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What's X in my Y? I'm Robert Evans. How was that intro, guys? Great. I'm actually solidly approved. Thumbs up all around the room. This is a podcast where I talk about the worst people in all history. Tell you what you don't know about them. Today is part two of our epic three partner podcast on George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the idea of Neo Nazism, the inventor of Holocaust denial, and the world's first. Free speech, warrior God, it's unreal. It's so believable. My guest today, Cody Johnson. Katie stole. How are you doing? We're so good. Still so good. Now we have a new sponsor who has not paid us a dime, but who I will be shilling for nonetheless. Because, Cody, you realize that the tagline written on the product is hilarious. Hazelnut coffee mate by Nestle and according to the Box 1 pump one cream. Ohh yeah, one pump, one cream, one pump, one cream, one puzzle nut, one pump, one cream, one love. So you heard it here on behind the ******** by Nestle coffee mate hazelnut and think of seamen 1 pump one cream, one pump, one cream on a hazelnut fan. Neither am I I don't like coffee, mate, but I think it's funny. I really hope that had stopped listening. By that point, the check was already in the mail. Better could you not read our one pump 1 green slogan? I wonder if they use that same slogan for products other than the Hazelnut 1 pump 1 green. I wonder if they know what they did. I mean that someone knows. Speaking of far right extremists, that could work as the as the slogan for the proud boys who don't masturbate. That's because one pump, 1 green. No pumps, no creams. Pep Boys, Speaking of the proud boys, let's talk about their ideological great grandfather. Can't wait. George Lincoln Rockwell. Love him, I'm gonna say up front, scratch that. Don't worry. They're going to be a number of. There were slurs in the lap last episode. They're going to be a number of slurs specifically directed towards black people. In this episode, I do not say and will not say the N word, but I will read a couple of the other slurs that are used usually just once, and then I will refer to them euphemistically thereafter just so that you understand what's being said and so I'm not unduly kind of cleaning up the ugliness here. So that's kind of the sweet spot. We'll try to find it. Thank you, Robert. Let's dive into it. Much of George Lincoln Rockwell's career as America's premier racist involved him following in the footsteps of Martin Luther King. Junior and basically trolling America's premier civil rights icon. On January 18th, 1965, when MLK held a voter registration drive in Selma, AL George Lincoln Rockwell was there too, in his own words, cause agitation and run Mr **** out of town. That was Rockwell's nickname for Doctor King. I will use Mr C from here on out. He also called him Martin Luther. You can guess, yeah. Quote from Rockwell. Mr C is a pro and I ran him out of Danville, VA and I believe I can run him out of Selma. The only technique is to show these communist type agitators how ridiculous they are now. Rockwell put together a wolf and. Come on man, they're so silly. Raquel put together a cunning plan to ruin Doctor King's voter registration drive. His first idea was to try and convince the city fathers to declare the day of the drive to be inward day. Oh my gosh, real creative. He wanted to hang banners across the entrances of the town. That said, welcome inwards to see day and Selma. Of course, he used the full slurs in both cases. So it's called both is different. Yeah, different. Different. 2 slurs in the band. Poor branding. Branding now. I don't know what terrible thing it is now. I don't know which awful thing. Yeah, they're never gonna find you on on Google that way. Lincoln Rockwell. Come on. Jesus Christ. Get it together. For some reason, the White City fathers of Selma did not think this was a good idea. So I just. I just have to reiterate here. This guy is too racist for both the 1960s FBI and the White City fathers of 1960s Selma, AL, the town that shot black people with fire hoses. That's pretty intense. They listen to rock when we're like, whoa, buddy. Right. It's not. I mean, like, we hear you, but, like, whoa, right. Not even, like, don't say that stuff out loud. It's like, don't say that. Don't say that stuff. And then she. And sure, like, we also, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna send the letter to try to convince him to kill himself. We're going to have beaten and jailed. Yeah, but, like, that's what we're like. We're legal. We're like the lawn or types of racists. OK, next Rockwell suggested creating a special sea day in Selma menu for restaurants to give out to jig integrators. And that's the last time I'll use that word either when they demanded service. It's painfully uncomfortable. Not at all the wacky, stupid racism of the second KKK. Remember the second KKK? Those were the days. People, those larpers, those larpers Rockwell was whatever else? Not a ******* larper Rockwell was probably the greatest big in America has ever seen. The patron St of racism here is part of the menu he wanted local restaurants to adopt. Is this going to be like, if you have like a viewing party for like, Breaking Bad and you like, do puns on all the food? But it's yeah, but it's with racism. I sound excited, but I'm really not. No, I I don't even want to read it, but I'm going to. And again, I will be euphemistically referring to. There's no cases here. The restaurants of the city