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Don't listen to this if you haven't listened to part one, because it will not make as much sense as it should. Daniel, how are you doing? Literally, minutes after we finished the first episode, I'm doing well. I'm learning a thing that I didn't know was true. I thought anytime you did these like two or three-part episodes that you would break when I, the listener would break. I didn't know that you and Jamie Loftus talked about. Mark Zuckerberg. For like 9 straight hours. Yeah, it was. It was too much talking about. Yeah, no, there's never any break. The reason we do it this way is because some amount of deceit to the audience is always necessary. You understand this being a TV, of course you have to lie to the people. God. So this is the life we've chosen and it's a beautiful lie. I also wear a hairpiece, but anyway, uh, let's let's let's. Not where you'd expect, but not yeah, not on my head, on his back. It's like I've got a tribble latched onto my spine, yes. That was it. Was it was a good joke. OK, let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein some more now. Yeah, yeah. So we we're already acquainted with Jeffrey Epstein's illicit child pimping business. So let's take a minute at the start of this episode to talk about his big stupid house. Now, most of the early positive articles you'll read about Jeffrey Epstein spent a lot of time talking about his mansion in New York City, where you are Dan Woo. Now, I should note that he does not just own a mansion in New York City, he owns the mansion in New York City. Epstein's residence is the largest private. Home in Manhattan. It has a 15 foot high oak door, 9 floors, and takes up an entire city block. 71st St, between 5th and Madison is all Epstein's home. If you're curious, here's how Vicky Ward, a Vanity Fair, described being inside of Epstein's Manor. Quote amid the flurry of men, servants attired in sober black suits and pristine white gloves, you feel you have stumbled into someone's private Xanadu. This is no mere rich person's home, but a high walled, eclectic, imperious fantasy that. Seems to have no boundaries. The entrance hall is decorated not with paintings, but with row upon row of individually framed eyeballs. These, the owner tells people with relish, were imported from England, where they were made for injured soldiers. Next comes a marble foyer, which does have a painting in the manner of Jean Dubuffet. I don't know who the hell that is, but the coast. But the host, Coiler, refuses to tell visitors who painted it. In any case, guests are like Pygmies next to the nearly twice life sized sculpture of a naked African warrior, he tells people he bought the house. Because he knew he could never live anywhere bigger, he thinks 51,000 square feet is an appropriately large space for someone like himself, who deals mostly in large concepts, especially large sums of money. So. That's Jeff Epstein's house in Manhattan. Evans, I'm going to I'm going to ask you to do something that you might not like to do, but you're the only person I know that I could ask to do this. If I ever make a billion dollars, just ******* kill me. Don't let me turn into one of these people. I'm worried that it's that it's it's going to happen. So if I ever become like crazy rich, don't assume that I'm going to be good, but assume they're going to catch whatever disease these these mutants have and and kill me in an environmentally conscious way. Yeah, yeah, that will that and and. We'll we'll have this podcast as evidence on the trial. Yes, and I am inevitably brought to trial for murder. Heavens, you fool to assume that in the future there will still be trial and laws. No, I'll just wind up like bicycle jousting with your next of kin around the water, yeah. Now, Jeffrey Epstein's big stupid mansion has a gigantic leather lined room dedicated entirely to drinking tea. If you want to make somebody start embracing the tenets of socialism, you might point out that there are 23,000 homeless children in New York City, and the child pimp to the Stars has a dedicated room just for tea. Just let that rattle around in your head a little bit when you think about where the top marginal income tax rate should be. We can't just say, like, look, this is what they do when we give them too much money. Yeah, it's very embarrassing. It's very, very right. And that I I got to give credit to Vicki, the author of that Vanity Fair article, because that was published at a time before many dark details were known about Epstein, and she was, like, the first person to really dig into him in a critical way. She definitely hinted at some very bad stuff and did a better job of anyone else of shining a spotlight on the darker parts of his career. And her article is kind of a master class in journalistic shade throwing. You can tell that she really dislikes this guy as she describes his giant house and all of his fancy things. She includes it, keeps it pretty fair. Neutral tone throughout. She includes ample quotes from her subject that present a more damning indictment of his person than any polemic ever could. At one point he shows her his giant living room rug, which he describes as quote, the largest Persian rug you will ever see in a private home so big it must have come from a mosque. Craig's my carpet so big we stole it from someone else's religious building. She's she's this guy. It goes, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but like you could ask a simple question. I