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Part One: The Slavery Loving Fascist who Built Modern Japan

Part One: The Slavery Loving Fascist who Built Modern Japan

Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:00

Christopher Wong is joined by Robert Evans to discuss Nobusuke Kishi.


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Oh, I didn't notice the audience had had come in here. I'm Robert Evans, this is behind the ********. It's a podcast about the worst people in all of history. Sophie and and Christopher and I were just having a conversation about Mangas that we think would be successful. So Christopher, I don't know what do you think ****** Kamala Harris vampire anime mean? I could see it. Look OK. The you know the advantage you get you get out of out of out of anime, right? Everyone's eyes enormously large. You you cannot lose you you cannot lose with this yeah absolutely the eyes are too big science says that we find the big ice cute. Cannot go wrong. Cannot go wrong. Well other things you can't go wrong with are a classic behind the ******** reverse episode where where? One of my. Sophie, are we allowed to call them indentured servants? No, we're one of my indentured podcast guests. In this case. Christopher also know well. OK, Sophie, I guess, of our team members, one of the members of our squad, Sophie, there is no I in team, but several of the letters that are also in indentured servant are in the word team. So that was worse than that, was worse than the fake laugh you did at the start of this episode. Christopher Wong. Who is on our team? A valued member of the zone media squad. Hmm. I I'd prefer a junta. The cool zone media junta. I've always felt we were more of a regime. Ohh God, you know, your your webcam being broken and me not being able to look you in the eyes when I'm angry really upsets me. I know, I know. That's part of why I haven't fixed it. Christopher, what are we going to learn about today? Well, on this podcast before, before we formally start, Robert, how do you feel about Operation paper Clip? Oh, you know, so when World War Two ended, right? Same kind of feeling that I got when like the last Lord of the Rings movie. Finished. Or like when Firefly got cancelled and I'm like, ah, but I wanted more. I wanted more from these kooky Nazis and their crimes. And then the US government and the Russian Government in two separate operations were like, don't worry, Robert, we're going to give those guys future jobs so you can keep following the careers of Albert Speer, Verner von Braun, a bunch of other Nazis, including that guy the CIA hired, and see what they do after the war. It's like. You know what it's like? Uh, it's like that TV show Joey after friends got cancelled. That's what operation paper clip is for. The Nazis and I I personally, as a fan of both Joey and World War Two history, I think that's great. What? Joey's last name Trubiano. Something like that. More or less, it's been a long time since I watched an episode of friends. Look, it's been like 15 years. Come on. Ohh wow. Well Robert, you are you are going to love Part 2 of this and I'm going to start out at this episode. I'm going to make an incredibly bold claim and we'll see how if see if you agree with it after after after the part, the second part of this episode I I maintain that the rehabilitation of Nobusuke Kishi, who is the subject of today's episode, is the single worst example of the US rehabilitating a war criminal. After the end of the day. It's it's this is the worst one. I'm. Related because this is a new war criminal for me, which is always a huge day in Robert's land. Yeah, yeah. Alright, so nobody Seikishi was born on November 13th, 1896 in a village in Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan. Now she is born in an incredibly important time in Japanese history, right? Just literally right at the beginning of the second phase of Japanese imperialism. So to get us to the second phase, after the restoration of the Emperor and the Meiji Restoration of 1868, Japan rapidly starts importing European technology, European organizational principles, European ideology and European racism in order to do a rapid, quote UN quote modernization campaign in order to compete with the European nations. Now, Japan was not exactly like an egalitarian paradise before they started doing this. And you know the the consequence of this is that you know they they they take the colonialism like a fish to water and this starts what I'm going to call the three phases of Japanese imperialism. You have imperialism 1 imperialism 2, imperialism harder and imperialism 3 Tokyo drift. I'm very frustrated that that you didn't do an Imperialism 2 electric boogaloo. But but you know, we'll we'll discuss that at your next performance evaluation. Will endeavour to get better references when I name phases of imperialism after bad movie titles? Yeah. So imperialism one basically starts right as the major restoration happens and and it lasts roughly from about 1868 to the start of the Sino Japanese War in 1894. And and this is the phase that everyone ignores. Because it's, you know, this phase of imperialism. It is very, very local. Or it's happening inside Japan itself. But. It's extremely important to understand that, like, everything is going to happen next, we're gonna talk about it for a little bit. And now, so the the sort of the defining characteristics of this first phase are the horrifically violent assimilation of the Inuit people in Hokkaido. The annexation of the Ryukyu Islands might not know what those are. The biggest one is Okinawa. You probably know what that is. My half of my family spent half of their lives there. Yeah, Yep. Very nice place. Very, very bad things happen to people who live there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a monument at the north of the island called Peace Prayer Park. Because when the when the US took the island, the Japanese occupiers told them, like, hey, you're all going to get murdered and raped by U.S. troops. You should just kill yourselves now. And so a **** load of Okinawa, yeah, flung themselves off the cliffs. And now there's a very nice monument there. The lot of bad things have gone down and yeah, yeah, it's yeah, this is the Japanese empire just sending enormous numbers of people to their deaths is running FEMA this episode? Yeah. It's it is remarkable when you're telling a story that takes place, when you're telling a story about colonialism in Asia. And the US is not the specific bad guy. Oh yeah. Story. Yeah. Like, like that's how. Yeah. Yeah. Bad. The Empire of Japan got like, yeah. Like this is the thing with like the the Americans don't become the bad guys in this story until two years into the occupation, which is like, like, I'm trying to, I can't. I don't know if like another time ever the US has like military occupied another country and it took two years for them to become like, the bad guys. It's we got faster. Don't worry, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Prove their game. That's what Taylorism brings you. Yep. Yeah, actually, like there was seikishi we a lot of this got cut, but Kishi big fan of Taylorism absolutely loves it. And yeah, him and our cops. Yep, Yep, it's it's great stuff. And you know, there there's one more thing that happens and this is I think the least well known of the stuff that happens in Japan in this. Which is that there's this just mass destruction and looting of thousands and thousands of these local non Shinto shrines. Like in Japan itself. They have this giant like culture company just like annihilates, like all of the sort of like local non like Shinto religions. And you know, all of this violence is about sort of, it's about annihilating any other culture in Japan and forcing everyone to sort of assimilate to the Japanese nation. Right. And, you know, I mean, this is, this is what's 19th century nationalism is this attempt to impose like a single national language and culture on a bunch of people who, you know, up until this point, like the only thing most of these people have in common is that, like, armed men show