extend a warm welcome to all C words, J words in words, apes, baboons and any other jungle life seeking to enjoy communist race mixing benefits promised by Martin Luther Seward. In honor of the occasion, our chef has lovingly prepared a special menu of the favorite inward foods. We ask only that our Seward guests refrain from snapping at waiters or nibbling on other guests while waiting for service. The menu he prepared included quote hot stuffed deviled Jew, Sammy Davis junior special. He thought Sammy Davis junior was a Jew. I don't. I don't. I don't know, I don't know. But that came up a lot but the common misconception. Name for it. That's not that's too many words. Yeah, I mean, Sammy Davis junior, but the name of Sammy Davis junior. Sammy Davis. Like, why did you just called Sammy Davis junior? I know. It's you know. Yeah, that's much better. Let's not. I don't want to give him notes on his racism menu, but, like, let's not, like, armchair racist. That's fair. That's fair. Move on this man, you know? This was not popular among local business owners either. He also tried to get local businesses to print out posters to put in the windows of every business in town, but no one was willing to do that either. Rockwell also handed out dozens of A&P hate Nanny records. These included such hit songs as ship those inwards back and we as nonviolent inwards. He hoped that local restaurants and bars would put them in their jukebox boxes, but nobody obliged him in this either. So that's good and it plays racism, rock'n'roll. Yep, of course he plays racism. Rock'n'roll. He's George Lincoln Rockwell. Yeah. How would he does Rockwell? He does quite well. Quite well. I had to use it. He doesn't deserve it. But I couldn't. I couldn't not deserve anything. No, no, no. He deserves one thing, and it comes at the end of this episode. Yeah, one tears. So Raquel was able to get enough donations to fly Robert Lloyd, one of his most loyal stormtroopers, into Selma with a hideously racist ape costume. Rockwell's goal was to get Lloyd close enough to Doctor King to cause a spectacle that would get him on TV and presumably drum up more donations for the A&P. Tragically for the Nazis, Lloyd was caught by the police before he could find Doctor King. He was arrested next. According to the book for Race and Nation quote, Rockwell went to the courthouse to bail Lloyd out and bumped into King, who was attempting to register blacks to vote. Now my rate, Rockwell blasted King with all the venom he could muster. He poked the stem of his corncob pipe at King's face and asked him if he was man enough to stand up nonviolently and debate him so he could prove to the world that King was using the local in words not helping them. Get to it, Cody. Wow. To make me bro. They're doing it. They're really making it happen. Doctor King actually agreed to let Raquel speak at the meeting. He rescinded the invitation after he completely different racist who actually hated Rockwell 2 assaulted him for trying to register at a hotel. When Rockwell was turned away, he demanded entrance to the church where Doctor King was doing his meeting. The police arrested Rockwell for disorderly conduct. Now that probably sounds like a disaster, but it was actually totally worthwhile for Rockwell and for the A&P. The brief face to face confrontation he had with Doctor King became national news and earned the Nazi Party. My attention and donations that Rockwell craved. Debate me. Coward. Debate me. Debate me, you coward. Hmm. Like you got like 2, like, awful sides. And they're like, hey. Mother, King, junior, kill yourself and the other ones debate me. Yeah, and they both mean the same thing. They both mean like they have the same goal to destroy 1, right? Let's think for a second, just to cleanse our palate. What an incredible human being Doctor Martin Luther King was and how much he achieved. That's that's a nice thing to think, like a little break, mental break here, just like, what a nice idea. But you just have to change the world in an incredible way. Like people couldn't use water fountains and he galvanized a movement. And there were a lot of other people involved, obviously, who sacrificed and did a lot as well. But like just a great human being who will be remembered long after Rockwell has been forgotten, perhaps been forgotten. Most beloved, yeah. Cultural icon people talk about. Not better. More than any president, more than any other figure American figure, we see people on the 20. No, you leave Lincoln on the five, but put him on the one too. Put on the one. Yeah, put him on most of the money. Put him on most of the money. A lot of people quote them incorrectly these days. Yes, they do, when they talk about free speech and try to get people to debate them. Yeah, because also, like, it's good. Because, like Rockwell, not many people know about him or know much about him, and that's technically good, but at the same time, it's real bad. We should know about this stuff that he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. Pallet cleanser. OK. As this wannabe American fewer spat racial hatred and lurid anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, the American Jewish community was far from silent. We're talking about 20 years after the death camps were shut down. There were Americans in their 30s and 40s who had survived Auschwitz. There were thousands of Jewish American war veterans who had literally killed Nazis with machine guns. These people were not about to let this ****** ******* Nazi try his fascist ******** out