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Hello, I'm Erica Kelly from the podcast Southern Fried True crime, and if you want to go from podcast fan to podcast host, do what I did and check out spreaker from iheart. I was working in accounting and hating it. Then after just 18 months of podcasting with Spreaker, I was able to quit my day job. Follow your podcasting dreams, let's break or handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to spreaker.com. That's spreaker.com. What's infected? Statistically, roughly half of the audience. I'm Robert Evans. This is behind the ********. It's a podcast. Bad people tell you all about them. Our guest today is Ty, better known as Hey, Shady Lady by from the Boss LVL Podcast, a Twitch streamer and a YouTuber. How are you doing, Ty? I'm doing absolutely wonderful. How are you doing this? I'm doing good now, Ty. You're a friend of our our head of of audio engineering here at Cool Zone Media, Daniel Goodman. Yeah, today, before we start the podcast, let's each tell a secret about Daniel. He is very handsome. Not many people know this. Hmm. That's a very sweet secret. So well kept secret. He he murdered a man in Barstow in 1998. I was going to go with a story that our our other editor, Ian told us about Daniel in high school. But then I don't want to anal to hate me, so I won't, so I won't. OK, but just no. Daniel, if you're listening to this, I ******* know what happened. I loomed now that I dropped that **** about. Come. He's going to be on the run from the Marshalls, so you can say whatever you want. Oh my God. They're the podcast. Great. Thanks. How do you how do you how do you feel about tea? Just like the drinking tea. The beverage? Yeah. Are you a tea drinker? I'm quite a fan. Yes, yes, I have a feeling. Do you scar me? Do you have tea in your house right now? Yes. Yes, I have some black tea. I've got some. A bunch of a whole. What are the words I'm looking for of herbal teas? OK, I'm a would you, would you do me a favor? We can cut some of this for time, but would you go look at the herbal teas and tell me who makes the herbal teas that you have? Let me grab the box? Yeah. I'm an overachiever, OK? Oh my hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's a collection. Alright. Traditional medicinals. It's a ginger 8 healthy digestive tree. I got Puka A3 Mint organic tea and then another traditional medicinals. Breathe easy respiratory health tea. Now, are any of those OK? OK, look, I'm looking at. OK, so none of those. Ah darn, none of those are celestial seasonings. I have actually deep dive celestial seasonings before, and I always side eye 'cause. I'm like, isn't this some cult ****? So ohh you, have you have stumbled upon what we're doing today? Yes, indeed, yes indeed. It's some cold ****. And today we're going to talk about the cult behind Celestial Seasonings tea. Most of the episode is going to be, most of this is going to be way, way deep background. We're basically spending 2 hours talking about the back story of the most popular herbal tea in the celestial seasonings, like almost religiously because they have a great sleep. There's, yeah, there's, there's sleepy time. Tea is the best selling tea in the in the world. I think, yes, it's extremely successful certainly in the US, but we're talking about the back story to Celestial Seasonings sleepytime tea, and it starts with a man named William Samuel Sadler. William Sadler was born on June 24th, 1875 and Spencer IN or June 14th, 1875. I found a couple of different claims. It doesn't really matter. His father was named Samuel and his mother was named Isabel. They were descendants from English and Irish immigrants. His mother was terrified that he would catch an illness at public school with the other kids, so they simply chose not to enroll him in school, which is, you know, a good call in 1875. What? You're not losing anything. School is a disaster back then. So he's the oldest of what would eventually be three children. His two younger siblings were twin sisters, one of whom died, basically. Immediately, Sadler's father was a music tutor and traveled around to different towns. He also ran a chain of general stores, so William grew up with money and access to financial resources. Despite his lack of a formal education, the family was not initially religious. Will's father was far too pragmatic for religion. His mother, though, was a seeker, and she joined a Christian Church secretly behind his back. She worshipped as a stealth Seventh-day Adventist for some time. We should talk a little bit about the event. The official title. The stealth. Yeah. Yeah. She was like secret. Yeah. She's like, she's like, *******. She's like doing undercover like this. Some ninja Christians? Yeah. Secretly worshipping on Saturdays and all that good ****. Yeah. The 7th Day Adventists are like a weird little Christian cult. We had a couple of them that that come out in the United States. They start as an apocalypse cult, and then the apocalypse doesn't happen, but they just keep right on going. And yeah, they're still around today. They Umm, you know, she's she's a secret Seventh-day Adventist, and for a while she's just hiding it. And then William's younger sister dies, and once dad and everyone else is really sad moms, like, it's the time I'm going to get everybody ******* pilled on Adventism, and the whole family converts when they're sad, so there you go. It's good. It's like an opportunistic infection. UM, so Samuel gets so taken with the faith that he he decides to take up a new job and becomes a Bible salesman, which you used to be able to make money being a Bible salesman now, that actually makes like, no sense to me. I can't imagine in 1875 there's ******* anybody who doesn't have a Bible. But yeah, yeah. Maybe they're old bibles get eaten by mice or something. This could be like new fancy ones too, with like, update. I'm sure if they've got like nice covers. Yeah, 40 pages of extra. Jesus. Now, I have found very little detail on Sadler's early life. Must have. Much of what we have comes in bits and pieces through the dozens of books he would spoilers author later in his life. The excellent book God talk by spiritual tourist Brad Gooch. Which, my God, what a title and name. Yeah, Brad Gooch. It's a good book, but what a ridiculous name. Brad Gooch. Come on, man, you can't. You don't get to be called Brad Gooch and not have me laugh ever going to forget it, the Gooch. So yeah, the Gooch wrote a book about this guy, and he gives a rare detail from his childhood quote. Growing up in Wabash, Illinois, Sadler exhibited an early predilection for learning and a talent for public speaking. He borrowed history books from his neighbor, General Lou Wallace, who was writing Ben Hur at the time. All this knowledge came in handy when Sadler's relative General Mcnaught, A1 time chief of Scouts to General Ulysses S Grant, asked him in a family reunion, to stand on a rain barrel and give a speech on the battles of history. Sadler claimed that at the age of 8. It addressed a high school commencement in Indianapolis on the subject, the crucial battles of history, and at age 16 he was dubbed the Boy Preacher in a local newspaper for a sermon he delivered at a Fort Wayne Church. So. Number one, a couple of things. This kid is growing up wealthy enough that he has like a neighbor and a an uncle who are both like generals and they kind of he's like giving speeches and **** at at commencements for colleges and **** by the from the time. He's a little kid. Yeah. So he he grows up. He's like a speech and debate boy, you know, like that that's the energy we've got here as a speech and debate boy, I can tell you there's very few things in the world more dangerous. And he's. Because the salesman, right. The traveling salesman, too. Well, his dad is OK. No, no, this is the kid. So this is the kid. But he's got his dad's influence in there, so he knows how to convince people to do what he says. Yeah, his dad's a salesman, and he's got these ******* generals teaching him how to give public speeches. He's hanging out with a guy who wrote Ben Hur. Yeah. Yeah. Recipe going. Yeah, we got a great recipe going. This is going to end well. So Williams spent his early childhood in the town of Wabash. