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Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:00
Part One: The Man Who Invented Fascism
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I've never felt more like a hack and a fraud than I am when I'm on this work. But what? Why is that? I don't think I'm smart enough for this. No, I am. Well, the point of this podcast is nobody's very smart or none of these people would be getting away with all the **** they get away with. True, true, true, true. No, I'm very happy to be here. Thanks for having me back. I'm excited to know what? Thank you ****** is out there ******* up the world. Well, Shereen, I'll tell you who we're talking about. Today, OK. I wanna ask a question of you first OK what in your mind qualifies someone as a ladies man, a ladies man. No. Umm. Someone that's like a charismatic, smooth talker, you know, maybe he gets away with a lot of like things that. The less capable person would get away with, Umm yeah, that's that's that's a really interesting one. He's popular, but. Uh. I don't know. Like, you know, like if someone's a creep and they're good looking, you give them a pass because they're good looking. Like, not like you, but like I was saying, like the general Society. I kind of think of that as like a ladies man. But also it can be a good kind of ladies man and be nice to ladies. I treat them well. Right. It is a double edged sword. Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've known some guys that I would, I would describe as ladies, men who were very respectful and I've known some guys who are ladies, men who were like absolute sociopaths, like it's but it always is. One of the two, they're either like the best person, you know, and they're just incredibly charming because they're really decent people or they're utter like soulless monsters. Yeah. I think there's definitely middle ground. There's definitely a dichotomy there where there's like one side where they're like charismatic, the life of the party. Everyone is like. Attracted to them like a magnet on the other side where it's like a dark, brooding they just got all the girls because they're just like, yeah, rude. Yeah, yeah. Well, today, Shereen, we are talking about the quintessential ladies man, one of the men, in fact, for whom that term was coined. And the guy we're talking about today is also the inventor of the concept of fascism. That's a nice little blend of attributes. Yeah, yeah. This this is this is a hell of a tale. So I'm, I'm, I'm curious for a woman's perspective on this. Guys, I don't fully understand this guy's appeal, but it was undeniable, like, in his lifetime. But I find him baffling. So maybe you can help me make sense of this. I will try my best. Have you ever heard of Gabrielle D'annunzio? Alright, well, neither had I really, until I I started digging into him a little bit back. So, so he's not very well known today outside of Italy, but he is an important figure. So Gabrielle D'annunzio was born on March 12th, 1863 in the city of Pescara, Italy. Now the nation of Italy itself was only about two years old when he was born because it had just, you know, like after the Roman Empire fell, it had mostly been a collection of city States and big chunks of it had been ruled by other countries. Kingdoms and ****. So, like, Italy had just started being a thing, like, in the modern sense, when this guy's born and Pescara, his hometown, was a small coastal city buttressed by mountains and pine trees. It was not a particularly like, hustle and Bustle Place and Gabrielle's father, Francisco Paulo, was the mayor. Today, we'd probably consider Gabriel's family to have been upper middle class. His dad was a small time landowner and a wine merchant with a terrible habit of spending much more money than he could actually afford. So they made a good living, but they were always kind of like. On the edge of their means now as the biggest man in town because, uh, Francisco Paulo was, you know, the mayor, he needed to be seen displaying conspicuous wealth. So some of Gabrielle's earliest memories during Carnival were of his father standing on the balcony and tossing gold and silver coins down into a crowd of partying, poor people, which was like, not just his dad did that in any town. The guy who occupies his position, that's like a tradition to you show off your largesse, right? So he was going to be able to like he was perceived. No. No. Well, I mean, I think he was very popular here. Yes, he was perceived as a good guy, but this was also like, what you do if you're if you're there. You're the richest man in town. You throw money into crowds on carnival. It's just what happens. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's traditions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I prefer other forms of income redistribution, but that ones not the worst. Yeah, yeah. It's better than what we have now, where they don't do that at all. Yeah, just hard at all. Yeah. So I can imagine. I can imagine, like, if that happened now, it would be like very riotous, like just clamoring for that $1.00 or like whatever cent is on the ground, if you really mean, you know, because times are rough. Times are rough. I I do think if, like, I wonder because like I think part of why so many rich people are are against both Warren and and Sanders, who both have wealth redistribution platforms, is that they like they. And they while they're in favor of like, charity and stuff, is number one, they spend less money on charity but #2, like, then it's them. Then everybody gets to see like, oh this, this great rich person bought this hospital as opposed to like, well, this guy paid his taxes, right? Like one of those feeds. There you go. More maybe for like, look, you have to give up X amount of money, but you can toss it into a crowd of partying people. Like, let's see, it's compromised. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good question there. I mean, yeah. So Francisco Paulo, like, you know, Gabrielle's dad, he grows up like, seeing him doing all this stuff. He's very ostentatious and displays of wealth or a big part of his childhood. His dad also had a hobby of dying doves in a variety of colors, using, like, new high tech dyes at the time and letting them fly around inside. House, which is weird. Interesting hobby. They didn't have TV or radio, so you know, they have to entertain themselves by. Yeah, torturing animals is about all you got. Wow, that's quite the quite the activity. I don't want to keep, like, leading back to my pro dog fighting agenda, but you know, in a time with less entertainment, you have a pro dog fighting agenda. I've been out of the loop. I'm some dog fights, OK? Some dog legal dog. No, I'm never talk about. So as a young boy, Gabrielle was the beloved center of his family's world. He had a brother and three sisters, but Gabrielle's family immediately recognized that he was special and treated him that way. And generally, when we say someone was a child genius, on this podcast, we're repeating the lies of a narcissist. This is not the case with Gabrielle. Basically, everyone who's ever covered this guy, ever written about him, agrees that he was like everyone kind of knew he was a genius from a very early age. His most prominent biographer, Lucy Hughes Hallett, absolutely despises him. And thinks he was a monster, but repeatedly emphasizes that just everyone who knew him as a kid recognized that. This kid's brilliant, right? So he's he's not exact lying about that now. Gabrielle was a mama's boy, later writing of his mother that her glances made my heaven. He was surrounded by women from an early age. Made sisters and aunts and his grandmother. He was the center of their world. And he in turn learned how to manipulate and to please women. Adoring female. Yeah, exactly. That is something like all the guys I know. Who? Who? I would describe that way. Most of them grew up with, like, either a single mom or like a. But like, like, usually they grew up raised primarily by women. I think they definitely have to have a female influence so they could understand how a female brain can work. Not that it works so different, radically different, but it does in some certain, like, circumstances with, like, intimacy and bonding. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's kind of like, it's just like you grow up like wanting because they're like the center of your world, like really wanting to please the women around you and then as you go out. To the world that remains like one of the centers of your your being. Yeah. And I do think that's sorry. No, go ahead. Sorry. I keep saying, yeah. And agreeing and then it sounds like about say something more. But I have nothing profound to say. But I will say that I think having being raised around women and understanding women in the real world, that leaves you to almost like, speak their language and you're able to like, establish a bond with someone like immediately better than like someone else. It's not like that doesn't have sisters. It wasn't raised by a single mom because there's already like this understanding there and I think that gets you in there bubble. You know, you break that barrier so much easier because if you raise mostly amount around men like I was, you, you, you, you grow up starting every conversation with just a series of fist fights and and that that only works in certain situations. Yeah, it's very helpful at like the Taco Bell but outside of that the Taco Bell really. You're to get into. I can navigate a Taco Bell like nobody else. It's just a bunch of right crosses, but yeah, yeah, good. Anyway, good to know. So Pescara, the city he was born in, is located in a region of Italy called the Abruzzi. And there was vanishing, and it it was kind of like a rural area, so there was vanishingly little to do there outside of religion. And basically any monuments around him were either churches or these perilously carved caves that had once been occupied by monks and been turned into like sites of worship and faith. There was a mix of extremely strict. Catholicism and ancient Italian Pagan