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Part Two: Dr. Oz: Why 'America's Doctor' Is A Bastard
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Giving people 3 hours of uninterrupted airtime. You know, there's just something about it. I I, you know, this is an opinion that's pretty controversial within iHeartRadio. I think radio should be illegal. Hmm. And I think it should be a felony punished by prison time for for being on the radio or having a radio. We're thinking about the radio. Yeah. I think the only form of entertainment that should be legal is specifically my podcast. Yeah. Yeah. One podcast and yes. Yeah. And and there should legally only be 1 Sopranos podcast allowed, which as it turns out is the case. So I think if we if we could get Chuck Schumer's ear, we can make this happen. We'll go tack this onto the pot bill. No one will notice, so doctor Oz has the Doctor Oz show. He's got a a radio show on Winfrey's SXM channel where he covers very scientific topics, like how God changes your brain and the happiest people in the world. Now. I found a New York Times article that was written. Just a few months into his tenure with his TV show, kind of at the start of his his burst into stardom. Hmm. And the interviewer who talked to Oz for this article seems as impressed as everyone always is by the manic, somewhat inhuman pace at which Mehmet Oz works. By this point, he'd also written six books with titles like you, the smart patient, you on a diet and you having a baby. It's like the series is the yeah, the famous you series: Whatever, right? And he he Co writes these books with another. Doctor, I can't tell you how much of the writing was a lot of times. I'm not saying this is the case with Doctor Oz because he's a wild workaholic, but a lot of times when you have a guy that's his kind of famous and they write a bunch of books, they write like 10% of the book and they have someone else, a co-author or a ghostwriter do the rest. I don't know if that's the case here. There's, I wouldn't be surprised, one Matt Damon who's writing most of goodwill hunting. And then there's a Ben Affleck who gets top booking. And I I do believe Matt Damon writes most of his books. Ohh, 100% yeah. So, uh, 9,000,000 copies of his various titles are in print by this point, like the first year of his show. So he is he is a very wealthy and successful man pretty much out the gate, like money machine. Getting the start on Oprah kind of guarantees it. Basically, if Oprah likes you enough to put you on her show more than once, you're going to get rich. *** ****. Yeah, I just. I just should have spent my my youth trying to get on Oprah. We all should have. We all should have. So Doctor Oz gets a semi regular column for Time magazine. Uh, because again, they they see this guy get famous and like, we gotta get some of that Oprah money too. We get this guy on time, people start reading time again. And yeah, it's interesting. They they give him a column. And in 2008, they included him on their list of the world's most 100 most influential people. So before they hire him to a call and they call him one of the world's most influential people, and as soon as he gets listed as one of the 100 most influential people on the planet, Doctor Oz calls his dad. Right? Like, finally this has got it now. Yeah, this is gonna be the thing. How could he not be impressed by this? Am I enough for you, Papa? So when he tells his dad. His dad 's first question is what number as in. How high are you on the list? And this is not a ranked thing. Like, it's not the top 100 like, going to one. It's just that these hundred people are all very influential. Not a listicle, but yeah, it's not a listicle. Like God. But Doctor Oz in this interview, seemed to acknowledge that the fact that his dad reacted that way said a lot about both, you know, his dad and about their relationship. He told an interviewer quote he wants to know what number? Are you kidding me? There are 6 billion people on the planet. It's a rounding error. Ohg God, but, but like, but like, what number, though? Because you do wonder, seriously, what? How high are you, ************? Yeah, come on, how important are you? You're basically me. Yeah, so that interviewer, along with the New York Times, wrote quote it's also the kind of thing that goes the sun to climb mountain after mountain, seldom pausing to enjoy the view. The good doctor did admit to engaging in a number of time saving measures. Over the years. He did numerous columns, which were often just recycled from other columns or chunks of his books. He provided the same list of skin moisturizing or metabolism boosting tips in different magazines or online articles. Even so, his workload was enormous. The Doctor Oz show was instantly one of the most popular shows on the planet, and Mehmet was contracted to record 175 hour long episodes per year, which is a ******* brutal work schedule on its own. And the man continued to practice as a surgeon, albeit at a reduced rate. The New York Times interviewer who visited him in 2010 seemed to find his behavior. And kind of his compulsive workaholism. Somewhat unsettling. Hmm? I never saw him without a portable larder of Baggies, plastic containers and thermoses of food and drink and all of it. Every crumb, every drop was healthful. Low fat Greek yogurt mixed with brightly coloured berries, spinach slaw, raw almonds, raw walnuts soaked in water to amplify their nutritional benefit. A dark green concoction of juices from vegetables, including, including cucumber and parsley, roughly every 45 to 60 minutes, as if on cue he would ingest. Something from his movable buffet, but only a little bit. His portions assiduously regulated like an intravenous, like an intravenous drip of nutrition. It was the most efficient, joyless eating I have ever seen. That is so weird. I'm sorry. That's so weird that it is so uncomfortable to just not too. He's cool, dude. Like, that's yeah, you know, he's living life in the in the most drab way possible. Just trying to just trying to make TV shows and do heart surgeries, you know? Yeah. Who has time to enjoy anything when your daddy. Playlist, efficient event eating. He's like, I don't eat or drink anything that I would enjoy. Yeah, you're welcome. That's just so unsettling. I mean, you know what? I, I have known a couple of people in my lives, all very skinny, who have told me, like, I just don't really like eating. Like, yeah, there's some foods that I prefer to others, but I just don't really enjoy it one way or the other. Like, I've, I've note like some of those people wound up on the Soylent thing and I guess, like, I mean, yeah, fine. It's like it's whatever, you know, it's your life. If you want your lucky food, eat monkey food. But don't, you know, be surprised when I judge you, you know? Yeah, like, it's a that's weird. At the start, the Doctor Oz Show was broadly inoffensive from a medical perspective. He gave a lot of fairly good common sense health advice, health advice, and provided a lot of people with a friendly medical face willing to explain things their doctors might not have the time or the bedside manner to properly lay out. But Ox's fascination with alternative medicine was present from the beginning, and as time went on, he veered more and more in that direction, following both the topics that. Consistently drew the most viewers and the topics that were easiest to put together. Because 175 hours of content a year is a lot. I mean, really, though, like at some point you run out of **** to talk about and you have to just be like, ohh pendulums over the heart. Do they work? You know? Yeah, yeah. Punching people in *** ****. Could it improve your bowels? Yeah, yeah, try it. I mean, you know, we we have to do, I don't know how much content