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Part Two: Gary Young: The Fake Doctor Who Drowned His Own Baby
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I'm Robert Evans, podcast host, who is shames his producer Sophie every episode with a new introduction that just does not land. I like the drywall one. Thank you. Thank you. I like that. Thank you, Billy. Wayne Davis, my guest today, could pop to comedian. With a website? Yep. I got a website for a tour. You can find me on Twitter, too, at Billy Wayne. Dave. You Google me go. All my **** comes up at Billy Wayne Davis. We're getting a little bit more of a plug from you each time. I am getting better at promotion. Thank you. Yeah, we're watching you learn in real time. Representatives say it helps with the money part. Sort of like how Gary Young learned in real time how to be a doctor. I don't think he did. I think learning how to be a doctor was his game. I don't think it's something you do by trial and error. I medicine, like science, is is a discipline. But individually, that's not how you should learn. Learning was never one of his pursuits. No, not with having his head caved in by a tree. He like ambition? Yes. Super ambitious. You can't fault the hustle. Yeah. No, no, it is. It's impressive. And the there's a perseverance that you don't see in a lot of doctors. No matter who you were. No matter what government agency. Where you were not powerful enough to stop Gary Young from pretending to be a doctor as long as you don't look in Washington state or Mexico or California or California sometime now. Utah, well, I could see where he went to Utah, and it's about to be a different country. There's always this, there's a certain type that finds their way to Utah. There is a certain type or in hatch and Gary young types and Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith. Well, I mean, he never made it quite out there that that mob killed him. Yeah, well, he was headed. There. He knew that was his spot. That was his spot. Brigham Young got him there. Something is calling me there. I feel like. I feel like someday I'm going to be able to treat people's cancer in Utah with oregano oil. That's I've got it. I've got a secret. Reagan oil, alright. I mean what kind of the it's the thought process because it is calculated. Like, hey, these people are desperate. Yeah, science can't do some things, and a real doctor is occasionally going to have to say, I'm sorry, there's just nothing we can do. There's nothing. But Gary Young is never going to say there's nothing we can do. Gary Young's going to say you got 2000 bucks a week. We can always do something, do so much **** that you don't know about. Let me tell you about hot tubs and their uses for babies. He just, he's like that guy. And it's like, and I don't mean Trump, you know, jumps in everything, but is that same kind of thing where it's like, oh, you just lie all, all of these people, left or right, whatever they align themselves with. All of the people who are grifters have way more in common with each other than with anybody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it's not even because that's like more of a political thing. This is just like the eternal similarity of grifters, like the similarity of what's his name the the Wakefield, the guy who like created like the autism like vaccine belief epidemic and Donald Trump and Alex Jones or a Keith Ranieri who was like more of a lefty side guy of this. He was the dude behind that cult where like when Hollywood rebranding themselves they're all the same guy. Yeah, they know they really are where it's just like you just don't say, like, I've never done anything wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Never. Never. And none of them are as good at as L Ron Hubbard, who was the king of that type. I just think he had a he had a gift. He had a gift. He did have a gift. You can't get that big without, like something special. No, he could just put out. Nonsense. Yeah, he was amazing. And if you can flood anybody, like, not even just like print media or the Internet or just just anyone's brain with just nonsense, you can flood it. They just turn it off and like this. I'm just one out of this. Everybody has a nonsense that they're vulnerable to. Yeah. Yeah. And it's different for everybody because we can all look at, like, the nonsense that like this group of people buys into inline central oils. Good. Karen. Cancer. Yeah. And then you you find your nonsense and you look on your. Instagram feed that your nonsense. What? You're getting sold. I've realized if it says tactical, I'll be like, I'll click on it. Yeah, yeah. I have so many machetes I have. And I do use machetes regularly, but not as many as I have. Not nearly as many as I have. I have two and I live in a nice neighborhood. I have like 6. Yeah. It's a very nice working class neighborhood that I do not need a machete for. Everybody needs one machine and a good deal on a machete. What, you just leaving machetes on the 10th? I thought I might need another machete for the back. I feel like all of my life problems can be solved by just find the right machine. Just a big knife. It's awesome. It's awesome. He and I are. I'm from Tennessee, from Texas. There's a certain thing we're like, yeah, I got. I gave my son a little knife. He's nine. Yeah. Yeah. You give him a knife and he you could tell he terrified him and he just put it in his drawer. I'm I'm ogling a little, like pistol that's an AR15, but a pistol with like a tiny little grip. And it's like, I know it's dumb. I know it's going to break anyone's eardrum that uses it. It's going to, like, ruin my wrist. It's a stupid, stupid thing. But look at how neat it looks. Pretty cool. It looks pretty cool. Real cool. So we all have something we're vulnerable to that's that's bad for us. And there are grifters out there who are graded. You understand it, and so don't trust grifters. Let's read about the rest of Gary Young. Well, the problem is that they're very trustworthy. They are. They are. That's their gift. Yeah. And I'm going to guess, if you met Gary Young, you would not immediately be like that. Seems like a guy who drowned his baby in a hot tub. Well, it's like George W Bush. That's why they picked him. He's so. I don't like him, but I like him. Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've, I've, I've seen him. I've been very close to him at, like, a speech and stuff like, like, not even a speech at like, a. He was doing like a Q&A. And he's super likable. You're instantly sort of like, oh, I get. I get why. Like, you know, like the all the leaks that have come out of the Trump administration. I get why that **** didn't happen with the Bush administration. Yes, you just, like, if you spend time around the guy, like, even if you, like know what the ****** ** **** that's going on, like, you kind of, like, just like, it's pretty fun. Still pretty fun, dude. That's just what they're good at. Because the Penguins back there and I'm going to Obama had that same gift where, like, I know we're dropping a lot of bombs on Yemen, but like, he makes me feel so good about myself and he's doing some other good stuff. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I don't think either he or Bush were grifters. Even though I'm very critical of the Bush administration because they're both people who tried to do concrete things as opposed to like, trying to perform unregistered surgery. Yes. Yeah. So there are numerous large essential oil companies in the United States today, and this is all thanks to Gary Young's vision and the staggering success of Young Living now within the industry. Young Living differentiates itself from all these imitators, with a strict focus on the highest possible quality standards for their products. I brought this up last time. They say there are no purer essential oils on the market. That is the claim they make. But I found counterclaims. A number of places allegations that Young Living oils are in fact adulterated. Most compelling of these allegations claim from a former done *********** they're adult. The most compelling of these allegations came from a former distributor for the company in a blog post titled the Day Young Living Broke My Heart. Now, I wouldn't normally use a personal blog like this as a source, but this person actually went to the trouble of having his oils tested at reputable laboratories, and he posted every piece of evidence on his blog from like the shipping information to prove that he shipped it directly to the labs to like the results of the labs sent him. Like it's. What did they rip him off for? I'll get to that. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually, yeah. Anyway you can check that as motivate. It is motivated and it's like one of those things where I suspect this guy believes some things I don't believe about essential oils, but he really like from a journalistic rigor point of view, did a good job of laying out his case and providing the evidence like fired up. Like you probably had a relationships where he's been like, I have to prove my points exactly what he got. So the writers issue with Young Living came from their seed to seal guarantee, which promises that none of their oils. Have ever been adulterated or had anything added to them? So this dude sent his cinnamon oil into a lab for testing and found that multiple synthetic chemicals were present inside it, including synthetic, sentimental, including a synthetic. There were a bunch of synthetic smells, like, I'm not going to try to read that ******* thing. Yeah, it had a bunch of fake stuff in it. Quote tears filled my eyes as the reality of the situation began to again. This is serious for him. I know you know, but it's cinnamon. You know, my close family used cinnamon bark. Internally. Not to mention the sheer volume of thieves products, which is like one of their product lines that contain cinnamon. I've attempted some conversations with my up lines about the issue, but merely got don't worry and I've used the products for years and I'm fine. Quickly realizing that I would not get the answers I wanted from them and not knowing where else to turn, I sent an e-mail to Young Living's Chief Operating Officer, Jared Turner, and included a copy of the Test report. Hope and faith briefly returned when I received a reply from Jared thanking me for bringing the issue to his attention and promising me a reply, but he never got a reply. Yeah, so this guy. Was like a true believer who also seems to be a real big believer in the truth and was very frustrated by this and had been like advising his family to take this stuff medicinally. And so it's very hate. You can't just say, here's a bunch of stuff. So it's not just like the smell stuff. That's what I know essential oils to be. Yeah. And there are some, there is some mild evidence that essential oils are useful in complementing traditional medical therapy from like a recovery standpoint, some very mild evidence that certain ones can be helpful. Therapeutically, along with actual medicine in certain specific situations. They don't give you cancer. But like, Young Living is, one of those companies were like, oh, you take this internally if you have this problem, this problem. And so this guy was like, having his family take this stuff and was horrified to realize that they were cutting it, which is essentially what's going on as these people are cutting it. Just like, you know, my Coke dealer used to do with baby laxative, and it's just, you know, it. He was as angry as I was when I found out that I had been cheated. I found myself saying this a lot lately. Just quoting a jerk where he's like, oh, it's a profit deal. Yeah, that's exactly what's going on here. So yeah, this guy, this guy was very horrified and promised not to buy their products anymore. But of course, not every Young Living devotee has his devotion to the truth. In the first episode of this podcast series, I mentioned a review I found of Gary Young's wife written biography on a website called Cultivating Mom. Now. The author of this site was another distributor for Young Living, and she reviewed Gary Young's biography, and I found it deeply entertaining. Here's what she wrote. You know what I'm going to give this to? Review yeah, I am a researcher. It is in my blood. So before I signed up to become a member of Young Living essential oils, I did my research. Wow. The negativity, vitriol, and blatant lies that have bound on the Internet have not left the father of essential oils, she capitalized the 1st letter in every word of that unscathed. One thing that became clear was that there was no evidence to back up many of the claims against him, some of which, if they were true, would have landed him in jail as opposed to being the world leader of a global enterprise. I chose to see the lives for what they were. Vicious attacks on someone who spent his whole life. Trying to help others. That's why when this book came out, I could not wait to get my hands on it in order to finally hear the real story in the words of Garry's wife, Mary Young. OK, I mean, can we, can I just say real quick? Yeah. I just want you to imagine. Going to your wife and being like, hey, I got an idea. When she wrote a book about me, she wrote a book about me, about me, about me. People won't believe it if I write a book about me, I can't do it because of my humility and the head thing, and I don't type so good. You know, I smash things, but you could ride. I just keep breaking computers with an X. So the review goes into detail about Garry's famous accident, which is discussed exhaustively in everything ever published about Gary Young. The author hilariously writes this. As Mary Young has always said, Carrie does not like to talk about his accident that left him with a prognosis that he would be confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life, but