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Follow your podcasting dreams. Let's breaker handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to spreaker.com. That's spreaker.com. Hey there, it's Ebony Monet, your co-host for the San Diego Zoo's Amazing Wildlife podcast. In this special episode, we're speaking with Doctor Jane Goodall about the fascinating journey that led to her social discoveries on chimpanzees SO4-O months, the chimps ran away from me. I mean, they take one look at this peculiar white ape and disappear into the vegetation. Bing wildlife on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. What barking my dogs. That was a good intro, Sophie. Sophie approved. Anna yeah, good, I said. Woof Woof woof woof. Excellent. Yeah, this is the third part of our anti vaccination episode. We are exhausted. We all just broke after the Wakefield one cried a little while. I went and got 6 vaccinations just now. I've been. I've been doing nothing but breaking open and shotgunning MMR vaccine since we started doing this. Ohh yeah, yeah. How how are you feeling? You know, pretty good. You mix it with a little bit of coconut water and rum and it's actually a pretty nice. Oh nice, you shoot that too, yeah. I mean yeah yeah I I boof it. Big fan of boofing. What buffets when you put it up your ****? Oh, you didn't listen to the new Supreme Court justices congressional testimony, they talked about it in Congress. Oh. That was one of my favorite. I mean, it was all horrible, like the Kavanaugh confirmation. It was heartbreaking. But like, the fact that that came up, like when I was 18 and 19, my friends and I would joke about and occasionally do it because we just thought the term boofing was hilarious. I remember it now from when I was a teenager. That's in Congress now. That's like, that's there's no, like, history books. Kids are going to have to learn about the congressional debate over Boofing in 2018. Well, look at it this way. Amazing now. You can, for all those kids who are in college, look at the drunkest craziest, most problematic guy at the frat party and latch on because he's going to be something. I mean, if that were true, then I'd be on a straight shot to the Supreme Court. Ohh, a lot of things. The problem is you picked the wrong side. After that you were like, I'm going to veer to the left a little bit. I didn't stop being a problematic drinker and drug abuser could have gone the other way. You would have had a better future. Yeah, I I am against been in the right way. I'm against middle class white kids sobering up. I think it's bad for us. I think that's what turns us into Dick Cheney. That's so true. Oh my gosh. It's so true. And that's why if I were to, if I were to sober up and deal with all of my problematic substance abuse problems, I'd I'd be invading Afghanistan 10 years later. George Bush. It's dangerous. OK, yeah. But if anyone out there wants to sober up, you know, you should. You should. This is a bad thing to be joking about. But I don't know. I watched Vice recently, you know, the movie vice. Yeah. Just kept drinking, right. Yeah, This is why people shouldn't get married to supportive spouses, because they might facilitate you marry a neighbor criminal. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Anyway, all right, so this episode is coming at the end of A2, parter on the anti vaccine movement, but it's about a guy named Doctor Robert Spears and he did not fit into either of those episodes, which is why we're doing this as a separate thing. But it was actually the fellow whose story inspired me to do this whole 3 parter I pretty regularly. Suggestions on Twitter from fans to write about ****** person X or garbage monster Y, and I do appreciate those suggestions, but they're usually for someone I've already heard of, like Winston Churchill or Chairman Mao. People were already on the list, just got to get around to doing their research. When somebody suggested Doctor Robert Sears, I was intrigued because I'd never heard of the guy before. It turns out he's actually one of the most famous pediatricians in the United States. His dad, Doctor Bill Sears, wrote a popular series of parenting books. Now Doctor Bob Sears is a vaccine denial profiteer, essentially making his fortune. Off of the doubt, Andrew Wakefield sowed against the MMR vaccine. Of course, Doctor Bob seems to have gotten this start hitching onto his dad's start. Doctor Bill Sears, you know, runs ask Doctor sears.com, which bills itself as the trusted resource for parents. Doctor Bob, along with Doctor Bill's other son, both contribute to the site. Here's Doctor Bob's bio on askdoctorsears.com. Robert W Sears, MD, is a father of three, practicing pediatrician, and a co-author of the Sears Parenting Library. Doctor Bob, as he likes to be called by his little patients, earned his medical degree at Georgetown University. School of Medicine in 1995. Georgetown. OH, where both me and Jack went. So go on. You did do better. Georgetown. Do better. Georgetown. He did his pediatric internship and residency at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, finishing in 1998. Doctor Bob is the proud father of three