up every year and take stuff. Some of them, they give the same king. And like, other than that, you know, they have different cultures, different languages. And, you know, and in order to get rid of days that used to be all government was was armed men taking your stuff and giving it to the king. And one day when libertarianism wins, we'll get back to that. I I wonder. Yeah. I wonder how long it would take for for the CEO to just literally started pointing to themselves. Monarchs. I don't know. You know, there's that the, the the the the Twitter account run in part by the Kent State Gun girl, the Liberty Hangout accounts. Yeah, it's like a libertarian, conservative account, like four years ago and in about a year and a half was, like, unironically advocating the establishment of a monarchy. Right? That's why I made that joke. It's like, literally a thing that's happening. It's incredible. Yeah. OK. Continue. Yeah you know, and all the violence that you know. We've been talking about the violence, you know Kaido, the violence and islands and the violence in Japan itself. Like this is this is the Crucible in which Japanese nationalism is formed. And you know and like like like the rest of the 20th century nationalisms, the only place where that goes is imperialism to imperialism harder. And this this this phase begins in 1894 when Japan launches a war against China basically over control the Korean Peninsula. And they just like they just smashed the Chinese army. We we talked about this war. A little bit from the Chinese side and our Chang Chong episode, but you know from the Japanese perspective, this war makes Japan like the premier, like power in East Asia, like they're they're they're the big Asian power. And you know, and Kishi is born the year after Japan wins Asama Japanese war. And when he's 8 years Old, Japan wins his next major war, which is the research Japanese war. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Japan, like, yeah. Japan beats Russia so badly. It's amazing. Yeah. Right. Yeah, man, the the Russians are so, like, start the war with such a like, we're going to win us an easy victory against these savages and then lose their entire N fleet just just just their ***** handed to them. Almost like one of the biggest *** whoopings of the entire century military. It's it's it's kind of funny because it's like, you know, they sell, they sell the second fleet from like all the way around Europe, around Africa, and you know, it gets to you, but the first fleet, like the reason. Because she is so there. There is exactly one guy in the entire Russian Navy who has any idea what he's doing. His name is Makarov, and he's the guy who had the icebreaker. Like, like, he actually knows what he's doing and he got a pretty pistol from him. Yeah, he's a cool guy. And then like, like at, like at Max range, just like a random Japanese cannon shot just like killed him in the entirety of, like, Russians, like high command. And that was it for the Russian Navy. Because there's no one else in the whole Navy that, like, wasn't just like a random aristocratic appointment. It's it's a God. Yeah, it's it's great because you know it it takes a lot to stand out as a Russian naval disaster because the Russian Navy is pretty comprehensively been a **** show. We could talk about the curse or the fact that they're only aircraft carrier. The Admiral Coulds Netziv keeps lighting its dry dock on fire. We can talk about a lot of stories of the Russian Navy, but please, we should probably continue. We'll do a whole Russian Navy. Yeah. OK. Yeah. You know, and like, like in in Russia, like they lose this war. Badly, it causes a revolution. And you know it. But in Japan, this is like, you know, this is when Japan, like becomes one of the great powers. It's no, it's no longer this like minor regional power. Like it's one of the great powers and you know. Yeah, everybody's gonna take him seriously after this. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest land empire in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Well, everything is like, you know, they beat a European power. Yeah. And like that, that's a huge deal in this. And like there's a lot of people who will support the Japanese empire, like out of like anti imperialism, basically. It's like they're a non white empire. We have to. Yeah. And this is. Yeah, you know. Trying to explain that to, I don't know, somebody in Nanjing. Yep. Yep. It's. Ohh boy, don't worry. It's imperialist empire that's shot your family to death anyway. Yeah, yeah, it's it's bad stuff. But, you know, like the product of this is like Keisha is growing up in the period, like when Japan becomes like a superpower and, you know, they're like a minor, great power. Like they're not like Germany or like, like, I don't know, like the UK or France at this point. But you know, there's a great power. And you know, and this is this is, this is going to be sort of important because this is the sort of, this is the sort of like era of nationalism, an era of sort of like triumphalism that the key is coming up in. And Kishi is going to be one of if not the main architect of Imperialism, 3 Tokyo Drift when that face starts, and I think 37 and that that's the fascist phase. So we're going to, we're, we're yeah we're going to work our way up to that throughout the course of this. Now she's great. Grandfather was actually like, yeah, you know, this is another source of the sort of like nationalism, patriotism. It comes up and is. He was like. Famous enough for doing like anti Shogun stuff for the restoration that like when he dies there's like a bunch of articles on newspaper about it. But you know she does in 1902, and after she dies, the Kishi family business goes under, and this starts off this just really weird set of family drama. And God's family is wild. So Kishi's older brother is Sato Ishiro, and you know he becomes a Vice Admiral in the Navy. His younger brother, Sato Eisaku, is the third longest serving Prime Minister in Japanese history. Kishi Spoiler Alert is also going to become Prime Minister, and he's like kind of distantly related to 1/3. Japanese Prime Minister Yoshida Shigeru, which is extremely funny and reasons that would get into the second episode. Like, these people are like, they're like the Japanese bushes, except like the satos are just like they're just random people. Like they're not like rich. Like they're just. Yeah. It's it's it's really opportunity ****. Yeah. Yeah. Like the it's like they they they they. Just like for one generation, actually. You know, after the after Kishi, they're gonna they're gonna be saying politics like that one generation just like just ran Japanese politics for like half a century. It doesn't seem like that's ever a good idea. Yeah, it's it's not great. Perhaps running parax politics isn't such a great idea, but that's about the cop out anyway. Yeah. Now, because this sort of the family business imploded, like Keisha's uncle Mitsuke goes to such, like, studying medicine in Tokyo and becomes a professor of obstetrics. Yeah. And, you know, so Matsuki doesn't have any sons. And so he adopts Keisha's younger brother, Isa. Cue to to to marry his daughter. And again, I want to point out, OK, Masue is Keisha's uncle, right? That means that Izuku is marrying his first cousin. And OK, that seems ** *** ** *** also buries his cousin like this. It's like, not like a normal thing in this. Like people don't marry their first cousins like that often. And like both of the people in this family directly. People knew a while ago, people knew a long time before this that like, yeah, it's not really a great idea. The Hapsburgs don't aren't looking so good, yeah. Yeah, they they do it anyways, and it's. So it's it's a great, it's a great sign of where this is going. So, so Kishi stays with Mutsuki when he's like very little. And his uncle realizes that Kishi is extremely smart. And, you know, like, he hires a home tutor to help Kisha past is, like incredibly selective entrance exams for this middle school. And then he has to teach him English and, you know, this whole thing where he's a child prodigy and