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but ******* it's Illinois. Is there a state that matters less? No. **** em. I grew up in Glen Carbon for a while anyway, at age 14, which was generally considered adulthood back then. He left home for Battle Creek, MI. There he got a job as the bellboy and kitchen attendant at the Battle Creek Sanitarium, run by America's great come Doctor John Harvey Kellogg. Now. Yeah. Ty, you just listen to these episodes. What are your big takeaways on Kellogg? I just. I've never heard of a man more. Obsessed with children's ************ habits? That is for sure true. It was very, uh, yeah, Acer. Yeah. I don't wanna I. This is probably a bad way to frame it, but there are pedophiles less interested in that. I yeah, yeah, it was it was a lot. I was like, oh, Jesus Christ, rob. Well, there are. Sorry. I just crossed. You've got this whole career around it, though, and was, like, obsessed with studying it. It was some freaky deaky ****. Yeah. It's not cool, right? Like, no, it's really pretty. A real problem, the degree to which this guy was interested. And how kids masturbate. And he also he loved colonics. He loved shooting water up people's ********. Yeah, he invented machines to more effectively had to shoot yogurt up ******** and stuff. We did a couple episodes on John Harvey Kellogg with the Great Miles Gray. Check them out. But in brief, Gray was like, like Sadler's Mom, a 7th Day Adventist. He believed sex was the root of most evil, and the way to keep people peer was to avoid stimulating them. He also believed in physically assaulting victims of child sex abuse as a way to treat them. Not a great guy, he was the most prominent Seventh-day Adventist in the country at the time. Possibly ever again. This is the guy Kellogg's comes from, so he's pretty big name, right? Yeah, most most people have a product that came out of his fascination with come somewhere in their house. Yeah, it was like, I'll never be able to look at corn flakes the same again. No, you shouldn't cornflakes. Which by the way, for listeners of our old. Podcast worst year ever corn flakes are the exact texture of Mitch McConnell's ejaculate. Which is like, scabs. He comes. Scabs, Mitch McConnell comes scabs, Robert, Sophie, Sophie, we want, we want. Tito, come back and do this podcast and enjoy it and enjoy it and say it's time to go to Cocoa Puffs. But I get the feeling that's probably Kellogg's, too, so I don't know. Well, Cocoa puffs is kind of what Josh Hawley ejaculates, although they are flavored like Josh Hawley. What? Sophie, this is science, OK? You can't censor science. No, this is pain. This appeared, this left wing cancel. Culture has gone too far. Alright, Robert, move on. So Doctor Kellogg takes saddler under his wing. Sadler starts off Will Young William at age 14, starts off basically doing janitorial stuff. But Kellogg takes a shine to the boy and he gives William a spot in the Adventists Battle Creek College, where he learned to become a minister. At first he graduates in 1894. And gets hired by Kellogg as a salesman for the sanitarium health food line, which was distributed by Kellogg's Cornflake companies. So this guy starts off as a cornflake salesman. Now the late 1800s are a time in which white people absolutely hated come. And William did very well in selling anti come serial to concerned parents and state institutions. He persuaded his boss, but at the best way to sell their antiquum cereal was to do active demonstrations in grocery stores. And again the the primary. I'm not just bringing up the *** because it's fun to say. Come the primary selling point for Kellogg's Cornflakes is that they don't stimulate you so you're not aroused, right? Like, particularly so your kids won't touch themselves. I don't know how you demonstrate that in a grocery store. Try that serial, ma'am. Do you feel like jacking off? No, you don't. It's done it. Like, I don't actually understand. It's just so wild to me that. I don't know what a bleak time in in in it's a horrible time to be alive. I I can't think of many times I would less want to be alive than this period of time in the United States. Like, what a nightmare. Go back to the Roman Empire. Sure, there's less medicine, but at least you're getting drunk on lead wine and ******* right like. Jesus so. He started and one of the things that this means because he comes up with this idea of, hey, let's take our, our, our cereal to grocery stores, he's kind of a pioneer in the free sample at grocery store food advertising business. So there you go. William Sadler invents, helps invent sample culture. That's kind of neat. He must have been some salesman, though. To be like, this is the most bland cereal of your life by it, and people bought it like, that's that's some salesmanship there, right there. I think you're starting from like, you know what God hates when you're at all excited ever. God wants you to be like, perpetually in a state of, like, on we. So eat these corn flakes, you'll feel nothing. God, you know, that's not too far. What a sad time to be a hero. Yeah, no. This is more or less like where where Christian conservatives have always been, except for now they have a a real hard on for guns that they didn't used to have. Anyway, it was a different time. So Sadler was a massive prude. He formed the Young Men's Intelligence Society while he was working at Battle Creek. This was a volunteer detective outfit with the aid of working with US, the US Post Office, and the Comstock Society for the Suppression of Vice to arrest printers and retails of ***********. So he becomes a volunteer anti **** detective. Oh my God, I can't imagine a bigger nerd in my life. I know he's the biggest ******* wet blanket. He's such, he's such a good anti **** detective that he gets part-time detective work at a couple of big government agencies and is offered a job at what would become the FBI. Or at least he claims that he gets offered a job that would become the FBI. There's no evidence of this, but yeah, he's the OG in cell he has. He's ******* strong in cell energy here. So in 1895, Doctor Kellogg told Sadler that he had to attend the Moody Bible Institute in Illinois and learned to be an evangelist, and he eventually becomes, you know, ordained. He does all the