she was able to put together the compelling story that takes the reader from Garry's depths of despair to his regaining his ability to walk. So still nothing about that brain. Not a damn thing about that brain. Now this reviewer also notes quote the reader gets to walk with Gary through every expansion and farm purchase. Reading about what he did in Ecuador is beyond belief. After seeing the poverty and conditions of local schools, Gary decided he had to change what looked like a hopeless situation for the children of surrounding communities, out of which grew the Young Living Academy to teach and enable these children to have a bright future. Now, hearing about Ecuador made me curious and thankfully I found a little bit more about Gary Young's work in Ecuador. And that New Yorker article I've been quoting from? You remember Sterling, the former CEO of Young Living? Yes quote. Sterling says he was also alarmed by a video he saw of young, whose only medical degree is the doctor in naturopathy from an unaccredited school, performing gallbladder surgery and giving essential oils intravenously at a clinic in Ecuador. He found a place to commit surgery, what it was. When he doesn't, it is committing surgery. Yeah, it's like, so, like, I did some murders, he said. I did some surgeries. God, how many Ecuadorians have died under Gary Johnson? Scalpel. I shouldn't be laughing, but he just is. So he's so relentless about wanting to perform medical operations on weird tick to be like, just to look at somebody, like. You know, fix you can fix. I'm just sitting, you know, I'm a doctor. You came into my village and you want to cut me open? He's like, no, I'm a doctor. You got cancer. I can tell it from your blood. That's some Elizabeth Holmes **** too. You've got kids. It is weird that they both do like fingerprick blood tests. It is the 9th. I will say Gary Young's clinics blood tests work as well as their new system. Because people were doing the same thing too. Extended cats blood and twins and stuff to Elizabeth Holmes. I didn't hear about cats blood, but yeah, there was there their their tests were not good. It turns out Gary Young only opened his clinic in Ecuador because a 2005 lawsuit closed his clinic in Utah. Apparently, a young woman was prescribed so much vitamin C that her kidneys shut down, almost killing her. She successfully sued the company, forcing Gary to hop to Ecuador to continue pretending to practice medicine. Lot of autumn. That is way too much vitamins. So much that your kidneys are not. Come on, they're just like, Nope, what are you doing? How many oranges are you eating? You gotta get out of Utah. And it was not any safer working on one of Garry's Farms. And being a patient in his clinics on August 17th. On August 17th, 2001, of his homemade essential oil distillers ruptured at the lid, killing a worker at the Young Living farm in Mona, Utah. The farm was fined $10,280 for seven safety violations, the Utah OSHA Division reported quote. The entire operation was designed by Gary Young, President and built on site. The vessels were not built under any consideration to American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Code for pressure vessels. No type of pressure relief device was installed on any of the vessels. So he basically built bombs to distill stuff. 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Going to go in there and find out for yourself, go down there and figure that out. OK, where the hell were we? Right, so Gary Young had just shut down that woman's kidneys with vitamin C, started performing unregulated surgery in Ecuador, and he got that guy killed by building a bomb instead of distiller on accident. I've had a rough six months. Oh geez. So you can't make essential oils without breaking a few human beings and no amount of death and misery stopped the rocket light growth of Young Living. By the early 2000s they were by far the largest essential oil vendor in the market. It's hard to say exactly how large they were, but we're talking about hundreds of 1,000,000 a year in revenue by this point. Except yeah yeah they're like a billion dollar company now, or at least they claim to be and probably are like it's always with because they're an MLM too. So it's always like yeah there are multi level marketing companies. How they get their products out. Yeah, never mind. They do sell a lot of they're very popular, essential oil sellers, so they sell a lot of product. But a lot of their money comes from like the MLM thing, where like you sign up to be a distributor, but the money is really in signing people up underneath you. So again, not a pyramid. Multilevel, legally distinct from a pyramid, just *********. So we don't know exactly how much, but it's a lot. They're making a ******** of money and yeah, they don't really. Yeah, yeah, it's it's hard to get hard. A ******** of money is fair to say. Jesus. So success inspires imitators, companies eager to repeat young Levitt living success in selling dubious healing oils, maybe without the fraudulent founder who kept getting arrested for pretending to be a doctor. And in 2012, the most successfully imitators, a company called Deutera, had grown to be nearly as large as Young Living. Some analysts suspected they were even larger. That year, Gary directed his company. Sue Deutera for $350 million, now Young Living alleged that do Terrace founders had stolen both trade secrets and distributors from Young Living. The court case rolled along slowly until in 2015 both companies announced that they had passed $1 billion in sales. Now, it took about five years for the case to reach a civil jury trial, and on the second day the smell of essential oils was so strong that the judge in the case complained of a headache and a stomach ache and begged both sides to wear slightly fewer essential oils. The jury eventually dropped all charges against Deutera. And it was like, 2017 or so, I think. Yeah. So basically their claim was, hey, you're doing our scam. Yeah, you're doing our scam. Stop doing our staff, doing our scam. You took him to court and the judge was like, everyone smells too much. Scam is hurting me. Please stop physically hurting my brain. In June 2017, The New Yorker sent a reporter to Young Livings, fulfill your Destiny distributor convention in Salt Lake City. Quote, the hallways were packed with good-natured, heavily fragrant people heading to work. Perhaps with names such as yoga, a business tool, and essential care for animals. They wore T-shirts that said essential oils. Heck yeah, and there's an oil for that. And I'm silently assessing your oil needs. Never have I sneezed so much. Never have I been blessed so enthusiastically would I sneezed. We'll have the article up on our site. It's a fun article. Fulfill your destiny. Give me 2000 dollars, $2000. Let me try delivering your baby in a hot tub. Probably a doctor. Are you the hot tub baby? But at this point, Gary Young's company oil