guess you didn't even ask a question about the rug. You know, he just he just was like, he was like, I bet I can take this from normal to awful in seconds. It's not going to, I'm not going to break a sweat. How much cultural appropriation can I include? It's made of bones. Now, in the article, Vicki notes that most of Epstein's decor has been picked out by a famous French decorator, a guy who worked for prime ministers and royalty around the world. And then she notes that among all this finery quote, there is one particularly startling oddity, a stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano. No decorator would ever tell you to do that, Epstein brags to visitors. But I want people to think of what it means to stuff a dog. I don't know what that means. I don't. I don't. I don't know what that means. Now, Vicky suggests living here one more time. Yeah, yeah. There is one particularly startling oddity, a stuffed black poodle standing atop the grand piano. No decorator would ever tell you to do that, Epstein brags to visitors. But I want people to think what it means to stuff a dog. I want people to think what it means to stuff a dog. What does it mean to stuff a dog? Let's let's together. Let's honor his wishes and think about that. Think what it means to stuff a dog it means. You had a dog? Yep. It means the dog is dead. It means you had stuffing around or called a guy. It means you remove the stuff that was inside the dog and replace it with the stuffing. And then you sewed up the dog so people didn't. So people couldn't see it anymore, that it was sewed up? Yep. And then you put it on a piano because your parents made you take piano lessons. OK. I've thought about what it means to stuff a dog, and I'm no closer to anything, you know? I feel like I did the thing that he wants people to do, like I. It doesn't make me feel like. I didn't come away with that, thinking like, oh, man, he's powerful. He's smart. What wisdom? Handsome. I just thought, like, OK, I did. It's like, I when I think about what it means stuff a dog, I think of a very workmanlike process. What it means you got to remove some guts. You got to put some stuff in it. Yeah, gloves are probably involved, you know? Understand? Like embalming and sewing and proper disposal of dog guts. A lot of salt. I've thought about it. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. For what it's worth, Vicki Ward says that she thinks it's Epstein's way of saying he always gets the last word. I don't know why she thinks that, but I'm she spent a lot of time with him, so I'm going to guess she's Privy to some details. We're not. I really don't understand it. No, I don't like the way he says makes people think what it means to stuff a dog. It's. I feel like I understand that he's trying to conjure up some kind of. Mic drop moment, as if like, yeah, if you walked into my apartment and saw that I had a woolly mammoth Tusk. Mounted on a wall somewhere. That's a flex. I understand that being a flex because that means I either found a woolly mammoth, killed it and put its Tusk on my wall, broke into a museum, stole a Tusk, or had enough money to buy a Tusk. Those are three flexes that I understand as like a power move to show someone. A stuffed dog on a piano is not one of those flexes. It's not. I don't know what that means. Them either. Yeah, and I maybe it's just a way to make people feel. Yeah, yeah. It just it just keeps it confuses people. And that was Jeffrey's goal. Yeah. I, I, I yeah. Mission. Mission accomplished. You Coney Island sex monster. That's another good title for the episode Coney Island Sex Monster. Now, back in 2015, after Epstein's rampant, pedophilic pimping was common knowledge, and after he'd been out of prison for several years, Vicky Ward published another article about the man, this one for The Daily Beast. Its title was I tried to warn you about sleazy billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in 2003. Now, Ward was more explicit and less guarded in this article, stating outright that Epstein's claims of having made his fortune by managing the wealth of multiple billionaires was, quote, a story that no one I spoke to believed. Now, back in 2003, she'd spoken to Hoffenberg, his former partner in that Ponzi scheme. Hoffenberg had made some allegations about Epstein, but she hadn't really been able to go off on those alone because, you know, he was a felon in prison for fraud, and Jeffrey Epstein was a rich billionaire. You can't just, like, accuse billionaires of committing fraud off of the word of a guy who's in prison for fraud. You got to have more info than that. OK, just let me know when we reach the era where I can accuse billionaires of fraud from an uninformed gut instinct level. That is the. Yeah, when the economy collapses. And that's not a good era either. OK, so she had done some digging in this time and found proof that Epstein had been chased out of Bear Stearns for committing a violation, which is why we knew that in the 1st place she had brought this to Epstein and noted that he seemed almost concerned about the allegations of financial irregularities and crimes. This had baffled her. She'd been surprised that he'd brushed off these allegations, and in fact, Epstein had mainly brushed them off so that he could repeatedly ask her, what do you have? On the girls. Now. According to Ward quote, what I had on the girls were some remarkably brave first person accounts. 