does all the good Adventist Jesus stuff. He also gets promoted to lead doctor Kellogg's Lifeboat Mission in Chicago, which sought to revitalize Skid Row through cornflakes. Over the next decade, Sadler met and married John Kellogg's niece Lena, and had a son who died immediately and a second son who did not die. The dead son seems to have ignited an interest in both, uh, Kellogg or in both Lena and in William to study medicine and this. That's interesting. So both his his parents lose a kid and it makes them religious, and then William and his wife lose a kid and it makes them decide to become doctors. William is said to have told his wife after their kid died. Quote you can have another baby. And perhaps in the meantime, since you've always wanted to do it, we can study medicine, which is like an interesting way of comforting her over the death of a child. Comforting, thank you. Look, you can have another and we'll become doctors. So they moved to San Francisco, they go to medical school, they do more missionary **** yadda yadda yadda. Eventually they get their degrees and they head back to Michigan. In 1901, Sadler is ordained as an elder in the Adventist Church, which is like a minister or a priest, basically. And yeah, for a while things are good. They're happy in the faith. Their big names at the Battle Creek Sanitarium? He's basically doctor Kellogg's right hand man. But at around 1905, both Doctor Kellogg and Doctor Sadler begin to have issues with perhaps the only member of the Adventist Church more prominent than Doctor Kellogg. Her name was miss misses Ellen G White. She had been born in Maine in 1827 when she was nine. She was hit on the head with a rock by another student and permanently disfigured. The Rock sent her into a coma that lasted for several months and as you might guess. She would later claim that the severe head injury brought her into communion with God. This is a common story with people who claim to have talked to God as severe head injuries. So if you want your kid to become, you know, a prophet, hit him in the head with a rock. That's our that's the official. That's just how. Recommends, on the advice of our medical experts, if you want your kid to talk to God, hit him in the head with a rock. Sophie, can we play that, that ad from Big Rock? We can't. But I was just going to say that for some of the things they put on radio, I wouldn't be there. Yeah, yeah, well, it is time for an ad break, so. Sponsors both the. Concert tour and also hitting kids in the head with rocks. So go do both. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. 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We're like tiptoeing around our ads. And then you're just like, yeah, go buy this ****. And I'm like, you know, let's have a little more fun. Why this **** hit a kid with a rock? Alright, so. We're back. So Ellen White gets hit in the head with a ******* rock, talks to God, and for the next part of this story I'm going to quote from a write up by Tim Challies, who's some weird religious guy, I think. But whatever quote, when Ellen was twelve, she and her family attended a Methodist camp meeting in Buxton, ME, and there she had a formative religious experience in which she professed faith in Jesus Christ. In 1840 and 1842, she and her family attended Adventist meetings and became devotees of William Miller. Miller had dedicated himself to the study of biblical prophecy and was convinced that. Christ would return on October 22nd 1844 when Christ did not return, a non event that would become known as the great disappointment. Most people abandoned Adventism, but in the resulting confusion Allen claimed to have received visions that were soon accepted as God-given revelation. The small Adventist movement that remained was split by many rifts and much infighting, but Ellen was believed to have a gift that could reunite and guide the movement. Her dreams and visions continued and she quickly became a leader among them. So that's how she winds up running basically running the Adventist. Space she becomes kind of queen **** of Adventism. She moves the religions headquarters to Battle Creek, which is why Doctor Kellogg picks Battle Creek to be the location of his sanitarium. Ellen continues receiving visions and dreams over the next half century. They're collected in a book, testimonies of the church, which eventually takes up 9 volumes. As time went on, her preaching diverged more and more from Christian Orthodoxy. She began to tell people that God does not torture sinners for all eternity, and instead souls are just deleted at the last judgment, which I guess is better. But this makes Christians angry because they want everybody to be tortured for forever. Or at least it makes some Christians angry. So for many years, though, Kellogg and her are thick as thieves. Kellogg is kind of the primary driver of both good press and money for the Adventist faith. And as a result, she starts having revelations that support his health food business. So, you know, as he becomes prominent, she keeps having revelations like, oh God, once you eating cornflakes, you know that good ****. It's cool. It's a good grift, to be honest, and it works. Well, for a while, but overtime, Kellogg grows too powerful because Kellogg's not just in a religious figure. He's like. He's like doctor Oz, except for he doesn't get into politics like he's beloved. Over. How funny that is. That, like, the vision is eat cornflakes. Like, eat cornflakes, don't come shoot yogurt. Up your *******. The Graham crackers and stuff too. Just the blandest food you can imagine. Yeah, it's this mix of the blandest food and shooting yogurt up your *** which I have to think resulted in some weird *** kinks for a lot of people. Like there's a generation of kids who go to the Battle Creek Sanitarium as children and become adults who are into the weirdest **** imaginable. It's just the. The the saddest way to live life. Like, they don't want any. Like I remember you saying from the other episodes, like, no, no feelings at all. Just cruise through with on absolute no emotions. You don't feel any pleasure, but it sounds like they're OK with pain and it's just so strange. Like pain is good because Jesus felt pain, but joy is bad because that part is unclear. It is weird. You know what it sounds a lot like honestly is like ******* George Lucas Jedi where they're like. You're not. You're not supposed to be in love. You're not supposed to be happy. Any good, any kind of emotion is bad. Yeah, they're they're *******. They're ******* Jedi. It's a **** religion anyway, so things are going good for a while, but Kellogg just gets too powerful because not not only is he like a popular Adventist figure, every famous person Henry Ford is going to the sanitarium, all of the famous people in like the early 1900s, late 1800s, wind up at his sanity. ******* Teddy Roosevelt there, I think. And he just gets too powerful. Ellen White is supposed to be like the prophet of the religion, and this guy's ******* outshining her soon. His sanitarium had more than 2000 employees, while the entire church only employed 1500 people for an understanding of the rift that followed. I want a quote from Ellen White's estate, which is very biased and obviously silly, but it gives