his uncles like, I'm going to raise him. And, you know, like what's azuki like deeply, genuinely loves Kishi? Like one of his biographers described it quote. Treating his uncle like a son, Musuka showered as much affection on Nobusuke as did his own parents, now, unfortunately for Kishi, and unfortunately for like all of East Asia. And in the middle kisha. Second year of Middle school, Masuka dies of pneumonia, and Kisha sent off to live with one of his other ants. And, you know, like, this is this is like pretty. There's still, like a young kid at this point. And this is like, this is really bad for him emotionally. And, you know, the the second family that he gets sent to live with is, like way less nice to him. And so, you know, he he still got support for his academic career, but he has his like, he he he has his weird young age trauma, which, like a couple like one of his biographers, like, points this out and and is like. Yeah. He has all the things that you need for a great leader. He has he's, he's a good family. He has a he's a family that wants to do education and he has trauma. And I was like. Do you understand where this is going? It's very weird. Yeah. And you know. Yeah. Kishi, you know, it's like Kisha. Kisha is a genius. Like he says, he has a couple of he's got some of his class in middle school. He graduated top of his class again in high school. And in 1918, he's accepted into the incredibly prestigious Tokyo Imperial University. Now, what he sees in college, she starts to formally, intellectually encounter the new Japanese far right. And he becomes particularly enamored with, like, the UN Japanese fascist Nikita, who he is a weird guy. There's a lot of sort of eclectic ideas, but like his big thing is he wants the Emperor to seize power in a coup, like dissolve the parliament to create a fascist state. And you know Kishi. She's kind of soft on the like coupe part and. Keita has some ideas about like, well, OK, so you're going to sue the government, right? You have a fascist state and the fascist state is going to like kind of do research, redistribution and keisha's like, he's got, he's got off on that, but like, you know, the the the fascist state part, he's he's incredibly in favor of. And, you know, so this point in time, there's no evidence that it could possibly be a bad thing. Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is, you know, this is. Yeah. This is, this is, this is, this is pretty recently promising new political theory. Yeah. Yeah. Now. Yeah. So. So when he graduates from university in 1920, there's a couple of weird things about it. So, like, OK, so now he's at the top of his class. Right. But like, not only is it top of his class, he has the highest test scores that anyone has ever seen. Like in the history of the university, he has the best test scores and then he also, like he takes a single the civil service exam. But like, he takes it as like, you know you're supposed to spend like four or three or four ish years in college. You just takes a second year and passes. And so, you know, he has his whole arc where he's basically like, you know, he. But for most of his career he's seen this. It's just it's just like prodigy. And it's like sort of true, we'll get into. You know it not being true when the war machine starts to come apart, but. Yeah. You know, and in this. He makes what looks the time like a really weird decision, you know, kishi's. Yeah. He's a project, like, he could easily have entered, like, the Home Office, like the Home Ministry. And, you know, he would have had this very easy career, like, very safely, could have become Vice Minister, governor, like governor. And instead, he joins the Ministry of Commerce, which at this point is like a fairly minor, like, government, government industry. And he does this because specifically, like, he really, really wants to be in charge of Japan's industrialization process. And you know this is this is gonna be she's like big thing over his career is he's he's a he's planning bureaucrat he he's you know. He yeah, like what? While? While? While when he gets to the Ministry of Commerce. He starts, you know, he does. He does his research. I send him all over the world to, like, look at people planning models and like, he gets obsessed with like 19 late 1920s German planning stuff. Which, you know, looks kind of weird given what's about to happen to the German economy. But yeah. And he starts advocating this thing called industrial rationalization, which is, you know, this is, this is like economic state planning. But, you know, his, his, the, the way this is sort of different from like the Russian model is that, like, he wants to sell off corporations, but he wants to corporations to sort of be run by government bureaucrats. I mean, there's like capitalists, but like he wants to be run by government bureaucrats and he wants them to be sort of run for the state interests. And, you know, this is the other thing about this part, like anytime someone says state. Interest and they're like a bureaucrat. 1930s Japan. What they mean is like building a war machine. And so, you know, you get these like weird you these weird passages like, you really? So this person sounds like a socialist. And then you read like two more paragraphs and it's like, oh, right. They they want a bunch of state control so they can build like the largest army in the world has ever seen. And overwrought accusation. State is a gun to these. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. It's it's not entirely different with, like, a lot of the ways the Nazis would talk about the state, like, the state. And the state is a race, too. Like, it's. It's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know. And Kishi, the week she thinks about this is that, you know, he he's gonna chart like 1/3 path between liberal cap and capitalism and communism. And this position becomes held by a group called they're sort of innocuously called the reform bureaucrats. And The thing is important to understand about the reform bureaucrats that lots of people like don't get when they study this is that there were former bureaucrats, like all of them, including Keisha, are fascists. But the thing that's different about them and the thing that's, you know, makes it sort of obscures their fascism, is that unlike most fascists? The way they're trying to do fascism is to just work through the bureaucracy. And so, you know, basically, like they have, they have this, the strategy that they're gonna work with, breathing work from the inside out. And, you know, she's aided in this by the fact that his boss, Yoshino Shinji, is the head of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry, and he basically just like, gives Kishi free reign to do whatever he wants. And so Kishi goes, OK, we're going to start doing war planning. And, you know, he wants to take over like state controlled major industries so they can do sort of economic planning for, for military stuff. And this gives him a lot of connections to support in the fascist sections of the RB. Now, Kishi allies with what's what's called the control faction of the Army, which is founded by someone you all probably named, at least recognized Hideki Tojo. Which. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Failed to shoot himself in the heart. Yep. It's great stuff, yeah. Yeah. 