3 on their record stories from a family, a mother and her daughters who came from Phoenix. The oldest daughter, an artist whose character was vouchsafe to me by several sources, including the artist Eric Fischl, had told me, weeping as she sat in my living room, of how Epstein had attempted to seduce both her and, separately, her younger sister. Then only 16. He'd gotten to them because of his money. He'd promised the older sister patronage of her artwork. He'd promised the younger funding for a trip. A road that would give her work experience she needed on her resume for a place at an Ivy League University, which she desperately wanted so. The girl's mom had figured that they'd be safe at Epstein's home. After all, he'd flown around with Bill Clinton, funded 10s of millions of dollars in critical scientific research. Most of his friends were physicists. Plus she knew Gilzeane Maxwell will be there the whole time, the mother later told Ward. Quote, at the time, I wanted to go after him. I mean, physically, mentally, you know, in every way, shape and form. And the advice I was given was, you know, he is so wealthy. He can fight you, he can make you look ridiculous, he can make your daughters look ridiculous. Plus, he can hurt them. And that was the thing that frightened me. Was that he would know where they lived and could possibly just send somebody when they walked the dog at night or something around the corner and we'd never hear from them again. So yeah. There's a lot there, but. Most of his friends are physicists. Is kind of a new. Instinctual defense of a person's well aware of it is like, he seems nice. Most of his friends are physicists. Like, I'm I'm not saying that like it's it's one of those assumed all physicists are bad. I definitely didn't assume they were all good, though. I mean, it's just it just seems like an innocuous thing. It's one thing if it's like, ohh, my teenage daughter is going to be hanging out with ******* Jeremy Piven, which you know is immediately shady. It's another thing to be like, Oh well, this guy is like a billionaire who funds scientific research and pals around with Stephen Hawking. And the like, like, that seems like he's probably an upright citizen, you know? Yeah. He doesn't seem shady. Like, I can see how it's like, it's one thing, you know, you can throw some judgment on the parents who let their kids hang out with R Kelly when they were 15. And it's like there's been allegations about R Kelly for a long time. You know, in 2002, nobody was saying anything about Epstein but that he'd given $20 million in Harvard for math research. Like. That's it. It doesn't sound like stereotypical sexual abuser, although now it does because Jeffrey Epstein. Tip to the stars. OK, so. Ward brought the allegations that these young women had made to Epstein, and he denied them to her face, saying, quote, just the mention of a 16 year old girl carries the wrong impression. I don't see what it adds to the piece, and that makes me unhappy now. After she brought this up to Epstein, he repeatedly called her and Graydon Carter, the editor at Vanity Fair. Epstein took extreme measures to discredit the witnesses, reportedly mailing forged letters from them to Vanity Fair. At one point, Epstein made it somehow made it past building. Security and into Vanity fair's offices. It's unclear exactly what threats he made or didn't make, but Graydon Carter made the call to pull the women's allegations from the article. It came down to my sources words against Epstein's and at the time Graydon believed Epstein and my notebook. I have him saying I believe him. I'm Canadian. I don't know what the hell Canada has to do with it. Is that like a throwing Canada under the bus moment of like I believed him because we are? This is this is before. It was like the before the. Yeah. He was charged with crimes. I believed him because I'm I'm yeah. This is sweetie. I'm a sweet guy. That yeah. Yeah. That that Vanity Fair article includes no allegations of sex crimes. She had two witnesses going on record saying Epstein tried to seduce them when they were underage. But her editor talked to Epstein about the allegations against him and made the decision to pull those allegations because he trusted Epstein. OK, not really saying it's because he's he's Canadian. He's Canadians are are trustworthy. Classic not believing child sex abuse victims. I mean, it's just it's an easier to assemble puzzle than. Stuffed poodle on a piano that it is, that it is very fair. Now. Ward claims that during this time when she was writing the article, she became terrified of Jeffrey Epstein and what he might do to her. She says she was frightened enough that had probably had some impact on the children that she was pregnant with at the time. Both of her babies were born premature. Epstein? Yeah. Epstein had asked her where her babies were going to be born, and she knew that he had deep connections in the medical community, so she paid for security guards. To watch her babies where they were in the NICU. Her 2015 article ends with this line quote. When they'd been released home some months later, I went out to my first party. There was Jeffrey Epstein sucking a lollipop. Vicki, he said. **** you, you look so pretty. Epstein yeah, it's. We have a couple of different types of ********. I mean, you have me, I'm, I'm putting the cuffs on. When you say you saw him in a party sucking a lollipop, like, no, this guy done some ****. This guy's a pedophile. Woke up from a 30 year, walked into a party and I saw this 42 year old billionaire second Lollipop. Put him