that's the context I thought was needed. I think that's really important. And thank you, Robert, for being so thorough. I'm just obsessed with this stuff lately. He's a good man and thorough. He's extremely obsessed with this stuff lately. That's how he starts all our meetings with the fun fact. I I can't. It's the only thing I can. 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