in another country, however, no one could quite agree on precisely what should be done. Some groups, like the Jewish American War Veterans Organization, landed solidly on the punch Nazis end of the scale, and they did quite a bit of that. But most Jewish people backed a completely different strategy. I'm going to read a description of the evolution of that strategy from the book American Future by Frederick Simonelli quote. In the 1940s, Doctor Solomon Antill Feinberg of the American Jewish Committee devised a strategy of containment against that era's most flagrant anti Semite, Gerald LK Smith. Feinberg initially called that strategy dynamic silence. For the silent treatment, he later renamed it Quarantine, a term he believed more accurately described the process. The quarantine strategy included two key components, coordination among major American Jewish community organizations to minimize public confrontations between an anti Semite and his or her opponents in order to deny the anti Semite. A dramatic event that would invite publicity and the dissemination of information on the background and tactics of the anti Semite to the news media in an attempt to convince the media that in the absence of a violent confrontation between an anti Semite and his or her adversaries, there was little. Newsworthy, and what the anti Semite had to say the strategy intended to quote prevent the rabble rouser from becoming a serious public menace by depriving him of the publicity he needs to increase his audience. Yeah, it's a good strategy. Feinberg advocated for this strategy heavily and succeeded in getting the Jewish community to adopt his plan against Gerald Smith. It worked splendidly. But in 1958, after Rockwell created Wolphins in the National Committee to Free America from Jewish domination, no one was quite sure what to do. This was a new kind of racist, a trained PR expert who knew how to work the modern TV and radio media, Rockwell said in an interview near the end of his life. Quote. When I was in the advertising game, we used nude women. Now I use the swastika and stormtroopers you use what brings them in? Yeah, yeah. William Pierce, one of Rockwell's most prominent stormtroopers and a guy we will be talking about in Part 3, described Rockwell Strategy as concentrating quote, the activities of his small group under circumstances especially chosen to provoke violent opposition. Anything and everything to gain mass publicity, to become generally recognized as the opponent of the Jews. So he wanted them to fight him. This was part of why he decided to turn Wootens into the American Nazi Party. He wanted he and his men to wear swastikas, lots of them, specifically because it was the best way. To trigger Jewish people, he believed. Quote upon seeing the Swastika, Jews lost their cold, calculating reasoning abilities and became hysterical, screaming with fear and rage at the American Nazi Party. This reaction led Jews to unwittingly aid the movement while moving to stamp out Nazism. They were forced to give the party free publicity. Some juice, particularly Jewish war veterans, obliged Rockwell by flipping out and trying to crack his ******* Nazi skull, which I certainly understand. Solid and solid impulse. There were numerous brawls at various A&P events, speeches, and protests over the years. Often the Jewish veterans would wind up tangling with the police, who tended to surround the smaller number of A&P men in order to protect them. Another thing that never happened again, never happened again. This worked for a while, but a little over a year into Rockwell's career as an Agent Provocateur, that. That Feinberg guy, the architect of the quarantine policy, succeeded in getting the American Jewish community or a JC to back his plan. Now, these guys were not just saying ignore them and they'll go away. This was not just being like, oh, just ignore them. Just ignore. They weren't just saying that these guys were activists. Representatives of Jewish community groups would go to newspaper editors, radio and television producers before big Nazi events. They would urge the media not to cover the story. Letters exist to show how this effort went, and they were always very cordial. The goal was to convince the paper to stop their coverage. It was not a threat. The Nazis did claim that Jewish community groups threatened to boycott newspapers and the like who reported on Nazis, but there is zero actual evidence of this ever happening. The Washington Post, for example, broke the quarantine and suffered no reprisals. In March of 1960, Rockwell wrote the post a letter saying he planned to speak at the Capital mall. He invoked the specter of left wing violence against his totally peaceful demonstration stating quote, some citizens have been threatening us with violence and forcible suppression of our peaceful right to address our fellow Americans according to the law. Now this was patent ******** Rockwell. Absolutely had violent intentions. Immediately after that rally, which turned violent, he sent a letter out to his supporters and regular donors saying his goal was to quote, provoke and aggravate the Jew traders beyond endurance. We only knew they would attack, but we sought their attack. Our activity has been successful beyond our wildest dreams, and all of it has been aimed not at education or waking people up, but at gaining power. And then, and only then, can we exterminate the swarms of Jewish traders and our gas chambers. He's got casting a little anger. You make them mad, you. I want