we have to do per year, 52 weeks, 2 hours a week. Yeah, we we do. Like 110 maybe, like with some of the episodes that go over 120 hours of content year for this show. And that's a lot. Yeah. 175 hours of video content is huge. Like, you can't there's there's not that much good and also entertaining medical advice that you could give in a year, let alone every single year. I mean, just like there's only so many organs to talk about, you know, after a while you just gotta invent ****. Yeah. And it it's this thing, it's this kind of this inevitable churn of capitalism. Leading us all into this cut this specific kind of nonsense, because you can't not. Have content legally you're contracted to, but also you have this whole team of people whose ability to pay their rent, whose ability to to to afford their homes, to to keep their kids in school, is dependent upon you doing this show outside of just the fact that he's rich. Like, like he's fine, but he like, like, it's this thing you have to keep putting out the thing, and you will never have enough meaningful **** to put out to do it right. So you start, in his case, doing nonsense about mediums and **** and in our case, doing episodes. Doctor oz. When you run out of ******** eventually you just gotta find 1 on TV. We're not out of ********. But like last week, I spent 30 hours reading about the protocols of the Elders of Zion. I needed an off week, you know. God, we all need off weeks, that is. That is one of my favorite absolutely real documents to read. Umm, yeah, that's why we brought you on. Actually, yeah, I'm actually one of the elders of Zion and I got some protocols for you. Ohh, good times. So good times. For an example of the kind of nonsense creep, I guess you'd call it that. Like advanced. Upon his show. In March of 2012, Doctor Oz did a show titled Medium Versus Medicine. Ozzy's guest was a psychic who claimed she could communicate with the dead. This was one of several, and by this point probably dozens, of episodes dedicated to people who claim to talk to the dead. Energy healing was, you know, on the fringe, certainly. But at least it was something that when he started doing it, there were scientific studies saying there might be something to it. Those studies have since been to, to a large extent, discredited. But when he started doing that, there was some evidence it was a thing to try. You know, he wasn't completely out of left field. Yeah, people were at least testing it out. Episodes on mediums, talking to the dead is well outside of plausible deniability territory, right? Like you're just doing nonsense at this point. Yeah. I mean, you know, it depends how they're talk if you go up to a dead body and start talking. Do it. You are technically talking to the dead. Now that would be a fun show. Doctor Oz breaks into morgues and talks to corpses. Yeah. Hey, how'd you die? Just just just having his bodyguards Mace police officers rolling into a crime scene. Be like, who did this? Yeah. How did this go down? OK, hey, I am a doctor. Do you want some almonds? Soaked in water for more nutrition. Alright, someone gave me a crystal. So yeah, he had, yeah. Doctor Oz had among his psychic guests famous Grifter King John Edwards on his show. Not the politician, no, no. The talks to dead TV show guy, yeah. Yeah. And he praised the reading that he received from John Edwards, saying, quote, let me tell you what changed my life. I've learned in my career that there are times when science just hasn't caught up with things. And I think this may be one of them. Which is almost exactly what he said about John of God, the guy who raped hundreds of people. Umm, yeah. That's how you know, like to stay far away from anything when he's just like, man, this is a, this is a brand new, groundbreaking territory and you can go, alright guys, it's a ****** Ron. It is. It's one of those things. Part of how he's like the intelligent way to frame this is you start with the truth thing, which is there are things science can't explain. One of those things is the nature of consciousness and what happens to it after, you know, vital sciences, we don't know. There's not an objective. Answer to that. But it going this way is kind of like being like, yeah, you know, we can't explain, like the slit box experiment. Like there's a bunch of **** in physics. I don't know. I'm not a science guy, but like, you know, particle and wave **** you can't explain that. There's no **** you can't explain. Magnets. Yeah. How do they work? How do they work? It's this. It's this jump from. Yes, there are things we can't explain to. So let's listen to this, man. Talk to the dead. Like millions of people. Gather around, gather around, he's going to channel your dead on, yes? Maybe not. Not a reasonable way to take a reasonable starting point. Yeah, especially when you're a doctor on TV. Yeah, and I wanna quote from a write up I found in the Journal of the Missouri State Medical Association quote. During another show, Oz interviewed Dr Mosaraf Ali, a miracle here healer to Sylvester Stallone, Prince Charles of England, and others regarding his use of iridology. According to the widely debunked bizarre belief, each part of the iris corresponds to a specific. Area of the body and a person's state of health could be diagnosed by examining particular regions of the iris after expressing his amazement at Doctor Aldi's diagnostic abilities as stated. I want to applaud Dr Mosaraf Ali because these are ancient traditions and they have been around for centuries. So who am I to dismiss them? Other than a very well educated man? A doctor? You're a doctor, Mehmet? You had me at French, Charles? Yeah. It's like, you know, there's a lot of cultures who say that. We should, uh, remove the ******** surgically because it's it's it's it's healthier and it stops dangerous ************. It's ancient. Who are we to say this is a bad idea? Who are any of us to say anything's wrong? Yeah. Oh my God, I love it too. Just like. Yeah. I was amazed by his ability to look into my eyes and diagnose that my dad will never love me. How did he know? How did he know? It does bring me joy that Prince Charles got ****** with. Cause **** Prince Charles. I wonder what his eyes. It's funny, he said the same thing. It's like your dad will never love you. That's all he does is he goes to famous people and he goes, your dad will never love you. Your dad will never love you so much. It it there's this. One of the big aspects of this guy's success and of the success of the things he pushes is is Orientalism. Right, right. Like this idea of, like, the forbidden and strange and wondrous and magical east and all of the yeah, we don't understand all of these. Like, Ohh, India is so mysterious. Yadda yadda yadda. What if you were to say like, well, for centuries, tobacco companies have said that tobacco can cure, like, different lung ailments? Who are we to dismiss these ancient traditions? Yeah, becuz zone could be real, exactly like it stops people from stuttering. Do more cocaine. I mean, yeah, just the idea. And I've always found this in general to be the biggest load of ********* is when people have have said, you know, this is like an ancient healing technique. And it's like, you mean like bleeding people with leeches, you know? You mean like cutting off someone's leg because he got a ******* a small infection on his toe? Ancient. It's this ******* thing with Doctor Oz, like. It's one thing if you're just like traveling to another part of the world, you see some sort of medical or treatment you've never seen before. And you're like, well, who am I? Who am I to say anything about, right? Like, I don't know. Doctor Oz is a doctor on TV talking to millions. You're literally the person who should be saying something about the legitimacy of this, right? Yeah. Yeah. The you're you're the guy. You're the person you are, in fact, the person who should say something about. Who am I? You are you. Yeah. The most famous doctor in America. Yeah. And that's what that that write up in the Journal of Missouri State Medical Association notes. Quote who doctor Oz is a trained clinician and scientist, someone who can read a scientific article with a critical eye. He is someone who can filter out the noise of the placebo effect or discern the simple carnival tricks of a charlatan. The problem is that most people in his audience cannot. Yeah, yeah. 