you a good idea of her side of the dispute. Ellen White warned him against separating the medical work from the church. She also was concerned that he had gathered too much power to himself. Despite Kellogg's attempts to discredit her, she relentlessly tried to save him from apostasy. She even stayed in in his home during the 1901 General Conference session while still writing her appeals to him. But her counsels went largely unheeded, and when the Battle Creek Sanitarium burned in 1902, she saw it as a judgment against Kellogg's teachings and policies. Finally, on November 10th, 1907, the Battle Creek Church dropped Kellogg from membership, a tragic ending, to more than 30 years of powerful influence in the 7th Day Adventist Church. Now there's different versions of this. Kellogg will claim that he quit right and he left because he realized she was a con woman. I think they're both right, but William Sadler follows his mentor into apostasy. Now a different write up from the book urantia, the Great cult mystery by Martin Gardner, gives his side of things. Quote both Sadler and Doctor Kellogg became deeply disturbed by flaws in Mrs White's testimonies, which she insisted were divinely inspired, and by evidence that hundreds of passages in Mrs White's books were copied from earlier works without giving credit to the real authors. Now this happens constantly and like various different spiritualists and religious things. Where people are like getting visions from God and it'll turn out to be plagiarized from someone else's book. We just talked about how Lena Blavatsky plagiarizing a bunch of **** and claiming that it was the Akashic records. It's all good. Are you pilled on the Akashic records type? Yeah, like I do. A lot of deep diving on like esoterica and a cult culture. So Helena Blavatsky is one that I've wanted to super deep dive, but the whole all of the like early late 1800s, early 1900s, a cult following around these people leading up. And I also am very like interested in how it intertwines with like World War Two, like Nazi. Yes Sir, this is I I'll tell you right now. Well, I initially was putting together the Helena Blavatsky episode for you, but then Jamie Loftus sent the head of a goat that she had murdered to my house. Yeah, with with pictures of my children who have not even been born yet. Don't know how she did it. But we had to do those episodes with her. But I put this together because I felt it was still on your occult wavelength. We're talking about a lot of the same things, right? It's going to get more a cold, because blavatsky's kind of beneath the surface of a whole lot of this. And this is a fun occult story, too. But Jamie will not murder my future children, which I don't even plan to have, but. Anyway, that was part of the threat, I think. Uh, hi Jamie, I love. Jamie's a monster. Someone stopper, anyway, so you're perfect. Don't change. Sadler leaves Battle Creek Sanitarium, leaves the Adventist church, and he moves to Chicago to found the Institute of Psychologic Therapeutics, where he had a private practice specialized in surgery. His wife, who was a doctor, and her sister who was a nurse, both assisted him in carrying out operations. They do this from like 1906 to 1910, and then they start to get bored. Of doing surgery and decide to switch practices to become psychiatrists. Now, psychiatry is not like a you don't get a degree, right? You kind of just decide to be a psychiatrist. At this. People are still inventing psychiatry, OK? It's now to be fair, being a doctor, like being a surgeon is like a two year degree, right? Like it's like, it's like it's like going to a trade school to be a welder, you know? Like it doesn't take much time in this. So this is they just kind of decide to pivot. William would later say after taking out 10 gallbladders, there wasn't much charm left and he decided to become a psychiatrist because mines are all different. So basically organs are all the same and it's boring taking them out, but everybody's brain is different, so I want to **** with people's heads. Doesn't sound like his goals were about helping people at all. Well, no, of course not. But it's whatever people are sinners, it doesn't matter. So he and Lena go abroad and they study with the greats of this new discipline in Leeds and Vienna. They attend lectures by Sigmund Freud and sadly really likes Freud. Except for the fact that Freud, if you're not aware, kind of all about sex, right? And like the sexual roots of different like, Freud is one of these guys who's like, whatever is going on in your head as an adult. Is the result of, like, some psychosexual thing that happened when you were a kid. It's your mommy issues. It's your mommy issues. Sadler doesn't agree with that. He thinks that's maybe a part of it, but he's also, he's kind of unique among physicians and scientists in the day, and that he thinks that religion is the primary driving force for the human psyche and not just like, again. There's like a big atheism is starting to come into vogue among intellectuals, and Sadler is very much the opposite of that. He believes that, like, no, there's psycho. Religious elements are like a primary driving force in the human psyche. So. The Saddlers returned to the United States ready to spread the Gospel of Good mental health, and they start being psychiatrist and also become in demand speakers at what's known as the Chautauqua circuit. Now, this is a network of speakers and speaking events in New York State that's like hugely popular among influential intellectuals and artists of the day. It's essentially like a mix between daytime TV and Ted talks like, this is what all of the the great and good are going to these talks and the sadlers are huge. They're really good. Public speakers again. He's been a public speaker since he was like a little boy, and they become very popular doctors. Sadler spent years lecturing about hydrotherapy and primarily drugless remedies for mental health issues. They don't believe in taking medicine for mental health issues. And that's like part of their Adventist beliefs. And even though they've kind of left the church, the things they believed as Adventists become the center of their teachings. So Lena lectures on child purity, which is heavily about keeping your kids pure. William had a men's only class on morals that was about how not to touch yourself. And again, they're very popular doing all this because it's a horrible time to be alive. Now, as with Doctor Kellogg, their overriding goal was the cause of making people better, of improving. The physical state through making changes in their morality and behavior. It's not surprising then, that in 1916 the Saddlers became dedicated fans of an author named Madison Grant and his new best selling book, The passing of a great race. Now. Oh no, you hear race in the title of a book in 1916, and you know this isn't going to go anywhere good, right? Yeah, boy. Marvin Gardner writes, quote America, Grant claimed, was originally settled by a superior stock of Protestant Nordics, a stock rapidly being debased by interbreeding with inferior immigrant aliens. Unless we stem this hybridization, America will go the way of ancient Rome. Blacks, Grant believed, were inferior to all other races. Their mental