to talk about a little story, something that happened to me in December when I was in Portland watching a rally called the hymn to rally, which is billed as a response in the Me too movement by members of Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys. Two of the great groups out there. So after their rally, which was cordoned off and heavily protected by police, they took a very long circuitous route back to their cars and we're surrounded by a group of anti fascists. Most of those people yelled, but some of them threw things, including bottles, which eventually prompted the police to use flash bang grenades on the crowd to disperse them. After this altercation, which was heavily videotaped and photographed, my cameraman was right behind Joey Gibson and one of his right hand men as they walked away and caught a snippet of conversation in which the guy looked. And said that could not have gone better. There it is. There it is. I mean, that's what I'm thinking the whole time you're reading this, and that is what they want. And then when we talk about how do you deal with the proud boys or deal with any of them, you have to keep that in mind, that playing into their hand. And I do want to say there is something to be said, like, it's also worth noting because this what's happening today is not entirely the same as what was happening back then. When there aren't large groups to confront them, we see what happens in New York City, where they start randomly assaulted. Yeah, there's people there, there for protection. Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying anti fascists like street activism is useless. I am saying this is part of a very old strategy. Right, right. Just understanding like you're playing into their plan and you might need to, yeah, you might need to because they might try to beat the **** out of some, but you have to like keep it in check and like have that awareness understand? Yeah, that's where they're and always frame it like that because then it's like that's actually great that that is on camera. Yeah, but it's not the only time that we've seen those sort that that mask sort of slip off or like even like the proud boys explicitly say like, yeah, go get into fights, go provoke them. How you rank up, right. Exactly. Yeah, it's I mean patriot prayers model is **** around and find out, right. That's like they're their goal is that they want, they want to trigger you. They want to make you mad so you get upset. It's almost like like fast do care about your feelings. No. Yeah. Oh yes. Yes. It is like that. It is like trying to just trying something out. Try trying to tie a couple of things together, trying to try to put a little bow between a couple of things. It's really cute. I like. I like that. It took me a second. I like that now. For the 4th of July, 1960, Rockwell planned a rally in New York City. This provoked outrage, which of course earned Rockwell publicity and donations. The quarantine broke down completely when Rockwell was denied a permit to March, according to the book American Fur quote, his cause became the cause of free speech. His name appeared in newspapers. Almost daily, and his appeal made its way through the courts. On June 22nd, 1960, an enraged mob, including many survivors of Nazi concentration camps, attacked him, but he was saved from serious injury by the quick action of the police. Now this was widely seen as a disaster by members of the Jewish community. David McReynolds of the village Voice wrote that the violence of the crowd did more to promote anti-Semitism than anything Rockwell himself could have possibly said. Now, I don't know if I agree with that, but it shows how political moderates of the nation saw things as Rockwell's free speech case made its way through the court coverage. They need to roll in even as quarant, even though quarantine advocates continue to plead for everyone to just stop writing about George Lincoln Rockwell. And when an appeal overturned the ban and Rockwell was actually issued his permit, he never even bothered to pick it up. He'd gotten what he wanted out of the whole mess publicity, and a **** load of donations for being a free speech warrior. Tony Lasowice was a New York City police officer. He was the guy who protected Rockwell from an attack during that June 22nd, 1960 thing, and he wound up regularly spending some time around them as like being part of their escort and stuff. He later recalled seeing, quote, two big male sacks full of letters at the A&P headquarters after that event. He said quote Rockwell needed the publicity to get his contributions in to get around some of his financial difficulties. Rockwell described how he randomly picked targets for his rallies once he publicly announced he was coming. The public's fur, as he put it. Would stand on end. Local newspapers, radio and television would give him just enough publicity to guarantee the delivery of four or five stacks of mail to his doorstep. Rockwell said he received a lot of attaboy George letters with dollar bills folded up inside the envelope. He said just the threat of his coming was good for a couple of grand. Wow. Literally what Joey Gibson does literally puts a donation plea into every into every every single thing about a rally. But I won't talk about Portland anymore until we get to a little bit further, right? OK. You know what it is. Speaking of donations, I guess that's not right. Kind one pump, one cream is an ad for Nestle Coffee-mate. The one pump, one cream source of cream pumps for your