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If you want to donate some cash to them, you can go to gofundme's diaper need. And COVID-19 response? If you just Google, go fund me diaper need and COVID-19 response, it should take you to the fundraiser. You can also find my pinned tweet on my Twitter at I write. OK, we'll take you right there. So diaper need and COVID-19 response on GoFundMe. Thank you all so much. Hello, this is behind the ******** podcast. That forever. You just had to look out. Haunted house? Yeah, I I don't know. I never come into this show with a plan. Like I write 10,000 words a week to do this show and then I I, I consistently just completely ****** the introductions. I think it's nice. I think it's, I think it's fun brand consistency. That's that's our Robert people are thinking that's Robert, it's you know it's easy to be have a consistent brand when your brand is being like a. An like a brain damaged drug addict who is incapable of doing anything but writing long essays about bad people. Simple brand. I think that's you're being reductive, but also when people hear you say things like that about themselves or about yourself, they go, that's all, Robert, I go, Oh my son, so, so pure. So humble. So probably shouldn't be trusted with large machinery anyway. Definitely not. You know who else should be trusted with large machinery because of the horrible head injury. Doctor Phil? Mm-hmm. Ohh. OK. I thought that was you introducing me. I was like, this is really neat. No, you're Jamie. I would trust you with heart heavy machinery. Although you don't have a driver's license, do you? I don't have a driver's license, but it hasn't stopped me from driving. Hell, yeah. Yeah. Well, good for you, Jamie. I could probably get it. I'm like, I could probably get a driver's license if I really wanted to do. I just don't want to. That's not true. I've. I've failed the test several times. The key thing about cops, Jamie, and this is some free advice for all of you out there. They're never ready for you to just tuck and roll, you know, like, if this is as long as you're driving a cheap car, if they start to pull you over, just tuck and roll and then ******* book it. Like I guarantee you they will not be ready. Yeah, I like it. They're just not going to be ready. And anyway, we should probably talk about Doctor Phil some, huh? Sure, yeah, let's probably probably chill out with our fill out. I need to go actually that's that's fair. This this has been the final episode of behind the ********. I'm so sorry. All right, yeah, let's chill out with our fill out. Mm-hmm. Just a big old pudgy, pudgy, no bald headed fill, just flopping around. Yeah, with a nice moustache. Hmm. Like a flopping around like a like a skink on a hot rock. OK. OK, later that year. So Doctor Phil helps Oprah out and and like saves her, saves her bacon and she brings him on her show and does her like verdict episode statement. She was getting like sued for a lot of money and defamation and ****. Like it was potentially something that would have really damaged her her her. Bottom line like I don't know this lingo. OK, so Doctor Phil later that year would become a regular part of her show and this was. Part of a pivot in Oprah show where she went from like doing a normal talk show to what she called Change Your Life TV. Yeah, the goal of change your life TV was to take the experience people had in fill seminars. The very public crowd influenced catharsis of emotional change, and put that **** on television for everybody to watch. Mostly this involves doctor Phil confronting people aggressively about their flaws so they would cry and say they learned something. Quote. This is Doctor Phil explaining his methodology. Yeah. In order for people to change, there has to be a dramatic event. I think coming on the Oprah show as an event in itself is a watershed occurrence in people's lives. They get told the bottom line, truth about where they are. And in that environment, I don't think they will ever forget it. If you embarrass people on national television, they remember they're, I mean, that's you know that that's not untrue. That's not untrue. OK? OK. Doctor Phil. Accurate. Jesus, OK. Yeah. So, so he's really, like heading into the, the, the villain years. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's small. I mean, he's been in villain territory this whole time, right? So on Oprah, show doctor Phil focused on clients whose problems were fit, things he could justify yelling about to them or yelling at them. For one early case was a husband who was verbally abusive to his wife, calling her obscene names. Phil could not just condemn the man, but he, like, didn't just condemn the man. He made the man's wife tearfully recount everything he said to her on TV. So, like, he's yelling at this guy for being * ****. But he's also demanding that this woman like, in detail explain every horrible thing her husband said about her to millions of strangers. Right. Like the the classic air out. The worst thing that's ever happened. Yeah, ratings for someone else. Love that I don't think is great, you know? No, I don't think that's great behavior. Would be my, my take on it. Not a psychologist. That Phil isn't really a psychologist either. So Phil then, after making this woman laboriously explained the horrible things her husband said to her, got to help provide some of his own homespun wisdom. In this case, he told the wife, you taught him how to treat you. Now this is a variation of one of Doctor Phil's life laws for people to follow, which he published in his plagiarized best selling book Life Strategies quote No, we teach people how to treat us own rather than. Complain about how people treat us. My mom has. So that's good. Look, Robert, did she blame herself for people being ****** to her? Just for a until about 2008? Yeah. Yeah. OK. Well, yeah, that's good. Like strategies. Self matters. The ultimate weight solution. God, I hate all of his titles. Yeah, we had them. Relationship rescue. We had that. It wasn't on the main shelf, but it was in the house. It was in the house. It was it was somewhere up in there. Yeah, well, I don't know. Did it? Did it rescue you? Relationships? Absolutely not. I think what we got, we got more out of John Edwards. Do you remember him or John Edwards talked to the dead guy? Yeah, the one who would like record people in the audience talking about the dead people they wanted to hear from and then walking out and being like, Oh yeah, exactly, yeah, that's. That's that was a fun bridge. I mean it also, but also a traumatizing 1. They're all traumatizing. They are all traumatizing grifts. That's what makes them so satisfying. Wow. Wow. We all learned a lesson, didn't we? No, no we didn't. So what's he up to? What's he doing? Alright, so doctor ******* Phil. So I, I wanna talk a little bit more about these life laws that he that he lays out in his first book. Because this is a major reoccurring theme, especially in early Doctor