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So obviously, the fact that doctor Oz, I mean probably the fact that most of his audience couldn't discern whether or not any of these nonsense treatments were real is a big part of why the Doctor Oz show became an overnight success. Yeah, before very long it was being watched by 4,000,000 viewers every single day. She over the next half decade or so, he won two Emmys. His guest list included First Lady Michelle Obama, who loved Doctor Oz for his focus on healthy diets for children, and in general, his crusade to get Americans to lose weight. Doctor Oz claimed through medicine that through math that I cannot verify that his show inspired Americans to lose 3,000,000 cumulative pounds per year. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. They based that on what? Like the did people call in to say how many pounds they've lost to the show? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he found some way to, like, make the claim or whatever, but it's it's very, it's. I don't know, maybe it is. One of the things that he does that is we'll talk about. There's problems with some of the diet tips he gives people, actually significant ones. Hmm. But telling, like inspiring people to lose weight is not usually bad for their health, although it can be. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes people take it too far and it depends. Significant health problems, you know, it's a mixed bag. I guess we'd say, yeah, but the other stuff isn't a mixed bag, so I guess we'll call that his his great success, so. Yeah, it is good. I will say it is unequivocally good that doctor Oz continually pressed his audience of millions of people to eat more fruits and vegetables. Fruits and vegetables, to get better sleep, to exercise regularly and to get their flu vaccinations. That's all rat, right? Yeah, but **** I could have told you that. Give me a yeah. You know, you don't have to, you don't have to be a doctor to say that. You know that. ****. Yeah. Eat better piggies, I mean, but he's charismatic. People like him. It's good that he he does that, at least. Yeah. They don't trust me, so they won't give me the show. They should because, yeah, the unfortunate part is that this guy gained because he's he's handsome. A lot of lot of, a lot of ladies out there think Doctor Oz is hot. He's a dog, he's he's very charismatic, he's very charming, and he gains this enormous influence with Middle America and he uses that influence to do some really ******* questionable ****. And I'm gonna quote now from a write up in the AMA Journal of Ethics. He has told mothers that there were dangerous levels of arsenic in their child's apple juice. There weren't, and suggested that green coffee is a miracle cure for obesity. Federal regulators discovered altered data in hyped coffee bean evidence. The Food and Drug Administration tested for arsenic in apple juice and found the vast majority of apple juice tested contained to contain low levels of arsenic and given these levels, was confident in the overall safety of apple juice consumed in this country. Dr Oz also featured 2 guests on his show who claimed that genetically modified. Needs were cancer causing despite repeated safety reports that found no adverse effects. Man. Yeah. I mean, he's like he's very he's getting there like, I I'm, I'm watching him slowly go from memet to mangola, you know, like he's. Come on, let him be manual. It is too good a pun to to. I guess that you wanna be fair, Robert, but let's go for it. Alright, we're we're doing. But no, we're watching it like turn into a snake oil salesman and it's it's very exciting. Yeah. So doctor Oz's enthusiasm for alternative medicine has had the effect of creating instant fads over any health product. He even vaguely suggests on his show, when he mentions the purported health benefits of white Mulberry, red palm oil, or brown seaweed, all of which, he's claimed, can do things like cut weight, reduce aging, or beat the flu. Those products fly off the shelf. Ozzy often doesn't endorse specific brands, but he doesn't need to. Online retailers watch closely and immediately slap as seen on Doctor Oz. Yeah, you know, scientific product. Yes, I've seen this. Yeah, I've seen this. This is where we get to the big harm he did. One episode that focused on so-called relaxation drinks and included a close-up shot of five cans of beverages he said might help calm you down. Just a Miller high life. Yeah. He just puts a can of Colt 45 on the table. Yeah, yeah, Billy Dee Williams walks out. It's a steel reserve. Trust me, you'll be relaxed. You'll be calm as ****. Exactly. You might yell at your mom, but it'll be fun afterwards. Yeah, yeah, you will very calmly put your hand through a taxi cab window. As soon as the episode aired, a quote liquid sleep aid called Ichill bragged on their website, Doctor Oz is talking about a new way to wind down with relaxation drinks. They are the newest trend in helping you relax and calm down, and the best news is they contain natural ingredients already known to promote relaxation. Mulberry lagnam. Yeah, I remember the eye chill that turned into, like, an entire thing. There's so many. Yeah, we're about to, we're about to talk about it. Yeah. And and also if there was a lot in them drink, I would be buying it. Yeah. So the problem with all with this is that all of these different relaxation drinks are filled with a variety of chemicals like melatonin and theanine and taurine. These drinks are unregulated as they are not medicines or dietary supplements, but the chemicals they include all have actual impacts on the central nervous system. Pregnant women and children are often advised to avoid products with some of these chemicals, but the beverages and questioned rarely. Without this, no data exists on how these chemicals might impact people and the quantities they are added to in these beverages. Or when combined with other chemicals, or when combined with medications, people drinking them might be taking responsible. Doctors writing for the Journal for the journal Nature Neuroscience wrote a warning about these beverages that specifically called out ichill by name quote existing research on the potential benefits and harms of some components of relaxation drinks suggests that they may not always be safe. Indeed, the FDA issued a warning last year. The manufacturers of melatonin laced brownies, citing safety concerns from the literature, including effects on the autonomic nervous system and visual system and increased expression of symptoms in a sleep disorder. Other components of relaxation drinks such as El theanine or amino acids such as taurine, may be considered safer, consumption only at some doses by the FDA. But relaxation drinks are not subject to such regulations, nor are they required to disclose the amounts of their ingredients. Oh my God, I mean first of all, did you say? Melatonin brownies. Yeah, buddy. What the ****? Like, I wanna eat and just get tired immediately. Like, that is very strange. It like, here's the thing about brownies. I've never eaten one and been like, I just wanna relax. Like, no, I'm trying to get a little sugar