menu had grown to over 150 options, from basics like oregano and citronella to Christmas spirit. Citronella? Citronella that keeps the mosquitoes? Yeah, that does like, yeah, I've used a lot of, especially traveling without healthcare. I've used a number of different, like, I'm actually a big plant based medicine nerd. I make a lot of my own salves and poultices for injuries and stuff like that just because I'm out in the middle of ******* nowhere along. Like there's plants like plantain and Yarrow and comfrey that have real proven medicinal benefits. Stuff like will bark, which is where we get our aspirin. From that you can let's we got, yeah, chemicals from the earth to start with. Where the pills exactly. They don't come from nowhere. I mean, some of them do, some of them were just like switching atoms around at this point. It's crazy, but like. This is some of the stuff that works the best is still just ******* plants and ****. Oh man, Speaking of plants. I don't know. This is like a free ad just for marijuana. It is. Yeah. Do it. I feel like that's a great ad. Just do marijuana. Nike really has the best slogan ready. If they start a pot brand just like medicinal marijuana or not medicinal sports marijuana, that'll happen. All that CBD for your CTE. Damn it, that's a good idea. I know. Call Turley. I'll call him. Like that should happen. OK, so yeah, Christmas spirit. Which quote taps into the happiness, joy, and comfort with the holiday season? There's dragon time to create feelings of stability and calm during cycles of moodiness and of course, highest potential, which presumably helps you get richer. ****. Now, this is probably a good place to get into just how exactly? Not a doctor. Gary Young claimed his essential oils work. Here's Doctor Eva Briggs dissecting some of Garry's claims from a book titled The Missing Link, where Gary lays out the scientific underpinnings of the Essential oil chemistry quote. From Gary, one of the primary agents in the blood that is responsible for the delivery of the nutrients through the cell walls is called oxygen. Now, I'm not a big science guy. Doesn't sound like a controversial statement to me because I'm dumb, but Doctor Eva makes a good point. Quote animals do not have cell walls. The most basic high school biology courses teach that only bacteria and plants have cell walls. Animals do have cell membranes. Gary quote You see, in the human body we have a substance called blood, and that blood has a very specific. Purpose. That purpose is to transport nutrients to the cells. We've got what? We've got what in there? OK? The purpose is to transport nutrients to the cells, to nurture and feed the cells. When we look at essential oils, they have the same role and play the same function in the plant as blood does in the human body. No, that one, even, I don't know. That's not what they do. But let's hear from Doctor Eva. Essential oils do not transport nutrients to plant cells. Floam transports nutrients to plants, and Xylem transports water. Examples of the functions of essential oils and plants may include attracting beneficial organisms such as pollinators, or repelling organisms that might eat or infect the plant, which is why citronella does, like, third and 4th grade. That's real ******* basic. Yeah, yeah, but he's he's really calling people's bluff, is what he's doing, because you're not going to check that out if you're signing up to be a distributor in an. LM no, you just not. That's I wouldn't caught the cell walls thing because it's been too long and all I remember is that the ******* mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Both, yeah. The essential oil thing where it takes it like immediately, like, no, I don't think that's how. I don't think that's how that works. I can't correct you on how it works, but I know that you're full of ****. You're telling me this thing that burns when I put it on my skin is the same as blood? It's plant blood. Yeah, it's plant blood. It's what he's saying things like. That's true. Either feel like you're a doctor now. Where's your baby again? He's hot tub, he's hot. I keep, I keep coming back to the killed his own baby thing. But I feel like it's really worth dwelling on. Well, it's also that thing. Like the reviewer said, the ladies like, I read all these awful things about this man and I just didn't believe them. And it's like, well, there's newspaper articles from the 80s talking about that one. Well, and but she does raise a good point. She's like, if you don't why isn't he in jail? And it is like, I'm with you. I'm with you on that one. That is a good question. Probably ought to be in jail. But it sounds like also he always. That's fine. Like $10,000 seems to be reoccurring fee. Yeah. So he's like an old hippie where he just carries around 10 grand for bail money. Yeah, he's like, this will Get Me Out and they throw rich hippie, he's like, they'll throw you in jail in Arkansas, always have 75 bucks in my sock. Now go to Mexico and be a doctor again. They don't want anything. Distributors are the lowest level of the Young Living hierarchy. 94% of members never rise higher than that. The top of this, legally distinct from a pyramid, are people at the royal crown to diamond level who make up less than 1/10 of 1% of Young Living. Many of the speeches at the Convention that The New Yorker went to were delivered by Diamond level distributors, who earn a median monthly income of $32,000. Now almost no one at Young Living reaches that level. Of you who do essentially act as posters for what might be possible to the hopeful masses, one of the diamond level speakers that The New Yorker writer met built her business up while working as a TV anchor. In other words, she had a platform completely impractical for 99% of the state distributors to ever build. That helps. Yeah, here's what she said to the assembled people at the convention. There's nothing holding you back but yourself. We all have the same oils. We all have the same 24 hours in the day. The only ones who don't make it to diamond are the ones who give up. Anybody in this room can do it. Very basic MLM stuff. It's it's your lack of effort. Yeah, it is your lack of effort if you do not succeed with this, not in your built in broadcasting. Yeah. Now, I'm sure you're not surprised to learn that 94% of young livings 2,000,000 active members made less than a dollar in 2016. Meanwhile, most royal Crown Diamond distributors made more than a million a year. Most people would call this pyramid, but it technically isn't for reasons lawyers can argue in court. At the 2017 fulfill Your Destiny convention, Gary Young made his entrance by writing into the Convention Center on a sled pulled by Huskies. The year before he flew in on a zip line, these garish introductions were necessary. He was trying to hype up the launch of new oil blends in 2017. That blend was also called fulfill your destiny, $34 would get you 5 milliliters of black pepper, blue