hazelnut. Yeah, sex is funny. Here's the threads. We're bad. Hey, Kayla. Says OK. So Rockwell was very happy with how that whole rigamarole had gone, and one of his regular comments he taunted Feinberg and the AJC, saying they had, quote, spent millions of dollars to spread the word among the Jews to ignore us, but he claimed their anger and need for revenge had gotten the best of them. The result is the lifeblood of a political movement, publicity. This is something Rockwell wrote about quite a lot. In 1961, he came to the conclusion that quote. The problem of building a political organization in spite of the enemy's utter mastery of all means of communicating with the masses is first. The problem is reaching the masses anyway at all. It does not matter how you reach them at first, so long as they come to know you and the fact that you are at the opposite pole from those in power. That's just all. It's just so familiar. It's like deja vu. Because everybody else is ripping off George. Yep. Yeah. But you had cheap diet imitations. Yeah. Bunch of George fans up in here that just missed your pic of racism. Yeah. But you, Mr Pibbs, wish they were dead. Important no generics. Hollister. PIB is a better beverage. I agree. I agree. I'm just talking about brand recognition. Yeah, like that. But I guess the real doctor Pepper would be George's dad. Would be it would be dog pepper. Pepper pepper. Doc Rock is such a good name. He could have. That's our musical, that is our music. It's like cop rock, but with doctors and a couple of cops, probably. Hot cops? Hot cops, for sure, yeah. So while George was busy building the playbook that every other fascist grifter in history would shamelessly cribbed from, Feinberg was not sitting on his ***. He had supporters write articles endorsing the the quarantine strategy and pointing out that publicity just got Rockwell donations. They stated that quote. The most effective way of combating the Rockwell Menace is to literally starve him out. Quarantine can be made effective. If we deny him publicity, we deny him money. Gradually, he convinced people of the wisdom of his strategy. There were more fights, largely with the Jewish War. Utterance but by 1961, Feinberg gets succeeded in drastically reducing the amount of press coverage that Rockwell received. The quarantine was never total. Some stories always came out. But Feinberg considered success to be a measure of degree, and the summer of 1961 saw Rockwell attract way less media attention than he'd gotten back in 1960. By the end of 1961, the commander had started to get desperate when some members of Congress urged the Department of Justice investigation into the American Nazi Party. Rockwell saw this as a huge opportunity. He welcomed the investigation because it would give him a chance to show up in a full Nazi uniform and spew his conspiracy theories in the halls of Congress. Feinberg knew this, and he actually begged the US Attorney General Robert Kennedy not to investigate the American Nazi Party. And he got his way. In 1962, when RAPPELL applied for a permit to March in Philadelphia, the local Jewish community initially wanted to lobby to have his permit denied. Feinberg wrote them a letter begging them not to interfere with Rockwell. Speech quote you risk Rockwell Rockwell's. Being civil libertarian, support all the way to the Supreme Court and the publicity and attendant thereon, without quarantine any anti Semite could become a national figure in short time. He need only be dramatic and Hepworth therapy can get you there. Visit betterhelp.com/behind today to get 10% off your first month. That's better helpp.com/behind betterhelp.com/behind. Hey, it's Rick Schwartz, one of your hosts for San Diego Zoo's Amazing Wildlife podcast. In this special episode, we sit down with Doctor Jane Goodall to hear her inspiring thoughts on how we can create a better future for humans, animals and the environment. 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This is something Rockwell wrote about quite a lot. In 1961, he came to the conclusion that quote. The problem of building a political organization in spite of the enemy's utter mastery of all means of communicating with the masses is first. The problem is reaching the masses anyway at all. It does not matter how you reach them at first, so long as they come to know you and the fact that you are at the opposite pole from those in power. That's just all. It's just so familiar. It's like deja vu. Because everybody else is ripping off George. Yep. Yeah. Bunch of cheap diet imitations. Yeah. Bunch of George fans up in here that just missed your pic of racism. Yeah. But you, Mr Pibbs, wishing they were dead. No, it's generic collister PIB is a better beverage. I agree. I agree. I'm just talking about brand recognition. Yeah, like that. But I guess the real doctor Pepper would be George's dad. It's done. It would be dark pepper. Pepper, pepper. Yeah, I mean, Doc Rock is such a good name. That's our musical that is our music. Like cop rock, but with doctors and a couple of hours probably. Hot cops? Hot cops, for sure, yeah. So while George was busy building the playbook that every other fascist grifter in history would shamelessly cribbed from, Feinberg was not sitting on his ***. He had supporters write articles endorsing the the quarantine strategy and pointing out that publicity just got Rockwell donations. They stated that quote. The most effective way of combatting the Rockwell Menace is to literally starve him out. Quarantine can be made effective. If we