in chains, get him out of here, put him in prison. We'll try him later. Something's being broken here. We do. Like, there's a couple of different kinds of ******** we get. There's the guys like L Ron Hubbard who like, in an objective way, yeah, probably did more evil in the world than Jeffrey Epstein has, if you look at all of the consequences of his actions. But you can't help but kind of like the guy when you read about him enough, because his evil is just so, like, kooky and weird and eccentric and he's like getting people to look for gold on boats in the ocean and stuff. That's fun, Epstein. Like, there's no fun. In him, he's just yeah, it's like Cosby. It's just horrible. Right. It's just a a bad guy with no conscience. Yeah, and. Is there? I mean, not to make you play armchair psychiatrist, psychologist or anything like that, but that's basically about you. Nothing about what you said about his upbringing made it seem like. The the seeds. Of evil were playing there like like you brought up no trauma, you say? Like Coney Island was rough, but he also had parents that were. Spending a lot of money to give him a good education. So, so I'm not that I'm trying to find good in him, I'm trying to find. An inception point. Because the alternative to it was trauma that caused this moral lapse, not moral lapse. Moral implosion for this person. The alternative to that is he was born soulless and evil, which is the thing that I I. I don't really believe in I I don't think he thinks like I I don't think he's a mustache twirling villain. I don't think he views these girl. These girls are obviously victims. I want to be clear about that. I don't think he views them that way. I think he probably felt bad when he penetrated that teenager with his penis and she said no, which is why he gave her $1000. Now obviously that doesn't, that doesn't come close to making it right. But I think he viewed most of these as like well these girls are getting money out of this and they're getting connections. And I'm not forcing myself on them. They're coming into my room and providing this service. It's fine. I'm so smart and evolved in our societies, attitudes on when young girls should have sex with 58 year old men are behind the times. I mean, I guess that's Epstein's justification that there's no reason that I shouldn't have sex with a 12 year old as long as I'm not violently forcing it on her. This is a question that I don't know if you have the answer to or or here can answer well what it will do to me. But does he have children? Epstein, did you ever end up having children not even like like like I don't think so. He's probably had children. No. And and covered it up but like children that are that that he claims is his own and had any kind of part in raising. I didn't run into any story of that. I don't think he's been married. He was kind of famous in in the article. He's. Yeah. Ladies. Like there was a lot of. The speculation that Gilzeane Maxwell, that British socialite, was like his lover and stuff. And it turned out she was just, you know, helping him run his pimping empire. Pimpare, yeah. So I, I, I think he was just like he had this image of like being kind of this like rich bachelor, like Bruce Wayne type character. Yeah, that's what everyone thinks of, but we have. Eds that was good. Do you wanna you wanna try doing a product, Dan? Do I want to charging products? Yeah, you know my, my catch phrase. Alright, give me, give me one more. Yeah, OK. Products. That's it. Sophie's giving me a thumbs down, but I think you were great. You need to know that I'm shouting products alone in my apartment. Dan I do that every single night of my life. Products. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. 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OK, so roughly 2 years after Vicki Ward wrote her first article in Vanity Fair and, you know, had her premature babies, investigators in Palm Beach started talking to young women they believed might have been abused by Jeffrey Epstein. This was 2005. They started pulling his trash and they found scraps of paper with phone numbers and the names of several young girls on them. Next they talked to Epstein's Butler and eventually gathered enough evidence to charge him and two of his assistants with unlawful sex acts with a minor. This led to a larger FBI investigation. Which identified some 40 suspected victims and 40 is just sort of where they stopped. It was clear from the details of the case that many, many, many, many, many more girls have been victimized by Jeffrey Epstein over the years and across the country. Probably hundreds of them, maybe more than hundreds of them. The two cops most responsible for bringing Epstein down were Palm Beach Police chief Michael writer and detective Joseph Rakari. They conducted their investigation in the face of overwhelming resistance, both from state level elected officials, fellow law enforcement officers. And Jeffrey Epstein's formidable legal machine. And I do want to like, I'm not. Normally, you know me, Dan. I'm not normally one for the law enforcement side of things, but these two guys are legitimate heroes in my book. It was one of those things where, like, they saw something was ****** ** and realized that it was going to be a nightmare for them to go after this guy, and they did it anyway because he was abusing dozens of young girls, and that's not cool. No, I yeah, I agree. Yeah. According to the Miami Herald quote, Police reports showed that Epstein's private