traditions like fortune telling, palm reading and other manners of like what we'd call witchcraft. One of Gabrielle's earliest memories was being taken in by an aunt of his who was a not a monk, a a nun into a part of the convent where males were not allowed to go and then breathlessly watching her perform like a Pagan fortune telling ritual. So he grows up both with this intense like ritualistic Pagan influence in his life and also with a lot of his earliest memories being because he's seen as. Special taken into places he's not allowed to be. Those are both kind of like, you can see like the kind of person that makes like this idea that, like, the rules don't apply to me, like I'm not bound by the same things as everyone else. And then the world proves him right by letting him, like fall into place, he's not allowed. So it's like a self filling prophecy absolutely proves it right now. Gabrielle was never religious and nursed all of his life, a deep contempt for priests, but he also grew up with an abiding love of ritual and the trappings of faith, if not at any actual. Like belief in faith, he would later write of himself. Quote I come from an ancient breed. My ancestors were anchorites in the mayea. They flagellated themselves to the blood came they throttled wolves, they stripped Eagles of their feathers, and they scratched their seals on giant rocks with the nail Helen took from the cross. So damn, a lot of Pagan influence. Yeah, you could say now, Gabrielle Denunzio was an infamous liar, but the books and stories he published later in his life give us deep insight into the sort of things he would have experienced as a boy in Pescara. Because writers write what they know. So I'm going to quote now from the biography of Gabriel Denunzio, titled Gabriel Denunzio, poet, seducer, and Preacher of War, by Lucy Hughes Hallett. And this is a quote from that biography about one of his early books, quote in de Nunzio's first story, set in or around Pescara. He conjures up a place where the bustle of port and barracks and market are contrasted with the frustration of women confined to small, dark rooms who watched the life of the street through chinked shutters or small high windows. The church bell clangs out, the hours priests pass in the streets carrying. Extreme unction to the dying young people, strictly segregated as a rule, furtively press up against each other in the merciful darkness when the church lamps her extinguished and Holy Week to Mark Christ's passion. Funerals the bierre, followed by a long lines of hooded mourners, their faces covered all by but a slit for the eyes, or processions of girls and sacrificial white on the way to their first Communion, provide the town's main spectacles. Many of the stories denunzio related about his childhood concerned, dying animals. There was the death of his little Sardinian horse, a Bay with a white muzzle named Aquilino, whom he would feed. With apples and sugar lumps in the piece of the nighttime stable, there was the quail the farm manager gave him in a cage made of twigs. Half a century later, Denunzio could still recall how the tiny creature had dashed itself against its makeshift bars, gashing its head until the bone showed on killing days, the howling of stuck pigs and their blood spurting into base, and so appalled him that he would hide in a corner, face to the wall, his hand over his contorted mouth. Life scared me as though it stalked me with a pig sticking knife in hand. After the massacre, he sobbed all night. So that's that's a little insight into his childhood. ****. That he's not a bad writer. No, that's that's he wrote that about himself. So, yeah, like a lot of that included a lot of quotes from him, yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah that's I mean he he's called a poet and a seducer is what I remember from your scripts. The biography title. Yeah, I mean that's very poetic. That's a very graphic way to describe everything. The bone and the Jesus Christ. What an intense what an intense life. One of the things Lucy Hughes Hallett. His biographer emphasizes is that he was really his writing at a real visceral quality just in the way he like both. The way he described bodies and like his romance books and like in the way. He, like wrote about like it was there's a lot of blood. A lot of a lot of like he was one of those like shove your hands into the meat kind of writer right, which is part of why he he had such an impact on people. But I'm getting ahead of myself anyway back to Gabriel. He had almost been choked by his call while he was being born and because people are dumb. This was the focus of much superstition babies Born This Way in Italy were believed to have the second site. And the call itself was supposed to protect the person from drowning. Now, the call, if you aren't aware, is the amniotic membrane that surrounds a fetus. Gabriel's parents dried his and put it in the little silk bag, which they hung around his neck for his entire childhood. So that's cool. That's so fascinating because if he was already born with this idea that, like, this child, a second sight, this child is special. Like, how much of it is nature versus nurture? Like, how much of it was like, I know I'm special because everyone's telling me I'm special and how much of it is like, you have a genius brain. And it just so happens that. Number one already knew that about you. Like, like, that's so fascinating. How much of it was him living to the standard that everyone had of him, and how much of it was just like actual intelligence? I don't know. His his whole story has convinced me that my idea towards how you should raise a child is correct. Which is when they're five, you put them out in the woods with a knife and you just you leave them. And if they come back home, if they find their way back home. You know, then they get to continue to grow up. And if not, well, you know, I don't mean this in a bad way, but I don't want you to have kids anytime soon. I'm just gonna say if if someone had done that to Gabrielle, he's not gonna grow up thinking he's special. You know for sure you're out in the woods with all the other five year olds, and you have to form your own society if you're gonna get back to to your parents. And then and then you learn humility. Yes. And, like, they must have had an awful life. I mean, not awful, but they must have had very much, like, a complex about themselves with this, like, special profit child around them all this time, right? I don't. I don't know much about how his siblings thought of him. He was very charming. And you do get the impression that everybody was kind of in love with him when he was. So he got away with it. He got away with everything. Yeah. OK, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, his most significant childhood memory was of one of his sisters showing him a fake Pearl. And he was so taken with the object that he immediately started climbing the nearest tree to steal an egg from a bird's nest, because kids are ******* stupid. His parents rescued him before he fell down and killed himself, and they freaked out about the whole ordeal. And I'm going to quote from his biography again. His parents were there, his mother trembling, his father Palin threatening to beat him. He was lifted back through the window and laid faint and shaking on a bed. In retrospect, he saw them, the mother, Father, child as a secular Trinity. His aunts hung over him, weeping as the Sorrowing marries, wept over the dead Christ. But the family's communion was interrupted. The crowd now gathered in the street, believing the child to be dead, began on the chilling ululations customary at funerals. Gabrielle's father picked him up and carried him. Limp and white faced back out onto the balcony. The keening turned to shouts of joys, describing the incident in old age, Denunzio made of this, his first balcony appearance, a portent. He was marked out from childhood. So he asserted for a public life. So this is like defining childhood memory is almost dying on a tree and like the whole town turning out because they hear his parents and all shouting and yeah, and this is basically, this is he's recounting this from his memory. So there's, there's an element of like loftiness that's in this memory. That is he was a child. There's no way there's every, like every time you remember something it becomes distorted. So yes, by the time he's recounting this, I'm sure it's not 100% factual, but. Will say that I went from like having this like Christ image of everyone like gathered around him and being sad to like The Lion King of like, yeah. But being on like Pride Rock on this balcony, there's like lifting up this child. Being like this will save us. I think he sees himself a little bit that way. Yeah. He definitely sees himself as a Christ like figure. And he was like, he was absolutely a narcissist. Like, there's not a doubt in my mind that this guy was in the way he recounts his own memory is very telling of. Yeah. Now, his school reports from the time described him as very unbelieving in God and as a boy. His favorite books were Paradise Lost and Kane by Byron, both of which were epics about heroes who rebel against God. In school, he got in trouble for telling his teachers who were priests that if God existed, he was a villain or an imbecile who created mankind to amuse himself by watching us suffer, which is not an unreasonable theory. No, I kind of feel the same way a lot of the times. Yeah, I can get on board with that. Yeah, I feel like if you were at all. A thoughtful person. You at least consider that possibility at some point in your childhood. It's like, what the **** is going on in this world? Yeah, I mean, like when I was twelve, I told my mom I didn't believe in God because I just, like, I thought he was so cruel and just, yeah, amusing himself by making everyone suffer. And then she started crying and I was like, oh, I'm too young to be speak my mind. I should keep it to myself. But I will say that's a very normal thing for a child to think, especially if he's being raised by God, loving God, fearing people. So. Yeah, I, I I think