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All right, Chris, let's, let's let's continue forward. Yeah. So, so, yeah, we're going to talk about the absolute mess that is Japanese fascism. So we talked about the control faction. The control faction is is formed to stop the, the Imperial Way faction of the Army from doing terrorism. And these guys, these guys hate each other. Like the Imperial Way spends like a good part of the early 30s just like murdering the **** out of control faction officers. And both of them are just like purging each other from the army and this, this whole thing. It's part of what a British shoulder is called, the period of government by assassination. And this. Starts when a group of fascists, this is one of the there's a million fascist groups in Japan. This is one of the smaller ones, like, assassinates the Prime Minister in 1931. And after that, everyone just goes, oh, wait, hold on. We can just kill ministers. And so, you know, they killed this just enormous number of government officials to kill a bunch of politicians. They killed businessmen. Like, they killed two more finance ministers. And, like, they do, like they do. So there are so many. Who attempts that? Like you? You could literally just do an entire podcast series that is just the coup attempts they attempt in these like five years. Because it's like every every different faction and every like possible coalition of these factions has their own coup attempts. And, you know, finally there's this. Sort of ends when the imperial way and their allies trying to do like one last giant coup in 1936 called February 26th incidents. And they get kinda close. Like they they they take a bunch of government ministries, like they they almost killed the Prime Minister. They they almost killed the Defense Minister, I think. I think they killed the defense minister. But they lose. And after that, Japan, the Japanese government is just like, OK, we're just going to kill you all. And so they they do this like mass execution of of like every fascist leader they can get their hands on, including Chiquita, who is not involved in this in any way, but just like on principle, they were like, OK, the one thing all the fascist groups that they like you. Rick, we're just going to assassinate you and so while they say they they put him on trial and a show trial and convicted and killed the wall and. A lot of people, including you, people who are like, pretty reliable fascism, scholars like Robert Paxton, well, look at this trial and go, Oh well, OK, this, this is this is like, this is as if, like, I don't know, like Mussolini's March, Roman failed, and like, this is the end of fascist Japan. Yeah. And I think they're wrong. And the reason I think they're wrong is that if they're looking for the fascist revolution in Japan itself. And the French Revolution doesn't happen in Japan. It happens in Manchuria. Now we, we, we have talked about Manchuria before on this show, during the song episodes. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's it's like the Northeast China equivalent New England that like you know, borders Russia, borders Korea. It's really close to Japan, also borders Mongolia. You know that there there's there's a lot of industry there and you know it's it's it's the base of Jung's boss who's also named Jung Jung chilling and you know he he's the warlord that Japan had been backing dream dreamed and the whole world periods of Civil War era. But both Chang's lose the war against Chinese nationalists and you know like when when we last left Manchuria in 1928 like a bunch of **** *** Japanese officers had just like bombed junk drillings trained. And, you know, after that, Manchuria sort of falls into the hand of the nationalist becomes technically part of the Chinese Republic. And this is where, OK, things have always been weird. I'm sure this is where things get even weirder. In 1929, an anarchist revolution breaks out in Sherman Prefecture that calls itself the Korean People's Association to Manchuria. Now shimans like right on the border with between Manchuria and Korea and. This anarchist revolution is driven in large part by this enormous crisis. Million, like 2 million people, like Koreans, have fled the Japanese occupation in. You know the Japanese occupation of Korea in into Manchuria. And, you know, and you know, and it's, it's, it's a weird project because you have a bunch of, you have a bunch of anarchists. You also have a bunch of Korean nationals working with each other. Because the thing both of them agree on is that they hate the Japanese. And, you know, the anarchists or take the lead they they form much these councils. They start organizing the economy around mutual aids. And, you know, they set up such education system, they do all this stuff and then everyone immediately start trying to kill them. And so as, as is like anarchist tradition, the Soviets started immediately assassinating people. If these guys have another disadvantage, which is that the Japanese army also starts assassinating them and eventually this, this whole sort of anarchist, like prefecture sort of mini territory collapses 1931 when you know the incident that I would consider the actual. Or fascist coup in in Japan starts which is it's just the Mukden incident that triggers this full scale Japanese invasion of all of Manchuria. Now the Mukden incident extremely weird. Basically what happened is that a group of officers in the Kwantung Army which is the Japan has this army in Manchuria that's there to like protect their railroads. Basically because Japan like technically owns all the land the railroads are on. They have some other concessions and so they have this army that's just like in Manchuria they can legally have and the office. All the officers at that army basically look at the situation, they look at what's happening the rest of China to look at the revolution and they're like, OK, we need to take over Manchuria like entirely. But you know, they have, they don't have like an actual pretext. So they they stage a false, false flag attack on their own railroad and use the attack as like a pretense that started a full scale invasion of Manchuria. And yeah, it's it's bad, it's and the other fun part about this story that we'll talk more about Yakuza later, but like those guys, so they they go to like the Japanese government, the Japanese government. You cannot do this. And so they go to some like right wing industrialists try to get funding and they won't do it and people who will fund them are the yakuza and so that they have like like ¥30 million just like from the yakuza that the hackers are like here yeah uses take over Manchuria and so they do and you know the the the civilian government in Japan doesn't want this but they basically have no choice because the invasions like incredibly popular among the Japanese like public and you know one of the reasons is popular is that it it you know there's very, I mean there is some fighting. But Shanghai Shek and the Nationalists are you know, they're deep in their civil war with Mao and the communists in China and they're just like OK Japan, you can just have this. So they let them have this without, without a fight. And the consequence is that the quenching army, which is you know, it's chock full of Imperial way followers the whole there's a like, the whole army is just a bunch of different people and different fascist groups. These guys wind up ending up in charge of setting up a new state image area called Manchukuo. And the product of this is you get in it just an extremely weird state with like. 16 different versions of fascism. And, you know, this is supposed to be like an independent state. And it, like, kind of is a little bit like they they install poo. Yeah. Who's like the last Emperor of China as, like, the Emperor of Manchukuo, like this new state. And, you know, they have all this propaganda about, like, the state's going to have, it's going to restore the kingly way, and it's going to be like a direct relationship between the Emperor and the will of the people. And there's going to be these, like, autonomous agrarian villages ruled by landlords, and everyone's gonna, like, live in harmony. And did that, did that happen? I. Yeah. So, so the, the, the strongest group in, in, in, in this, like sort of new fascist utopia is called the Concordia Association. And they're this, like, they're this like fascist Pan Asian group that, you know, they have this whole line about, like, OK, we're doing ethnic harmony and like, all the races are going to work together. We're going to work together to like, expel the, like, the, the, the white imperialists. And the reason they take this line is that, like, the actual Chinese people there don't want to mentor. They don't want them the Manchukuo government there because they're like. OK all of the officers in this thing and all of the like government