deny him publicity, we deny him money. Gradually, he convinced people of the wisdom of his strategy. There were more fights, largely with the Jewish War. Appearance. But by 1961, Feinberg gets succeeded in drastically reducing the amount of press coverage that Rockwell received. The quarantine was never total. Some stories always came out. But Feinberg considered success to be a measure of degree, and the summer of 1961 saw Rockwell attract way less media attention than he'd gotten back in 1960. By the end of 1961, the commander had started to get desperate when some members of Congress urged the Department of Justice investigation into the American Nazi Party. Rockwell saw this as a huge opportunity. He welcomed the investigation because it would give him a chance to show up in a full Nazi uniform and spew his conspiracy theories in the halls of Congress. Feinberg knew this, and he actually begged the US Attorney General Robert Kennedy not to investigate the American Nazi Party. And he got his way. In 1962, when RAPPELL applied for a permit to March in Philadelphia, the local Jewish community initially wanted to lobby to have his permit denied. Feinberg wrote them a letter begging them not to interfere with Rockwell. Speech quote you risk Rockwell Rockwell's. Being civil libertarian, support all the way to the Supreme Court and the publicity and attendant thereon, without quarantine any anti Semite could become a national figure in short time. He need only be dramatic and have plenty of opposition here too. Feinberg succeeded, Rockwell got to give his speech and no one cared. He did not make the news from that point on. With some occasional failures and lapses the quarantine against George Lincoln Rockwell held. This prompted him to veer towards the only reliable income stream left him, the college lectureship circuit from 1963. This was his only consistent source of income. He never failed to draw a sizeable crowd. Much of the media attention he received for the rest of his life was for the protests and fights that occurred outside these events. Now, Feinberg did not worry as much about Rockwell's campus speeches, mainly because he just didn't think college kids were dumb enough to fall for the Nazi shtick. This proved to be true. College lectures were good for money, but Rockwell himself knew that they would never get him what he wanted, he wrote. Quote you can't convert people's attitudes by lecturing and reasoning. Attitudes can only be changed through emotional engineering. That is the key thing. It doesn't matter what the emotion is. Love, fear, hatred. As long as there is an emotion in a person, I can change him when I agitate in uniform. I want people to hate me. I want them emotionally worked up. Smart man. Yep. Smart. Smart man. Hate him. Hate him. Smart guy. Real, real bad. Don't respect him. Smart man. Not a fan. Smart guy, not a fan. And so, as the 1960s went on, Rockwell attempted a variety of garish and bizarre stunts. He did a cross country road trip in a converted Volkswagen he called the Hate bus, giving speeches and harassing civil rights advocates like the Freedom Riders. I got to one of you described this ******* bus. One of you describe this ******* hate bus. I mean, it's it's it's a bus. Several, several times. It's your classic VW bus as stated that you would associate with a hippie. A free, loving, protest bunch of surf bums. And then you you look closer. I mean, it says we hate race mixing. It's right there. We do hate. What a bad bus. What a, what a terrible bus. It's terrible bus. You know that's we also had a racist dog that escaped at one point. A racist dog. Well, he's always dog was racist. Ohh, he said when the dog was got, when the dog like escaped, he tried to play it up. Is like, well now some Jewish family like has a dog and they don't even know it's racist. But it's like, dude, that dog's not racist dog. The dog just didn't want to live with Nazis. Looking for his freedom? Yeah. I think he's really funny that the dog's name was gas chamber. Oh, is that true? Yeah, that's true. No, I mean, not after he found a new family. Your gas chamber hates it. Do not like unsubscribe to everything you've said so far. We're about to say about that hate buzz. Cody. I think it's funny that the hate bus well, hey, hate isn't quotes quote hate bus, but it says several times. Lincoln Rockwell's hate bus. Yeah, he wanted to make sure that you knew. It's his hate bus. Not all the other hate bus. Lincoln Rockwell branding. There's a lot going on in that hate bus. A real, real fun time. Should he use GLR? Yeah, I agree. In 1965, the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party held elections for three representatives. They attempted to seat the three women who won during the roll call for that year's opening session of Congress. It was an act of protest, basically protesting the fact that, like, there wasn't good black representation in Congress. We're going to elect our own leaders and we're going to try to set them in Congress. And, you know, they get kicked out, but it'll get it was it was a smart idea for a protest. It generated a lot of publicity. Rockwell attempted to suckle some of that publicity for himself by having two of his men. Including that guy Lloyd with the Gorilla suit show up to watch the proceedings, Lloyd managed to find an empty room and changed into his incredibly racist costume. There's a picture from a cover of Stormtrooper magazine where this was written about. I got to give this one to Cody since I gave you the bus. Katie, no, I'm