investigators attempted to conduct interviews while posing as cops, that they picked through writers trash in search of dirt to discredit him, and that the private investigators were accused of following the girls and their families. And one case, the father of one girl claimed he had been run off the road by a private investigator, police and court reports show. Now, Epstein hired a legal dream team in order to defend him from these allegations of sexual trafficking. This dream team included Alan Dershowitz, noted celebrity lawyer of Mike Tyson, Patty Hearst, and OJ Simpson. It also included Kenneth Starr, a man whose investigation of a minor land deal had spiraled into an investigation into President Clinton's relationship with an intern. Now that he defended morality in a battle against the Clinton machine, Starr went to work defending one of Bill Clinton's good friends from charges of serial. Child molestation consistency is important now, as we all know. In any case, we're a bunch of young teenage girls are accusing a man of means of rampant sexual assault and trafficking. Step one of any competent legal defense is going to be to dig into those girls lives and destroy them in front of a judge. Epstein's team of super good human beings got right to work doing this. First, Alan Dershowitz met with Detective Rakari and shared with him the results of an investigation Epstein had paid for, which revealed one of the girls to be, quote, an accomplished drama. Student in other words, Dershowitz is saying she's a liar, according to a letter that Dershowitz wrote the detective quote. Our investigation has discovered at least one of her websites, and I am enclosing some examples the site goes on to detail, including photos her apparent fascination with marijuana. Oh, Oh yeah. In interviews with the Miami Herald, Rakari further recalled quote, his attorney showed us a Myspace page where one of the girls was holding a beer in her hand and they said, oh look, she is underage drinking. Well, tell me, what teenager doesn't does that mean she isn't a victim because she drank a beer? Basically what you're telling me is that the only victim of a sexual battery could be a nun. I like Detective Rakari, another Epstein victim, reported similar behavior from his lawyers, telling the Miami Herald. Quote, his lawyers were just in my life, inside and out. They asked if I had a baby, if I had an abortion. Did you sleep with 30 different guys? Do you think that played a part? I said. You're going to come at me like that when you represent a guy who is doing this to hundreds of girls. How do you sleep at night? And I hate to say this young woman, but all of Epstein's lawyers sleep at night on a pile of money hundreds, hundreds of feet tall. I think, I think it's pretty safe to say that. Anyone who's ever been asked the question how do you sleep at night? I think it's pretty fair to say they sleep just fine. Yeah, if if you're asking a person that question, if there's not like, guilt and shame on their face, yeah, if they did the thing, then they already don't know why they should be ashamed of it. It's it's. I mean, I have trouble sleeping at night. Because these people exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The rest of us have trouble sleeping at night. Not the sociopaths who exist in the orbit of helping these these people not get charged for their you got rich by ruining people's lives. How did you sleep at night? Easily. Comfortably. Like, really? No problem. You guys don't know how good bed technology has gotten. If you're. You got your beds out of a box? My badge was forged in the Himalayan mountains. It's yeah, I had like a bed. Bed guy come and measure me and then make a bed around my body. Hmm. It's perfect. It's never had a better sleep. It's the only one of its kind. They actually burnt down the forest that made the fibers for the beds that no one else can ever have a similar bed. Cost a little bit extra, but it's worth it. Uh, so Palm Beach attorney Barry Kerscher and state prosecutor Lana Belohlavek seemed to have found themselves in a similar situation to Vanity Fair's editor. As the case progressed, Epstein's attorneys made the kind of quiet, technically legal threats that lawyers know how to make. And so the prosecutor and state attorney stopped picking up the phone for the tective rakari and police chief writer. They delayed approving subpoenas for the case, writer later recalled. Quote. Early on, it became clear that things had changed from Kercher saying, we'll put this guy away for life, too. These are all the reasons why we aren't going to prosecute this. There was evidence of shady donations made by Epstein to the Police Department. After the beginning of the investigation, writer returned at least one of these donations, but it's entirely possible that more money changed hands. Some of Epstein's victims later recalled him bragging that he owned the Palm Beach Police Department. Both the police chief? Yeah, that's called a humble brag. Now both the police chief and the detective became convinced their trash was being sorted through and that they were being followed through about the day by private eyes. When they finally got to raid Epstein's mansion on October 20th, 2005, it looked as if he'd been tipped off. Most of his hard drives, surveillance cameras and videos had been removed hastily. Still, they found a lot of damning material. According to the Miami Herald quote, they obtained dozens of messages paged from his home that read like a Who's