abilities, he wrote, are in pretty direct proportion to the amount of white blood a black has. Even a mulatto with enough white blood to pass still has traits that may insidiously. Go back to his black ancestry and maybe brought into the white race in this way. How did Grant which to solve the ***** problem? As he phrased it, our nation should enact strict laws against black white marriages and work hard to educate the ***** in birth control techniques that would slow down his rapid breeding. So Sadler falls in love with this guy now. If you're following so far, Doctor Sadler's always been kind of a derivative thinker and a trend follower, right. Doctor Kellogg is the big pop medicine guy in the day. So he falls in with Doctor Kellogg, then he falls in with Doctor Freud. When that guy gets popular. He's also huge into like, you know, the the this kind of pop speaking circuit at the time. He's big about like whatever pseudoscience is going to bring him money and prestige. So this guy goes viral, doctor, or this grant guy's book goes viral. And two years later, in 1918, Doctor Sadler figures out how to mix this fervor for eugenics that Grant had ignited in the United States with germaphobia. Because obviously in 1918 is right after the US decides to enter World War One. So we're getting that whole war fever thing started, right? You can't sell sauerkraut in the United States anymore. So he decides saddler's, like, look, I'm gonna you know what's going to make a ******** of money is if I take this, this racism. And I wrap it in our hatred of the Germans that we suddenly have now because we're getting into World War One. And he publishes a book, long heads and round heads, which is a racial expose of the German people. And this is this is some of that good ****. This is that like anti German racism, it's it's very fun. So the book reveals Saddler's findings that Germany is dominated by two different races. The good race are the Nordics or two tonics. These are blonde haired, blue-eyed people with long heads. They're very intelligent. And Sadler expounds his theory that all great military leaders in history are Nordics, as are all great explorers and adventurers past famous Nordics. Included Cyrus the Great, who was a Persian emperor, Alexander the Great, a Macedonian, Julius Caesar, an Italian Charlemagne who to be fair is actually a German, and Napoleon, who was a Corsican, which are basically discount Italians. So these guys, yeah, I was going to say, like when it's blend in with like all of the occult stuff to they a lot of times, like link, there's there's a big problem like the occult stuff where like atlantians and Venusians. Stuff like the Venusians are supposed to be this like, higher light alien entity, but they're white skinned with blonde hair and blue eyes and it's just like, yeah, funny how that happens. You're describing an alien race, but you're still somehow human racist about it. OK, cool. Yeah, well done. So. The this is this is this is good. So, according to Sadler, in 1918 the only prominent German of Nordic stock or the most prominent German German of Nordic stock was General von Ludendorff, who you might remember from the first Wonder Woman movie or from the 1923 Munich Beer Hall Putsch. Those are his two great hits. Meanwhile, most German soldiers, the actual people fighting in the German army and German field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg who's running the war effort, are members of the. Genetically inferior Alpine race, right? So you've got a few Nordics like Ludendorff who are the smart Germans, and then you've got the dumb Germans like Hindenburg and all of their soldiers who are alpines. Now the Alpines have short heads and dark eyes and Sadler claims that all biologists agree dark eyes are a characteristic of non human mammals. Only primitive humans have dark eyes. So the darker your eyes, the closer you are to primitive humans. This is wild. I just can't. And these people had so much power, like when you it's really weird listening to how intertwined the web is of all of these different individuals and how they created power in that time period and how they still hold power, or their lineage, their family lives, their their corporations or whatever. It's it's honestly like makes you want to leave, leave the planet. No, I think everything's fine. That's my attitude that we're we're good. Everything's cool as a cucumber. Anyway. It's fine. This is all stuff that we're done with now. Yeah, he's over here. OK, yeah. I'm gonna quote again from are you are you still in there? Robert? Robert? Just because all of, like, for example, Q Anon and, like, modern new age *******. Of theology is based heavily on the **** this guy came up with and he is is so racist that he has to split Germany in half based on race. Like, that's all good, that's fine, we're fine. It sucks like being involved in like a like a cult research and stuff and like being because everything I'm getting into, I have to dig into the history and be like, this isn't based in racism, is it? Like I have to ask that question with everything. It's so, so much of it. Like it's, I don't know, there's a few like it's like with them if you're into like Norse paganism. Right. You quickly come to realize that there's exactly two kinds of Norse pagans. There's literal Nazis and then there's like the furthest left, most anti racist people in the world. There's nothing in between. There's no centrist Norse pagans, like they're either literal Nazis or they're actively planning to murder Nazis. There are two guys, and yeah, it's kind of like with occultism, it's either, oh, this is somebody's weird eugenic **** that they threw elves into, or it's it's. It's not, but man, there's not a lot of middle ground. And I'm going to quote again from Martin Gardner here ancient. And this is him talking about Sadler's book about Germany. Ancient Rome's rulers were all Nordic, saddler assures us, but Rome fell because of the decay that followed, a rapid increase of inferior stock. Germany today is suffering from a similar racial degradation. It's superior Nordic stock began to decline after the shameful 30 years war. Since then, Alpines and other inferior strains have become. Dominant. Although many military leaders are still Nordics, the majority of soldiers are stupid, round headed, vicious alpines. This explains the brutal German joy of battle, the love of atrocity and delight and suffering and torture. I'm just again like baffled at it's it's it's creating this US versus them and we've got to make it as superficial as possible so it's easy for dumb people to be like short head bad long head good like it's very Canadian it's very it's I mean it's it's it's it's stupid. But also this is them, this is the this is them like trying to add scientific rigor to racism and also trying to like use it so they these people have individually decided I don't very much like. People who don't look exactly like the kind of white person I am. And so then they're kind of like going back throughout history to find ways in which their specific preferences explain history. So, like, what's actually going on here? Right? When he talks about Alpines, he's talking about people from northern Italy and like, from the the regions of, like, Austria