rush, to be honest. To be honest. A sleepy time brownie. Delightful. I would be very down. Listen, pot brownies are very different. It's not. It's not the same as relaxation. Like one is like an Ambien. County, and the other one is like a a brownie that makes you hungry for more brownies. Pot brownies make sense. Ambient brownies exist. I would love one, thank you very much. I mean, I guess I'd rather do that than just swallow an Ambien, but, man, that is. I'm like, I'm like, gets to sleep and also got a brownie. I'm. Sounds awesome. It's bad for your health, I'll tell you that much, apparently. Am I remembering this correctly, Robert? But wasn't the eye show like, like the bottle and the marketing? Like, similar? Yeah. Style to like an energy drink similar to like a 5 hour energy that was like, the aesthetic. No, no, no. I think those were, those were. They had like a weird different shaped plastic bottle, but like the the problem is that again, #1, you've got a lot of people with like who are on medications that this should interacts with and which is crazy that like literally a relaxation drink could be contraindicated for your prescription medication. OK, so everything doctor Oz recommends, I guess outside of like death psychics comes with this caveat. Some of the herbs and natural medicines that he recommends do have health impacts, but they also have consequences medications they might not interact well with. Doctor Oz does not bring this up when he shotguns **** ***** advice out to an audience of 1,000,000. That article in Nature Neuroscience that I referenced warning about the relaxation drinks OZ recommended. It's been read 10,000 times so the article warning people that these things could be contraindicated and might have impacts on your health and your central nervous system red 10,000. Times Doctor Oz's episode suggesting these drinks listen watched 4,000,000 times. *** ****. Yeah, people started to notice that this was a problem. By the mid aughts, doctors had been complaining for a while, but in 2013, Forbes wrote a listicle laying out the silliest things Doctor Oz has suggested on his show, including the fact that having 200 orgasms a year would extend your life by 6 years. Here's how he explained that bit of math on his website. Dude, I'm about to live to 200 years old. Yeah, dying never die in ************. I never died. I get one out at least once. A dirt. 365 here's his website. If you have more than 200 orgasms a year, you can reduce your physiologic age by 6 years. Doctor Oz says he bases the number on a study done at Duke University that surveyed people on the amount and quality of sex they had. They looked at what happened to folks that are receiving a lot of intercourse over time. And the fact is it correlated. OK, wait, wait, wait, wait. But do you is it sex? Because he didn't say nothing about sex, he said orgasms. And I do that on my own. I know he talked, he talked to him about this, the amount and quality of sex they had. But, like, it's correlated. So again, he's basically lying here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You you #1 what is the possibility that people who are having a lot of good sex are in better health? And that's why they're able to have a lot more good sex because they're like, they're physically healthy and so it's easier for them to like. Yeah. What have what are the odds that, like, if you're having more sex, you're more social, you're more likely to have a long term romantic partner? That increases your lifespan. Yeah. Again, I'm of all people, never gonna be the guy to say there's not health benefits to sex. There sure is. Oht. Yeah. Doctor Oz is is is exaggerating this he he's he's taking an actual study that showed some interesting stuff, and he's turning it into a lie. Yeah. He's turning it into to like, pretending he has quantifiable data and that like, correlation. And correlation is causation like that. Yeah, that's that's what he's trying to do. Yeah, there there is data. That suggests that regular intercourse reduces men's mortality risks by 50%, which doesn't mean that ******* stops men from dying, particularly because it's men who benefit in this way. It means that men are less healthy than women, tend to die faster, and when men have partners that they live with, they are more likely to have a medical problem noticed. If they have a heart attack, someone's going to be there to call the like. There's a lot of reasons why this is the case. Yeah. They're not dying alone, you know? Yeah. It's not the fact that just ******* magically adds. Like reduces your age by 6 years if you do it enough. Like that's nonsense. It's nice to think it, though. It makes it is nice to think it. I'm going to point out that article, show it to my girlfriend, and say, hey, you gotta help me live longer, you know? Not coming enough. I'm gonna die. We gotta do this more. Yeah, just start ******* in public. And when the cops come, be like, this is medicine. Yeah, it's like, do you want me to die six years earlier than I? Should I have a right to this? Exactly. Doctor Oz said I should **** more. Now, on its own, recommending that people get more sexes is, you know, fine, I'm, I'm very pro sex, but I am anti encouraging people to misunderstand Health Science. The nature of doctor Oz's audience and the sheer breadth of things he suggests makes it difficult to analyze the total health impact of his show. But there are some dire case studies. As Vox notes in their write up quote, there's the case of a man who followed as a suggestion of curing insomnia by pouring uncooked rice into socks, heating them in a microwave, and wearing them to bed. The man. That second and third degree burns on his feet. And he the reason he got burned is because he was diabetic. He didn't have the same level of feeling in his feet. Oh my God, if he had gone to a doctor and said, hey, I heard about this thing that might help with insomnia, the doctor would say, well, you're diabetic, you don't have as much feeling in your feet. I'm worried you might cause burn yourself. Doctor Oz is just saying, hey, this will help you sleep. Do it whoever you are. Yeah, again, it's probably, it's like you're talking to 4 million people. It will be bad advice for some of them. I mean it's like, yeah, this all feels. Very much like. When Trump was telling everyone about the wonders of hydro hydroxychloroquine hydroxy kind of talk about that later. And then people are eating ******* fish food or like fish tank cleaner and dying and people like, how could how could people be so stupid? And it's like, people are stupid. You you can't tell them to eat the ******* fishbowl cleaner. Yeah, they'll do it. They'll ******* do it. So this guy sued, but the case was thrown out because the judge determined that Ozz could not establish the physician. Patient relationship through TV. I agree with the judge that's my problem with his show is that he is a physician purporting to be giving medical advice, but is also not taking anyone's individual circumstances into account. And more to the ******* point, not liable if he does any of the irresponsible things that would lend a physician doing their job traditionally in trouble. I mean, it is medical malpractice whether or not he's legally liable for it or not. I I would agree, yeah, and I'm gonna continue that quote from Vox. Not everyone agrees with the judge's reasoning. Rochester, NY medical student and Blogger Benjamin Mazer has been publishing anonymous stories sent to him from health professionals about the impact Oz has had on patient care. One reported that her dad had a heart attack and five stents placed in his heart, which required him to take aspirin and Plavix to prevent blood clots. He was watching doctor Oz. Said Plavix was not necessary, so he stopped taking it. About a month later, he had another massive heart attack and coded and had to be shocked. Back to life, she continued. My dad admitted to following Doctor Oz's advice and not asking his own cardiologist. Man, yeah, that is, that's really bad. Did he have a did he have, like an alternative or was he just like decided one day that Plavix is gonna be sure it was? If I know my doctor, Oz, I'm sure it was. You don't need to take Plavix. Eat these different heart healthy foods and avoid these foods and that'll do all that Plavix will do. Yeah. Yeah. Eat some beans and put your face in some boiled water and you should be fine. I I suspect it was dietary advice that if you're someone who doesn't really need Plavix is fine or might even help you. Do not need it later in life if you adopt healthier habits. But the problem is, again, the way he's framing it, there's gonna be a lot of people who are like, just had stents placed in the heart. I don't need Plavix *******. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Doctor Oz the the the TV. Doctor said I don't need this medicine. I just need more assai in my belly. Yeah, the TV doctor also said he can talk to ghosts. So I'm gonna go talk to. I mean, you will be talking to ghosts faster if you follow all of doctor advice. I wanna talk to ghosts. I'm gonna stop taking my Plavix and diva. True. Now, on his show, Doctor Oz claims that the trust of his audience is the entire reason for his relevance. Quote the currency that ideal in his trust. And it is trust that has been given to me by an audience that has watched over 600 shows. He repeatedly references the fact that he is responding to the very real and very understandable unfilled needs of Americans who feel alienated from modern healthcare, which is an expensive and often inhumane labyrinthine bureaucracy. True is true. Yeah, absolutely, 100%. True, yeah. How you exploit it is a very different thing. But the thing he is replacing it with is, by and large, nonsense. And I'm gonna quote from that right up in the Journal of Ethics again. When it comes to epistemic boundaries, Dr Oz admits he applies different standards of evidence compared to those accepted in the medical establishment. When challenged by a reporter for The New Yorker about his questionable evidentiary standards, he replied that all data could be differentially interpreted. You find the arguments that support your data, he said. And it's my fact versus your fact. It's not that he doesn't offer data. It's common for doctor Oz to offer some plausible mechanism from test tube experiments conducted by manufacturers, combined with personal anecdotes from his own or consumers experience to support the products he's promoting. A study of 80 recommendations made on the Doctor Oz show in early 2013 found that published evidence supported 46% of recommendations, contradicted 15%, and did not support 39%. Gotta love a good like coin flip on whether or not he's. The ******* lying to you. And, yeah, having an adverse effect on your health. If your doctor said, hey, you know, 46% of the time I give pretty good advice, yeah, you would be like, I think I'm gonna get another doctor. But he would reframe it would be like, I'm back in 500 here and be like 500. That's a good betting if you assume medicine is like baseball. I'm a great doctor. No, he's squashing it. Yeah, he's doing a great job. Now, to his credit, the journal does note that a decent chunk of the blame for Doctor Oz's success. Lies in the very, very flawed state of mainstream medical science quote we settle for incomplete, selectively published data in journals heavily subsidized by pharmaceutical companies, and for outcomes that don't give firm answers. While not on par without offering anecdotes as evidence, the fact that debates persist about what constitutes sufficiently high, unbiased, quality evidence to support decisions in the profession as a whole creates a wedge that doctor Oz seems to exploit. Hmm, so again, this is the Journal of Ethics. Like the fact that you can pay to get a study done, the fact that we pharmaceutical companies lobby to allow them to market things in dishonest ways. The fact that doctors are bribed by companies like Purdue Pharmaceutical with vacations, yeah, recommend people take medication that is not in their best interest to take. That's why this ************ has a job. And the fact that Healthcare is expensive, right? The fact that we don't have single payer healthcare, it all combines to the fact that a lot of people who are not idiots. I'm not saying his. You could be. I'm sure there's people who are brilliant electricians, who ******* are brilliant at whatever, who are great at whatever it is they do. But they're not ******* doctors, cause most of us aren't. And it's hard to get. I am very fortunate in that I have a couple of good friends who are doctors and I am luckier than I can. One of them is a guy who was on the show recently, Cavada. I'm luckier than I can, that I can say, to be able to like every now and then send them a message being like, hey, what should I do here? You know, it's a question of. I'm having this problem. I don't know what kind of doctor to see to like get this dealt with. I don't know whose job this is and I don't wanna like. My my ex a while ago had a non cancerous brain tumor and it was a ******* nightmare figuring out. It took a series of different doctors and tests to figure out what kind of doctor she needed to go to to get the medication that would help. And it's of course people are like, well, this guy is explaining things and he's nice and he's saying that I have the power to deal with this, right? Change my diet if I do this. If I do that, he's giving us alternatives to dealing with the bureaucracy of medical institutions in this country, which I I have a. Kaiser and I, I had to go to a rheumatologist and I tried to get a hold of him on the phone and they sent me through six different call centers to finally get to his specific office. And then I asked the Lady, Ohh, can I get the extension so that I don't have to deal with that? And she's like, oh, sorry, we're not allowed to do that. And so now, now I'm just recording every phone call and just, you know, freestyling to the hold music because it's the only thing I can do. I'm like, you know what? Might as well turn this into content, because this is ******* ridiculous, you know? There's like the the amount of ******** you have to go through makes people like Doctor Oz feel like a good alternative, you know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it's. It ******* sucks. It does. It's just really ******* sucks. 