spruce, and Franken black pepper. Black pepper. Well, if you throw that in with the frankincense which actually does, frankincense has some medicinal properties too. Cool stuff that you can do with frankincense? Not this way. Gary claimed that this would open up your pineal gland. No, no, no it will not. I know that for sure. What DMT. Opens the **** out of you that's gonna say is like if he's got, if he's selling DMT, I'm interested. And if he say if he's, if he's making some ******* essential oil out of mimosa hostilis root bark, then I'll be like, OK, brother, yeah, that'll open your ******* pioneer. You do have just gonna smoke it out of a crack pipe. Yes. Yes. Now, I guess we should be grateful he didn't try to inject any of this and do his patients via IVF, although he probably did. But in Ecuador, yeah. Starting in the mid aughts, frankincense became an increasing focus for Gary Young and his company. He was apparently inspired by a trip to a market in Oman where he saw thousands of bags of frankincense resin in the streets. He built a distillery in Salala, and in 2010 opened the first modern frankincense distillery in the world. There's just one problem with that producing essential oils and industrial capacity requires vastly more frankincense resin than the world's existing. Trees can supply no? Hmm. According to Anjeanette Carlo, an environmental scientist focused on the plant, young Living's demand threatens entire ecosystems in the Middle East and North Africa. So let's go. So so I'm trying to save some people's babies. I need it to make me rich. For my abundance will, this is actually a crucially important and under told part of the essential oil story. Despite their earth friendly image and focus on pictures of wholesome farms, Young Living in its competitors are something of an environmental plague. Before Gary Young, essential oils were a thing, but they weren't particularly popular. 10s of millions of people were not constantly developing their body in frankincense and myrrh and oregano and lemon peel. The market for these products has increased tenfold in just the last couple of decades, and producing essential oils is not easy on Mother Earth, the Earth Island Journal notes. In order to produce a single pound of essential oil, enormous quantities of plants are required. 10,000 pounds of rose petals, 22150 pounds of lavender, 6000 pounds of Melissa Plant, 1500 lumens, and so forth. It sounds like R Kelly studio orders. Yeah, it kind of does. We need more rose petal. We need more rose petals. So where do all these thousands and thousands and thousands of plants come from? Quote the majority of popular essential oils companies source their raw materials from corporate farms that turn out large quantities of plants, as with the cultivation of products on many large. Arms pesticide use is just common, and there's currently no organic certification specifically for essential oils, which large companies like Young Living and doTerra site as a reason for forgoing organic certification altogether. And the end consumers are left largely on their own when it comes to discovering which pesticides are used on crops that are used for essential oils, especially since most companies aren't voluntarily giving up that information. You're putting pesticides on your body, which is also true if you're smoking weed, by the way. Just haven't been out to a lot of those farms you can't trust when they say there's not pesticides on them unless you know the grower. You can't. Yeah. There's pesticides on all of them, Dan. Yeah, man, I've been through so many of those fields. And if you they wear, they wear Tyvek suits to spray them down. They look like they're there's chemicals on all of it. And you know how you can tell if it's got it on there, that harsh burn after you smoke it? Because if you go to Eugene, where they do all the organic stuff, it doesn't have that. And there's still even then, they still have to wear the suits because they're using like, sulfur and stuff rather than the chemical for like pesticides, like you still have to keep the pests off it. Like, it just depends on what you use for it. They use different bugs too sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. You can't let ******* mites get on those things. You lose 10s of thousands of dollars in a day. Yeah, crazy. Crazy. You know what else is crazy? The value of the products and services that are about to be advertised to your ears. That is crazy. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. 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It is possible that Young Living, the company founded by a man who drowned his own baby on accident, repeatedly impersonated a doctor, hold itself to the most stringent safety and environmental standards. Fun fact, Young Living recently pled guilty to illegally trafficking rosewood oil and from Peru, where the plant is a threatened species. The company was also found to be illegally sourcing spikenard oil from Nepal. They were fined 3 1/2 million dollars. That's not the only regulatory trouble the company got into, of course. In 2014, Gary Young's business ran afoul of the FDA's quote from the FDA. Based on our review, FDA has determined that many of your Young Living essential oil products, such as, but not limited to, thieves, cinnamon bark, oregano, immuno power, Rosemary, Myrtle, sandalwood, eucalyptus, blue, peppermint, ylang Lang, frankincense and orange are promoted for conditions that cause them to be drugs under section 201 G 1B of the federal food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act because they are intended for use in diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease. Now the FDA pulls some specific examples of the most egregious lies literally printed in Young Living brochures and on their products. Among those lies, Young Living seemed hell bent on convincing its consumers that their essential oils could prevent Ebola. Quote viruses, including Ebola, are no match for Young Living essential oils under the subheading top oil choices for viruses, top on my list is thieves. Thieves is highly antimicrobial. It could help against Ebola, and Ebola virus cannot live in the presence of cinnamon bark nor oregano. Good to know. Interesting somebody, somebody should maybe let all those people. In Africa now that they just need more cinnamon. Yeah, that's that's dropped cinnamon. It's the sprinkle it. It's just *** **** it. It's it's that saying about famous people. Like if they were nice before they got famous, they're going to be extra nice when they're famous. If they were like whatever they like before they were famous. It's like it's the same about these ************* where they're like they're ****** on whatever level and then they get access and money and then they're going to be ****** on this giant. Yeah, they're just, it just gets bigger where they're ******* up countries instead of states. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what they do. Like they. With, like, ******* up their own life and drowning their baby in a hot tub? Yeah, and then move on to ******* up ecosystems and convincing millions of people that they can cure Ebola with cinnamon. That's exactly what they're doing. Yeah. Now, Young Living has its own experts like Aromatherapist David Stewart, who argued that doctors like Eva Briggs and those hacks at the FDA don't understand the essential oils have their own divine intelligence, which allowed them to heal without harming people, providing ourselves with everything ourselves need. What's that? You don't? That seems so base to you. I just what about? I just want to, I need to sum up and say out loud what I think that that person just said was that. Essential oils have the round they they're choosing to heal you. Yeah. Hmm. So they're sentient? Yeah. Yeah, it seems like it. Well, I'll, I'll read the quote. I'll read the quote from David Stewart, and you let me know what it seems like. He's the molecules of a therapeutic grade essential oil form a harmonious, coherent, functional family designed and intended to serve us and heal us according to the highest will of their creator and our creator, who is 1 and the same God. Which really ties into what you were saying about the owner's manual and him thinking he's God. He's the one making all this ********. He yes, he thinks it's his manual. It's his manual. Wow. He got knocked in the head and now he's God. We really, really should do more. Research on head injuries you just got if something happens, you gotta watch them. You. That doesn't mean that anything bad. A lot of people have them. They're fine if you don't want to be doctors and politicians and there's nothing wrong with it, but keep an eye on it. If they keep pretending to be a doctor and maybe drown their baby, keep an eye on some of them. I wanted to get an idea of exactly how Gary himself build the scientific efficacy of his essential oils. I found a video of him from the mid aughts. In it, he and his interviewer are standing in a snowy forest. He has a chainsaw in his hands, and we're going to watch this video, and I want to make sure that the video is turned towards him. So you should see G young. I got a robot axe. He's going to tell you how balsam wood works. There is. He is here to help me now. So exquisite. Can you tell us about the health properties of balsam oil? Ohh, it is very exciting because. First, I did this studies seven years ago in our clinic in Utah before I sold it and that was phenomenal because as we know cortisol is a hormone in the body and is referred to as a death hormone. Cortisol is what makes us age prematurely is what reduces the immune system or compromised immune system. Cortisol levels are always high. We also see that people who experience depression. Have high levels of cortisol. When the body is high with cortisol it also produces acid. High acid levels and I thought there's something to this balsam oil besides other things that I was looking for. So we started doing a study in the clinic and lo and behold, we discovered that just breathing the aroma from the oil through the distillation. Was Laurie cortisol? No, *** **** it. Can I can I describe? Yeah, you go. First of all, he's dressed like a lumberjack. Like straight up lumberjack, including holding a chain. He's holding a, like a commercial chainsaw. Like that's a, that's A and he's. But he's just. He's leaning on it. He's not actually holding. He's leaning on in the way that you don't with the commercial chainsaw. If you're a lumberjack, it's just a very what and what he's describing is very confusing to what he's presenting visually, you know, like because he's also describing like, like he's a doctor, but he looks like a a lumberjack. He looks like he's about to finish this interview for his company's official video and then start shopping some trees. Like we got some work to do. We're down. A man didn't call in, but here. I'll take care of it tomorrow. You know what? I got this chainsaw. Why don't I just give it a try? Well, and it also, like, lets me in. I had this picture of like a more of a schmoozy salesman type. But he's not. He's got this earnest way about him. I can see why people who don't know anything about medicine would find him convincing. Yes, because he has. Yeah. He's not like what you think the snake oil salesman would be. No, he's not like Lyle lanley like, he's he seems like he's like, like. Like a he seems like a like a country Dr like a Doctor Who would like work in a town that is a one room schoolhouse. Yeah. Like he's. Yeah. No, he does. Like, he reminds me of like one of my grandpas friends who's like, also a lawyer but also with the dairy farmer. You know what I mean? Yeah. One of those people out in the sticks who does farming and also does like a like, serious professional trade, like medicine or law. Like he does he look he feel like probably because he grew up around a bunch of those people and decided to do that, but without going to school? That's what I was just thinking. Like, while we were talking, I was like, that's what has happened is a trees fell on his head. He doesn't have the ability, but he has picked up on this kind of hokey how they presented oxy. Probably after the tree fell on him, the county doctor came over and printed on him. Yes, that's who he was around the most. I'm going to be a doctor now, boy, we figured him out. We figured him out too late, but we figured him out. This kind of rhetoric and these claims of great healing potential have consequences. The Atlantic. Institute is a pro essential oil aromatherapy organization, but one that urges responsible use of the substances rather than treating them as curls with their own divine intelligence. I found a fun 2014 article where they list the 10 worst side effects suffered by people misapplying essential oils. Most of them sound utterly terrifying but fairly minor, like this quote, undiluted oil on mouth sores between 25 and 35, drops of essential oil and canker sores and mouth or tongue after being told it was safe. This resulted in a trip to the ER because of racing, heart panicking, gagging, dry heaving, extremely hot. Fever, dizzy, sick and high blood pressure. I thought I was going to die. Yes, he did. I bet you did. Don't do that. I did the thing and then I died. That I almost died. Well, we're getting to that now. The most serious side effect I found evidence of came from somebody dosing themselves with what is known in the crazy part of the essential oil community as a morphine bomb. Now, this does not include morphine, which I would be ordering it right now if it did. This is a mix of balsam fir oil, the oil Gary was talking about in that video with copaiba. Which I've not heard of. And frankincense. The most prominent recipe I found for the morphine bomb was by kaylin backs, a distributor with Young Living essential oils. All the oils in the recipe