Phil. Like people will who critique people by explaining which life law they violated. Like the one where you're responsible for other people treating you ****** because we teach people how to treat us. Which is like an inversion of the truth, which is that if you're like abusers and predators are good at spotting your vulnerabilities and taking advantage of them, right. Uh-huh. And so you need to be aware of your own vulnerabilities because you need to be aware of how dangerous people might take advantage of you. That's the non-toxic way of framing that, the toxic ways. Hey, you taught him to be like that. Like, no you didn't. He saw that you had this vulnerability and you took advantage of it. That's a fair way to put the most abuse abusive tactics in the book. Like, well. Actually, it was fearful. And if you weren't so weak, this wouldn't have happened to you. And just like, oh, go **** *** and die. I want to try this logic with like crimes. Like the next time I've caught speeding. Like, look, officer, you taught me how to drive this car that way, like by by having the road be this straight and me be this drunk. You kinda taught me to speed. You know, I will say that every time I try to teach my dog something that is something that it's a very low stakes version of that they're like, well. To teach him he get cuckoo on your floor when you don't feel like standing up and I was like, yes, I guess I did. Christ in heaven, OK, so. Here's how he introduces the concept of life laws in his book quote life laws are the rules of the game. No one is going to ask you if you think these laws are fair or if you think they should exist. Like the law of gravity, they simply are. You don't get a vote. You can ignore them and stumble along wondering why you never seem to succeed, or you can learn them, adapt to them, mold your choices and behavior to them, and live effectively. Learning these life laws is the at the absolute core of what you must master in this book to have the essential knowledge. Or a personal life strategy? What kind of he went from zero to being like my laws, much like the law of gravity that is like that is Galaxy brain he's that are as unavoidable and unchanging is the tides, yes. You got, you have to appreciate the flagrantly on on display there. Jesus. Yeah, it's, you know, it's it's good, Jamie. Like you're you being abused being your fault. To me, that's gravity. It's like, oh, I want to put you through a shredder. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that would be fun. And I think we could probably get a pretty good prime time TV audience if we actually did that. Jamie. Have someone if we just put it through a shredder. Yeah. Well, watch. Got seen in Fargo. That's it's a that that's kind of like that's where his story is building taht **** we get Steve Buscemi in to present. That's a ******* hour of TV right there. There you go. There you go. And I'm sure he'd be happy to do it. I'm sure he would. Now, I bet, Jamie, you're hungry for some more of Doctor Phil's life laws. I can see it in your eyes. You're you're just you're just you're just. Yeah, absolutely. So most of these laws are pretty self-explanatory. I stuff like life. Towards action and you cannot change what you do not acknowledge. My favorite is people do what works, which boils down to the idea that we engage in bad behavior because it rewards us in some way. So Doctor Phil says, if you want to stop the behavior, stop rewarding yourself for it, which makes sense until you think about the way, say, heroin or junk food works because you can't stop it from the reward is the thing, right? Like, these are also so manipulatively worded, yeah, the next time you take heroin. Punch yourself in *** **** so you don't enjoy it as much. I don't know. Like what? That. Yeah. How do you like, statistically, most of the kind of people who want advice from are gonna be doing something like weight loss. And it's like, no, the reward is eating food. Like, that's right. That strategy isn't going to to help. You know, it's so frustrating, too, because it's like they're being the way they're worded is so deliberate that it's like, oh, I understand why people fell for this, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just all, it's just very, very transparent nonsense for the most part. Yeah. It's words in a in a certain sequence and charging you, you know, 1895 for a hardcover, you gotta give the man credit. It is words in a sequence that is undeniable. That doctor Phil, that was a sentence that that's the main uses sentences. You know, you gotta give that to him. You can't take that from him. So, yeah. Some of his rules are, however, a little more sinister. Probably the worst. Well, one of the worst is, I don't know, there's a lot of worsts. One is you create your own experiences. Here's how he explains that one don't play the role of victim or use past events to build excuses. It guarantees you no progress, no healing, and no victory. You will never fix a problem by blaming someone else. That's, first of all, not true. And that's just like, I mean, yeah, he's just clearly not even good. With the job he's getting famous for saying he's good at, that's so backwards. Yeah, it's it's I mean he's he sounds like a ******* Catholic priest. He's like, push your emotions down, OK? It's just such bad. It's particularly all bad advice for like, abuse victims. Because if you're an abuse victim, in a lot of cases, part of the healing process is realizing that your abuser is the person to blame and that all these things they got you to blame yourself for aren't things you did wrong. And that they. Like that. That's a big part of healing from that sort of thing. And he's just like, no, no, no, don't be blaming this guy because he was beating you. Maybe you didn't do the laundry right? You know, maybe you should have got his beer faster. I'm doctor Phil. I'm a doctor. You know, like, *** **** it, I really don't like this guy. Yeah. I also want to read you the we said earlier one of his rules is we teach people how to treat us. But the actual wording in the book of how he explains that is even creepier than you might guess, quote you either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect. Where you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. You shape others behavior when you teach them what they can get away with and what they cannot. This is like a God. You're just like, oh God. OK, So what did you do that you need to believe this in order to live with yourself? Yeah, right. Jesus ******* Christ. Yeah, he's he's really a bad person. I don't like him. House. Wow. It was nice to, like clearly remember being next to my mom's bed. Yeah, like, you know, it's the good book. You gotta gotta keep it close to you. We didn't own the Bible. We own life. Strategy is the John Edward book. And that other one by that guy who said he could talk to dead people. I forget who it was. Oh, John Edwards. And there's a lot of dead people talkers. Yeah. So