even if you wind up being very religious, at some point, if you pay attention to the world, you have to wonder is, is is. If there's like a space guy in charge of all this, is he a ******* lunatic? Like, what the hell is happening up there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's he's he's on the money. With at least that you will agree at this point so far, you got me there. You, Gabrielle, grew up in an exciting time for Italy. Giuseppe Garibaldi had conquered Sicily in 1860 with just 1000 men, defeating the vastly superior military of the Bourbon monarchy. King Victor Emmanuel had united Italy as a single policy for the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire. Nationalism was sweeping all throughout Europe in this. But nowhere was it stronger than Italy, and nowhere in Italy was it stronger than in the heart of young Gabrielle de Nunzio. So the idea of being Italian very new at this point, for most of history, you hadn't. No, nobody would have cared. Nobody thought of themselves as Italian. You thought of yourself as a Venetian. You know, I'm a I'm a Roman, I'm a whatever, a Florencia or Florentine, whatever the **** they call people from Florence. But there's this new found, like nationalism that was, like very prideful and from from an early age. He really identifies with this as an Italian. And he's kind of one of the very first, like, major Italian thinkers in the Italian peninsula to identify as an Italian. Now, when he was 11 years old, Gabrielle's parents sent him off to a boarding school. Sisodia. Janini. Cesolini. Jesus. This is, like, supposed to be my ancestral tongue, and I don't know anything about it, so I apologize. I did not know that. Yeah, my my whole family is very Italian. We came in, like, the 1890s on a boat to the to the US. But, yeah, they come from, like, Transalpine Gaul, like the the chunk of the Alps that's on the Italian side of the peninsula. That's fascinating. Look at you now. Yeah, look at me now. At the time, sending your kid off to this boarding school was like the thing to do for wealthy parents. But I think in a modern terms, we would consider this schooling experience to be profoundly abusive. One of the school's rules was that new pupils could not return home. Not for holidays, not for summer vacations, not for any reason. For their first four years, from age 11 to 15, Gabrielle is just in this school, totally isolated from this very loving family that he's grown up in. So it goes from this, like very safe, nurturing place where he's like the center of the world. Be cold boarding school run by priests who show no warmth or emotion or compassion to any of their charges. Yeah, he describes the sesoni and letters home as a prison. His only escape was a daily walk around the grounds. His letters home to his parents became almost fervidly loving and cloying, agonizing over bright memories of his childhood and obsessing over the pain of his absence. Lucy Hughes Hallett, Gabriel's biographer, suspects that this environment caused him to grow a shell that was at least partly responsible for the fact that he grew up into the sociopaths sociopath. Ever path sosies. That is yeah, it's great. It's a great line. And I guess it must have been jarring to go to a place that you weren't, like, revered constantly. And I guess it it kind of destroys my thesis that making children survive alone in the woods for months would would stop them from becoming monsters. Well, your theory is is that you would do that at a young age, before they had a chance to think that they were messiahs. But you're right, Shireen. My theory is bulletproof. My theory of child theory is not. Couple of proof, I will say. It's fascinating and I will say to use a condom, but continue. Now, at a certain point, Gabrielle seems to have replaced the affection he once expressed for his parents with a love of Italy at age 13. After two years in the Sogni, he wrote that he had two missions in life quote to teach the people to love their country and to hate the enemies of Italy to the death. And now I'm obviously not a child development expert, but this does not seem like healthy behavior to me is a general rule. I think children shouldn't focus on hating the enemies of their country to the death. I feel like that's led people in bad directions. Same army? Yeah. Generational army, yes, that's that's how you make the Nazis. Gabriel's devotion to his nation was not, however, selfless. He seems to have been obsessed with Italy, primarily as a vessel to express his own greatness. One of his school reports from the time notes he is entirely dedicated to making a great name for himself. He signed one of his earliest photographs, a picture that he sent home to his parents with two glory. So yeah, all right. Now, sorry, yeah, any other child probably would have been ripped mercilessly for this kind of arrogance, but it must be said, Gabrielle backed up his words with deeds. He learned to play the violin and the flute and to sing expertly on holidays. He would translate ancient Greek literature into Italian. He wrote ceaselessly, and when study time ended, every evening he would collect the excess lamp oil from the other boys so he could stay up all night writing. He was always at the very top of his class, and at one point he wrote home to his mother that he was angry he'd been allowed to skip a test. Because, quote, I am certain I would have taken the 1st place. At age 16, he could speak and write fluently in Italian, Greek, Latin, English, French and Spanish. So, so he's not. He's so my theory about nature, nurture, OK, there's definitely an element of him being intelligent. Smart? Yeah, he's a smart kid, but my but it is a very interesting idea just to, I don't know, like you can be smart and not a ******* lunatic. Yes, and he definitely. I know. We'll we'll we'll we'll tell you where this goes. But before we talk more about Gabrielle Denunzio, we're going to talk about some ****** ******* products and a *** **** service or three. It's going to be great. OK. You ready for this **** serene? I'm so ******* ready. Robert Aldi's ads Italian Robert, that I've just learned. OK, I'm going to shut up pizza. That's only me. It's OK. 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So have you gotten all the anti Italian bigotry out of your system now Shereen? I didn't mean it Robert. Roberto, thank you. I'm taking my own grave. I do. Like, you should have known I was Italian by like the the, the the frequency with which I gesture with my hands. You're allowed to say that. But I'm not, am I? No. I think everyone is allowed to recognize that about Italian people. Well, they say that about Middle Eastern people, too. They're very. We're an expressive bunch. Well, in like, yeah, it does like, it's like, actually Italy's not super far from the Middle East. Like it's just literally across, like a stream from we're cousins. Yes, yeah, yeah. That there's a reason why we were every Arab related to my big fat Greek wedding. We're all the same. We're all that whole region. The Mediterranean is all the same. We all show both our love and hatred with food. Very true. Very true. So the month he turned 16, Gabrielle 's very first poem was published. It was an ode to King Umberto. Now Gabrielle Father Francesco Paolo had it printed and handed out to townsfolk who showed up to take part in the king 's birthday celebrations and normally when someone 's dad helps them publish their work. It's a sure sign that that work is no good. But this was not the case with Gabrielle less than a year later, his father helped him publish his first book of poetry called Primo. Vera now right out of the gate. It was clear that Gabrielle de Nunzio was an incredible poet, he sent copies of his book. Up to several of the greatest Italian poets of the day. And most of them wrote him back with, like, very positive things to say about his work. And he's getting he's again. He's 17 at this point. Yeah. A number of them even invited him into their homes and gave him advice. And counsel's critics raved about his work. The priests at his boarding school considered banning the book because it had powerfully ****** subject matter. It contained lines, like with trembling agitation, I laid you on the water lilies and kissed you with convulsed lips crying. You are mine, like a Viper. You writhed and groaned. So, like, the priests are like, this is way too much ******* to allow in our religious school, but in the field his, his, his cause, that must have been like, **** yeah, this is what I wanted. They didn't ban the book, they wanted to, but they decided that his use of Italian was so perfect in his verse form was so exquisite that they couldn't ban the book. It was just too well written. So like, yeah, they decided to allow because like, but like, **** the dude can write like that's how good the the poem. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, especially for the time, it must have been a very revolutionary thing to even write about. Well, you know, they are Italians, so, yeah, like they this, this is like you're, you're going like there's always been more of this kind of like acceptance of sort of like the passion the. Yeah, yeah. It is a very Italian thing. That's true. And I, I can't, I'm not going to have a lot of quotes from his poems in here just because like a big part of them is that he was such a good. Writer in the Italian language. So like the translations. Yeah, you lose a lot, I think. But it's universally recognized that this guy is one of the greatest poets in Italian history. And some people will say, including he would say that he was the best Italian writer since Dante. I love that. You said including him. Yeah, he was, he was, he was sure of that. Most modern, like academics will say no. He was one of a number of people, but he's at a very high level. Like he's, I mean, had a big impact on the language. I just hate that he is so. I mean, it's fine to be confident and know you're worth, but to say that you're the best writer since Dante, that's like such a I don't know, that's ******* wild, but so he he was never a victim or he he never suffered from. Critical Posture, syndrome of nepotism. Like he even though he had such obvious nepotism in his life. Like, like, yeah, like advances and and privileges. No one ever, no one ever saw that as any kind of issue. I think his work is just so good that, like, people like, well, **** like, I mean, yeah, he definitely comes from money. His dad is able to help him, but like his work does seem to stand on its own. Interesting. I don't think that I'll give you that. Like like, most academics who write about him now, like, agree that he was a monster. A ***** ** ****. But pretty much everyone agrees he was really good at writing poems. Imagine if Hitler was good at painting. Yeah, it it's weird. You get this mix of dictators like Saddam and Hitler who are like wannabe artists but suck at it, and then you get guys like Stalin. Like Stalin was a poet in his youth and was a really well regarded Georgian poet. Like he gave it up after a while, but he was like considered to be very good and still is. No, I'm I'm obsessed with poetry. Poetry is so powerful and I write poetry. I think there's a there's a such a power in using the written word, and it can garner so much attention and and respect, especially back then because there wasn't like the Internet, but. But yeah, I. It's it's it's it's a fascinating thing to in this case. So you have to separate the art from the artist and we, we, we, we go through right now with filmmaking like someone makes a great film and you find out they're a pedophile. So it's like it's this balance of like someone can make something so profound and so incredible but also be a complete waste of space or like a ***** ** ****. So there's it's still going on now and I think it's just fascinating to to see it back then as well with poetry. I don't know. Yeah. And it's. You to understand, you have to understand what poetry was back then too. Because, like, now there are people like, people like poems. Most everybody has at least a couple of poems that they've enjoyed. But it's not like, it's not like a huge thing at the center of life for us back then. Like, to be honest, at least the the feeling I get is that like poets at this. Particularly in Europe, kind of occupy the space culturally, that like an Instagram or a YouTube star, like occupies now, like they have these legions of utterly devoted fans, like a pop star. Like they they are like, like the closest you can, like the the the best poets of the day, guys like Byron, like the closest modern, like, like comparison would be someone like Beyoncé, like. That's the level of of devotion that their fans have to know. It was like that in the Middle East, too. There's this poet kind of from similar roots, like he came from privilege. He was rich. His name is. Darko Bunny, he's an amazing poet in the Middle East. He's Syrian from Damascus and he was regarded as like a celebrity. He was he his book was like banned from so many places because it was very ****** very sexual. And it was like everyone would read it as like a like a like a political pamphlet that came out like every like it was like this, like thing that everyone was looking forward to like it was this. It's poetry was like the mouthpiece of that generation for a long time and he would use it in a political way and. Talk about like, I don't know, I think poetry now is not what it was back then and because the time is so different, but, you know, it's it's, I believe you. They were celebrities. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like when when I talk about poets in this episode, think about like a very high level pop star when you're thinking about like the way people treat these guys. So he's, he starts reaching out to the most famous poets in Italy with his work and they love it. And one of them who is particularly taken as a fellow named Lancioni, who's one of the biggest poets in Italy at the time. And Nancy one takes him under his wing and starts, like, tutoring him, and he introduces him to a book by a guy named Thomas Carlyle. The book is on heroes, and it's basically the thesis statement of the great Man theory of history that, like, single exceptional individuals are the ones who move history, not economic forces. Or like the actions of like, mass groups of people, like in exceptional individuals are what make history. And Gabrielle is absolutely taken with this theory and is, of course, convinced that he is supposed to be one of those great men. And from a very early age, he was not just, it was not just enough. He was not just one of these people who, like, wants to make a living with poetry or like just has to express something. The thought of being anything but, like the very best poet writing in Italy is, like hateful to him. So early in their relationship he sends Lancioni a book of his poetry with a letter asking if his work is just charming or pleasing. Because if that's the case, he was going to give up writing immediately. He said that little artists and little poets were abhorrent to him. And asks, can I cover myself in glory so, like, again, he can't stand the thought of just being a good poet? Like, that's not enough for this guy. He's got to be the best. By age 18, Gabrielle had published 3 books of poetry. One was dedicated to his recently deceased grandmother. The other was a second edition of his first book, Primavera, with 43 new poems and revisions to his old work. His father paid the publishing costs for all these books, but Denunzio took responsibility for picking the font, the paper, the printer, and in setting up distribution deals with bookstores. Both de Nunzio's had a hand in promoting the work, and the differing ways they went about it say a lot about their personalities. Francisco Paulo like a normal person through a big banquet party in the middle of town. Drum up interest in the book. Gabrielle, being a narcissistic maniac, sent an anonymous letter to the editor of a poetry magazine in Florence lamenting that Gabrielle Denunzio, the young poet already noted in the Republic of Letters in his words, had died after falling off of a horse. So he sends a letter to like, a big poet poetry critic and claims that like, hey, this guy Gabriel who wrote this book, he's dead now. Yeah, well, he does this because guys like Shelly and Byron, poets who died very young after publishing, you know, handful of books, were like the biggest poets in Europe at the time. They had these huge Colts of fans because they died young. And so he knows that, like, if like, if it's just the story of like a young poet who's pretty good and is published a new book of poetry, like, he'll sell some copies. People will talk about it, but it's not going to be a huge deal. But if he's a great poet who dies tragically young, that's a huge deal. And it gets treated that way by the editor, like a bunch of magazines start writing articles about this, this dead young poet. They, like, call him things like the last born of the Muses. Like he he suddenly like the fact that he's believed to have died. Young elevates his work instantly in Italy, and he developed this huge Culty fan base. And eventually Gabrielle corrects the error and basically plays it off as if, oh, this must have been someone must have just gotten their wires crossed and like, since you incorrect information and, you know, it's the 1880s. Likely honestly. Respect this, this is. Genius level. Yeah. Influencer. Like, like, I don't know that that's one way to get a following. Back in the day, there was no Instagram. You couldn't. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you fake your death. Yeah. Yeah. He fakes his death. He and then and it it turns what would have been kind of a modestly successful book of poems into a national news story. So as he turns 18, Gabriel Denunzio is already famous and already, like, very well regarded. And of course, he was already ******* as a young teen. His teachers had noticed that on walks. Through town, Gabrielle constantly stared at young women. At age 14, he spent a few days in Florence with a family friend and wound up taking that Guy's 17 year old daughter to the Museum of Archaeology and making out with her in public. Shortly thereafter, on a school trip to another town, he pawned his grandfather's gold watch to pay for a ****** so he could lose his virginity. Now, yeah, he is. He is just dives right into *******. You cannot stop this guy from ******* which gets exactly as rapey as as that sentence should make it seem. Yeah. The summer after he was finally allowed to go back to Pescara. At age 18, he flew. Or at age 16. Sorry, he flirted constantly with every woman in town. He found himself particularly enamored with a young peasant girl. She unfortunately was not enamored with him, so he haunted her down, chased her into a vineyard, shoved her to the ground and raped her. Gabrielle was quite proud of this and wrote about it openly. He had a lifelong obsession with ****** poor women, particularly servant girls, and it's actually hard to tell how often he did it. Because the act was such a fetish for him that he also fantasized about it regularly. OK, my this is a thing. He's wide, the **** open I am. Because when you read, when you read that poetry verse like before the break was she was like writhing in whatever I was like in my brain and my brain. I was like, that sounds rapey and this makes so much sense in the worst way. I am disgusted that I agree with some of the points that you made earlier that he's a very rapey. Guy that is a big part of his personality. Ohh God, I mean we're talking about the guy who invented fascism, but but that's the thing. You can be a ladies man and not be rapey. Like that's absolutely a rapey ladies man is the the worst kind of ladies man. Push God. There's a lot of class issues wrapped up in this because he doesn't. At least I don't. I'm not aware of him. I don't think he raped upper class women, wealthy women, famous women. And he had would have had hundreds of affairs with the most famous women of the era and was considered to be a very, a very great like romancer. His particular fetish was in ****** poor women like that is just appalling. Appalling. It's just disgusting. It's horrible. Yeah, it's horrible because he's regarded as this womanizer, as seducer and also this rape fantasy of poor people is just regarded as a fetish because he has all these other qualities well in the well. But The thing is though, it's a little more complicated than that. Not that it's morally complicated, it's horrible. But at the time, number one, most men who he would have talked about that he wouldn't have hide the fact that he was forcing himself on these poor women and they wouldn't have really thought it was bad. Like, yeah, that's kinda like, it's a. It's a rapey time and place. Yeah, fair enough. Italy in this. And, like, not just Italy, obviously, like, everywhere in the world. Yeah. No, no. I mean, you rape and pillage. That was like, how you were bugging. Taught to show yourself as a man. It's fine. We're not all the way past that now, obviously. So it was worse back then and he would not have. This was not like a dark secret of his is the point. Like, this is a thing that he was like, yeah, I'm a ladies man. I romance these women. I forced myself on these women. Which is what a ladies man do. Like, that's. Yeah, that's the attitude with which I was I'm for all the classes, even if they don't want. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of. Especially if they don't want me to. At age 18, Gabrielle met Giselda, the daughter of a schoolmaster, in Florence. When he first met her, she was sobbing because she just seen the corpse of a little girl who'd frozen to death. This really turned Gabriel on. They started dating and *******. In his early letters to her, he would write about how much the sight of her tears turned him on. I want to make those tears fall again, Lucy Hughes Hallett writes quote he luxuriated in the idea of her unhappiness. He even told her how much you would like to see her corpse. He loved it, that she was deathly pale, like the Blessed Damozel the dead girl of her. That he's famous poem and painting, but he would have preferred her even paler. He told her that he would go around all the florists in the city, fill the carriage with assorted flowers to come, and bury her beneath them. Yes, to bury you. I want to make you die, he wrote to Tito Zucconi. Not, as one might expect, promising to Cherish and protect Tito's daughter, but announcing I and Elda cannot live long. Both he and giselda were, so far as we know, in perfectly good health. Yet, Denunzio wrote. Our cold bodies will fall to the Earth to feed the flowers, and we will be swept away, unconscious atoms and the irresistible. Occurrence of the universal force. Hmm. You know what? Even peel or what you did. Yeah, some red flags, huh? Well, OK, unfortunately, I I dated someone that told me he thought it was attractive when I was when I cried. And I think, like, it's such a weird thing to say to someone. Like to be like, I think girls are hot when they cry. Or like I'm turned on by girls crying. There's an element of some like, I mean, I guess there is some beauty to to tears. I'm ****** **. Oh no, I think, like it's complicated. Like, you're not a bad person if, like, obviously you're not a bad person. I have been posting my therapist and I want to use you as a therapist, but I he's also a necrophiliac then, like, he's also into like dead weakness, you know? I don't know. I wouldn't say that because I don't think that's. I think it's more that the art of he's very much into classical and medieval art and that sort of art. There's like this death obsession because death was such a part of the Middle Ages and there's a lot of paintings and poems and works of about, like, focused around dead women. Yeah, like ******* Dante is is obsessed with this dead chick. Then he only met twice. Like it's it's a thing. And so it like, now if somebody's like fantasy, yeah, I would say yeah, that that's probably what that dudes into. But at the time was probably just raising this this idea of. Dev, I don't know, losing your life? Romantic death? Yeah, like, there's just, it's there's so much culturally wrapped up in it that, like, you really honestly can't compare it to anything today because, like, we don't have those same sort of. They're not nearly as powerful as they were then. Wow. Now you know what won't fantasize about your dead body. That's a bad way to lead into ads. An ad break? You'll never get raped by an ad break. Oh God. You know what won't molest peasant girls in a field? Jesus, I hope, I hope that comes up is like, I don't know, ******* what do you get sponsored by like Don Edford? Gabriel denuncia. Oh boy. OK, let's just go to products. So by now we imagine that you've seen the theories on tick tock. You maybe even heard the rumors, your friends and loved ones. But are any of the stories about government conspiracies and cover ups actually true? The answer is surprisingly or unsurprisingly, yes. 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Sometimes he would even pass by the city on journeys to other places without diverting himself to visit this woman he claimed to love. The fact that he wasn't all that into seeing her didn't stop him from giving her orders on what to wear, only black. But by 1883 he was tired of the relationship and gradually his letters to her dwindled off into nothing. Gabrielle was never able to actually break off things with anyone, he just sort of ghosted them after spending months and even years writing 10s of thousands of passionate odes to their bodies. This would prove to be a lifelong habit for the poet and writer. By his own count, Gabrielle betted around 1000 women in his lifetime, and this is probably not far from accurate. He developed a reputation for being not just a great. Producer of women, but for abandoning them and breaking their heart. His lovers would repeatedly attempt suicide, and a number of them probably succeeded. One of the reasons I really love Lucy Hughes Hallett's biography of Gabrielle is that she she's a woman and she brings a woman's perspective to the way this this guy dealt with his relationships. And I'm very interested in the way she writes about him because she's very detailed and thorough and clearly is an appreciator of his work, but is also utterly unsparing and sort of analyzing this him as a human being. He writes at one point quote the more unhappy a woman was, the more interesting to him she became, the more he tantalized, Elda, with promised visits which were repeatedly deferred, the more adorable her image seemed to him. You must be sad, immensely sad, my poor Angel, he wrote. You will be thinking of me with desperate desire. The idea of her disappointment denied his savage kisses, was one he liked to dwell on, seeing her so seldom. She was really in no position to report on how pale and Juan Elder really was, but he addressed her in a rapture of sadistic pity as my paedophilia. The poor betrayed virgin. So he's like into ignoring and he's just a mystery emotional manipulator like and he's a fundamentally abusive person. He's a very abusive, like emotionally abusive person and ghosting someone. And like there's a there's a term called love bombing where you're like showering someone with all this affection and everything. Then you're just like gone. And it's a huge form of emotional manipulation because you make them addicted to you because every time. And it's like scientifically. Proven that whenever this person reaches out again, your cortisol goes up and your cortisol is like your stress hormone and it's like literally the same way an addict reacts to an addiction. So he's literally making all these women addicted to him and it's conniving and disgustingly brilliant because that's what a really good emotional abuser does. But one of the things that's really hard about thinking like I most of at this point in my life just because of the way my career and my travel has gone, like most of my relationships. Have have wound up being long distance for some particular point and that's like a really, that's one of the things that's like really tough about them is there is this like addictive sort of like nature to the relationship where you're apart and then like you're together and you get this like massive oxytocin release and then like. Like, it's hard not to, I don't know, like it's one of those things that I always wonder about, like, because it's it's it's just it's difficult to do that and not like, **** it up and not hurt the other person or or get hurt yourself. Like both of those things happen. Like, I guess they're hard. When when the relationship is established as this, like, I don't know, like, it's, it's it's hard to describe it as anything but an addiction. There's like this huge overwhelming release of happiness and everything when you're together and then you're not. And then especially if there's someone that's constantly pulling the rug from under you or pulling away constantly, that only feeds the addiction for the other person. So in this case in particular, I think I mean like the, my, the relationship that I've kind of like the closest thing I've had to really relationship was long distance. To kind of relate to what you're experiencing as far as like when you're apart it's like you're just waiting to be with them again and you're waiting for that like basically a hit and then as soon as you get it you're good. Even if they're just like replying to a message or whatever. It's like you're constantly needing that Umm like streamlined of like like I don't know. But in his case he's it's one side addiction. He's completely fine. I don't think he ever means anything he writes he he is not at all emotionally engaged, which is part of what makes it abusive, right? If you've got 2. People and you're both dealing with that thing and you both emotionally into each other. That's not abusive, but if you and number one, he also doesn't, in no way does this need to be a long distance relationship. He is very well off and successful from an early age and absolutely could at least visit her regularly. Like there's times where he's like an hour away and he just doesn't give a **** like like like he's it's