active boys, yadda yadda yadda. He likes mountain biking, California waves, getting lost in science fiction novels, and everything is quiet. Doctor Bob enjoys very unique approach to Pediatrics by providing a combination of alternative and traditional medical care. See you little bit of a thing there. That's a problem. Yep. Alternative. Alternative. That's one of those you're gonna do a class on how to avoid grifters. That's the first word to look out for your alternative. He has a passion for healthy natural living. There's another warning phrase, sad that, that is like that because healthy living is a good thing. Yeah, if you eat well, you'll be OK. But don't not do medicine. It's the natural part that makes it skip because then you're saying like, OK, well, whatever else you're doing isn't natural. Yeah, it's like. I think you might be dishonest a little bit. Yep. Hmm. He has a passion for healthy natural living and incorporates this knowledge into a style of disease treatment and prevention that you won't find in most doctors offices. By limiting antibiotic use, using science based natural treatment approaches whenever possible and focusing on good nutrition and immune system health, Doctor Bob takes preventative medication sent to a whole new level. Now if you remember from the first episode of this series way back that anti vaccine Doctor Who got smallpox who thought that his healthy diet and. Natural medicine would keep him from getting sick. Interesting. Yeah, it's they're the same. It's interesting that not only is it the same school of, I guess, if you can call it a school of thought that's appearing on the other end of this debate, but also what is a little unsettling is I can see how that is appealing to like people in LA and California and Portland who spent $16.00 on a veggie wrap. Exactly, trying to live a more natural, healthy lifestyle. Yeah. But that doesn't undo the efficacy of medicine as a whole. And it it's it's. Yeah. And I think some of it comes from just like if you're a naturally physically robust person, like, it can be easy to follow on this whole of like, well, I could just keep being healthy and I don't need medicine. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, now there's some grifter keywords in there, like science based natural treatment, healthy natural living. Reading a little bit further, he didn't brag too much. He didn't brag too much, although I cut out a lot of there's a lot of raggies. He's pretty braggy guy, but there's a paragraph just a little bit further on that brings us to the true focus of Doctor Bob's career. Doctor Bob has a particular passion for helping patients understand childhood vaccines and options open to them, and choosing the safest possible vaccine schedule for their child. As the solo author of the Vaccine Book making the right decision for Your Child, his in-depth knowledge of vaccines and the diseases they prevent has helped parents nationwide get a better understanding of this complex and confusing issue. Here's what the fantastic website Science based medicine has to say about this book, the vaccine book. Doctor Sears assures patients that there is a safer, more sensible way to vaccinate. He wants parents to make their own informed decisions about whether or how to proceed with vaccinating their children, making sure to let them know that if they do choose to vaccinate, he knows the safest way to do it. And for 1399 paperback, he'll share it with them. OK, that's the keywords. All of it is a keyword. I know how to do it by my product and informed decisions. And yeah, just lambasting those lazy parents who just. Trust medical science that the MMR vaccine will protect their child. So he still has a license. This guy. Sort of, Oh yeah. OK, sort of. We'll get to that. OK. Now, in the final chapter of his book The Science based Medicine, in the final chapter of his book entitled What Should You Do? Now? After reinforcing the common vaccine myths of the day, Dr Sears presents his readers with Doctor Bob's alternative vaccine schedule. He places the side by side with the schedule recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. So Doctor Bob made a cunning decision here. He's not anti VAX. Which is a completely indefensible position from a scientific standpoint. Instead, he's trying to thread the needle of questioning whether or not vaccines are actually any good. His stance is kind of a work of art of profit seeking, spinelessness. Knowing he can't advertise against vaccinating children and not be seen as a Wakefield Ryan monster doctor, Bob decided to cash in on the ill informed fear of vaccination spawned by Wakefield without going so far that his own medical license would get suspended. He's not saying don't vaccinate your kid, he's saying I've developed a healthier schedule. Vaccinate your which is such ********. And also giving, like, talking to parents about reasons why vaccines might be bad. Oh, this guy sucks. But also, the medical community needs to get better at dealing with this. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to deal with. Like, we do have freedom of speech. There's nothing stopping a doctor from shooting out nonsense. That's true. That's true. Doctor Bob's book was released in 2007 by 2009, and it sold more than 40,000 copies and found its way onto the New York Times bestseller list by 2012. According to book Scan, his book had sold over 130,000 copies. So oh God. At first I was like, OK, this guy is clearly a quack, like he's selling his product. He probably didn't catch on too much. The best seller list. This is now mainstream. Yeah, it's very mainstream. No, I don't know Doctor Bob, but from everything I've read, he sounds like a guy who has a truly fabulous bedside manner. I'm serious about that. I'm not a doctor, and I'm literally the opposite of a doctor, but I had interviewed quite a few doctors at length over the course of my career as a journalist. And one thing that has been brought up repeatedly is the fact that many great physicians kind of suck at the whole talking to patients part of it, yeah, exactly. They can be really brusque. And, you know, they're busy and they they see some **** and they don't want to, like, argue with someone who didn't ******* spend 12 years in medical school. And so when you have a guy like Doctor Bob, who's great at talking to patients, who's really easy and easy going and, like, is able to put them at ease and comfort, they'll do anything he says and they'll trust him implicitly. Doctor Bob is a real doctor, but he is not an expert on vaccinology. He is not an epidemiologist. He is not a specialist on childhood infectious diseases. Make no mistake, when he talks about vaccination, he is doing so completely out of his ***. Science based medicine gives a really thorough breakdown of exactly how dangerous doctor Bob's rhetoric can be. Quote he gives polio as an example, stating that the risk of polio is 0 and that therefore the vaccine does not protect the individual child from the disease. This of course is untrue, while new cases of polio no longer arise in the United States. Thanks to the success of the polio vaccine, they do still, in other parts of the world, as is true for many infectious diseases, imported cases and potential outbreaks are quick airplane flight away. The more unvaccinated children we have, the more likely an imported case will lead to larger outbreaks of disease. So yes, vaccinating protects the individual child as well as the community at large. Ironically, polio would likely have been eradicated from the Earth by 2002 had it not been for the propagation of a vaccine myth in the impoverished Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, which in the year 2000 accounted for 68% of all polio cases in the world. The myth that the polio vaccination campaign was really a government conspiracy to sterilize children prevented that campaign from accomplishing its true mission of riding the world from this horrible disease. That's the worst part. We're talking about this Eurocentric, not just Eurocentric, but America, Europe. Piece of the debate. But, I mean, it's global. It's global. And the CIA gets caught up in it too. We're not going to go into. And this one I'll probably do a separate episode. Yeah, they carried out a fake vaccination campaign in Pakistan in order to try to catch terrorists and, like, made people stop getting vaccinated because, like, it's the CIA. No, that's don't do that well. Yeah, so bad. It's so bad. But it's shocking that, like, that's something that makes me like, oh, God. Like, like, it's one thing to overthrow democratically elected leaders of a government. You expect this? You expect the CIA to do that? Train a paramilitary organization that infiltrate a peaceful student movement. It's what you do. Yeah, but for the love of God, don't **** with vaccines. CIA. You should know that much. You can be unethical and not **** with vaccines. Guys. God. So. OK, first of all, this guy needs to see the movie contagion. Anyone who doubts vaccines needs to see contagion. But how do they respond to because this is a little more recent when Ebola was happening? And there were a few cases that came to the US like by air and were contained. Did they have a stance on that? That's I feel like that's the closest we've come to outbreak fear in the last few years. That's a really good question. I haven't read any of like what anti Vaxxer said about it. I'm going to guess there was a lot of we should just stop all immigration from Africa. Make a point. That's that's good. Yeah, I'm gonna guess that it was something like that. But, you know, I, I don't know, I didn't look into like what they were saying about Ebola. What a mess. So it doesn't seem that Dr Sears is a true believer in the ******** he espouses, or at least a lot of it. I think we can assume that because of this passage from his book quote given the bad press for the MMR vaccine in recent years, he's talking about Wakefield. I'm not surprised when a family tells me they don't want the MMR because there's so little risk of getting infected. I don't have much ammunition with which to try to change these parents minds. I also warned them not to share their fears with their neighbors because of too many people avoid the MMR we're likely see. Diseases increased significantly. So he's telling