are of course made by Young Living. While the picture of her recipe up on the site, here's what one person experienced after taking a morphine bomb for extreme pain quote they advertised it could be used via inhalation on skin or ingested. I trusted this combination would alleviate my pain due to their claims. Within a few hours of ingesting the oils, I began having racing heart, shortness of breath, pressure in my chest that radiated to my back. But my left jaw and down my left arm, the symptoms continued, and I eventually experienced cold sweats and nausea. The symptoms did not go away. I went to hospital. They gave me an EKG, blood work, and a CAT scan. They determined I was having a heart attack and remained hospitalized for three days and underwent a heart catheterization. Thank God Gary Young was not catheterizing that heart. I can do it. No, I know what to do. Let me get my chainsaw, you know, bird dog. Let me get in there, get there. Let me just root around in that for a little bit. You got any fishing line? I learned this in Ecuador. He's got that like. The way he said it felt like he knew what he was talking about, yeah, it was clear he did not. It's clear he did not bloodshot out like that. On the subject of the amazing ability of essential oils to divinely analyze your health and provide yourselves with everything they need and nothing they don't, I found a Reddit AMA with a former Young Living employee. This employee claimed, obliquely, that Gary Young pressured his employees about how to vote in 2016. Yeah, quote. One of the biggest stories I heard was that he called a company wide meeting around election season and basically told everybody that they should be voting for. A certain political candidate won't mention who. This does not need to be a political debate. Many people were scared that they would lose their job if they didn't vote a certain way, so it took an assurance. And the executive team, not Gary, to ease everyone's minds. So don't know who he was urging him to vote for, you know, theories. I have a inclination. I have an inclination because it feels like a tactic that the certain politician would use. It does feel like that. It does feel like that. This employee had also had several hilarious stories of these divine oils badly injuring people. Quote The greatest story you have to tell us about when I had a woman who called in because she read something that putting that oregano in her sports bra would help her losing weight, ended up with her burning her breasts, reported to the FDA, and was given a full refund. FDA is literally breathing at the company's neck, so they have very compliant. Quote one of the worst adverse reaction cases we had was when a guy's wife had followed another boss babes recipe for eye drops that included thieves and peppermint oil. The poor guy was given the drops and not only did it burn to high hell, but the guy's eye was, to put it simply, a color it never should have been. Honey, come here. I made some homemade eye drops. These are better than what the doctor gave you. God. Now, boss Babes is a term people in that subreddit which is focused on like MLM's and stuff used to describe people like the lady who wrote that fawning her view of Gary Young's autobiography, or The Lady who wrote the Morphine bomb recipe. They are women, mostly young mothers, who attempt and occasionally succeed in building distribution networks for Young Living products. Many of these people wind up desperate to move product, which is what leads them to stretch further and further the sort of claims they make about what exactly essential oils can do. 1 questioner in the Reddit thread asks quote, why do these oil MLMS promote putting the stuff on animals when many are knowingly toxic to animals as corporate OK with the claims that this stuff is fine to use on animals to which the OP replied quote, their stance is very confusing as they would not shut down recipients for animals, but they also would heavily promote their animal line of products that they claim would work with some off brand Pete instead of suggesting regular oils. I would always tell Members it's not safe at all though. Now if that's true, this person was distinctly not in line with his company's values in January of 2018. Since Facebook post went viral when she warned that she had accidentally poisoned her cat by getting a eucalyptus essential oil diffuser, eucalyptus for everyone listening, is toxic to cats. Don't keep eucalyptus in your house if you got ******* cats. I don't know if it's bad for dogs too. Maybe look into that, but it's ******* bad for cats now. The post was shared something like 700,000 times and prompted warnings from the ASPCA about exposing pets to essential oils, BuzzFeed notes. Quote Neither do Tara nor Young Living immediately return questions from BuzzFeed News about their products and animals. However, on its website, Young Living states that you can absolutely use its products on your animals. So that's great. Absolutely, absolutely. They may kill them, but you can. You can do it. You can absolutely do that, 100% you shouldn't, but you can. Gary Young died in Salt Lake City on May 12th, 2018, after a series of terrible strokes that all his essential oils were tragically unable to prevent. He is survived by millions of young life distributors and in a very real sense, dozens of spiritual children who have picked up on his methods and created their own. Dangerous medical scams and Gary Young's own image. In June of 2018, James Joseph Martin of West Sacramento, CA, was sentenced to one year in jail and five years probation after pleading no contest to three felony counts of practicing medicine without a license. He had been going by the name Doctor James Martin DPSC. Now, you may not have heard of a PSCD or DPSC. It sounds like a PhD, so most people don't question it. Here's what the website credential Watch says. Quote hundreds of practitioners are using the credentials. TSCD or DPSC, and or Doctor of Pastoral Medicine to promote their services. These titles come from the Texas based Pastoral Medicine Association which licenses practitioners and registers prospective patients as members who wish to receive care from these providers. The PMA, which is headquartered in Irving, TX, describes itself as a private ecclesiastical membership association with a mission to promote scripture based health and Wellness concepts. That's Yep, a lot of the best doctors get their training from the scripture from the scripture. Exactly. Testament. Exactly. A lot of medicines based on the old test on the Old Testament, so that's just great. The directory of doctors who have received this degree includes more than 2200 names. So while Gary Young may be dead, you can rest easy knowing that thousands upon thousands of other fake doctors have taken up his mantle and are probably delivering children with dangerously little qualifications and oversight right now. Wow, just Airbnb doctors going airborne just filter out. Is there a hot tub? Is there a hot tub? Maybe Eddie you ma'am, that is. I was just thinking, like, is that a mental illness where you're like, no, I'm a doctor, where you just like, I wonder or is it conniving where you're like they go home every day and then I can't believe this **** works, man, this is crazy. I feel like with Gary it is more on the illness side of things just because when he got rich, he didn't stop. If it was just about money and and wanting to pretend to be a doctor for money, why would you be doing surgery still after you've got hundreds of millions of dollars? Does feel like that's like an urge? Really wants to be a doctor. I won't get in there and fix what's going on. I wanna. I don't think anything's going on there. Let me get in there. Let me get in there. Every now and then he just stare at where I think my appendix was, in a way that I'd only seen men look at my **** before. I want to cut you out, but I wanna cut you open. Let me get an axe. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. But then he. It's frustrating because he's also very competent. It's certain things exceptionally so, and then other things. No ******* clue at all. No. I'm going to guess that gallbladder surgery in Ecuador did not go well. There's still they still tell that story, like when the white man came and opened up our cousin. That was a crazy we don't know what he took, but it was not his gallbladder, not allowed back in this village. If you came from Ecuador and know anything about what the **** Gary Young was doing down there, please reach out to us. That would throw us a line. It is. I mean, how far he went? Billions. Yeah. And what cracks me up is like, it's just one word removed from snake oil. Yeah. Which is. Yeah. Literally selling oil that he claimed could cure all your problems, but he called it essential and not snake. Yeah. Yeah. And people were like just put it on me. Yeah. And the focus on oils is in part because it's so expensive because if you're actually, if you actually spend any amount of time caring about like sort of, you know, like the the non woo ******** side of like natural plant based medicine, you just buy plants. It's very, you get pounds of most of the stuff that does anything good for pretty cheap, even if you're using frankincense and myrrh, a couple of bucks for like a like. It's not that. Offensive to get like a lot of it, but essential oils are expensive as **** because you gotta do the thing, you gotta do the thing and then adulterate it with a bunch of stuff so it's cheaper for you. And then. Yeah, it's it's an odd scam, an odd scam. And they don't work. They don't do it. Like, they're like, there's a lot of stuff that like, yeah, there's some health benefits to this, but like not to the essential oil. There's no evidence that that does anything. Well, it's got its own brain and it will figure out what's wrong with you and it will go to there and fix it. Which is very similar to ******* Elizabeth Holmes scam. Very similar if we're if we're just going to go. She just said it was science. Yeah. Yeah. And her thing was like. For this tiny drop of blood, we'll know what's wrong with you. My favorite lie of hers was the we can tell if you ate something bad. That's the one where I was like, I was like, who even I know. Like that's not how that works, Elizabeth. You were you went to school for this for a year and a half. Like, I spent more time on that, learning Arabic, and all I can remember is how to say United Nations. I took way more than that in Spanish. And I can I live in a Spanish neighborhood, barely communicate. Yeah, it's like, I'm gonna guess you don't learn all that much about blood science in your first 2 1/2 semesters. I figured it out. I will. That one lady is like, no, you didn't. No, no, you did not. You did not. It's very hard. It takes like a decade. I want you to, but you didn't. But you don't know what you're talking about. She just Heisman. Her just stiff armed her and moved on and then didn't blink at all. Those old. That's what they all did. Well. Yeah, yeah. But that's the same. It's the same scam that they're all the same. All of these scammers are the same, whether or not they're tricking Joe Biden into thinking they're blood testing machines work or tricking single moms into thinking that oregano oil is the right kind of eye drop to use, like they're all the same person. Well, and it's like any setback wasn't like a real setback for them. I think that's the amazing mental trick they do. They're very mentally resilient people because most people would be like, OK, what is ******* me? Up here? Yeah, because I get to a point every time and then I have to leave. Oh, it's because I'm not a doctor, but I seem capable enough. I could go to medical school, feel like I'm a doctor. But you know what? I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm just going to keep saying it till it's real. It's that thing like you were when the secret was a big thing that does work, but just for grifters. You're not wrong. You just keep saying you're the president. One of these days it'll be true. And it happened. It happened. Well, that's the thing with Trump, too. I'm fascinated with that. I try to remind people like, they're like, how can you be like that? Like, well, his lifestyle has never been affected, ever. Nothing. He's still, no matter if he loses in court today or whatever, he goes to the mansion, Gold mansion in the sky. Yeah. It's just and has his male wife that he ordered. It's like Gary Young, none of his, none of that getting convicted of pretending to be a doctor. Multiple times. Never was a set back. Just like, let's go where it's warm, but just find another state. Tired of this? I'm tired of all this Gray and rain. Let's go down. Finally. Well, let's just go to Utah. They don't give a **** what you do in Utah. Just keep selling your own. I mean, that's what we live in Hollywood. So. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. I mean, this is The thing is, like, if you're a grifter and you find wind up in Hollywood, it's fine, because the worst case scenario is you make the Boondock Saints. Like or the room. Or the room. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But like in Silicon Valley, it's you make a fake blood test and company. And in Utah, it's you wind up performing unlicensed surgery. You're exactly yes. So, Grifters just moved to LA. Just come to LA. The weather's great. It's. And if you don't make it, it's pretty good life anyway. Yeah, the weed's fine. Like, it's cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Your ability to handle rejection will serve you very well in this town. Oh, it is. It is. That's the number one skill here. If you can take no luck. It didn't happen. Yeah. Yep. You'll be running this ************ and we get into some dark stuff about the stand up industry. Yes. 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