honestly he probably gets turned on with having this kind of power he knows he has. Power over these women, and he knows that he has emotional abuse, has made them addicted to him and his presence, even if he's not there. And that probably turns him on more than any type of sex, in my opinion. Like, he's absolutely sitting there jacking off as he writes about how sad he thinks. Yes, like, that's that's what he's into here and that's why he's a sociopath. Because you're just. Yeah. Wow. In 1921, when Gabrielle was very famous and renowned, not just in Italy but all across Europe, Giselda wrote him and asked for permission to sell the letters that he'd sent her. She needed the money to give to her son so he could get married. Gabrielle refused her this and instead asked her to hand over the letters to his lawyer. So, like, he just doesn't doesn't give a ****. Like he just stops writing this woman, like, and it completely cuts her off without even, like, talking to her about it. Just one day he we're just done, like, and he doesn't even tell her we're done. She just stops getting letters and never heard from him again. So, like most great men in history, Gabriel treated the women and indeed the men in his life, like trash. But this did nothing to halt the meteoric growth of his career. He went to Rome, where he studied literature, published more poems, and started writing books. In 1882 he wrote the innocent, a book about a dandy and **** hungry man named Tulio Hermil, who cheats constantly on his saintly wife until she cheats on him and finally gets pregnant. In 1889 he published ill PIACERE, considered the manifesto of Italian Deca Tantissimo, which is more or less. What it sounds like and I'm going to read you 2 paragraphs from Wikipedia summary of this book, OK? Gerard and Aristocrat is in mourning over the death of his mistress, Leonara. He listens to tape recordings of them having sex and records his recollections of the day he met Leonora for the first time at the Carnival of Venice many years ago. On a day he felt sexually adventurous and a flashback, we see him meet her on the street, introducing himself as Giacomo Casanova. After chasing her through the city, he finds her waiting for him behind a column in a passageway, where he lifts her dress and has sex with her later that day in an opium dim after having a smoke. They are initiated by Hanani and the cosmic secrets of pleasure and. Went into threesome with her back in the present. Gerard and Fiorella dressed leonora's naked body for her funeral. When Ursula and Edmund Leonora's, children from another man arrived for the funeral, Gerard, who has not seen either of them for 10 years, at first mistakes Ursula for Leonara. Gerard is now legal guardian to both until they come of age. In a sudden fit, Edmund cries out that his mother was only a ***** and suffers an epileptic attack. He has calmed down by his sister breastfeeding him like their mother did. Later it is Fiorella who repeatedly breastfeeds him and with whom he has his first sex. That's just two paragraphs. It goes on like that. That's the kind of books this guy writes. Like they're the smartest **** to ever. I mean, I'm still not over the phrase **** hungry that you use maybe 5 minutes ago. Hairy **** hungry writing. Fundamentally **** hungry is is Gabrielle d'annunzio. That is, that is twisted. Yeah, but they're wildly successful. I mean, because people, because it's it's what's the word dashing that they're the ******** books ever and everyone's *****. Yeah, everyone's **** hungry when you want when you when we're honest. Everyone's ******* hungry. Everybody's **** hungry and Gabrielle is just leaning into it like you guys want ***** books. I'll write the ******** ******* books anyone's ever written. Yeah, people are. Sucking each other's milk and ******* each other. *******. Yeah, it's just like the most depraved, decadent **** he can think of. But for but for his for his legion of followers, they're probably like, this is for like, from his real experience. Like, he probably did all this stuff because he's like this amazing womanizer. I mean, he may. He probably did a lot of this stuff, to be honest. Like, yeah, he was was he didn't have a lot of boundaries. Ask like, was he a good I gotta show you. I'm gonna show you his picture at the end of this episode, Shereen. Oh my God, we'll talk about that. He was not considered good looking, though. Most of Gabrielle protagonists were aristocrats, though he himself was not. It's notable that his only marriage was to Maria. Legalese a Duchess and probably because marrying her technically made him an aristocrat too. He had three children with her and Christ knows how many with other random lovers. He never took care of any of these kids and I'm going to quote from the New York Times, wildly generous, he bestowed upon them custom made gifts by buccellati and famous guys with flamboyant nicknames that bring him that bring to mind a pantheon of Olympic goddesses. Bessa, Lisa, Nike, Barbarella and of course Corey. The outrageous. Marchesa. Casati yeah, I don't know who any of these people are, but. He's like he he's always got these loving nicknames that are like, really like, like, like out of this world, flamboyant. And he gives he spends thousands of of of dollars, essentially on fancy gifts for whoever he's ******* before he abandons them. It's love bombing, yeah, yeah. Denunzio was wildly successful and made fortunes from his writing, but he spent those fortunes even faster than he could accumulate them. I found a write up on his life on the rake, a fashion and style focused magazine that makes it clear just how he managed this quote. He could shop until he didn't drop in less trips to the tailor. Thousands of books and he once even acquired 22 dogs and eight horses all in one purchase. When he stayed in hotels he always traveled with his own sheets. I am, as he once explained with characteristic self assuredness, a better decorator and upholsterer. And I am a poet or novelist. Indeed, at the turn of the century, woman is married into aristocracy, along with his journalism and plays afforded him considerable wealth. He habitually lived in rented, furnished houses that, at great expense, he immediately refurbished an extravagant fashion, or, as he put it, in a style gorgeous enough to be worthy of a Renaissance Lord, which involved filling his properties with mock 16th century furniture of his own design. He's that guy. I mean, I think that's really funny. That he's like I'm an even better upholsterer and decorator. That I am a poet. Like, you think I'm good at this? Well, God, I'm. I'm not good. I'm not bad at anything, basically, yes. The other people in Gabriel's life were more distractions to him than real human beings. At one point, when he already had eight horses, he spent the money given to him specifically to feed his kids on buying a new horse. By 1893, he was 30 years old and living in Naples to avoid his creditors because he was just in huge debt all the time. He'd long since abandoned his wife and all three children, as well as Elvira Fraternally, a woman he lived with and loved for eight years. He broke up with her to move in with a Sicilian Princess. He was actually charged with adultery for this, and almost went to jail for *******. Princess wow. When writing down *******. If anyone should go to jail for ******* it's him. Yeah. Yes, if anyone should. I I'm not normally. As long as there's consent. Well, actually, there, I mean, he should have. No. If anyone should go to jail for any kind of ******* it's him. It's him. When writing novels and poetry wasn't enough to cover his debts, Denunzio wrote for tabloids and gossip rags, he used his media connections to do things like tip off gossip journalists about when and where he would publicly be breaking up with one of his lovers. He started telling fanciful lies that he'd been born aboard a boat. But he had a glass eye that he had two bottom ribs removed so he could suck his own ****. Yes. Gabriel Denunzio is the origin of that. Is he really? Yeah. That's where that's the first time I think we come across it. Yeah, he is. Ahead. But he did start so many things. Maybe the first poster you maybe the no. All he started. Oh my God. He's wow. I mean, yeah. I mean, all he's definitely of the belief of, like, any press is good press. So, yes, damn, that's just. And his life kind of proves that that's true. Yeah, there's actually, I found a couple of articles comparing him to Donald Trump, and while he's a much more talented person than Trump and did succeed on his own merits. There, that's not completely ludicrous, as we'll get to like. There's some there's actually some comparisons between the two men now. Gabrielle's Maxim was one must make one's life as one makes a work of art. As the rake notes, he was, quote, a die hard disciple of Baldassare Castiglione, the author of a 16th century book, the Book of the Courtier, in which the writer posited would he referred to as the universal rule in all human affairs. Sprezzatura a facade of nonchalance that concealed the artistry required to pull off challenges with aplomb, regarded, even at the time as both romantic and. Deceptive in almost equal measure, denunzio clearly lived out castiglione's doctrine, which was described disparagingly by Henry James's beauty at any price, beauty appealing alike to the sense and the mind. So. You would not, however, mistake Gabriel Denunzio for beautiful. By age 30, he was completely bald. He was short. He was, he was, to his credit, very physically fit and muscular. But his teeth were disgusting, his breath was horrible, and his voice was high pitched and considered weird by all who heard it. Leanne Depuy, a famous Parisian courtesan, met him once on a visit to Florence. Here's how she described him. There before me was a frightful knome with red rimmed eyes and no eyelashes, no hair, green, greenish teeth, bad breath. The manners of a mountebank and the reputation, nevertheless, for being a ladies man you just described. Like a goblet, like a grumbling. And this is a goblet, though. This is the guy. This is the guy that no one