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Recent research has recent research has suggested that long term use of green coffee extract causes bone density loss in animals. But you are, in fairness. You're losing weight. Your bones are lighter. That's weight. Bones are heavy as hell. It was. It was everywhere when that came out. It was that literally. Not just like. It's not like bed bath and beyond, everywhere it was. Get light bones. You can fly like a bird. Hmm. And again, those are studies in animals. But it's the kind of thing where a responsible doctor would say, well, some studies and animals have shown that this might call bone cause bone density loss. So unless you know your weight is a really disastrous health situation and your bone density is fine, I wouldn't recommend this. Doctor Oz is just saying it's a magical weight loss here. I mean, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah. Oz called Raspberry ketone. Quote the number one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat. This is a fun one. First of all, it's all gasoline. Part of why people well actually part of why, part of why people are attracted to stuff like this is that like Raspberry ketone. That's natural. It sounds like. Ohh, if I just like getting raspberries, that's gonna help me lose weight. This chemical in a natural healthy fruit. Of course it makes sense that like some wonderful plant based medicine would be able to help me lose weight. Yeah, Raspberry ketones don't come from raspberries. They can. But it takes 90 pounds of fresh raspberries to produce a single dose. As a result, they are manufactured synthetically, a fact doctor Oz did not feel the need to explain. Because, again, he's really critical of GMO's, and it might seem hypocritical to note that Raspberry ketones are actually synthetic lab nonsense. I love when people say things like, it's it's natural. It's like, it's. I think cyanide is natural. There's like a there's a lot of, like, natural poisons out there. It's ******* snake venom is natural. The ******* arsenic in the apple juice that he's worried about is natural. Yeah, it is possible, based on animal studies, that these ketones may have some ability to reduce or slow weight gain. But no studies have ever been conducted on how Raspberry ketones impact human beings. There have been reports that they increase blood pressure and heart rate in humans. Doctor Oz does not warn about this. Likewise, when doctor Oz told his viewers that Garcinia Cambogia may be the simple solution, you have been looking forward to bust your body fat for good. He did not also warn them that it can interact negatively with diabetes medications, painkillers and psychiatric medications. Oh my God, why would you need to warn people that? Yeah, look, what are the odds someone looking to lose weight has diabetes medications? Zero what are the odds that someone who has diabetes is sitting around watching Doctor Oz's show? Zero what are the odds that a middle class American is addicted to painkillers 00? During the Senate inquiry, Senator McCaskill pointed some of this out, and she told Doctor Oz, quote when you feature a product on your show, it creates what has become known as the Doctor Oz effect, dramatically boosting sales and driving scam artists to pop up overnight using false and deceptive ads to sell questionable products. Hmm, yeah. In the wake of this, which was a fairly bad day on Capitol Hill for him, doctor Oz released a somewhat contrite statement where he noted I took part in today's hearing because I am accountable for my role in the proliferation of these scams. And I recognize that my enthusiastic language has made the problem worse at times. We're good so far. Yeah, not bad. Pretty good so far, Oz added in his statement. To not have the conversation about supplements at all, however, would be a disservice to the viewer. In addition to exercising an abundance of caution and discussing promising research and products in the future, I look forward to working with all those present today and finding a way to deal with the problems of weight loss scams. God, I yeah, it's just amazing. I'm just talking about. I'm just asking the question. We have to have conversations about this. You know, the conversation would be noting, for example, green coffee extract causes bone density loss in animals and perhaps be worse. Yeah, that's a conversation. Well, you and I have had about these things as a conversation. Yeah. Yeah. I love people. Like, I'm just asking the question. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm a guy who's addicted to an unregulated plant. Oh my God, which I just took more of while standing next to my unregulated gun. Yeah, dude, you're living the unregulated dream right now. So doctor Oz, also making this statement, pointed out that he believed the greatest disservice he done to his audience was to not recommend specific products which had provided room for a wide industry of shysters to stick his name on their website. So, like, Ohh I was just saying green coffee extract and a bunch of companies I couldn't verify started selling it with my name on it. I should have recommended a specific brand. Yeah, I I what I need to do is cut deals with specific companies so that you can. Only be taking their bone density loss drugs? Yeah, I mean, exactly. Good call. ******* amazing, yeah. So in the wake of this day on Capitol Hill and this amazing response, physicians across the country asked Columbia University in the letter. Basically, what the ****? Why is this guy still on your faculty? Columbia claimed it was because of their commitment to, quote the principle of academic freedom and to upholding faculty members freedom of expression for statements they make in public discussion. It's a hell. Yeah, dude. There. Yeah, that's like, ******* around. Yeah, they're like, auntie cancel culture letter, you know, they're just like, stop trying to cancel doctor Oz. It's freedom of speech. You have freedom of speech? Yeah. God. I mean, doctors also are held to different standards than the rest of us. They take an oath. Come on. If, like, your Uncle Jimbo says, hey, you know, take some green coffee extract. It'll help you lose weight. Yeah, nothing wrong with that. It might not be good advice, but yeah, that's just a guy. Say anything. Doctors are held to a different standard. Yeah, it's on you. If you listen to your crazy Uncle Jimbo, it is definitely on the doctor. If he recommends you lose some bone density so that you look better in that dress. Hmm. It's it's it's awesome. Yeah. So on April 15th, 2015, ten prominent physicians sent a letter to Columbia University calling Ozzy's faculty position there unacceptable and citing his quote egregious. Lack of integrity, the only change wrought by the congressional inquiry, and the flood of condemnation from the medical community seems to be that doctor Oz started endorsing specific supplements and pseudo medicines. God, he's Alex Jones. Thing it, he's jonesing it hard. He's so much smarter than Alex, though. Yeah, you focus it just on the health. None of this nonsense like political ****. Everybody's gonna love you and you'll make way more money. Umm, yeah. A 2018 analysis of his show by the Health News Review found quote in the Doctor Oz Show, 13 out of 1968.4% shows had ads relating to general show content, 57.9% had specific products mentioned by the host using their commercial name, and 36.3% of shows mentioning products by name. Named more than one product to and also found that 78% of the medical statements made on the Doctor Oz show did not align with quote evidence based medical guidelines. So if those guidelines matter, they'd make more money. Dog half a decade earlier, 46% of his statements are more or less fine. Hmm. Now it's down to what? Jesus 22% wow. So we're seeing again he matched the quality of the. Because, again, you're running out of good content. You only have so much good medical advice you can give when you're doing an hour a day, 175 * a year for ******* 1516 years eat fruit. Exactly. The actual amount of things that an average person can reasonably do to improve their own physical health doesn't really take that long to explain to you. You know, it's pretty simple stuff, and most of us know a lot of it already. We know when we're. I know that pounding kratom and Coke 0 isn't a wise healthcare. Sish it. No, no, but you know it and you can, you know, *******. You don't need a doctor Oz to tell you that, you know. You just know. You know. Just know that the fact that I bought the $100 entire smoked leg of of of pig from Costco, the giant prosciutto lake that you can cut. Well, I know, I know. Buying that and not also purchasing, I don't know, salad in order to have sufficient firefighter Hale. I recognize that was the poor health decision. Yeah, no one tricked me about this. And and no point that I think this $100 worth of smoked ham is a solid health