people he's he's basically buying into the Wakefield ******** and reinforcing in the heads of these parents who trust him that, like, yeah, the MMR vaccine might be dangerous, but he's also saying if you don't vaccinate your kid, don't tell your neighbors that, because then enough people won't get vaccinated. What a contradiction. Yeah, you know the vaccine works, Doctor Bob. Just tell them to vaccinate their kids. But I trust you. It stems from that fear that anti vaxxer seem to have, which is. Yeah, OK. I guess it helps prevent the virus, but the virus doesn't even really matter anymore. And also there's an individual risk, and I want my kid to be OK, but that individual risk seems to be predicated on false research. And Doctor Bob is one of the biggest proponents of the individual risk thing. So yeah, that's what we're getting into. So another thing Doctor Bob advises is that the parents of his patients might want to avoid giving their kid the DT AP vaccine. Which protects against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. Whooping cough. Because tetanus is not an infant disease, diphtheria is virtually nonexistent in the US, so one could create a logical argument that a baby could skip the tetanus and diphtheria shots for a few years and be just fine. That's Doctor Bob's reasoning. Now, if, like most busy parents, you don't know much about epidemiology or medical history, that might sound reasonable. It's less shrill and crazy than the nutso vaccines cause. Autism crowd tends to sound. But having done the ******* research, doctor Bob should have done science based. This and points out that diphtheria used to be virtually nonexistent in the USSR. When the USSR fell, so did vaccination rates in several former Soviet states. This led to a nightmarish and deadly diphtheria outbreak in Eastern Europe, because yet again, that's how herd immunity works. Wow, we're not taking these because the current risk of diphtheria is high. It's so that it continues to not be a problem. So herd immunity is, just as a concept, nonexistent in the anti vaccine crowd. Yeah, because they don't want their kids to get. Yeah, it's because their kids are special. Yeah, their kids are special. Other kids aren't. Yeah, yeah. Now, one of Doctor Bob's other big claims is the idea that natural infection is better than vaccination. Here's the American Journal of Pediatrics, who you might have guessed are not big fans of Doc Bob. Quote Sears describes the value of chicken pox parties. Some parents may purposefully get their child exposed to get the disease over with, he writes. If you've ever been invited to a chicken pox party, you'll know what I'm referring to. Having the disease, in most cases, provides lifelong immunity. Better immunity than the shot. Provides. So there's practically no worry about catching the disease as an adult. Now think way back to the first episode of the series on vaccinations. Do you remember how in the 10th century, Chinese doctors were giving people ground up scabs to snort? Yeah. That's what Doctor Bob is advising, right? It's like, yeah, it might work out, or you might get it and it might be bad. And this was good science, like, 1000 years ago. Yeah. Even, like, this whole idea of chicken pox parties is like, What? Don't don't expect. There was a there was A and only chicken pox, which is not that bad in many people. But with chicken pox there, there was a bit of like, oh, your friend has it, you might catch it. But even then, my parents were like, don't try to catch it. 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Sophie thinks he has a very punchable face, Anna and I believe he looks like the stock photo model for white doctor. She also found a picture of him on like some new show where he's got glasses on that we're pretty sure a fake glasses. Yeah, just to make him look smart. O100I mean. I'm shocked he didn't go on. And his doctor scrubs. Yeah, yeah, with the stethoscope around his neck and his suit. Now, part of why Doctor Bob is dangerous is that he makes what seems to lay people to be a convincing argument that there are significant risks to vaccinating children. He bases this on the CDC's vaccine Adverse Events Reporting system data. There's data, as it's known, is basically something the CDC keeps track of because they are exactly the opposite of the monsters Andrew Wakefield accuses them of being. There are negative side effects to vaccinations sometimes, and the CDC wants to know about it. But fair's data should not be viewed as an authoritative list of the side effects of vaccines science based medicine. Explains why quote everyone, doctors and patients alike, is encouraged to use theirs anytime a vaccination is followed by an adverse event, whether or not they suspect the vaccine is the actual cause of the event. Being an open, voluntary, passive reporting system, VAERS is susceptible to fraud and abuse, as anyone can submit a report. The purpose of the system is to give a very broad look at possible unforeseen events related to vaccination. It is a screening tool from which trends can be observed, possibly triggering true validated analysis, so in other words. Various data can be used