and **** in Switzerland, he's talking about the Alps, right? Like, that's what Alpines are. So in ancient Rome, like, the first goals were people from the Alpines, right? The first, like the Barbarians who would occasionally. I'm an attack Rome and then they get conquered and they become like part of of the Roman Empire. And his argument is that like, well the original Romans were Nordics, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because again they were extremely Italian. But he's claiming that like when Rome went wrong is when they didn't genocide all of the people from the mountains and instead incorporated them into the Roman Empire. It's very, very silly weird historical beef here but saddler primarily used. His book to urge US involvement in World War One, right, because we had a duty to protect the rest of the white race from degenerate Alpine dominance. But he also used it to warn Americans that they were heading in the same curse to direction as Germany thanks to the Civil War. See, the original colonists to the Americas had been all been Nordics, right? Because the only people who explore are Nordics. And since Nordics are also the best warriors, when we had a civil war, all of the fighting on both sides was done by Nordics, who died in huge numbers. They they were replaced by genetically inferior people from depraved chunks of Europe like Ireland and Italy. And again, this is not true. For one thing, a huge chunk of the Union war effort. We're like Irish people, right? And then the South, like the Confederacy, was heavily colonized by Scots Irish people. So, like, on both sides, hell of a lot of Scottish and Irish people. In making this argument, Sadler quoted Madison Grant quote. The result is showing plainly in the rapid decline in the birth rate of Native Americans. And he's not talking about Native Americans, right? He's talking about white people when he says Native Americans. Because the poorer classes of colonial stock, where they exist, will not bring children into the world to compete in the labor market with the Slovak, the Italian, the Syrian and the Jew. The Native American is too proud to mix socially with them and is gradually withdrawing from the scene, abandoning to these aliens the land which he conquered and developed. The man of the old stock is being crowded out of many country districts by these foreigners, just as he is today being literally driven off the streets of New York by the swarms of Polish Jews. These immigrants adopt the language of the Native American. They wear his clothes, they steal his name, and they are beginning to take his women. But they seldom adopt his religion or understand his ideals. And while he is being elbowed out of his own home, the American looks calmly abroad and urges on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his own race. So that's good. It it's weird listening to it too, because it just sounds like still what is like pervading, like Illuminati, like subtext and all of that like, yeah, where it's just it's just secretly like anti-Semitic once you start. Yeah, they all surface. 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Ohh boy that convinced me to overthrow the French government. I don't know about you. Anyway, in 1920, another racist named Lothrop Stoddard wrote a book titled The Rising Tide of Color against White World Supremacy. Now, that's quite a title, and it it goes on to become like the best selling eugenics text of the era. It's like the best selling book in the country for a while. And if you find old copies of this book, the cover art is pretty pretty telling. It shows a globe with a tiny white man and a tricolor hat waving a sword, chasing a very large black man with a spear who's like. Running roughshod over the planet, and again, this is 1920, so standard in 1920 is like, wow, non white people are taking over the whole world, which is quite a time to be thinking that that's like the literal opposite. Yeah, it's it's so again, the thing that he's really concerned with, one of the things that frightens Stoddard is that, like, Asians are migrating to Africa in this. Largely because the British Empire is importing Indian workers to southern Africa in order to like, help them. Labor Gandhi is in South Africa and around this point for that. For that reason, so Stoddard is urging like urges, restricting immigration from non white countries. He wants to force an into Asian migration to Africa because he thinks they'll interbreed and and overwhelm white people. And of course he he wants an end to miscegenation and a separation of what he calls the primary races by law. The New York Times. Huge fan of this guy's book. New York Times cannot get enough of this ****. Good New York Times. Yeah, yeah. Funny how they are always on the wrong side of issues as we look at like a bunch of anti trans **** they've been publishing today. Good on you the New York Times who told people that this Hitler thing was going to blow over? The New York Times loves his book. They recommend it to readers and write quote, Lothrop Stoddard evokes a new peril, that of an eventual submersion between vast waves of yellow men, brown men, black men, and red men whom the Nordics have hitherto dominated. With Bolshevism menacing us on one hand and race extinction through warfare on the other, many people are not unlikely to give Stoddard's book respectful consideration, respectful. Let's respectfully consider that's what I think when I hear this guy yelling. Out. The colored domination of the white race. The rising tide of color. Sorry. There you go. Jesus Christ. Thanks. New York Times. So, one person who took this guy's Lothrop Stoddard, which, by the way, incredible. Racist name, right? You got to give it to him for that, you hear? Like, if I were just to tell you, Ty, there was a guy named Lothrop Stoddard in the 1920s. What do you think his deal was? Yeah, I would. I would not. Probably not want to join his organization. Yeah, yeah, you say like racism. He had to have been some kind of famous racist. Again. I'm a big nominative determinist, and that is a racist name Lafert Stoddard. Yeah, so Warren G Harding is a big fan of this guy. He gives a speech in 1921, which is actually. The speech he gives is noteworthy historically because it's the first time a U.S. President in the 20th century expresses support for full economic and political rights for black people. But Harding only does it under the the the condition that they continue segregation. So. But the mixed bags? Yeah, it's a separate but equal kind of thing, right? Like, that's what. That's what Harding is arguing. And he says, quote whoever will take the time to read and ponder Mr Lothrop Stotter's book on the rising tide of color must realize that our race problem here in the United States is only a phase of a race issue that the whole world confronts. O that's good. Now, if you've read The Great Gatsby in high school right, you've probably run across references to Stoddard's work, Tom Buchanan, the male antagonist in the book and prototypical chud, tells the narrator at one point. Quote, civilizations going to pieces. I've got to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read the rise of the colored empires by this man? Goddard and Goddard in