can't bone except for the women he sexually. I don't know. I got. I am livid. I don't know why I'm so much more angrier than I would be if he was good looking. But I am. I'm. I'm so angry. Yeah, well, it's. It's it's because in my brain I rationalize like if you're a ladies man and you're good looking, you can get away with it. Like you can get away with so much **** behavior. If you're a good looking person, man or woman or anything, if you're a good looking, you get away with ****. It's like scientifically proven. You have an easier life, whatever. But if you like after you're you're a ***** ** **** and you like are repulsive by this description, like. Jesus, it's it's remarkable. And I don't really understand this breath smelled. Why would you ever be, uh, like, I mean to be honest, Shereen, a big part of it, just you have to understand like he's he's a great poet. Like that's probably a lot of why is he's like, he's he can be like, like, we almost can't like maybe in this context we almost can't. It's like, you can be like a really talented musician, right. But yeah, maybe like, you know, it's like you hear stories. About like some famous rock stars who like just didn't shower and were like these nasty, like drug addicts, but like everybody because like their music was really good. And there's just like something about that that can overcome an odious other aspects of your personality. You know, I will say, I will say talent and ambition, or maybe ambition in my opinion is probably the most attractive quality, but I just can't get over all the other things. That description is a repulsive description of a human being like that. I I would say. Sorry, I no, I'm. I'm just mad. Go ahead. I mean, I I would say you have to remember one thing that kind of helps me is like, look at pictures of like, John Lennon with his shirt off. And remember that there was a time when everyone in the everyone in the world basically wanted to **** John Lennon and like, just take a look at that guy shirtless, like hard to get your head around it, but like it's because of the, the, the, the artistic, not just how his music on its own, but also the cultural, like, like platform he stood on was so elevated. Veer these artists there are guarded as these really artistic beautiful souls. Not maybe, not beautiful in the in Gabrielle, definitely not beautiful. But worst case, he's revered John Lennon's case. He was abusive. Yeah, yeah. What, are you gonna show me a photo? Oh yeah, in a little bit, yeah. Fine. So I'm so excited. Despite his looks, Gabrielle managed to sleep with many of the most beautiful women in Europe, and the vast majority of the sex was consensual. His habitual rape seemed to be mostly of poorer women. His housekeeper was required to have sex with him three times a day, whether she wanted to or not. Gabrielle kept his homes bizarrely warm at tropical temperatures so he could wear only a light, thin kimono style robe with the special hole in the fabric. For *** **** he had custom shoes shaped like penises. You almost missed the penis shoes that are shaped like penises. This gets more absurd by the ******* second. Are you ******** me? I you know what? Maybe I haven't emphasized enough. He's Italian. Does that explain the penis shoes? I'm sorry, do you have a penis shoes? Of course. When you're when you're Italian at age 18, you get your penis shoes. That's just a part of being Italian I. The commode. The word Italy means an ancient ultrascan land of penis shoes. Wow. Yeah, he he does a little bit. Now, Gabrielle was, above all else, a genius at brand management. He knew how to make Gabriel Denunzio into a star and to keep himself in the headlines. It was crucial to him that people believe him capable of literally anything. And so, in pursuit of that end, he ran for the Italian Parliament in 1897 as an independent. He called himself the candidate for beauty and ran on a platform of pushing the politics of poetry. A big fan of Nietzche, he declared that he was beyond right and left, as I am, beyond good and evil. In a way, Gabrielle was kind of a prototype for Donald Trump as well as Adolf Hitler, the first man to take his literary fame and pop culture cachet and turn it into political power. But when it came to actually staying in power, Denunzio decided he really hated politics. He served one term and never held any kind of legitimate public office again. So he is like, the first guy to take, like, he's just a famous guy for being famous mostly. Yeah, like his. I mean, he's great. Foot, but like he's he's also really just famous for being a celebrity and he turns that into political power and that's really hasn't been done, you know, like in the way that he did it. That is fascinating. Also side note that I am still thinking about the kimono. I'm sorry, the dip. The temperatures are so high and that it keeps them this tropical level. I just. I watched curb you and there's curb, Curb Your Enthusiasm. I want to that for the first time recently, all I'm all caught up. But there's this one episode with, like, Leon, his roommate, ******* yoga teacher, a hot yoga teacher. Apparently warmer temperatures. According to this episode. Good for orgasms. So maybe he was on to something. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Then again, I'm sorry. I'm a ***** ** ****. And but, and I will say like it, this was not like he was not like A1 sided sort of lover like he was. He was real into kinda Lingus and wrote about it. I mean for pages sometimes he says he would have consensual most of his most of the people that have wanted to have sex with him so. Yeah, but yeah. I mean, like would you say that his use of, like his brand of narcissistic politics, like using his platform to become a politician, like, was that not what like Reagan did or like or? Meagan Ohh, Reagan. Sorry, did I say, yeah, I hope this pronounced. They say how I think it's it's pronounced. English is my second language. Leave me alone. Yeah, like Reagan, like net since denunzio, a lot of people have done that. But he's kind of, he was the first. The first, yeah, who's just really mostly famous for his fame and then takes turns that into a political career. And this is not the end of his political career, just his end is an elected political leader. So keep that in mind. Have even stepped foot into the fascism yet. The Fascism, Jesus, we there's so much about this guy. I don't know. His debts were so outrageous by 1910 that Denunzio was forced to flee Italy for Paris, where he made a film, collaborated with some of the greatest artists of the day, and became friends with Proust. American whiskey heiress Natalie Barney wrote about this time quote. He was the rage. A woman who had not slept with him made herself ridiculed. He even managed to bed Romaine Brooks, a famous lesbian artist who wound up painting his portrait. So like. Again, you really can't. It's hard to understand like the level of Fame to where like an A. Famous lesbian would be like, Yeah. I gotta **** him like I just gotta see what's going on there. That's crazy. It's wild as the years in Paris. Yes, actually, you'll see it now. You'll get a sense for the size. Yeah, it it's in like a banana hammock in the picture I'm going to show you. And it's not small, I I'll say that. As the years in Paris ticked along, Gabrielle found himself less and less enthralled with high society and more obsessed with the war clouds on the horizon. The actual start of World War One came as a surprise to most, but for years prior to the war, every observant person in Europe had been aware that some sort of violent conflict was very nearly like coming. Artists who recognized this wound up in one of two camps. Many dreaded it and worked to do all they could to pull Europe back from the precipice. Gabrielle, however, wound up in another camp. He saw it as his duty as a lover of beauty to push Europe into calamity. This seems insane to us now, and it is ******* crazy, but Denunzio was not alone in this. I'm going to read again from Lucy Hughes Hallett's biography quote. And the political rhetoric and poetry of the period. Civilian existence is Gray, dim, morally compromised, and physically grubby. The battlefield, by contrast, is bright, a glitter with weapons and flashing with joy. Above all, it is clean. When Britain declared war, Rupert Brooke proclaimed his gladness to leave the sick hearts that honor could not move, and Half Men and their dirty songs and dreary like Denunzio Brooks saw the war as a saving freshness into which he could plunge as swimmers into cleanness. Leaping in Germany, Thomas Mann welcomed the conflict as a purging. Liberation. Let the storm come, cried the Hungarian dosso. I'm not even going to try to pronounce this guy's last name and sweep out our salons. So, like, there's this idea that, like, society is decadent. There's all these, like young, like lazy, like, like children of privilege sitting around drinking coffee and talking about politics. We need a war to kill a bunch of them and make the the others into better people, clean out these crowded cities. That's like a a sizable chunk of particularly like the intelligentsia in this. Is. Into this idea, yeah, they're all famous. Yeah. Yeah, they they kind of are. Gabriel de Nunzio had become a fervent nationalist by this point, an adherent of a school of Italian thought that believed the new nation knew to reabsorb or conquer a number of states that were currently its neighbors. But historically they believed Italian. This included much of what became Yugoslavia. But Gabrielle didn't just see the coming war as a chance for Italy to regain lost territory, he saw it as a beautiful aesthetic endeavor in its own right. He believed that quote, a great conflict of the races, would purge Society of its weak elements as soon as the gun started pounding. In 1914, while Gabrielle was still living in France, he had a friend drive him as close to the front lines as he could possibly get. They wound up in a place called reams, where German artillery had just destroyed an ancient and famous cathedral, taking a valet and several suitcases full of clothing with him. Of