officials or Japanese like this is this is just a Japanese occupation. But, you know, you have this sort of this, this fascist like mass organization and their goal is to build popular support for this because you know the Japanese can't really just purely hold those military force at this point. So they have this puppet government and you know for about 2 years they're real. They, they rule like relatively unopposed. But in 1933 the the, the the Communist Party sort of at the at the like. The cast of the USSR, the USSR was like, oh, you guys need to do this. So the CCP goes, OK and what they do is they start like a series of insurrections launched at, like, driving the Japanese out. And the Japanese respond by slaughtering entire villages, very kingly way, very, very, very harmony between the races. Then there's, you know, there's individual villages where they walk in, they killed, they killed 2500 people in like a single massacre. And, you know, between 19321940, they killed 60,000 people trying to suppress the communists. And they move. Like 5.5 million people, most mostly rural people into these, like 10,000 of these Hamlets which I think if anyone studied the Vietnam War and you remember stick Hamlets from that like this is that like these Hamlets have three, they have 3 meter high walls, they have barred wire, they have forced labor. And so, you know, this is, this is this is the state of like, this is the state of like the kingly way in in in sort of fascist manchuko. Yeah. And it's, you know, I mean one of the things that I think is and that you were getting. Earlier when people talk about kind of the rise of the the OG fascists it tends to be very Eurocentric but there's very much an open exchange of ideas that the Japanese are a part of that's that's going but that includes concentration camps and it's not just and and to that point the Japanese are probably they're they're not really I I would doubt their inspiration is the German concentration camps or anything that a fascist well that a a recognize like what we traditionally consider a fascist power zone there were probably looking back at the Spanish. And the British would be my guess. Yeah, yeah. In the United States possibly because the, the, the Spanish, the concentration camp concept kind of originated from a Spanish general who deployed it in Cuba. But he got the idea from embedding with the US military after the Civil War. And anyway, yeah, well, and, you know, and you can trace it sort of more directly too, because like, all of that stuff, you know, it, boom, it boomerangs back to the Philippines during the American occupation there. And like. You know then that that's one of the things this is one of the reasons that that that stuff like all the stuff the US in the Philippines that that is like in large part like that's a big part of the reason why this sort of Japanese version of fascism is is popular to some extent in East Asia because you know OK before they like really openly start to massacre everyone you know it's popular because I mean Japan seed is like the only power you know the only non white power in the east that can that can resist just the app I mean just just incredible genocides that just like. Absolute horror, that that that that is happening just across the rest of Eastasia awesome. It's it's great. And yes so Kishi starts becoming interested in in Manchukuo around 1934 and and partly he's interested in it because of the fascism. But his big interest in Machuka is the natural resources and the sort of industrial base it has. And through through his sort of position in the in the government bureaucracy she's able to start working on on the 1st Manchukuo A5 year plan. Now she what sort of weirdly you know the the the the the the fascist officer is who are who are in the Japanese army there they they want this whole thing to be like an independent like state that's like free from the like corruption of liberalism and capitalism and stuff from whatever that that like you know it makes Japan like in Pierre and like deluge relation to the Emperor and Kishi looks at this and goes like OK wait but we we want we want we want this state to help run our war machine and you know and he he he he. This five year plan is is this giant, like war mobilization thing to create this sort of, they call it the National Defense state. It's basically like it's turning the entire society in the entire state, the entire economy into a war economy. And his plan to do this is he's going to bring in Nissan and have Nissan run like every war industry in Manchukuo. Well, Nissan almost makes an acceptable truck, so yeah, you know, almost, you know, it it it it verges on being as good as. A ram. Look, Nissan cars are, are are all right, but don't don't use them for agricultural work. Get it, Tacoma. Now, if you're telling me they wanted to put Toyota in charge of everything you say, that seems like a flawless plan. I'll bet Toyota has never been involved in any kinds of crimes against humanity. You know, there's, there's, there's, there's like a fun, there's a fun thing here where so so the there's these things in Japan called the batsu, and it's about you and and you know, these like giant mega conglomerates, like the people who own, like Toyota. One of the conglomerates Nissans another one of them in like the Army and most of the fashion like hate these guys because they see these like giant capitalist things as like, oh, this is like a western thing. It's like unpure they let these corrupt bureaucrats and again the way of us and the Emperor and so like she she has to like do this incredibly elaborate dance to convince all of this the the the fascist officers in in in Manchukuo that like no no no, Nissan's not like Toyota like they're not like the other conglomerates are not like Mitsubishi. They're a new conglomerate and they're they're gonna they're gonna do fascism for us. And this works eventually, and Kishi gets transferred fully to Manchuria in 1937 and all of this stuff gets approved basically because he he's moving in there and proposing this this five year plan. Which is enormously expensive by the way, but the reason the reason that he's able to do this is. Raise is getting in there the second Sino Japanese War starts, which is. Part of World War Two kind of. Kind of its own thing. I don't know. There's a lot of running arguments. Yeah, they start. They had a war that was in its brutality and death toll. Yeah, comparable to World War Two at the same time World War Two was going on. Yeah. You know, occasionally Americans noticed it. There's some good Woody Guthrie songs that thank the mighty Chinese vets. But, Umm, yeah, you know, I mean, like there's this whole thing, like, you know, like, like in China, like a lot like it's like that whole war is called the anti Japanese War of the war resistance. Because they call it. Yeah yeah. You know because like like that like, you know for most of the the time this is happening they they for about three or four years China is just fighting the entire Japanese army by itself. And you know this is yeah we'll we'll we'll we'll get into the stuff that that that the Chinese government is always going to sort of suffer in this. But you know, but the consequence of this for Kishi is that, like he gets just total economic powers or political power adventure, you can just, you can do literally whatever he wants. And the thing that he wants to do so that. OK, so, so his big thing is his big major thing is he wants to implement the five year plan to, you know, turn this into a war economy. The second thing he wants to do is just get absolutely wasted literally every single night like he Kishi. OK, well, that's scans. Look, if you're going to be war criming, you're not going yes. Sober. Yeah. No he. Yeah. And like you know, like all, all of the sort of Japanese officers in Japanese bureaucrats, like go clubbing, but like even the other, like the the other even like the people that I know. Every now and then I go out club and get a little drunk with my friends. Commit a couple of war crimes. What? Yeah, but this is padlock and apartment gate closed