who of famous people, including magician David Copperfield and Donald Trump. An indication of Epstein's vast circle of influential friends, there were also messages from girls, and their phone numbers matched those of many of the girls Rakari had interviewed, Rakari said. They read. Courtney called. She can come at 4:00, or Tanya can't come at 7:00 PM tomorrow because she has soccer practice. Gross, gross, gross, gross. Gross. On the same pieces of paper with Donald Trump's phone number? Yeah, that's like even regardless of the of the year, it feels like. My my two friends Donald Trump and David Copperfield was never a never a flex. Oh yeah, they also found naked photographs of underage girls in Epstein's closet, which means the fact that they still found all this stuff after he'd been tipped off means that before Epstein had his house cleaned, there was so much child *********** and incriminating information that a billionaires team of cleaners couldn't remove at all. They in his class, I mean, I assumed that there were a lot more naked photographs and they just missed some because he had so many. I guess that's what that that's got to be. What that means. I can't be like, look, you gave us a month, we your house is so ******* huge. Yeah, like, we we got rid of so much illegal stuff from the main wing of it. But I don't know, there's some nooks and crannies we couldn't get to. There's so many. It's a huge house, Jeff. Like, you have a lot of pictures of children. Uh, so the case dragged on through 2006 and into 2007. By October, the prosecution was in the hands of Alexander Acosta, the top federal prosecutor in Miami. He met with one of Epstein's lawyers, Jay Lefkowitz, with whom Acosta had worked in the past. The two former coworkers hammered out a deal for the final resolution of Epstein's case. This non prosecution agreement shut down the ongoing FBI probe into Epstein's crimes. It also guaranteed that the full nature of Epstein's. Times would be concealed from his victims. In other words, a Costa agreed to give Jeffrey Epstein a plea agreement that no one actually got to see or read, including his victims. Epstein how long is that one of the the types of legal things that one day will get revealed to the world? No, it's a forever. Listeners at home, you can't tell this because this is again an audio medium. But I am sad physically. Yeah, very, very visibly sad. Sad with a dog in your lap, which is a hard, hard to be. Yeah, I like just crestfallen while getting my my chin licked by my adorable puppy dog. He is said to, yeah, he he doesn't know why sad little guy, but he's sad. Now, Epstein did have to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court, but his four named accomplices received immunity from their federal charges. The deal also gave immunity to quote any potential Co conspirators, meaning anyone else involved in Epstein's crimes who the government hadn't found out about yet was retroactively declared off the hook. That's the kind of agreement Jeffrey Epstein got thanks to Alexander Acosta. What are you like? That's such a sweet deal. It's a great deal. What do you what do you think happened to the guy who gave him that great deal? Alexander Acosta. He's Donald Trump's secretary of Labor. You didn't let me guess I was going to say something good and wholesome. Ohh, so bad. When questioned about his role in letting a criminal network of child molesters off the hook in exchange for giving one guy a slap on the wrist, a Costa said quote at the end of the day, based on the evidence, professionals within a prosecutor's office decided that a plea that guarantees someone goes to jail, that guarantees he register as a sex offender generally and guarantees other outcomes, is a good thing. How long did you go to jail for? Well, we're getting to that. You said you said he got OK? Yeah. Yeah. Well, Epstein, you said he got more than a year. Yeah. Which sucks. Yeah. Epstein was required to register as a sex offender and pay restitution to three dozen victims. He was also required to admit to committing only one offence against an underage girl. And that girl was labeled a prostitute in the official court documents, although she was 14 at the time. Just so we're clear, there is no such thing as a 14 year old prostitute by law any 14 year old. Having sex with an adult is a rape victim. Any 14 year old being sold for sex is a trafficking victim. There is no such thing as a 14 year old prostitute unless you are as wealthy as Jeff Epstein. So the 36 women he had to pay did get sizable chunks of money, but only after enduring multiple years of having their lives torn apart by Epstein's army of private eyes and lawyers. Jenna Lisa Jones, who says Epstein molested her when she was 14, later recalled. You beat yourself up mentally and physically. You can't ever stop your thoughts. A word can trigger something. For me, it is. The word pure because he called me pure in that room, and then I remember what he did to me in that room. Ooh, you're leaving, you're leaving air there for me to make a a joke, it seems, or to have some kind of comment other than like, no, it's even vomiting or screaming. Other than that, it's it's ad plug time. Oh my God, I know what a bad line to lead into, Anza. This is why we have trouble, Dad. I hope you're happy to be associated with this, whatever it is. The name of that company that the culture kings used to buy shoes on, I forget. Been advertised on me. They haven't. Oh well, they won't now. No, we should get like a like a guillotine manufacturer or or something like that on board. Those are thriving now, huh? Yeah, yeah, it's coming back, baby. 