not offended. It's a smaller image, but it's ghastly, right? That is. That is black face. Like when I first read it was like, Oh my God, the headline though, no, no. US Nazi in blackface ridicules Mississippi N words in Congress is the is the title, it's it's the title of the article, it's the title of the article and Stormtrooper magazine and Stormtrooper magazine. I know it's shocking to fight racism and Stormtrooper magazine. I want to see hogging nothing. My gosh. Oh yeah, yeah, that'll be up on the site behindthebastards.com cause the slur is pretty small. It's a small image, but it's. Yeah, I mean, it's there. It's it's there. It's something that happened. So Lloyd sprinted from his changing room directly into the halls of Congress. I'm going to read a quote from four race and nation. Lloyd raced out of the room and down the hall to the exclusive stairway that only members of Congress use. He bolted up the stairs to the lobby level, passed 2 slouching policemen as he neared the chamber entrance of black doorkeeper. Spotted him and moved to block his path, but Lloyd's, running at top speed, slammed his shoulder into the man, went through the door and jumped into the well of the house. Donning his stovepipe hat. He yelled. I'm not going to use he. He yelled. This in like a racist diction trying to like. Yeah, I'm the Mississippi delegation. I demand to be seated. Members of the house were stunned by the intrusions. Total silence filled the room as Lloyd jumped and danced, making unintelligible monkey noises. Legitimately crazy? Yeah. Sounds legitimate. I mean, he was a mentally ill man. Lloyd was a mentally ill man. That Rockwell used to do stunts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but still, that's like. Yeah, the thing that happened, that's the thing that happened. I'm not getting into it in this because there's so much to cover, but the book for resignation is a good job of talking about the kind of people who became Rockwell Stormtroopers. And they were all pretty broken into, right? Not all of whom would stay Nazis their whole lives. Yeah. The event was considered such a propaganda coup that a picture of Lloyd made. Yeah, the next month's cover of Stormtrooper magazine, which we just looked at. Stunts like these succeeded in drawing up some publicity and some donations, but the American public's short attention span ensured their interest, inevitably. Created with time, Rockwell continuously searched for a way to get people emotionally worked up. The next year, 1966, was a time of great unrest in the United States. There were numerous riots across the East Coast near the end of that year. In Chicago, the Housing Authority made the decision to try and relieve some of the overcrowding in their ghetto by expanding public housing to some of the less populated parts of the city. However, the less populated parts of the city were white. These people were infuriated at the idea of maybe living close to black people. Martin Luther King, junior. Good up to try and help the people make the world a better place, do the things that Martin Luther King junior did. Yeah, those classic, classic things and OK things. And so Rockwell showed up as well to try and stoke the fires of racial resentment for power and profit. He gave a speech at Marquette Park where he said quote. You're working every day to pay taxes to breathe little black ********. You're subsidizing ***** mothers who produce this little black scum for pay, and then when they don't have any place to live, they want to come and take your house and neighborhood. Yep. Notice he did not say the N word there. He did not use a racial slur there for him. Hey, this is good for him. Good for him. This is part of a tactic that works incredibly well. Now, this all came in the middle of the schism within the American nation Nazi party. Rockwell had come up with a brilliant slogan, something he thought would. Really? Take off among the American public. You wanna guess what his two word slogan was? That he invented America best white power. Ohh we what? Yeah, he invented white power. That's upsetting. Real innovator. Really had no idea that he's done so many. Did so many of these things. He's the guy. Formative. Ohhh. Like invented Neo, Nazism, Holocaust denial, trolling colleges for free speech purposes to raise donations and white power and we're not done. Add to the list. Did he start saying, like, it's OK to be white and like, painting that on like college campuses too? Not quite, not quite old, but quite kind of. You can see how this is the seed. Yeah, man, did he sell brain pills. 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You're like, by the way, here's history. But now his ghost is thrilled. And so many things. So many of them. Yeah. What do you think he would be? He wouldn't be a would he be a Republican? Would he be a liberal because liberals are the party of anti-Semitism? Republicans, right. Do you think he would be anti? Well, he would not be for Pro Israel. I think he. Yeah. I really have trouble telling with Rockwell he'd be an intellectual. Dark Webber. I think that I think he would not be. I think he would be kind of like Peterson, not explicitly political and that he wouldn't advocate for a party directly. I think he would be more about trying to get an ideology across because that there were that works. Better now, yeah, he he did. Playing to the resentments and grievances and stuff and sort of lifting up all these like, like the logical next step of like the white power stuff. He'd