as a springboard to study whether or not a sync given vaccine can cause adverse reactions. It is not useful for determining on its own the risks associated with vaccination, right? It's just correlation. It's just yeah, and it's just like, it's everything. Like if anything bad that happens within a couple months of getting vaccinated winds up on there, then you maybe look into it further to see if there's maybe a causal link. Using data that is not supposed to be used for this purpose, Doctor Bob has discovered that one in 100,000 vaccinated people suffers what he determines to be a severe reaction. He extrapolates from this that every single vaccine has a one in 100,000 risk of hurting every single child by cherry picking information in this very undoubtedly way, he concludes. Quote. The risk that any one child will suffer a severe reaction over the entire 12 year vaccine schedule is about one in 2600. The risk of a child having a severe case of vaccine preventable disease is about one in 600 each year for all childhood diseases grouped together. Ohh, I can see how that is damaging because it sounds real. It it sounds real and people are bad at statistics. The numbers are like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Feels right. That feels right. But that's that study. That's not a real study. It's not, it's not real science at all. Control. But it's like, it's nonsense. Yeah, it's lies. Because again, this ************ has a medical degree. He knows. He knows how statistics work. He knows what he's doing. He's. He's a con artist, but it's so I think he is more troubling than Wakefield. Yeah, in a lot of ways. In a lot of ways, he feels so mainstream. Well, and that's how it goes with grifters, is like the guy who starts the grift in Wakefield is like the first modern Doctor Who I think started that grift. They're never the best at it, you know, they they just they they they they plow that road. He went on Alex Jones. People are going to believe him after that, but also so this calculation that one in 600 kids, the risk of a child having a severe reaction to a vaccine is so high. That brings Doctor Bob to his $1,000,000 question, literally, our vaccines worth it. He concludes that sometimes they aren't and that parents should minimize which ones they give their kids. He's seriously asks, and is this like, what is a sensibly a medical advice book? Are measles even that bad quote? Has he had measles? I'm going to guess not usually not. Most cases in children passed within a week or so without any trouble. However, approximately 1 in 1000 cases is fatal now that measles is rare many years ago by without any fatalities. Science based medicine put together a handy list is rare. Yeah, why do you think it's rare? Not many kids die anymore, so don't don't bother with it. Yeah. Science based medicine put together a handy list of exactly how serious measles is, just in case you think Doctor Bob might have a .1 in 1000, cases of measles results in encephalitis with a high rate of permanent neurological complications, and those who survive approximately 5% develop pneumonia. The fatality rate is between one and three per thousand cases. Contrary to doctors. Here's a statement. Death is most commonly seen in infants with measles subacute glossing pan, and syphilis is a rare complication of measles infection that occurs years after the illness in approximately 10 out of every 100,000 cases. So there's a lot more risks than just one in 1000. Yeah. And I think the idea that, like, you don't need to vaccinate your baby. And they'll be fine. Yeah. It's crazy because babies are the most defenseless. Yeah. And by the way, actual doctors who have done the actual numbers, he's saying, like, one in 2600 kids will suffer a severe reaction over the vaccine schedule. It's one in 10,000 children will have a serious event following a vaccine. Sometimes it's just a drop in blood pressure or an allergic reaction that's much more common than developmental disorder. And we actually have the vaccine court in the United States. That's whole job is it's a bunch of people who evaluate. Cases of parents who think their kids were hit by a vaccine to pay them compensation because we're saying there will be some people you know you've got. So human biology is complicated. You're vaccinating millions of kids, some of them will have a negative reaction. Some people get sick when you get certain vaccines. Some people get sick from peanut butter. You can't not have kids get vaccinated. So instead you establish this thing by where if someone does have an adverse reaction, they get a payout so that like because it's it's unfair to do anything else. Now I have a question, do you think? Vaccines, in light of all this history, now, should be compulsory. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I because I I think it's the same reason why you can't drive drunk. I believe you have a right to be drunk. I believe you have the right to drive. I don't believe you have the right to drive drunk. Because then you're risking other people's lives. And I think that just the way epidemics work. You can't let people risk that for other people, right? If I if I could reorganize the world my way, the CDC would be a global organization. Like it's like there's nothing more important our government does than try to stop the spread of infectious diseases. Absolutely. I'm a big fan of not having epidemics kill millions of people. Huge fan of that big CDC, Stan, what should the penalty be? You know, that's a lot harder to talk about, but like, I think you could make a case that it's child abuse. And so I think maybe there should be like a family law thing or something like that. Like, I I don't want to get into, like, we should do this penalty of that penalty. But like, if you're refusing to vaccinate your kid, and especially if your kid gets sick as a result of that, there should. And on other kids get sick as a result of that, there should be a significant penalty. And I think also having vaccines be plentiful and accessible and free is the way you do that so that it's not poor people. Blanket neighborhoods and drop them from the sky. Thousands of needles filled with the image. Rock them by drone. Put them in Cheetos. Or even Doritos. Doritos. Every bag of Doritos comes with a polio vaccine. Yeah, it's cool. Hand them out is cool. Yeah, put them in cigarettes. **** it. Vaccines and everything. Look, people think Alex Jones is radical, but that's just because they haven't heard this podcast. Because they haven't heard this podcast. All of those suggestions were Philip Morris. If you want to get in touch with me about releasing a line of cigarettes with vaccines and then I will advertise your vaccine. Cigarettes. Absolutely. Great. Yeah, especially if it's that new lung cancer vaccine that Cuba developed. Why not put that in a cigarette? Is that real? Oh yeah, they got a lung cancer vaccine. Yeah, put it in cigarettes. Why not smoke your way to not having lung cancer? That's crazy. I don't know. Like, I think it might just be like limited types of lung cancer. I don't. I don't really know. There's so many types. It's like HPV. Prevents against the one type, the bad type because we all have the good type, we all have the good type. Everybody wants some good. We did put HPV in the in the cigarettes too. Fine. Yeah, not even the vaccine. Just HPV itself. Try this new cheese. It's full of good cholesterol and good HPV. Yeah, all the all the upsides. So medical researchers have been able to draw a Direct Line between Doctor Bob's ******** and an actual epidemic. In 2008, a 7 year old boy returned from a trip to Switzerland with his family. He brought the measles back with him, infecting 11 other children, forcing dozens more to be quarantined, and sparking California's largest outbreak in 20 years. That 7 year old was later found to be a patient of guess who, doctor Bob Sears. So does he get in trouble after that? Not for that, but he does get in trouble. The story will end with some. Good news. Back in mid 2018 Doctor Bob was put on a 35 month probation by the California State Medical Board. The specific cause for this was that back in 2014 he wrote a bunch of letters to exempt a toddler from childhood vaccinations. Dr Sears did not bother to obtain a detailed medical history of the child before he wrote these exemptions on social media. He defended himself by saying he took the kids mom at her word when she said her son had reacted badly to vaccines in the past. Here's Doctor Bob on Facebook. Why accept a settlement when I've done nothing wrong a child? And his mother came to me for help. The mom described how her baby had suffered a moderate to severe neurologic reaction to vaccines almost three years prior, and she was afraid a judge in her upcoming hearing was going to force her to resume vaccines. Now, isn't it my job to listen to my patients and believe what a parent says happened to her baby? Isn't that what all doctors do with their patients? After all, I don't want a child to receive a medical treatment that caused more harm. No, dude, doctors do medicine. Medicine isn't just listening to someone and not doing tests. Yeah. Well, no, your job is not to listen to what a mom says and then assume it's the truth without any study. But he has this very specific way of appealing. It's almost like rooted in his bedside manner. It's like, well, I was just helping my patient. Best authority on their parents, which the kid, which don't let the government tell you what to do. And this gets on to it like a big issue I have with like how a lot of people treat parenting in this country. Like children are property of their parent. And so, like, if I decide my kid should get home schooled and not get vaccinated, that's my right as a parent. No, you don't own your kid. You you shouldn't have as much. I don't know. Well, look, this will get into politics. The government gets involved. If you are an addict raising a child and neglecting your child, maybe the government should get involved. You're a crazy person. Yeah. If you're rejecting, like, life saving medicine, yeah. It's the same thing with, like, those Christian scientists who won't let their kid get, like, blood transfusions and stuff and their kids die. And it's like, that shouldn't be happening. Yeah, it's 2019. I agree. What are you