with a anyway Robert. What? This is not. Jiggly continue. God, what the the, the the thing with Kishi is that, like, OK, so everyone's doing this a bit at the time. Kishi is literally just going to clubs and getting wasted every single night. And like, even the Yakuza people are like, what are you doing? Like, it's like, I have to take a second here to tell the story about the absolute shadiest Japanese officer I've ever heard of. So when I was in, I've been to Okinawa a couple of times because my parents lived there for years and years and years both when they were kids and then later as adults. And look, I'm not trying to like. Whitewashed the problems with American bases. There's a big, very active and I think very righteous movement. Tried to remove the bases on Okinawa, but we're gonna talk about the origin of that too. Yeah, I had I, I I had no, no say in any of that. My parents just lived there. But so I I went on this tour of like sites from World War Two on on Okinawa. And one of the stories they told us was about this Japanese officer who win. The Americans invaded Okinawa. He was at a brothel just like had been drunk and ******* for days. And the Americans. Advanced quickly enough that by the time he sobered up, he found himself several miles behind the American lines and alone, hungover and having just ****** himself silly, snuck past the American lines, made it back to his unit, and then proceeded to lead them in battle for weeks, which is incredible. Chad Energy, you know, I say this to like, like, this is just, that's just the default condition of the Japanese officer core and this whole war like that, that's like, they like, this is this is what they're doing. All of the time. If it weren't for the millions of dead, it would be a real yeah rock situation. Yeah. Like, you know, like we're not saying these dudes rock. No, these dudes in fact do not rock, do not rock. And I'm going to emphasize this by, like, how cringe Kishi actually is. Like, OK, so there there's a quote of Kishi where he he he said he describes himself as and this is a direct quote. Quote Playboy of the eastern world. Like she just calls himself this, alright. OK, yeah, and you know, he he also spends just like an enormous amount of time in in in the brothels. Do we have a picture of this man? I feel like I need a visual of somebody who would dare to give themself that title. Unfortunately, most of the pictures of him are from, like, when he's old. 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I mean, fair enough that the Nazis still not a lot of guys who were, like, knocking it out of the park with the with the with the exception of a oh, ****. What was his name? The guy Hitler had killed in the night of long knives. The 100 throne? Yeah, the one Ernst Rome was pulling it down. And it's baffling that he became a Nazi. But anyway, whatever. I mean, this man does have, like, a decent, like, no, he doesn't. I take it. Yeah, no. Like, I've got. No, I've got Sophie, too. We can continue this discussion on our side. Podcasts. How ******** was this war criminal? Yeah, I mean, coming out on the iHeartRadio network and July of 2020, you just went back in time, but that's dope. Hmm. I know, Sophie. Robert. I know. Chris, would you like to continue this podcast? We've derailed you cast Sophie's derailed you enough. I will fight you. Continue. Yeah, well, I'd like to see you try. Robert is actually like Robert is kind of on to something on the like the reason you go. To do imperialism is so you can just, like, have sex constantly *** ****. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, you know it did it. Yeah. Yeah. And This is why Japanese are doing it. And this is where we should mention that Kishi is an inveterate ******. Like. Yeah. Like serial mass ******. Yeah. So. So those those brothels I was talking about. So. OK. To be a strong word. Yeah. So there's there's, like, there's like a small number of people in there who, like, are sex workers, like, 80 to 90% of those people were just like. The debt from Japan and, like, brought there by force and. Yeah. And so, you know, and this is, you know, and Keisha's going there, like, every, like one or two days, right? He's at one of these brothels and, you know, OK, even if, like, somehow, like, by, like some miracle, he somehow only had consensual sex there, he's also just like, what? He's like, here's one of the weirdest, like, sex things I've ever heard of, which is that, like, every time, like, he was served a meal, he would demand to have sex with the waitress. OK. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, you know, and like those those people, like those women, like absolutely did not consent to that. Which means he is like this man. Yeah, he is like ****** people, like basically every day. So far as to say that in most situations you can't properly consent to a man occupying your country with armed force. We'll see. So because because Kishi is a racist, like inveterate racist, he will only sleep with Japanese women. But those people were also brought there by force by by the Yakuza and Kishi. So? So while he's in prison in 1948, he has he has an interview and his description of this time is quote. I came so much it was hard to clean it all up like he has, like he has, he has a he has a guy. Like he's a specific guy, he's like a specific maid whose job it is to clean up his sheets every night. Ohh dude, like yeah, he's. Yeah, God. And you know God, he's gotta come serve it. That's yeah. And actually this, this is like a thing. This is like a lot of the, like the weird Japanese sex fascists. Like, there's like a person who has to clean up all their ****. Like there's, I'm blanking on. I'm thinking like there's that famous, like fascist Japanese poet who's like like the Japanese Nobel laureate, which is a fascist and like kills himself in the 60s or something when when his coup fails. Like that guy also. Yeah, like there's there's a person who had to ******* like, clean out his sheets and like his robes and ****. Also, check out my upcoming punk band album, Weird Japanese sex fascists. Yeah. Oh there, there's gonna be more. Don't worry, we're we we have not yet reached the weirdest of the Japanese sex fascists. That's that. That's coming next episode. Yeah, but you know, quotes in this episode already. You know, but I mean like so like the fact that he's ****** women like every day, I think, like the, the, this helps explain what otherwise I think is kind of an almost unexplainable thing that we're going to talk about in a bit, just like the amount of violence that we're about to see. But, you know, so the other thing is happening here, she's going to brothels. Like it's not. It starts out as just like Keisha's, like a sadistic ****** but he also is doing official business there, and his official business is that he's networking with local yakuza bosses. And this is where we get a sort of like formally introduced the third piece of the the sort of fascist triad in in Japan. So you know, you have you have fascist army officers, you have people like Kishi who are bureaucrat, technically civilian bureaucrats but you know are also fascist and working through the sort of planning agencies there. And the third wheel is organized crime. Now the yakuza, they're they're you know a lot of organized crime winds up sort of backing fascists. But the yakuza are different from, you know, like the Italian mafia in that they're like fanatically right wing. They have been basically the 1870s and they're like these are like the Yankees are a lot of people who invented fascism in Japan, like they're like they're like the first part of proto fascist groups are are these like giant yakuza organizations and they're I mean they're really tied in with the state that there's there's this story about how like so one of the one of the first. And yakuza fascist group is called the Dark Ocean society. And these guys, you know that their triad, like, they're doing drug stuff, but like the the, the, the Japanese Ministry of the Interior asks them to like, this isn't like 19. They asked him to help like Japan stage an incident that will let them invade Korea. And so, like these guys, like they have, like they have like special forces training myself. Oh no. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, it's what you do when you're young. Look, everyone's got to do a little bit of invading Korea. It's. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as long as you don't take it too far, it's fine. Ohh, boy. Yeah, we're well, yeah, we're we're gonna get to taking it too far. But, you know, like, The thing is, what about, like, these guys, like, they, like, break into the Imperial Palace and assassinate the Empress of of of Korea. OK. Like, yeah, like you said, then I took it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like the Yankees are like, they have they have military training. They have intelligence training. They're they're incredibly efficient political source, like, like sort of private political operation. And when she meets with them, they basically just agree to solve all of Kesha's funding. Problems. And you know, they can do this because the, like, the Yakuza has an enormous amount of like, you know, the the Yakuza met you guys like an enormous amount of money. And the reason we have this money is because they run the drug trade. Like, they run basically the entire good way to make money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, and Kishi, Kishi basically like offers to like, formally let them into the Japanese state. And, you know, the other thing is offering them like, hey, you guys want to do fascism. Like if you fund me, I will do so much fascism. And the others like hell yeah. And you know. This is this is the thing I don't think people understand about the Japanese empire. Like it's a cartel, like the whole thing is actually it's like a cartel with like an army and bureaucracy strapped to it. And this is especially true it's true in Manchukuo where you know with yakuza backing like this project is like almost self financing like the you know but by by by by the mid 1930s. Twenty percent like fully 20% of the Japanese population is addicted to either opium or heroin or one of the other drugs that the the yuccas are running. And this means that you know when the UK is a really start to formally. Play with, with the sort of state government and the state people are also doing drug running, but you know, there's like full scale immersions and by that .50 to 55% of all state revenue in Manchukuo is just from the drug trade. And, you know, like the quantum army, like, they literally, like, they start, they they they launch invasions of parts of China so they can take over opium and heroin factories and they just they just like start making heroin and opium like for the yakuza because this whole thing is just a cartel. Yeah. I mean everything is when you get right down to it, yeah, the British are like. This is a podcast cartel. It's true. And like any other cartels, we're actively engaged in battling the Mexican military in the foothills of of of northern Mexico. You know, look, I, I keep, like I keep saying, Japan. Japan is China's Mexico. And and as a result, we are also fighting the Japanese military in order to aid in the spread of podcasts across the aisles. They actually have taken no efforts to stop us. So it's been very hard to start those fights. But we're working on it. We're working on it. Look, you can you can always get into a gun battle with the fence if you if you believe, yeah, if you believe. Sometimes you have to force yourself into being an armed cartel. Sometimes the state says what you're doing isn't illegal and there's no need for us to have. Have an armed conflict. But, you know, that's what separates, you know, the cartels from the people not committing organized criminal activity. So the, the, the, the sort of final stage of this is that. So Kishi successor in 1941 has this idea and, you know just like persistently has labor shortages. And his plan is, oh, wait, hold on, we can use that. We can use the opium problem to solve solve our layer problem. And so they they start, he sets up this, like these series of these that are supposed to be drug rehabilitation centers. And you know, about 2,000,000, like, drug addicts show up to work because, you know, they they show up drug rehabilitation centers because people like, don't want to be addicted. And, well, the sensors actually are is you walk into the second, you walk on the back of the center and then you're forced labor camp. Oht. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they got him. They got it's great. It's great. And then and then, yeah, they they tricked them. And then so there's like 200,000 people who like are brought by their families. Like they show up like they they're not physically fit to work. So the Japanese government injects them with what they call an an opium detox. Implement and the opiate detox supplement is actually amphetamine. His great detox you from outputs and it's it's funny we just recorded the episodes that they they're running the week we we record this about like the Nazis and drugs. But yeah when meth first came out in Nazi Germany was obviously when vented in Japan. But when meth first light got popular in Nazi Germany it was advertised as a treatment for opiate addiction. Which I guess, yeah. If you get horribly addicted to meth you you you won't do as much opium. Yeah. Well, you know what? What? The Japanese. Government out of this? Is that like? OK, so these people can't physically move and we need a drug that can allow them to like move so they can be our slaves. And yeah, so that that that's the solution to that and. Yeah, so, you know, not wanting to be outdone in in the sort of forced Labor Department in in August 1937, keishi signs this bill that lets him just enslave prisoners of war. So it's it start. It starts with POW's and 1938 gets expanded and. You know, by the time you get to the expansion, it's like anyone doesn't have a job where like anyone they define as a bandit, which is like a bandit is just anyone who doesn't like the government. And so, you know, by 1938, it's OK, we can enslave just anyone we see on the street. And the people who aren't technically enslaved, like Kishi, pushes this thing that he calls unifying wages. Which means forcing, like everyone in, you know, everyone in Manchukuo, including like just the other random capitalists are still there to to lower all of their wages down to, to, to like, follow his planning model. And when I say lowering wages, what I mean is that he figured, you know, Keisha's thing is he's a bureaucrat. He's all about efficiency, is about rationality. And the thing that he is rationally and efficiently decided is that you should pay Japanese Chinese workers exactly enough. They don't starve. I guess it's better than paying them enough so little that they do starve. Well, that that starts to happen, too. Yeah. And then, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the way the wages keep going down because they need to bring labor costs down. You know, that's the other way they're funding all of this is by just not paying people. Now, key sheet. You know, labor in Manchukuo had already already basically been a bunch of yakuza people. Like, like a bunch of people are in the factory, and if you take a step out of line, they beat you. Now, Keisha Keisha's like, OK, We're going to rationalize this. And kisha's rationalization means that, you know, instead of it being independently, the, the, the occurs are forcing people to work for like, nothing. He's going to bring, you know, going into the state. And so, you know, he's going to replace the paramilitaries with militaries. The Yankees and the MP's are going to get replaced with, you know, bureaucrats, regular police. And the final thing this means is conscripting or enslaving like Chinese male farm workers to work in work camps and then forcing their families and children to work in the fields and their place. And it's. Yeah, wow. And and this this is where the race science starts because, you know, Japan, Japan has its own race science that they they kind of developed by themselves and they kind of import from