care move. You know, smoke. What could be so bad with smoked? It's good for my Q zone traditional medicine. Yeah, this is really good. For all of my kidney meridians. I need all the smoked hams. Like my meridians are ******* rocking, right? Yeah, peeking in meridians, bro, let me ******* tell you, my meridians are as hard as a *** **** rock. Feel my kidneys, feel my kidneys. It's just like, why is your kidneys swollen? The Doctor Oz show is still on the air. In 2018, President Trump appointed Dr Oz to a council on Sports, Fitness and nutrition as part of the Department of Health and Human Services. He's still on that council under Joe Biden. Bipartisan, baby, two years later. Ohh no politician is dumb enough to wanna **** *** doctor Oz. You're never gonna hear Joe Biden throw it. Well, except for except for Claire McCaskill. God bless. Yeah, like she's the only one who had the guts to stand up to doctor Oz. I think other people did. I'm not an expert on what went down in that congressional thing, but she was seems to be the main one who was really angry at him. Which good on you, Claire. I love that a bipartisan decision is just like, let's share this grifter. You know, between administrations like good, you know, got all agree that you should be able to lie about health care as an MD. Like that's that's so 2018 is when he gets appointed to this Council. Two years later, during the COVID-19 pandemic, he and he endorsed Hydroxychloroquine. Later that year, he endorsed reopening schools, saying, I tell you, schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost US 2 to 3%. In terms of total mortality, what the ****? I said study 3% of the crowd. That's barely anybody dying. That's barely hundreds of thousands of deaths. He said 2 to 3% as if that's not a huge number of people. He's losing his ******* mind, and it's one of those things not making a point prayer against gun control either way. But if somebody against gun control said what? Keeping these things legal is only gonna cost us 1% of the country, you'd be like, you're a ******* maniac. You are a dangerous person, man. But he's like, we gotta and and he didn't. Yeah, this outraged a lot of people in Oz apologized as he apologized for vaccine hydroxychloroquine yeah, he oopsy Daisy did he? He claimed to regret that his comments had confused and upset people and basically pointed out The Lancet wasn't saying 2 to 3% of the country was going to die. It was, I think, more like 2.3% of like people cruise or something like would get sick and like it. It was he he, but the way he phrased it. Because it's only gonna cost us two for 3% of the country. Yeah. Oops. I don't care what the actual study. Again, I don't care what the study is. I care what you said to your audience of millions. And also I care about the fact that in any case, that's. ******* evil. Yeah, like that's an evil thing to say. Yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty wild to just look at 2 to 3% of the country as like, expendable. If it means that my ******* dirtbag *** 5th grader can be stuck inside in a school all day. And listen, I get it. People with kids, they want their kids to go back to school, but you, you that's you. You don't say the quiet part out loud. You know, it's one thing to say, hey, look, living in a society, there's all kinds of of. Of cost, benefit sort of analysis. Sure. We have to do like, right. Cars improve a lot of efficiencies in certain ways, and people like have them, they're also gonna cost X many lives. You know, we could change these sorts of laws, but it would it would lead to this sort of problem. You know, we have certain freedoms that may cost lives and like, right, to be like that, that's just living in a society. Right. There's no way our society is not angled around absolutely more reducing mortality in every way. Yeah. And there's a cost to not having these schools. But, and it's a very real cost. And like, we have to like, that's a way to say that. I'm not saying that's the argument I'm making, cause I'm not. I'm thinking, no, no, I don't think we should open schools out until we actually have, I don't know, like 80% of the ******* country vaccinated or whatever. Yeah, but but that's a way you could that's a way you could make that argument and not sound like a jibbering sociopath. And it's weird to like, you know, be like, alright, it was a poor choice of words. And it's like, yeah, bro, at this point, saying words out loud to millions of people is your job. Yeah, you're choosing to do the job. You could never work another day in your life and you would never you, you. You're rich. You you don't need to do this. You're choosing to. So go **** yourself with that explanation. ******* fix some hearts already. Stop talking. We're getting to that. So today, Doctor Oz works to continue to monetize his brand with his wife and business partner. We also writes books with his daughter. Seems to be getting it on the grift too, with books like the dorm room diet, which she wrote when she was in college. I think these were diet. It's just free pizza and ****. The dorm room diet. Hey, you know if you pour coffee into instant ramen? So two persons breakfast. I've done that, by the way. Now we've all been there, kind of proud of it. It's really good if you add in vodka. He is worth 10s of millions of dollars and is not in any danger of being worthless anytime soon. We've talked a lot about the harms of his specific recommendations and the disinformation he spreads, but at the end of this all, I keep coming back to that 2010 New York Times article. Specifically, it's in when I think about what may be his worst crime against medicine quote. On the stairs at Columbia Presbyterian, apropos of nothing, he began talking about certain Japanese, Sardinian, and Costa Rican populations that live unusually long, and said that their shared trait was activity, activity activity. His first column for Time magazine, Living Long and living well, ran in a section called How to Live 100 years. At another point in his Rockefeller Center office, he said that so many people thrill on being to being on television because, quote, there's an element of eternity to it. You are storing you. You are taking your life force for that brief moment when you're on camera, and you're storing that for all eternity, which makes you someone who will never truly die. That is a ******* bonkers way of looking at being on TV. **** that is out of it's *** **** mind. Yes, he's literally one year away from wanting to be buried with his cats, you know, like this dude wants some pyramids and some live cats in a casket with him. This is he's a pharaoh. Yeah, I'm going to continue the quote. And he described his own investment in television by saying I've always felt that when I looked at my tombstone. It shouldn't say memet. Aaz banged out 10,000 open heart operations. I've probably done 5000. AM I any better at it than 10,000? He shook his head. It's just a different number on the tombstone. No, it's not. It's 5000. Other people whose lives you extended. Actual human. Those are human beings. It's not about like your how better it you're already great at it. It's about saving additional lives. My God. That it's that's wild. One of the he has dramatically. He still does perform surgery, I think sometimes. He certainly was in the late aughts because he's a doctor. He just doesn't do nearly as much. He used to do a lot more, and he's he's cut it by more than half the amount of actual heart. And it's the one thing he's good at. I mean, I almost it is. He's amazing. Yeah. So one of the things that I should note here is that right now, even with the assumption that every available training position for cardiothoracic surgeons is filled. We are looking at a projected shortage of 1500 cardiothoracic surgeons or 25% of the workforce by twenty 2540 years back. There is a desperate need for the thing that he's definitely one of the best in the world at a tremendous and terrible need for it. And he has stopped doing that in order to give people bad medical advice that will hurt some of them on TV. And damn, I'm gonna be really clear here. I am not saying that just because you become a cardiothoracic surgeon. Have to do that until the day you drop. You don't. You can quit. I you can. And and that's not immoral. It's not evil to be like. I've done enough. A good friend of mine was a cardiologist for 30 something years and quit to travel around the world as a photojournalist. And I don't think there's anything immoral. You do not owe the world. Yeah. Doing just because it's valuable and there are enough people doing it forever. I am not. And you don't you don't have to quit to do some other valuable job. You can just quit to enjoy your life with your family. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but he didn't quit to be with his family. He quit to give people bad health advice that he quit to do crimes. Yeah, he is. He is doing something that should be illegal instead of performing an additional 5000 life saving surgeries, right? Yeah, that's evil. Yeah, no, that that that is bad. That is that is definitely immoral to to like have the ability, it's like being Superman and having the ability to save someone from a burning building. But being like, **** dude, I'm kind of on my way to do this TV interview. That's gonna get me more instead, but I'm gonna sell people pills instead. Lex Luther can suck it, you know, I got pills to move and yeah, the way that he phrases that is incredibly telling, right? Like it shouldn't say Memet Ozz banged at 10,000 open heart operations. Am I any better at it than 10,000? It's like, that's not I I care that you get better at it to the extent that it improves patient outcome. But like, I don't care. Like the the thing that's good about performing 10,000 open heart operations is presumably somewhere near 10,000 people have had their lives. Extended because. Right. Yeah. And that's amazing. That's 10s of thousands of cumulative, cumulative years, yeah. Added to the lives of people who are loved and who do things themselves, who who do and like, who have their own ways of contributing to society, who have children. Like, it's such a sick way of looking at you, really, because it's it's like, I'm already really good at it. So I decided I wanna go get into TV now. It's like, it's like if he if he'd been like, I I, I, you know, I did my car, I, I performed 5000. Series. Now I wanna become an actor. Like, fine. You have that right. Absolutely. I'm never gonna say that. I mean, it depends on the movie, but yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. If you're in Michael Bay movies, we might have another talk, like. Exactly. Yeah. But that's again. What? It's not that he's decided he wanted to go into TV. It's not that he decided to go into an entertainment. It's that he decided to do a job. To go from doing a job where he was unequivocally saving lives to doing a job where he often gives people advice that could shorten or at least reduce the quality of their life. I mean, I guess he got tired of helping people. And was like, you know, time to make some ******* bank. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's not just make some bank, but he's like, man, I saved 10,000 lives. I'm gonna have to kill 10,000 just to ******* net neutral this **** you know? Yeah, you know, he's just trying to, he's trying to balance the scales of his good and evil. It's so ******* frustrating. I really dislike this man. Yeah. He's so handsome, though, dude. I mean, very handsome. He's very handsome. He made a lot of money, so that's good, that is. And you know, he's, he's he's out there every day, given, given hope to people who are currently dying of a very, very treatable ailment and saying, Nah, dog, put your feet in some hot rice and put your feet in some hot rice and see what happens, dude, just see what happens. You know? Like someone's gotta be doing that job. It's this ******* thing, part of the Doctor Oz problem and the part of it that that he he is. He is leaning into. But it's not his fault is this thing that's a broader problem that I've gotten trapped in that a lot of that everyone is a public figure is at risk of getting trapped in. Hmm. Which is the fact that if you're good at something and also have some measure of fame or popularity, you you start to think you can extend your skills to everything. I was in the gym the other day, since I'm in Texas with my family and since I'm vaccinated and, you know, everyone wears a mask. But I've been going to a gym. Yeah, and my family's vaccinated. It's the thing we get to do now. OK yeah. You're allowed. Yeah. I've been going to a gym, and the gyms have, like, news programs on. Right. And I saw Doctor Oz on, and it was doctor Oz. True crime because I guess doctor Oz has added a true crime thing where he's, like, talking about this woman who murdered her kids and interviewing, like, the ex-wife of the husband of the woman who murdered her kids and, like, doing things like, you don't have any. Why are you doing this? Like, yeah, because because it's popular with the same people who like your show and why? Why? Like, why not? Why not stick your hand into this thing that is is is deeply painful for a lot of people and make money off of it. Why not do it? Because if you're if you're famous and good at one thing, there's no reason not to do absolutely everything. I yeah, I just hate it. Yeah, it's especially since it's it's again he has the God-given skills to actually do good and help people and he chooses. You know this ****. And I gotta say, I blame his dad. I blame him. Blame his dad too. His dad. You, Mustafa? Yeah. *** ** * *****. You ****** ** dude. I mean, you did a great job by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and what, yadda yadda. But, you know, maybe you should have, maybe you should have. Maybe been more encouraging for him to just maybe, you know, pick one thing and stay with it rather than, you know, venture off into a television. I will say at least with the true crime stuff that like, I know he's like, he's a little bit kind of like getting into kind of our territory here with the podcast business, and I don't like that, but I'm glad I don't have a true crime podcast that he's currently cannibalizing if he starts to Sopranos 1. I will lose my ******* mind if Doctor Oz decides one day like I wanna do a prestige TV rewatch show for CNN. That'll be it, dude. Oz, you'll be on my *** **** list. I don't think it's podcast publishers anymore. The one that he was doing. I don't see any new episodes past 2019. Well, I mean, he's he's doing a true crime show. That's that's as close as you get to that to the podcast business. And yeah, you know what I'm saying? Those are the number one pods out there, dude. ****** me off. It's my pods. All right guys, that's the episode. Have any any plugs? Yeah, plug the plugs. My name is Matt Lieb and you know I'm on Instagram. Matt Lieb jokes the gram. Yeah, I'm on the gram. I'm also on Twitter at Matt Lee, but the follow me on Instagram and yeah, and if you like The Sopranos pod yourself a gun. It's pod yourself a gun, baby. Well, get out there and again, find Doctor Oz in the street. And Sophie, what? What is the legal definition of incitement? I'm not for legal reasons. I'm not committed to that question. Alright, well. Yeah. Just just go out and wander the streets, angry and and and agitated? Yeah. So without any clear goal? Yeah, OK. Angrily wander the streets, agitated with an unclear goal. 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