despite the fundamental emptiness of Phil's philosophy, or perhaps because of it, Doctor Phil became a wild success. His first episode ran in 2002 of the Doctor Phil Show. Like, he spun off pretty quickly. And he's been on the air ever since. He instinctively knew that the real money in this sort of TV was leaning in towards the most tragic and risque stories. Drug addiction, spousal abuse, troubled teens, all that good ****. He was happy to throw medical best practices out the window. In 2004, he interviewed A9 year old Boy whose parents said he was being abusive towards his younger sister. Doctor Phil said the child had nine of the 14 characteristics of a serial killer. Then he added Jeffrey. Dahmer had seven Jesus OHS. Uh, very well crafted insult. That's beautiful. Yeah, it's, it's. Like so any reputable psychologist or psychiatrist will tell you that one thing you can't do, as in like it's forbidden in the discipline, is to diagnose a child as a psychopath. You you're not allowed to do that because they're children, their brains are developing, and shackling a child with that diagnosis is incredibly unethical. Doctor Phil did it on national television. He did. Isn't he still doing it on national television? I mean, yes, yes, yes, he does this all the ******* time. Yes, yes. From a write up by BuzzFeed quote, Doctor Phil purports to be a mental health professional, but he's diagnosing from videotape on the air, said then executive director of the National Alliance on Mental Illness Michael Fitzpatrick to the Washington Post in a 2004 story about Doctor Phil's bad psychotherapy. It's unethical to do that, sort of, if you will. Pop psychology. You don't do that for ratings. This is a human being, a spokesperson. Doctor Phil at the time said that McGraw never labeled the child is mentally ill, which is technically true. He merely brought up Jeffrey Dahmer. So there you go. This is like just next level. It's and it it it's it all rings like semi familiar. It is kind of like interesting to think about how how used to as a culture, how used to. We are of like Doctor Phil saying the most ****** ** thing he could possibly think of at a child because he's been doing it for 25 years and I love how from the beginning, yeah. Like, oh, that wasn't an escalation. It was just always that. No. People have been complaining about Doctor Phil in this way from the very beginning of his career, and it has never made a difference for a single second, and it's never made him less money. It doesn't seem like this is so ******* bleak. I think it's just made him more money, which is good. I mean, he picked a good life strategy, you know, you get more money than I do. So doctor Phil stopped renewing his license to pack practice as a psychologist in 2006. He has never held a valid license in California. Where his show is filmed, a spokesperson for his show confirmed that he stopped renewing his license because he, quote, no longer worked as a therapist, which I don't disagree with, but I would argue he is absolutely marketing himself as a therapist and is still in the business of therapy. He's presenting himself as someone who has a license. He for sure is. And he's not just still doing therapy on his show, he is selling products to companies that make their whole. All of their money from doing therapy like he I'll get into that now. A stat news Boston Globe investigation several years ago revealed that Doctor Phil and his son, some dude named Jay, started a business called Doctor Phil's Path to recovery. And the late aughts, this was a virtual reality addiction recovery program where a VR doctor Phil would walk you through exercises to help you get and stay sober from BuzzFeed. Quote users done virtual reality goggles and are placed in scenarios with Doctor Phil. And one McGraw sits at a bar, arms folded across his chest, counselling his visitor on how to avoid the triggers of an evening out when alcohol is present. In another scene, he reclines in jeans on the backyard patio of his sprawling estate, sparkling pool and fuschia flowers behind him, and a wide blue sky above, and shares coping strategies. You'll leave these sessions feeling as though you just had an eye opening and insightful conversation about your life with Doctor Phil, the path to recovery website promises. The product is described as the culmination of more than 4 decades of experience. Doctor Phil has working in the mental health profession and addiction recovery. So that sounds helpful. That's yeah, that would thank you for that clarifying statement. Now, obviously, there's absolutely no evidence that this program helps with addiction in any way. A disclaimer on the website says that it is, quote solely for general information purposes and is, quote, not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any medical, health, mental or psychological problem or condition. The worst kind of person, the worst kind of person because now he's just outright targeting the most vulnerable people he can. It's like it was, I didn't care. He was targeting other grifters, yeah, and he's not even doing it in a situation where they can choose to be grifted by him. Because by the time they're in addiction recovery, right, like they're already paying, they probably don't even know that this ******* thing is there, right? Yeah. Now, despite the fact that there's no evidence that this thing helps in any way, a number of addiction recovery programs purchased PATH to recovery to use. You wanna guess why they bought it? Why? Because Doctor Phil gave them free advertising on their show if they bought it, no. The business is a business boy. Boy, he's really good. Fist boy, yeah. Doctor Phil offered addiction treatment centers, free endorsements on both the Doctor Phil Show and his spin-off series the Doctors if they first bought his program. BuzzFeed managed to get a hold of audio of one of these pitch sessions where McGraw salesman told a customer quote, our job is to get your phones to ring and the admissions hopefully follow. He bragged that Doctor Phil's viewers were older, high income people, not the addict calling because I told my mom I'd do it. Oh my ******* God. Ohk. OK, so we're we've arrived at cartoon villainy. We sure have. Jamie Loftus. Ohh we share his ****. Have yeah. OK, well what what does does does Oprah ever does they forget? Because over the years Oprah has endorsed a number of questionable people and sometimes out out John of God there and and shout out what's his name? Who wrote a million little pieces? Oh yeah, Jonathan Frey, right. Yeah, yeah. She she's had to, like, apologize for having endorsed a lot of ****** ** people over the years. Has that that that moment has never happened for Doctor Phil, right? She's never backed off. Did she ever back off from him at any? No. No. No, no, no. They're still deeply tied together. Why would she ever back off on him? I guess that's true. God. Yep. Dead man. How are you? OK, well, that was that was the question I wanted a better answer to accept the truth. The truth is that, uh, why would she care? She's she's doing just fine. Yeah, she has. She has plenty of money. So, like, what do you what do you expect her to do, Jamie? I don't know. I don't know. It's like you can't expect anyone with that much money to be a good person. You're just saying yourself that you're you're just asking to be sad because they just asked me to whack them all right down. Yeah, they they never will be. Because it's not lucrative to be a good person. It's the opposite of lucrative to be a good person. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. You know what is lucrative though, Jamie? Chilling the products and services that support this podcast. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. 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That's better helpp.com/behind betterhelp.com/behind. Hey, it's Rick Schwartz, one of your hosts for San Diego Zoo's Amazing Wildlife podcast. In this special episode, we sit down with Doctor Jane Goodall to hear her inspiring thoughts on how we can create a better future for humans, animals and the environment. Anything, particularly young children out into nature so that they can experience it and take time off from this virtual world of being always on your cell phones and so on. And get the feel of nature so that you come to be fascinated, then you come to want to understand it, and then you come to love it, and at that point you want to protect it. And then we'll come to the sort of healthy world that I envision as a good future for us. And the rest of life on this planet. Listen to amazing wildlife on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Ah, we're back and I am just having a great time talking with my friend Jay loft about Doctor Phillips Philmar. What's what's his middle name? What's his name? So that's disappointing. Phillip Calvin McGraw. Calvin? Yeah. Jamie, I just talked to you about how Doctor Phil has this VR addiction treatment thing, and he he's he basically gives people, gives like treatment centers, free advertising. If they buy it, hate it. OK you wanna guess the quality of the facilities that that that take doctor fill up on this offer only the best, right? Who is it? Is it worse than nothing? Ohh Jamie, it's a lot worse than nothing in some cases. One facility that took Doctor Phillip on this author offer was inspirations for youth and families. A Fort Lauderdale based treatment Center for teenagers. Phil actually highlighted the facility run by Corcoran Walsh on his show the day he announced his new VR program saying. We think outside the box in designing what addicts need. What you need is something that pops out of the noise, something that rises above the noise like a distinctive voice. And that voice in this case is me. Doctor Phil then introduced Walsh, saying she ran the nation's leading family addiction treatment and dual diagnosis center. BuzzFeed actually investigated the facility and found that it had a well documented history of children escaping and getting into danger. Steven Sarduy API, who was hired, hired to find two different girls who escaped from the facility and disappeared. Said it seems to be an ongoing problem and that this in that particular facility. Obviously there's a gap somewhere, a loophole somewhere in the system where they're just leaving. In the last two years, inspiration staff members made 180 reports to police about children in their care going missing sometime the scenes. Sometimes the teens left for days or even escaped the state. One escapee wound up prostituting herself for drugs. A number of the teens wound up finding drugs one way or another after getting out of the facility. Six were arrested, two were hospitalized. One group who escaped together, later robbed homeless man. BuzzFeed talked to Jill Walters of South Carolina, who's 17 year old, escaped from inspirations in 2016 and wound up on the street in Miami. She explained why she initially had chosen inspirations to help her. Boy. Quote, they touted this. We were on Doctor Phil. They used that as we must be a great facility because we were on Doctor Phil. Well, that has nothing to do with how the facility is run. You entrust your child to the care of these people and something like this happens. It's good ****. God, that's I that that that it wouldn't stop getting worse. That is so ******* off. It's like, I mean it's pretty bad. It's pretty, pretty bad. Jamie. It speaks to like, yeah, just the the the level of clout he. But he's he's still upholds too because it's like, yeah, I guess that if you think about it for a while you're like, Oh well, he's not a licensed Dr and look at what he's actually saying. But it's like the the world was reinforcing. This ******** for so long that is so evil. Oh my God. Yep. It is evil, Jamie sure is. But you know what's not evil? What? The products and services that I just advertised on this podcast that we're not actually cutting to again. I just. I have a problem, Jamie. I I have a problem. Stop thinking. And I I can't stop. I can't stop pivoting dads. You know, you're just you're you've been. I mean, and I'm you know what, Jamie? I'm an I'm an addict. Oh my God. Get it? Ohhh. Yeah. Say that to me. I hated it. That one's a good one. That one that's a keeper. You know what? We're done. With the episode go home, I nailed it. Wow. Wow. We got to end with Doctor Phil ruining the lives of children. I mean, I guess that that is where the story is going to end, no matter what it is. It's where it began, and it's where it'll end. Yeah. Tell me, doctor Phil. Just kill me now. I got OK, I am going to, I am going to continue to advocate for put Doctor Philip through a gigantic human sized shredder on live TV. I think that that is the kind of dystopian television like we're already at mask singer. That's the next logical step for me as fair enough, but I hated. I hated evil person through a shredder. It's the modern guillotine. Big old shredder. Yeah, it's the best way to do anything really. Shredder. Anyway, Jamie Jay loft jotus, hmm. Joe loft. Go aloft. Sure. God, yes. We're actually still talking about inspirations. So court records also reveal that the centers co-owner Christopher Walsh is, by his own admission, a habitual drunkard who in 2015, Suda Resort for serving him alcohol, saying they should have known he couldn't handle it. And boy Howdy, does it ever get worse. Let's talk about Todd Herzog. Yeah, ohh yeah, boy, yeah. That's the end of the inspiration stuff. But so Todd Herzog was another was a repeated guest on the Doctor Phil. Now Todd's back story is that he won survivor back in the early aughts. He got like $1,000,000 and then became a horrible like developed a horrific addiction to alcohol. Like a life threatening addiction. Now Doctor Phil and his producers must have salivated at the combination of disastrous alcoholic and reality TV star. Here's how stat news described what happened next. Quote Herzog told Stat in the Boston Globe that