the book is a reference, a thinly veiled reference to to Lothrop Stoddard. Right? So it's interesting. Scott, this Gerald. Not the wokest guy in history, but he's definitely anti eugenics and he recognizes it as like a thing that ****** people advocate. Because that's how it's portrayed in the book, right? It yeah. Is pop science for like, ****** rich psychopath. Good. I was like, Oh no, I like, gotta gotta walk away from The Great Gatsby. But no, no, no, no, no, no. Great. Get like he's specifically Fitzgerald specifically makes the worst guy in The Great Gatsby. Be a fan of Lothrop Stoddard, OK? Yeah. And he's like very much in the book. Basically. What's happening is. Like Tom Buchanan, it's like the equivalent of someone today telling you about, like, Jordan Peterson and what he has to say about trans people. Like, you've got to read what this Peterson man's writing like. That's literally they're the same guy. Lothrop Stoddard is the same kind of, like, public intellectual, and that's what William Sadler wants to be. So Sadler is also in that same vein. He's like this doctor with these fancy academic credentials who's writing, who, like pivots from actually practicing medicine to writing books about how awesome racism is, because that becomes the way. It's like make money. Kind of grifting off of this culture war, fear of like non white people taking over the country. And you know, Sadler and his wife Lena kind of fall perfectly into this movement. They are eugenics opportunists, you might call them. And after, yeah, you might. You might think of him as like the 20s equivalent of like dudes like Dave Rubin and Matt Walsh. He's not the original, he's not like the Jordan Peterson type because, you know, he's kind of following in their footsteps. But he's aping their rhetoric in order to further his own career and his first big you know, he writes that book in 1918 about the Germans. And then after Lothrop Stoddard's book comes out in 1920 and 1922, he writes another copycat racism book called Racial Decadence, in which he claims America's genetic heritage is at risk due to the rapid birth rate of non white people. And, you know, racial decadence sounds like it should be a good book. It does sound like it should be a good book, right? Double. Be coming in until they could show? Yeah, it's a shame giving decadence a bad name. Here's an and again, he's so Stoddard writes this book that's like this very excitingly written pop academic piece. And Sadler kind of rewrites the same book but makes it really, really boring. Like, he turns it into this kind of turgid piece of academic prose. I'm going to read an excerpt from the preface here. And therefore, while not considering these matters in two grave alight, but at the same time taking the mission which hasn't he has endeavoured to fulfill in this and subsequent volumes quite seriously, it will be apparent that if but a little bit has been contributed to the clarification of these basic problems which confront the nation, if but a mite has been added to aid in solving the menacing difficulties discussed in this work, if, but even a trifle has been added to the final turning of the tide of evil influences which jeopardized the white races in general and the American stock in particular, then we will have. Been repaid manifold for the research and other efforts entailed in the writing of this book. He's a **** writer, is what I'm saying. So that's a lot of words to say next to nothing. Yeah, to say very little. We hope this book helps America racism better. So one of Sadler's few new additions to the growing field of racism studies was his idea of the inverse ratio ratio between the genetic health of people and their race and the amount of time they've been away from the soil. Right, so basically. Hate being being separated from the soil makes you like, makes your race degrade, right? Obviously he's not the only person thinking in these terms. The Nazis are going to start espousing this belief in like the sacred value of the soil and bringing people back to the land right around the same. So he's he's, you know, in line with the top thinkers and racism of his day. In 1930, Sadler publishes the truth about heredity. Now, this is a book about genetic science and I I will remind you here, this man never receives a proper education. Almost all of his schooling is through Seventh-day Adventist facilities and then being trained on how to cut people open and then going to some lectures by Freud. So he's like this. His primary understanding of science is like no FAP ideology, right? Like it's **** that the proud boys believe today and then. He starts he. Then he writes a book about heredity, which he does not understand at all. And in fact he gets it so wrong that his mentor Kellogg, like, sends a copy of his book to a book reviewer. To be like, you have to badly review his book because it's a ***** ** **** and he doesn't know what he's talking about and the reviewer doesn't want to get into it because he doesn't want to **** *** Sadler because Sadler's famous, and Kellogg's bummed about that but also won't go against his boy. So it's anyway whatever. **** you, Kellogg. You coward. Babies like, you can't just say there was space, yeah, so there's a bunch of **** in this book that's that's that's pretty ******* racist. Sadler writes that the Civil War was, in his mind, worth fighting quote, either to save the union or to free the Black Man, which is an interesting way of phrasing it. He said that he believed that the black man deserved his freedom, but that this had not made the racist fundamentally equal, and that the fact that people were now trying to treat them equally was going to destroy the United States. And and and in his book, Martin Gardner thinks that a lot of Sadler's racism might be due to the feud that he and Kellogg had with Mrs White, who was believed at the time to have been mixed race. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a thing that Gardner will claim anyway. Just as she had been his partner in his medical practice, Lena Sadler also worked alongside her husband to push eugenics. She wrote a paper in 1932 titled is it Abnormal to become normal? Which was read for the first time at a gathering of the Illinois. Federation of Women's clubs and then reprinted in the Illinois Medical Journal. In it, Lena warns against racial degeneration like her husband and advocates a suite of eugenic measures to stop racial degeneration. Quote here we are coddling, feeding, training, and protecting this Viper of degeneracy in our midst, all the while laying the flattering unction to our souls that we are a philanthropic, charitable and thoroughly Christianized people. We presume to protect the weak and lavish charity with a free hand upon these defectives. All the while seemingly ignorant and unmindful of the fact that ultimately this monster will grow to such hideous proportions that it will strike us down. That the future descendants of the army of the unfit will increase to such numbers that they will overwhelm the posterity of superior humans and eventually wipe out the civilization we bequeath to our descendants. And all this will certainly come to pass if we do not heed the handwriting on the wall and do something. Army of the unfit sounds