talking about? It's so crazy. So the downside of this good news is that unlike Doc Wakefield, Doctor Bob has not lost his medical license. He gets to keep doctoring, if you can call it that, but he is on probation. He has to take an ethics class and 40 hours of continuing education. Yeah, he's on probation and another doctor will have to watch him for everything he does, so it is a severe limitation, but that's not a good thing to have. Is not going to change. Salt. Yeah. Grifters. Mine, a grifter. I think the supervision thing is good, though. That's that is good. Yeah. Yeah. Now, don't worry about Doctor Bob's livelihood, though. I could see that you were worried that he wasn't going to make much. Is he OK? Something tells me he's going to be just fine. He's still got that book out. He's still got that book out. And I ran into a website called Age of Autism, which bills itself as the Daily Web newspaper of the autism epidemic. In this, there were a bunch of posts from parents who were, you know, in this anti VAX sort of subculture talking about the news that Doctor. Years had basically been put on probation. I'm going to read a couple of their quotes to close this out. Posted by David Weiner June 30th, 2018 medical licensing is a hoax, a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is supposed to protect the public against bad doctors, but in reality it protects the medical cartel against innovators and competitors, innovators, innovators, and not vaccinating your children. These people need to get deadly diseases. Here's another one from Farm Master on June 30th, 2018. Time to admit defeat. There is no way a totalitarian vaccine dictatorship is sustainable. Terror and force will not result in long term compliance. Quite the opposite. You cannot maintain the illusion of vaccine safety when the truth is just one mouse click away. This makes me feel insane. Comments are so riled up. Feel like I have brain problems. Like what, guys? What? Well, so he's still out there. He's still out there, still doctor, bobbing it up, being a doctor, being a doctor under supervision. You know, OK, I know that you have compassion for Jenny McCarthy, and there are people who about that as much as I understand. I guess it hurt her a little bit. But I think we need someone like that to come out and say I was wrong, was real wrong. We need because I think the medical community can be bad at PR. That's what all three episodes have. They're they're they're big. Like, look, no. But we did the study the right way. Also, some of them were bad and racist. Yeah, but everything, everybody was racist back in the day. We need we need better PR. Vaccination camp. Yeah, because the problem is that like it. It just seems like anytime a doctor is really good at that thing, they realize that they can make more money being a grifter. So all the great doctors are terrible at talking to the cameras. There's a Doctor Who has a big YouTube following. I think he's called the handsome doctor. Oh, that's not a good sign. OK, yeah, you say that. But I think he's good. Oh, is he? Is he, like, doing, doing the good thing he hasn't gotten? OK, at least he's not peddling conspiracy theories. And as much here, I mean, I guess I'm confessing something, which is that I've watched several videos by the handsome doctors. He's so charming. And is he more handsome than Doctor Bob? By is he more chance handsome than Andrew Wakefield? Is he more handsome than Alex Jones? No? OK, that's where I would have believed you then, because you've seen him shirtless. Yeah, I've seen Alex Jones shirtless. That's for sure. Bring you the handsome, OK tweeters, people on Twitter. Tortons portlands we need to convince the handsome doctor to come out against anti vaxxers. We set the record straight because he has a following. It's probably the same following that is like, oh, what happens when I click these conspiracy videos? You could get to the you know, that is what is necessary. Is like a sexy, charismatic Doctor Who's not a grifter. Or even if you're a grifter, but a good hearted grifter. Who doesn't? Who doesn't grift on bad medicine getting off these videos? Fine, fine. As long as we need people to get their MMR shots for God sakes. Uh, so if you're in the Pacific Northwest and currently have measles, I hope this show has made your suffering more bearable. You can buy T-shirts from T public if that will help your measles in any way, but don't resell that. Do not resell them after you wear measle shirts. Yeah, yeah, because we have enough measles. We have enough measles infected shirts. You can also buy stickers on teepublic behind the ********. Anna pluggable plug. You can find my web comic on Instagram. Bad comics with an X by Anna with two ends. It's about anxiety and depression and stuff, and I have the same handle. Bad comics by Anna on Twitter. Hit me up. I'd love to know your thoughts on the handsome doctor. Yeah, I'm going to have to check that guy out. Oh my God. If I'm butchering what his name is on YouTube, I'm never going to forgive myself. Yeah, well, I'm sure they'll figure it out. Just look up, handsome doctor. 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