he was not intoxicated when he arrived at the Los Angeles studio to film the Doctor Phil Show and. The dressing room. He said he found a bottle of Smirnoff vodka. He drank all of it. Then someone handed him a Xanax, he said, telling him it would calm his nerves. So. This guy handed him the Xanax, managed to sober himself up enough to, like, try to go on TV. And Doctor Phil's people basically allegedly made sure there was a full bottle of vodka and a ******* gave him a Xanax. Did you? Just? Because, you know, I think the reasoning is the more of a disaster you seem like on air, the more marketable you are. Yeah, right, right. But which is a proven model given the star of the show that is like bachelor. Levels of like, **** no. Jamie, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. Let's get as close as we can to killing people. Dear, dear, sweet Jamie Loftus. We are not even at the worst part yet. Ohh no. OK, keep going, keep going. So by the time Herzog got on stage, he was so wasted that he could barely talk or function. Doctor. Phil and his assistant walked them out his themselves, making a big show of helping him while highlighting just how rect he was. And I want you to listen. To this. Jamie, I want you to watch this, obviously, but, Umm, I I want everyone at home or in your car or pooping or whatever it is you're doing. God, I can't describe the anxiety of seeing. Robert Evans has started screen sharing. I know, I know, I know. Alright, here's the doctor. Phil, show doctor Phil. Hi, I'm Todd. Nice to meet you. How you feel, man? Can you walk? Barely. I have to have help. Sorry, I'm very random once you get over there and take Debbie spot. I'll, I'll go. It's alright. I'm sorry I'm crying because I just can't believe this is happening so. Just come turn around, OK, so that's all I wanna play of that he can barely move. It is fundamentally unethical to have someone in that state on your television show even. I mean even even if they had been an equated of their own volition and not being like fed drugs, that is that even if they had consented earlier, I don't think you can consent to that. Yeah, absolutely not like, yeah, God, that is like the. The worst situation imaginable. That is ******* evil. Yeah, it's not. It's not good, Jamie. It's just not a good thing to do. I would say I would recommend not doing that if if I was, if someone asked me, should I take someone who has a problem with addiction and give them drugs and then film them? Disastrously wrecked, I would say no. That sounds like an evil thing to do that is absolute. Rule. Oh God, it's cruel and good, Jamie. Cruel and good. And they just had that on in waiting rooms. That was just what you watched while you were waiting to see the dentist. ****. So when questioned, representatives of the Doctor Phil Show denied that they provided Herzog with alcohol and drugs. They said junkies lie, in essence, about his claims, and then they pointed out that they weren't a medical facility and couldn't watch their guests at all times. The director of the treatment facility where Herzog agreed to go for help at the end of the show, however, was horrified when he saw him on television. He was so upset by the condition that Doctor Phil let Herzog appear on air in that he refused to ever have. Anything to do with the Doctor Phil Show again. So this was so outrageous that it convinced the head of a treatment program that all of the free advertising that Doctor Phil show could provide was not worth the ethical compromise of dealing with that man. I can't. I mean, I can't. You can't really hand it to him for that. But that's, I mean, that's ******* something, that's for sure. So bleak. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it. You you have to really like. You have to really do bad to to to convince someone of that. I think, like, that's a yeah, like that that's throwing a lot of money out. And I don't know. I'm not gonna say all people in the rehab facility business are sketchy, but there's a lot of sketchy ************* in that industry, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's cool and good, Jamie. Wow. I feel really not very good, Jamie. That's. Thank you so much for saying that. You know, here at behind the ******** that's exactly what we go for at all. Every time I convince myself that this is going to be a fun one, and every time except the one time, I'm dead wrong. Yeah, even worse than I could have conceived. All I ever want is for you to feel bad. Thank you so much. That's my whole goal. You know, you're a successful person. You're. I'm not a hero. I'm just. I'm a hero, OK? I'm a hero, you know? So I'm not a hero. Got Herzog story does not appear to be an isolated one. No Jordan Smith appeared on the Doctor Phil Show in 2012 in an episode titled Young, Reckless, and Enabled. Smith's aunt claims she contacted to the show to help get her niece off of heroin. When they arrived in LA from out of state, Jordan started going through withdrawal. Her aunt told the show producer that her niece needed heroin and something or something else to help with the withdrawal. The producer suggested that they go to Skid Row and buy heroin together. She she. And told them not to say who made that suggestion later. Now, guests like Smith has received free addiction treatment and an expensive center after their appearance on the show, which is why many do it. But prior to taping, no medical treatment is provided or offered. Smith and her family were in Los Angeles alone for two nights before taping. A less trusting person than me might suggest that the show does this so that these people will be extra ****** ** and sad when it comes time for them to be on television. Sure, sure. Yeah, it's very ethical. That is extremely like you have to be thinking so hard to come up with something like that. It's so innocuous. Seeming wow, these people's lives are already off the ******* rails. How can we make it a little worse? I'm doctor Phil. Joel King Parish brought her 28 year old daughter, Caitlin to doctor Phil for help kicking a heroin addiction. Huh. Caitlin was six months pregnant at the time. Her mother assumed that when they landed, they would receive medical attention since withdrawal could endanger the fetus. But when Caitlin's mom asked the staff for help, they told her to quote take care of it. She took her daughter to the hospital, which she left without a sheet, receiving treatment next from Stat News quote. The producer texted to say she should stay at the hospital, but Caitlin would not, and King Parish was terrified the baby would die if her daughter did not get medicine or drugs. King Parish and Caitlin went to the Doctor, Phil studio, where another show staffer joined them. All three got into a cab headed for Skid Row. The staffer shot video, which later aired on the show. In it, King Parish tells the camera. I am scared to death right now. The camera follows Caitlin from behind. She walks towards homeless encampments. King Paris said Kate Miller was gone for about 1/2 hour. Well, she shot up heroin, so they just like went out to go buy horse at Skid Row and filmed it. That's, I mean and that's like that's good TV is what that is. This doesn't change when they really upsetting. I mean, yeah, I mean, on top of the fact that that's an extreme disservice to her, that's also like yet another example of like ******** high rated TV heading into unhoused encampments to just frame people and completely context list bumped up way. I hate that **** so much. That is possible. I think it's cool and good, Jamie. I think it's cool and good. What? I hate this **** so much. Ohh, Loftus, we do have fun on this show, though we sure do. We show, we sure do. You know, bust out the franzia and really dial this? Yeah, friends out with our glands out. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm stuck. I'm stuck making that exact kind of joke repeatedly. I'm. I'm still chilling. Chilling with chilling, chilling with my chillin. Yeah, wow, that's gross. No, no, no. All deeply uncomfortable. 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If they're single payer healthcare that covers addiction treatment, the Doctor Phil show profits off of sadness. Born the shock and embarrassment people feel watching the ruined lives of his guests and the sassy no ******** advice Doctor Phil gives them. He earns between 60 and $80 million a year. Of course, the Doctor Phil show. I know, right? That's an obscene number, isn't it? Yeah. ******* just makes you wanna light some **** on fire, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. Yeah, it sure does, Jamie. It sure does. So of course the Doctor Phil Show would get boring pretty quick if he only dealt with people. Suffering from drug addictions and abusive spouses from the beginning, a major source of content for McGraw was so-called troubled teens. Kids in crisis are big business for grift TV therapists because being children, those kids have no ability to regulate their emotions and no sense of proportion. This leads to TV friendly explosions of rage. In 2016, Doctor Phil interviewed Danielle Bregoli for an episode titled I Want to Give Up my Car Stealing, knife wielding, twerking 13 year old daughter who tried to frame me for a crime. Which is just a title meant to to show up on a like, like throwing twerking in there with ******* cars, stealing. Shameless the word. Twerking. There was a there was a cultural heft to it. Sure, now bregoli now goes by the stage name bad Baby, BHA. DBHA BBIE was a prime time ready delinquent. She spoke in a ridiculously affected hood accent and pretended to basically be a gangster in the kind of confrontational, like nonsense. Mean age way that gave doctor so a lot of openings to mock her with his witty rejoinders. I don't wanna play much of her appearance because she was a child, and I think what Doctor Phil does by having her on is fundamentally abusive. But I do think it's important to play how the episode starts so you can see how he introduces this segment and hear it. You, you listening? We'll hear it. Jimmy, I want you to pay attention to the looks on the faces of the people in his audience. OK? She was defiant. You like how she met her? Match. You wanna do it again with Doctor Phil? You can threaten them, but I'm your worst nightmare girl. Well, thank you. Thank you. Well, you know, I've been doing this show for 15 years and I've met some truly remarkable people, and I have heard thousands of stories now in that time. You get to thinking that you've seen and heard just about everything. That was until today. Meet Danielle now. Danielle's mom, Barbara Ann, has written to me every year for the past three years about her daughter. Who has sold thousands of dollars, framed her mother as a drug user and then called 911 to report her. And is currently facing Grand Theft charges. Now I answered her call for help and I sent my film crew across the country. To capture what was going on inside this home. Needless to say, while my team was there, something shocking and unexpected happened. Shortly after they had finished filming, one of my crew members noticed that Danielle had vanished. With the keys to my crew member's car. Now, sure enough, when Daniel's grandmother Barbara went outside, she found out that Danielle had stolen the car, which had the crew members, handbag, wallet, ID and cash inside. Now, that's not bad enough. Danielle's only 13 years old. So you see, the thing that's most interesting to me about that is the faces of the women in the audience, because they are particularly the Glee, right? Like, that's the thing that's most unsettling to me, is like how excited they are with every new aspect of this story that Doctor Phil reveals. Well, and I also think that those reactions may not even be, I mean. Those reactions in themselves are extremely coached where yes, I like. I used to do like audience work when I first had moved here and had like this. No money to my name and you're so extremely coached. And like before the show even starts you're told to do a series of facial expressions for the editors to work with. And so it's it's like manipulation top to bottom with how it's handled. Because it's like not only is he obviously not has no vested interest in the well-being of this kid like he also like. I I I would argue probably that editing is completely ******* doctored as well. Yeah. I have no idea if that's the those those if those face expressions match like what was actually going down. But like it's all I guess specifically the idea that they wanted to show those reactions cause I think they're trying to coach your response. They're trying to coach response from the people watching at home too, right this like this, the voyeurism, like it makes it clear none of this is about helping anyone. It's about laughing at quote UN quote, low class people and their problems. You know, that's that's what Doctor Phil really makes his bread doing for sure. Yeah, that's great. But **** him, like, she went on to like have a successful, like, she's 18. She's she was nominated for an American Music award. Oh, she was. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, good. I'm glad there's a happy ending that I don't know much about bad baby, but like teen now and like she's you know, signed her record label. I mean, yeah. And and she is standing up for, for what happened to her, which we're about to get into that. Yeah, so Bregoli went viral, and within the confines of the episode, Doctor Phil positioned himself as the dispenser of tough love. His prescription was to send Bregoli to one of his favorite therapeutic boarding schools, Turnabout Ranch in Utah. This is an actual working ranch for troubled teens are sent under the impression that working in the country and rate riding horses will get them off of drugs, premarital sex, and petty crime. In subsequent episodes, Bregoli filmed an update from the ranch where she dropped her fake accent and. Claimed to feel OK with who I am now, but she was not being honest. Understandably so. In 2018, she released an original song and gave a different view of her experience at Turnabout quote. I was it was pretty miserable. I did not know what was going on in the real world. This place was far away from anything. There wasn't even service there, she says in the song. A couple weeks after being home, I finally decided that I wanted to meet up with my best friend again, somebody who was not good for me at all. Instantly I'd say it was the next day we got back to doing. Old **** again. Smoking. Trying to finesse people for money. Just doing really, really **** ****. Her reintegration into society was made all the more difficult by the fact that when she returned to school and the Internet, she realized, rather suddenly, that she'd gone viral for being a ridiculous train wreck of a person on a nationally syndicated TV program. She claims that this basically made her decide to, quote, lean in to the bad behavior that had made her famous, right? Once you become a meme, there aren't a lot of ways to get a clean slate. There's no right to be forgotten in the US, so why wouldn't bregoli just keep being the person everyone already thought she was? Yeah, this gets to one of the things I think is worst about the Doctor Phil Show. It's one thing to shamelessly milk the worst moments and the greatest shames in the life of an adult. It's another thing entirely to do that to a child who has no real way to understand the long term coming. Yeah, no way that she could have possibly understood the long term consequences of being coming. That kind of famous. It it's complete. Yeah, it it's like. Violin every level and it's like, whatever. I mean, clearly doctor Phil does not give a ****. No, no, not a not 1/3 of a ****. Yeah, but it it is and it and it also, I think like speaks to how, especially for a kid which is like that should doing what he does to children should be illegal. It should be a crime, yes. You should not be allowed to do **** like that. And on top of that it speaks to like, how? I don't know. It's like I remember that clip when it first came out and there was no popular. Conversation about like the well-being of the child who's clearly being exploited by a multi millionaire. Yeah and and it's and and and I I see that. I mean it's when you're introducing the public that way and you are coming from a place of poverty and you are not being empowered at all or protected. Like what are you supposed to do? Like that miserable cruel situation to be put in. It's it's ****** **. Now, Jamie, that's all pretty bad, right? Everything we've talked about happening to broccoli is bad, yes, but to make matters worse, the ranch doctor Phil sent her and a bunch of other kids too, was about as ethical as, oh, I don't know, the drug rehabilitation treatment programs he was also sending kids to. I'm gonna quote again from BuzzFeed. It's not clear if turnabout is actually helpful to the kids who go, who go, or if it's just another facility that takes advantage of the miners who are sent there to get better. Just last week, 19 year old Hanna Archuleta. Two suit the school for an alleged sexual assault that she said happened to her while she was staying at turnabout. At just 17, this is likely to be a high profile profile case too, with Gloria Allred representing her turnabout. Administrators provided a statement to me saying they took immediate action after Archuleta claimed she had been assaulted, but that her father removed her from the facility before we could conduct a full inquiry, the statement continued. We would never take lightly an allegation of mistreatment to any of our students. Now that this incident is the subject of litigation, we must withhold our full response. For later date now, the owner of this ranch is Aspen Education Group, which was then bought by CRC, which is now owned by Acadia Healthcare. In an e-mail statement to BuzzFeed News, Acadia's Director of Investor Relations, Gretchen Humerick said it is my understanding that Turnabout Ranch and Aspen Educational Group were closed or sold prior to Acadia's acquisition of CRC Health. In any event, Acadia never operated either of the facilities. Turnabout has gone through multiple owners and since 2014, has been owned by current. The former employees of the ranch, but Aspen education has been accused of multiple infractions by former attendees, including lawsuits that claimed psychological torture, abuse, sexual assault, and human trafficking. The torture suit was dismissed, but CRC, the owner of Aspen Education at the time, declined to address specific allegations. Arcadia did not answer our questions about these allegations either, so just not only like a bunch of people involved in this have been alleged of things including human trafficking, there's been sexual assault allegations at the ranch. But it like goes this revolving carousel of owners because it's like a shady ******* it's just like they're pumping a quick amount of cash out and then selling it to somebody else. It's so ******* shady. Sure that that's yeah, I'm sure that that's like integral to it being able to survive at all. Like it needs to be constantly changing hands. That's, I mean, the whole team treatment industry, like, I've done a number of art. Back when I was at Cracked, I did a number of articles with survivors of these facilities. Like, all of these facilities are basically child molestation factories. And like, child abuse factories in general, not always molestation. Sometimes they just kill them. From neglect, you know, there was, there was a the good ones that reached the point where like Paris Hilton made a documentary about it last year. Yeah, yeah, it's Paris Hilton and actually Danielle Bregoli bad baby are involved right now with going against Doctor Phil about this exact place. So it's very interesting that you mentioned it. It does. I don't know much about her always mentioning, but besides the stuff that was like famous about how ****** she was 1520 years ago, but it seems like she's been doing some like good socially responsible stuff lately. First. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like it seems like she has. I mean, also, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not about to. I'm not gonna go to bat for the stop being poor lady, but. Yeah. Right, right, right. But but yeah, that that specific instance, I'm. I'm glad she did. You have wealth and prominence and you use it to take a swing at the teen treatment industry. That gets you a couple of points in my book because it's a ******* nightmare. Maybe we'll do a deeper episode about it at some point, but a lot of the allegations that we just listed. About this facility and its many owners predate the episodes of Doctor Phil, where he gave free advertisements to the ranch. This means that McGraw and his staff were well aware of the allegations against Aspen and the ranch when they sent children there. When questioned about this, a spokesperson for the show said we're aware and we're monitoring things. Since Archuleta went public with her allegations, Bregoli has come forward with more detail about her own experience. She now says she was denied food at times, and that camp administrators often refused to let inmates change their clothes. For days on end inmates, you're. Yeah, and I that's my framing. But yes, you're helpless. You can't call your parent. You can't e-mail your parent. If the state says they have to give you 2 pebbles, they're going to find the smallest ******* pebbles to give you. That's supposed to help kids get over trauma. I would have rather went to jail like I one of the girls I talked to who did this when she was like 14 or 15. Like one of the punishments they gave her was she had to dig up the the stump of a mature tree on her own, which if you've never had to remove. Stump it's something like three to four large adult men usually do with a ******* truck and power tools. Yeah, she just spent days in 120 degree heat, like slowly dying as she tried to force the stump out as a child. Like, these places are all nightmares. Horrible. Bregoli is, of course, not the only teenager featured on the Doctor Phil Show. BuzzFeed writers Scotchy Cowell announces announce uh, sorry, Scotchy, I don't know if I'm getting that right. Alleges that while McGraw is healthy, is happy to feature. Children of all genders he gets particularly aggressive with teenage girls quote their most vulnerable private moments. Screaming and crying at home are used on the show until the very end, when their parents decide to send them to turnabout. Every episode of the Doctor Phil Show ends with an after the taping segment, where the kids find out they're going to a ranch in the middle of nowhere and usually cry, which is, of course, great television. Most kids featured in this way do not get any updates on the Doctor Phil Show, or at most, mentioned briefly once more. Daytime TV moves too fast for the doctor to actually check back in with most of his patients. In 2008, Doctor Phil spun off and created a new show, the doctors. Every episode of this show features a plastic surgeon, an obstetrician, and an ER doc who talk about different health topics. Yeah, this sounds like it might be. Yeah. Shop waiting room class. We're not gonna go into a lot of detail about this, but a 2014 study of the show determined that about 37% of their recommendations were not credible. Which honestly means they're doing better than I. Yeah, I expected worse. Better report card than I expected. If you're a doctor, for example. Said 37% of the time I'm going to give you bad advice. You would find a new Doctor there. And it's like, oh, wow, deep plus. That's not the worst thing. Yeah, imagine a mechanic saying that. Yeah, 37% of the time the brakes I put in work, you know, your odds are pretty good. OK, fair enough. I was like, there's no way they're somewhat correct 63% of the time. Why, yes, and again, somewhat being the operative word. Sure, we could go into a lot of other case studies of particularly egregious guest choices, but going over all these sad people in the way Phil exploits them ad nauseam kind of runs the risk of being sorrow **** itself. I do think it behooves us to look at one last case study, perhaps the most nauseating guest choice of the whole series. 24 year old Gabby came on the doctor. Phil. Ago in February of 2020, she had promised to act as a surrogate womb for two different couples. Gabby had not taken any money from them, and she could not bear children. She is infertile and chronically ill her father claims she has psychosis, bipolar disorder, and learning disabilities. In the show, it's revealed that Gabby's mom died right around the time she started pretending to be a surrogate, which was also a period where she was the victim of constant bullying at school. From BuzzFeed quote, her scam wasn't illegal. Because Gabby never asked for money or items from the couple she lied to. It's just tragic, hurtful behaviour from someone deeply isolated and in dire need of mental health care from multiple past traumas. Most of the episode focuses on the producers following Gabby around backstage, begging her to come on stage when she clearly doesn't want to. They called her difficult and volatile, and though she signed an appearance release, it's not clear to the audience that she has read and understood it. When a producer asks her on camera to confirm she understands the waiver, she doesn't respond. And covers her face with the pages of the release, but she's certainly remorseful and seems to feel guilty. In a pre taped interview, Gabby cries to the producers. I just want to say sorry to everyone that I've hurt. When she walks off the stage in anguish, McGraw merely sips his water in size. The episode is near unwatchable. Yeah, I mean that that doesn't sound like consent was gained at all. I mean, there were so many red flags. Yeah, it doesn't sound like she's capable of consenting to that. Yeah, I. I don't even know what to think. I mean that entire though, because I don't trust any of the information that anyone is presenting in this in in this way. But that's just, I mean, very clear. There's not an issue that should be handed handled on television. Yeah, doctor talking least. Yeah, that is, yeah. That is just ******* despicable. So Doctor Jeff Sugar, an assistant professor of clinical psychology at USC, provided a description of the Doctor Phil Show that I think access is as good a coda to this episode as anything quote. It's a callous and inexcusable exploitation. These people are barely hanging on. It's like if one of them was drowning and approaching a lifeboat and instead of throwing them an inflatable doughnut, you throw them an anchor. And that's Doctor Phil, baby. Dphil. I am so upset about that. Like, I just this was like one of my like the toughest lessons of all time. Maybe because he's just still such a real present public. Disgrace and danger. But like, holy **** I I can't even enjoy doctor Phil memes. I was going to show you Doctor Phil memes. I'm not gonna not worth it. **** it. **** it. **** him. Put him through a shredder. Put him through a shredder. And you at home put yourself through a shredder, but a good kind of shredder that makes you healthy, life affirming kind of shredder. Yeah, you know, in a way, in a way, everything is that if it is not just capitalism, but yourself. Well with that Jamie, I think it's time for you to plug a pluggable and get the get the **** out of this zoom call and go live your your *** **** life, Jamie. Go live your ******* life. You know, I'm, I'm dying to live my life. So you can just, you can you can listen to the podcast, you can listen to backdoor pass, you can listen to the leader podcast and they listen to my ear and Mensa. And you can listen to my new show about Kathy Comics that comes out in June. *** **** it, *** **** it. And all of you at home. This is miserable. 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