like a sick metal band name. It does, yeah. Very abelist of Lena. She is a better writer than her husband. That's just more compelling writing than than what you get from from William Sadler. So much flour, more flowery language. But it didn't feel like I was sifting through ******** to try to get one word that it doesn't. And look, it's important, even when we write about racists to acknowledge when when, you know, girl power got stuff done in here, it's really, I think, the girl power. That's what's driving it. Yeah, gas, slightly. No, she's doing it. So the Saddlers published their eugenic screeds alongside a dizzying array of self help books, eventually more than 40 in total. These included the elements of PEP, which I didn't find a copy of but would really like to read, as well as an inspirational collection of Bible quotes for the workplace. So again, they're trend followers, right? That's like a big part of what they're doing and getting into eugenics and all of this ****. And in the wake of World War 1A, new trend arises. That these guys are going to jump in on. And this trend is mediums. Now, if you're not aware, World War One, a lot of people die doesn't not good for people staying alive, World War One. And after a bunch of ******* dudes die in World War One, there's this horrible influenza pandemic that kills even more people. So the new world that comes into being after this in the 20s and 30s is filled with grieving people who are looking for meaning and are also like mourning a bunch of people that they lost. This is a speech keyboard. Becomes popular. This is when that's exactly where we're going. So the Ouija board have been invented in, like, the 1870s, but it doesn't really it's like 1915, nineteen 17 that the WEIJA board starts to, like, go super viral for folks. Spiritualism had obviously started to be a force in the US and European pop culture in the late 1800s, but it kind of, like comes to vogue in the 1870s and declines in the 1890s. But then in the 20s and 30s, it roars back to dominance, and it gets more complicated. In the 20s and 30s because people are more sophisticated. So in the late 1800s it had mostly been like table wrapping and like toe tapping and **** to give you people coded messages from the dead, right? The media would like tap out messages and code and ****. More sophisticated methods like Ouija boards and automatic writing become popular in the 20s and 30s. In the 1917, WB, Yates becomes an evangelist for his wife who claims that she could write automatically, directed by some non human force. Yeats has like a dead. Kid or some **** that inspires him to get into this. In 1918, Arthur Conan Doyle leads a seance with Harry Houdini. We're in his wife wrote 15 pages of messages that she claim had been written by Houdini's mother. Now Houdini does not buy buy this at all, but obviously that doesn't dampen overall enthusiasm for the trend of automatic writing. By 1919, as one writer for the Courier noted quote, mothers and Friends of Fallen soldiers resort resorting to table wrapping, creaking, and automatic writing through the medium of the planned. That wja, heliograph, etcetera in the hope of once more communicating with their loved ones. The heliograph is like this light based device that you can send messages with over distances that again it was another way people would people turned it into a tool for talking to the dead. So a number of folks are not big fans of the fact that everybody starts to get into spiritualism and talking to the dead in this. The author of that Courier article noted his belief that that spiritualism and and medium stuff is a menace. And that those who fell for such scams, or quote gullible imbeciles quote there are many unfortunate beings today in our lunatic asylums driven mad by demonical possession. They are also directly responsible for many suicides in females that often results in hysterics, chronic insomnia, etcetera. And of course Dr Sadler is in agreement with this, so he's not pro medium, he feels that mediums are providing false comfort, and he rails against clairvoyance and claims of channeling spirits and automatic writing. He writes a bunch of articles trying to debunk this stuff talking about how they're not really writing automatically. You know it's in the same handwriting as the original person. All that good stuff. I mean it's super predatory. It makes me think of like modern day YouTube videos where people are like you know so and so so and so YouTube are just died and I'm using Ouija board to contact them or I'm gonna use I'm going to do a Taro spread and and learn about why this true crime case happened. Like it it's yeah it kind of goes after preys upon people who are grieving and. Like you're you're going towards people in their weakest moments and you're giving them information higher. That's like also maybe making them feel some comfort. And so then they feel indebted to you and they and and that's exactly how a lot of the the cult **** happens. Like you get people the weakest moments and that's like, Sadler recognizes this and he calls this out, so he is and he calls us out. He doesn't do this. He's not like a lone truth speaker. He is. He's allegedly. Friends with Houdini, he's friends with another, a magician named Howard Thurston, who's like they're both in, they're all into this, like busting mediums thing. So it's a big business, like these mediums, grifting people is a business. And likewise it's kind of like how on YouTube, right, you've got these people who are like doing this fraudulent, you know, talking to the **** **** and then you have the people who are like debunk their stuff, and that's also very profitable. He's on that end of things. So he's like a popular debunker of what he calls charlatans and frauds. But the reality is that Doctor Sadler, his primary issue, isn't that these people are actually, like, taking advantage of folks. It's that they're making money and getting famous from their con. And and he's not. And so as the 1930s dawned, he starts the process of launching what would go on to become the most influential automatic writing con of this post war spiritualism, boom, the book of Urantia. So that's part one we have. We have set things up in Part 2. We're gonna talk basically as we in part one, he is like a prominent eugenicist and a debunker of automatic writing and mediumship frauds, and in Part 2 he's going to launch, I don't know, I don't know how to describe this thing without just getting into the whole story. So we'll, we'll we'll leave it off here for now, but this ends with the invention of celestial seasonings sleepytime tea. To combat this, yes, boy, it's a story. But first, Ty, you know what else is a story? What is the story? You're puggles. Ohhh. Hey, what's up? I am hey shady lady. I'm a one of the four Co hosts on the Boss Level Podcast, which is also produced by iHeartRadio. We spend a lot of time interviewing really wonderful people from the gaming industry especially like highlighting the diversity behind the gaming industry and the streaming industry. So a lot of fun over there. And then I'm also, I'd also do Twitch. YouTube I'm hey, shady lady everywhere. Well, I am not, hey, shady lady anywhere. 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