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In 2009, Epstein's former Butler, a guy named Rodriguez, tried to sell Epstein's Little black book to an undercover FBI agent pretending to be a lawyer. You know this is illegal. You can't do that. And he served some time in prison, more time than Epstein served for running a child rape. OK, 14 months is what Epstein is not enough time Evans and he did not go to prison. Epstein went to a jail, a private luxury jail, basically a Country Club with bars, the absolute minimum level of security and restriction possible for an incarcerated person, and he didn't even have to stay there all the time. He was allowed out on work release for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week, which he spent in his own office taking male and female visitors freely with no oversight. By the deputies who sat outside the reception room and waited for him to go home. Also, what work is he still doing? He was having sex with people. Dan. Also, he paid the salaries of those deputies while they were watching him. There's no conflict of interest there. Nope. Here's the Miami Herald again. In their early reports in July 2008, the deputies referred to Epstein as inmate. But within a few weeks, the language had changed and he was called a client. He was occasionally allowed to take a break for lunch by sitting outside in a park, the records show, and they also gave him permission to scout for a new office. While on work release, he was required to wear an ankle bracelet to monitor his whereabouts. So that's something now. Disagree. Epstein's work release was approved by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office because they say he met the criteria for their work release program and there was no factual basis to deny the program to him when any other inmate in his situation would have been eligible. However, an incredibly basic amount of digging, literally reading the departments work release policy, reveals that sex offenders are specifically ineligible for work release. When questioned about this, a department spokesperson first claimed that Epstein was not a sex offender at the time, and then clammed up and stopped responding. It was noted that he had been required to register as a sex offender. Also, it came out that Epstein was, yeah, paying the officers who guarded him while he was out on work release. So. That's good. That seems like justice now. I will say Dan Epstein's lifestyle certainly took a hit during his time in jail. A report by the Smoking Gun revealed that his purchases from what his purchases were from the jail commissary. He spent most of his money on teriyaki meat sticks, pop tarts, and Little Chubb sausages, along with substantial quantities of lubriderm and the finest leather shoes a jail store could provide. They were what are the finest leather shoes of jail store can provide? I haven't been to jail in a while, and I don't really know how to market. Has shifted since they cost $72.00, so I'm gonna assume it's a serious step down from Epstein's usual leather shoes. That's more than I typically spend on shoes, though. Yeah, more than yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now during his parole, yeah. He spent like, a year on parole after he got out of jail where he was supposed to be, you know, confined to staying in Florida. But every time he requested to travel outside of the state, his requests were granted, seemingly with no resistance after his parole. In the almost decade since it ended, Jeffrey Epstein has continued to enjoy a life of unbridled. Success he bought a new private jet. He switched his permanent residence to his island, Little St Jeff, since New York and Florida required him to register as a sex offender. Whatever the truth behind Epstein's rise to wealth and power, it's clear that his financial resources are still seemingly inexhaustible. He's continued to donate to charities, funding scientific research, and even starting an online TV network, Neuro TV, that focuses on interviews with great thinkers and scientists. His great and good friends seem to have forgiven him his trespasses. Stephen Hawking visited his island in 2006. In 2010, his island or he hosted Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, Chelsea Handler and Woody Allen to a lavish dinner. Woody Allen I get. Yeah, I get why Woody Allen didn't have any issues with this. Alan Dershowitz, who at age 80 seems to spend most of his free time defending the Trump administration on TV, responds to questions about his representation of Epstein with lines like, I plead guilty to making a deal that was favorable to my client, Kenneth Starr said I was happy to respond to the needs of a client of the firm when Daily Beast reporter Alexander Wolfe questioned theoretical physicist and Professor Lawrence Krauss about his friend and benefactor Jeff Epstein, Krause said quote, as a scientist, I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has. Women aged 19 to 23 around him, but I've never seen anything else. Normally, yeah, that's a troubling quote. Do you ever think about shaking the show up and, like, doing something that won't bum people out? Is that? Is that is that on your list as like a Christmas episode? Maybe we did, we did that Christmas episode about Raoul Wallenberg, the guy who saved 100,000 Jewish people during the Holocaust and then got