Europe. And, you know, this is part of their like Taylorism, like labor discipline, rationalization process. Is they, they start doing these quote UN quote, scientific tests for, for body shape, for cranial size, for nose structure. And they turn these measurements into these like, they're basically racial baseball cards with like numerically ranked stats on them. Yeah. Yeah. Racial cards. Yeah. They, you know, they'll be like different points for like how much like what the shape of your skull is, like how big your nose is. And these give you like more or less points and you like, you hold up, hold up the race ball card and you know, you next to a migrant worker and you're like, OK. So which how? How highly does this person score? And I'm, I'm, I'm going to read a quote from the book Absolute ****** Absolutely Grotesque, which is a history of this. Hell of a title. Yeah. It's great. It's it's it's an it's an incredibly wild book. It's like it's like half about fascism and half about the way that it's sort of the, the way that it's driven by what, what this this, like 30s Marxists like Japanese sociologist calls the declining rate of pleasure, which is about how like, and you know, I think this is this actually fits what happens Japanese empire is that, you know, this is already a really violent place. And, you know, in in order to sort of extract more pleasure out of like sex, right. They, they start getting, they start going to stuff more and more violence. And this isn't just like a sort of like **** thing or like the **** is more like, no. Like they they they they constantly have to seek out like more like increasingly more violent ways of like ****** people. And this is like, you know, this is one of the sort of psychosis like drives this whole like expansion project. And the other one, the other psychosis is racism. So, yeah, I'm going to read this quote the, the SRM, which is the state railway. Company studies classified coolies into three types, the Shandong type, the Hubei type in the Manchurian type, consistently making up over 70% of all N Chinese immigrant immigrant laborers. Shangdong coolies were profiled as a quote thick skull type, representing a low level of culture and capacity quantities confirmed by their strong backs and powerful grip. Their biometrics of large jaw are cranial circumference of 55 centimeters, facial length to 1.35 to 1.4 times the line of the lower jaw, prominent cheekbones, stupidity, big teeth, a bridge of the nose that indicated docility. Submissiveness and barbarity added up to quote a type perfectly suited for physical labor, who obey. Coolies were a little smarter than those from Shandong, thanks to their anthropologically superior cranial shape, owing to this racial profile. Police were seen as the best for semi skilled labour of carpentry, plastering and bricklaying. Wow, I want one of those. I want. I want that meme of the two hands meeting in the middle. That's like. Western racists, Japanese racists. And in the middle, exactly the same ****. Yep, like it's, you know, what if what if the things that he's realizing, like, as I was reading, is the extent to which Japan is basically just like, like Japan is just like, like, it's like, it's it's E Britain. Like they have cousin marrying, they have all this word pedophile stuff. They have this giant empire. They have like all the skull measurement cranial stuff. They're both from this islands. They both have this just like incredibly weird. Like. Instead of set of psychosis embedded in their in their like like in in international culture that like. And it's it's a bummer that like one of the chunks of Asia that most successfully resisted being colonized and being oppressed by European powers did it that way by basically yeah. By becoming like the British Empire but slightly different. Yeah yeah and like you can compare it to like. Like, yeah, like Ethiopia, which like for a long time sort of like successfully like repelled, repelled tons, repelled sort of colonial forces and they like don't do this. Yeah, you know, lonely way to do things. Yeah, yeah. They're like, you know, there, there there were other ways. It's just the Japanese were like. Imperialism, what if we did it? And you know, and I think part of this is that like. You know, in order to be able to do forced labor, right, like it, it is actually kind of hard. To get human beings to like, make other, like, compel other human beings by force to do things. And you know, and this sort of necessitates developing this like this sort of like European style race science or just like the first layer system alive and. You know this is this racism? And this you model race theory, it's not confined to sort of just like lower rank government people like Kishi. Kishi is an inventor, racist like he he he goes on everyone who worked around him at the time we talk about he would just like stop in the middle of like a beating and go on this rant about how all Chinese people are like lawless bandits and capable of following rules and all of this. Yeah, you know and you know his solution to that is like, well, OK, so Chinese people like inherently can't follow laws because of racial stuff. So the only way you can get them to do things is by like treating them like a dog and just beating them. Which is you know, Myers will St Dogs but you know and and this this just like all pervasive racism is a big part of how you get everything happens next. So the the Japanese like atrocities in Manchukuo are are so bad that we don't have time to talk about Unit 731 which is Japan's like that's going to be its own episode. A whole thing that's Japanese kind of doctor Mangala mixed with. Yeah. Auschwitz. Yeah yeah. They they they they do a bunch of like that Auschwitz. But whatever you do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, basically like they're doing biological weapons testing on, like, live Chinese and Russian prisoners. Like a grade crimes against humanity. Yeah, and Kishi the the Scotty Pippin of crimes against humanity. You know, if if I don't know basketball, I assume he was good, right? Sophie? Sure. He was the best point guard of all of the touchdown footballer. You're doing great, birdie. Serving bicycle. Yeah. No hockey. Absolutely. OK. Really got me with the Brett Farve. Parts of that were me joking hearts. Alright, please, Chris, continue. So, so you unit 721 is operating under Kishi jurisdiction like, yeah, it's operating in invention called is there under jurisdiction and we don't have time to talk about that. That needs its own episode. What we are going to talk about next time is Japan's forced labor system. Oh yeah, now that sounds. You mean by forced labor? I assume you mean like Jedi, right? Like it's it's we're going to talk about Star Wars now we're going to pivot. I mean I think I think the the Japanese would have benefited from just having the ability to mind control people and you know I guess I guess militaries would have. Yeah. Yeah and you know I guess the the the the Jedi do like kidnap children and like educate them into a religious cult. Yeah. So you know and and they they also they also employed an enormous child slave soldier army. So yeah yeah it it it is Star Wars ship cause let us know how many Star Wars fans are in your DM's after that comment. Very brave. Yeah. Yeah. Ohh. Well, alright then. So we'll be back. We'll be back tomorrow because this is a ****** ******* 3 parter. A ****** ******* 3 parter. There's just some. There's just so much **** to say. There's a lot of **** to say about ***** ** ****. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, you can find it. There you go. Us? Yeah, you can find us. Look, do it yourself. We're not going to do the work for you. Find this. Come on. I mean, I'll track us down in the world hunt. Just like animals, you can follow ******** at ******** spot on Instagram and Twitter and not cool Zone Media on Instagram and Twitter if you guys wanna. Alright, well yeah, you're I'm not gonna do personal handles. You can find us. Yeah, hunt us down like animals hunt us. That's the episode. 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