be talking about like white identity. Just he'd be a white identity person, like a like a Molyneux, but more explicit Nazi stuff. Maybe, I don't know, because I think he he really wanted, he really wanted mainstream appeal. And his his goal from the beginning, if you remember from the episode one, was to unite conservatives, right? So I think he would be explicitly political. I think he would be less. Explicitly racist. I don't even know if he came out around today if he would be explicitly anti-Semitic, right? He played that. Doesn't play like you have some Tea Party faction within the party. He maybe go into politics and there's a good chance he had been elected. Yeah, I do too, right? I mean, look, we've got Steve King. Good speaker, handsome guy, handsome guy, smart, very smart, good at branding. Yeah, and yeah, he played. He played at that and he wouldn't be. Yeah, as explicitly like, yeah, I I have a lot of questions about what Rockwell would be if he were alive today, but one thing I know for sure is that he would have worked with Roger Stone. Questionably God they would. They would have been thick as. Yeah, they would. They would. They would have plans. They would have so many plans. What year did he die again? I think it was 67, right. OK. Alright. Yeah, 67. I think he would have. Played up stuff with like Milo or because Milo is technically, he's technically he's Jewish, right? Yeah, I I think so. Like Rockwell, like despise him probably. I think. I think the thing that amazed him, that would have made him despise Milo was Milo's. Milo's attitude never had a chance of getting mainstream acceptance because he's just too off putting and he doesn't care. He like, he's very noncommittal to everything. Yeah, like kind of chaos agent or whatever. Milo doesn't believe in ****. Exactly. Rockwell believed. He wouldn't have gone through the **** that he did because he suffered from. Right, right. He figured out that his pain, his pain drove him to be more of a Nazi. So I I think he's, and I don't think, I think he would have been smarter than a guy like Richard Spencer because I don't think Richard Spencer was very cunning. No, he didn't play it well. He, I mean, he got the platform. He got that article about him. He was he was dapper, but he didn't he didn't play it well after that. Anything. My Lord is not believe in anything except for having money. Yeah, and I don't think Rockwell would have been. I think he might have used him at some point. That's sort of what I mean. Not, like, aligned with him, but just sort of, like using the movement and the the drive. Rockwell would have really gotten along with a guy like Steve Bannon, who is a clever political operator who believes the **** out of things. And to be honest, that's a more likely pairing than him and Roger Stone, because Roger doesn't believe in **** either, right? Like Donald Trump? Yeah, he probably would have. He probably would have or he'd be president. Where he where he just have one in 26 does he just would have been the President he just would have been the President now assessment, yeah because they're playing the same game. Stage two of them, because he got shot to death. It's all that white, the resentment grievance stuff. And Rockwell seems seems to know how to do it and to do it on purpose. Whereas like Trump sort of like fell into it because he just happens to be like a racist guy in the last year of his life is when he really figured out, landed on like yeah, exactly. That's that's my through line that's the thing that everybody. Yeah, that he can just. He's like a kind of like white nationalist kind of figure. He writes on VDARE a lot and write some stuff the it's referred to as the sailor strategy is the article he came out with like 2005 or something like that. And it literally lays out like here's what Republicans need to do, they need to play to white identity politics, need to get these votes. He basically lays out like and be anti immigration. He lays out everything in Donald Trump's platform basically, and his whole ideology. And it's just like, yeah, he's got to do. And to bring back real quick, at one point join me. Peterson, who hates identity politics, shared an article by Steve Sailor who analyzed a study about diversity that cut out half of the article and study that actually said diversity is good in the long run. Well, but that sounds like Jordan Peterson's intellectually dishonest, and that can't be the case. It can't be the case. There's another example, but it's not probable. It's not probable. Then what are we even doing, I wonder? Quick, another comp joke? No, no more come jokes. It's time for plugs of of the plegables. So I'm going to, I'm going to plug now as as I mentioned in part one, this was originally supposed to be part of A5, part audio book about where all this ******* right wing terrorism comes from, because it's a weird history and like, we didn't even get into Christian identity, which Rockwell ties into, which is also tied into Robert Bowers. The Tree of Life, synagogue, shooter, and a bunch of other. All of this stuff you want it all laid out is going to be on my audio book, the war on everyone, which I am backing right now. On go fund me. So go to go fund me. Search for the war on everyone. Drop a couple of bucks if you've got them. I will put out the audio book and I will use the money to report on. Fascism in the United States and possibly conflict abroad depending on on how much we get it. It's doing great so far. 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