murdered by the the Soviets. OK. And that's your example is like a thing that doesn't bum people out. Yeah, that that's that's upbeat for us, OK. Sure. Ohh now, Epstein has of course continued to fight his accusers in court over dozens of lawsuits across the last several years. He settled a civil case against him just last December. There is currently a pending suit in Florida that seeks to throw out the entire non prosecution agreement against him on the basis that it was illegal to make because dozens of Epstein's victims were never given the chance to know about it. So Dan, I will end this on a little bit of an upside note. It is still possible that some version of justice will be done and that some of his named and. Potential Co conspirators might finally have to spend time in court. It's not necessarily likely that this will happen, but it is possible. That's the happy, happy happiest ending I got for you, man. Unlikely, but possible. Hmm. Yeah, eventually justice might get done. Alright, that's that's the. Put that on a ******* bumper sticker and then drive that car right off a Cliff. And and Dan, I mean, this is pretty bad. Alexander Acosta was in line to become the new Attorney general, and then people made a big fuss out of him letting this serial pedophile off and he had to just stay the secretary of Labor. That's a bummer for him and his family of goblins and his family of goblins. I bet the health plan isn't as good as Secretary of Labor. Yeah, yeah. Hey man, this sucks. This this whole thing sucked real bad. This is a real, real, real soul crash here. Can you tell me what? Jeffrey is doing right now, uh, spending most of his time on his private island, still probably having a lot of sex with very young people. Is he professionally like, does he run a consulting firm? Is he still doing schemes? And yeah. He still manages money. I suspect if he ever did much of that, like, that's the thing. I have to wonder, like, the conspiratorial side of me thinks, like, yeah, **** maybe he was just pimping out kids and getting paid by rich people for that. I don't know. It was probably a mix. He probably did some financial stuff, but like, clearly. Like, who knows what he's doing now, other than being impossibly wealthy and owning a house in Manhattan that could comfortably. How is 10,000 at least of the 23,000 homeless kids in the city? I don't know, Dan. Whoo. You want to plug your Twitter? No, I don't. I mean. I maintain a pretty strict I don't plug like Twitter, Instagram. So I don't know it's like my least favorite part of podcast when it gets to the end like. So where can people find you online? I understand it's good for creators and everything, but. Like, as a podcast listener, I hate it. Will tell our childrenofthenight.org is a great organization I mentioned in the last podcast for children rescued from childhood prostitution. You should support them, and anyway you can. I will plug a thing that I was associated with just because there are other people who work there that aren't just me, so it feels less selfish. I write for a show called last week tonight. It requires a lot of work from a lot of people. We were an amazing staff of writers, researchers, producers, footage people, directors, and they all work very hard and spent a lot of time reading about horrible issues the same way that Evans does. And then at the end of the week we try to present that work to you in a 30 minute occasionally funny. Attempting to be funny, but always trying to be informative format. Lessons and jokes, you know, so check out last week tonight if you have HBO. Yeah, check out last week tonight and I'm gonna plug a thing that's probably the worst. I'm gonna get fired. It's probably the worst plug. I am going to plug your book since you didn't if you if you could use a pick me up after all of these horrible stories of child molestation, Dan O'Brien has a really fun and entertaining and educational book called How to Fight Presidents. And after this episode, you probably want to fight a couple of presidents. Yeah. Yeah. So the main one that you're going to want to fight, the main two that you're going to want to fight? Yeah. They're not featured in the book. They're not apologize, but you can synthesize some of that information. Yeah, and and maybe this episode will get Dan talked to by the. Secret Service again? Yeah, sure, that's fine. We're all pals at this point. They got you on speed dial. Well, I'm Robert Evans. I also think you should donate to children of the night or volunteer, if that is possible in your area. And now I'm going to seamlessly transition to saying you can buy T-shirts and hoodies and stickers from RT public store behind the ********. We've got a Raoul Wallenberg hoodie. Save lives do crimes. That's that's my motto. Not the kind of crimes Epstein did. Good. Are you are you still doing the the nachos one? We do have nachos. Not Nazis. Doritos. Not dictators. Doritos has not sued us for using the name of their product, so that's counts as a kind of support. That's good. Yeah. Thanks, John dorito. Well, you can find this podcast on Twitter and Instagram. And at best, it's pod. You can find us on the Internet at behindthebastards.com, along with all of the articles and sources and stuff for this this podcast of horrors. That's all. We'll be back next week with something else that will break your heart and that you'll listen to for reasons that are beyond my understanding, I love about 40% of. 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