course, Gabrielle wound up in the middle of the frontline, watching artillery land just a few 100 meters ahead of him and seeing the corpses of men and animals rotting in the mud. He immediately grabbed souvenirs and started taking fastidious notes. He used these notes to write an article about the German vandalism of the Reims cathedral. He hadn't actually watched the cathedrals destruction, but he had no problem lying and describing how with his own eyes he'd watched them burn it. Gabrielle Denunzio despised Germans, considering them a barbaric and disgusting race. The goal of his article was to try and push his nation into joining with France and Great Britain in the war. Now Italy had entered World War One as an ally of Germany, but no one in the country was particularly interested in, actually. Entering the war on Germany's side, in fact, most of the country wanted to stay out of the war entirely. Given how World War One went, this was not a bad call. But Gabriel wanted Italy to go to war more than he'd ever wanted anything in his entire life, and he set at once to the task of dragging his country with him. As soon as he got back from Italy in mid 1915, he began giving speeches, and I'm going to quote from an article in the New Republic about this quote. Italy was no longer a pension de familia of museum but a living nation, he declared in one interventionalists demagogic speech to general acclaim. The prospect of mass deaths thrilled him. Benedito Krauss was repelled by his seeming to enjoy war, even to enjoy slaughter. As Hughes Hallett puts it, the politics of beauty was revealing itself as a politics of blood. Among his ardent supporters were marinetti's futurists who had recognized early on that for all his fondness for classical art and medieval knickknacks, Denunzio was a fellow modern, a poet who rhapsodized over warships. Steelworks and who set a higher value on energy than he did on virtue. Genoa is where he first started, haranguing the masses towards Apocalypse. In his first four days there he spoke seven times. The Italian Government itself was torn over the question of war, the Queen Mother decided dearly, but most of the elected leaders were firmly against the idea. They hated that Denunzio was ranting about the need to destroy Germany while they carried on secret negotiations to try to plot the national course. Standing on balconies and shouting to increasingly large crowds, he urged his countrymen to pull out of the triple Alliance and join the Entente. With France, Britain and Russia, he was not content just to attack Germany and make the case for war. Gabrielle de Nunzio made a habit of viciously attacking any politician who spoke out against his whims. He called them cowards and appeasers, the enemies within, he said. The old order reeks and must be utterly destroyed. Sweep away all the filth into the sewer, with all that is vile. He called the current political order infected, diseased, corrupt and defiled. And he said the only solution was cauterization. The corruption must be burned out. Gabrielle called repeatedly. Or a Holocaust to cleanse the body politic. Holocaust was, in fact one of his most frequently used words, and in a positive sense, foreign reporters who watched him more, almost as enraptured as the crowds. Jean Carrier, a French reporter, wrote. Never have I seen an order advanced before the public with such composure. Standing on his improvised tribune, he was magnificently alone, of a marble pallor, with two eyes of flame. And when Gabrielle spoke to crowds, they didn't just listen, they acted. In May 1915, he made it to Rome and gave what would become one of his most infamous tirades. And I'm going to quote from Lucy Hughes Hallett again. He attacked the advocates of peace. In vitriolic terms. The very air of Rome stank with their treachery. Those who still hung back from war were traitors, assassins of the Patria, Italy's executioners. Giolitti, one of these politicians he hated, was strangling the nation with oppression rope. Denunzio was openly advocating violent attacks on the people's elected. Representatives he called upon the Roman mob to take the law into their own hands. He urged his listeners to attack the appeasers who lick the boots on sweaty Prussian feet. He called for stonings and arson. His rhetoric was becoming ever more frenzied. I tell you, there is treason here in Rome. We were being sold like a herd of diseased cattle. He urged the people to hunt down anti war deputies. Form squads. Squadron was one of the many words the fascists would pick up from him. Lie in wait sees them capture them. An observer reports that the applause when he paused was like a storm when he resumed. Announced Giolitti and ever more vituperative terms, that diabolical old blubber lipped hangman. The storm was transformed into a cyclone. Denunzio was high on his own eloquence. On the frenzy of the crowds he flattered and inflamed, and on the prospect of blood 52 years old he extolled the ruthless purity of youth. A poet whose life's work had been the threading together of obscure and beautiful words, he invade against verbiage and called for action. Swift, cruel if need be, and unambiguous. It is not the time for speaking, but for doing. He ended by leading the crowd in an anthem, beating time with his little hand. White hands while the people below bellowed out through A-frame. Let us join the cohort. We are ready to die. Italy has called. Damn. Yeah, fame is terrifying. You're seeing some of the fascism creep in here? Yeah. I mean, fame is terrifying. And he obviously used this like visceral. Quality of his writing into his speeches, obviously like he has. He's a good wordsmith, like that's been, that's been already proven, but like effective. It's so terrifying when someone is already, so I don't know, praised and lauded for being this amazing thinker. He's obviously going to have a huge legion of people follow him with anything he does, even if it's to tell people to pick up a weapon and and be violent. And the fact that Holocaust really were that he used so much like, that's so telling of like. Yeah, kind of mentality he had, even if he did despise Germany, like he definitely had similarities to Hitler in that regard of like rolling people together and being an amazing speech person, like a speech giver. So disturbing because I think that's that's a huge reason why fame and influence really freaks me out, is because you have all these people follow you blindly, just like with Trump. Trump has the same thing. The people I hate, the people in the rallies that I see, I hate, the people behind Trump that are clapping every dumb ******** thing he says. I hate them more than I hate Trump, honestly, because they're just sheep. I don't know, you know, I actually know. I don't wanna say sheep. Sorry. I I think people see people are intelligent, but they're also desperate to belong. And if someone is just like rallying people together for A cause that he thinks is like, well, better humanity. I don't know. I I think what you're getting at, and I think the reality both of white denunzio was successful and why Trump is, is that everyone has this very deep understanding in our society as they did then that like something's wrong. Things shouldn't be as ****** ** and hard as they are. Like this shouldn't be as messed up as it is. Someone is responsible and if you are able to tell people who is responsible and convince them of who it is and then invade upon that group or that person. With the kind of rage that everyone has in their heart, whether or not it's directed, everyone has that anger in our society because we all know ****** ****** **. If you can convince people that you found the people who have ****** ** the **** and then expressed the hatred that is in their hearts, you can give them to do anything and that's all that matters. They don't care about laws, they don't care about precedent, they don't care about history. They don't even care about their own health. To a certain extent, if you are able to convince them of the group that's responsible for their pain. And express the hatred that's in their heart towards that group. And that's what denunzio's good at. That's what Hitler's good at. That's what Trump's good at. You you described what I was trying to articulate in a much better way because that's what's terrifying. Is that what you said? You can get them to do anything? Because that's completely what's what happened. And it works. It works on all of us. Yeah, it works. I mean, I mean, to be honest, like I the, the a lot of the success of this podcast, which has been very successful and has has done a lot for my career and has built up a fan base. It's very is is very like loyal and active is because what we focus on is is talking about like, these are the ******** responsible for why **** is so ****** ** right? Like the most powerful thing in the world is, is harnessing the anger that exists in all of us because of the damaged nature of our society and directing it. It's not an inherently harmful Bernie Sanders is appeal is a lot in his ability to say This is why ****** ****** **. This is who you should be angry at we need to fix now he does it in. And I would say in a non-toxic way, in a productive way. It doesn't have to be a horrible thing. Yeah, because the anger is real and the anger that Trump's fans feel, the rage, they're not directing it in the right direction. But that rage is utterly earned in most cases. No, I completely agree. I think, yeah, directing that anger is such a powerful tool to and being able to to harness that is a terrifying quality when you use it in the wrong way. Which is what Hillary did, which is what did Anzio's doing or did and what and what I'm going to do in my new cult. So stay tuned. Very excited. We're gonna buy a compound. It's gonna be like that. Wild, wild country documentaries. Machetes as far as the eye can see, it's gonna be glorious. Now, on multiple occasions, crowds rioted after denunzio speeches. Several times they attempted to break into the Prime minister's home in order to murder him. The violence only encouraged Denunzio further, and he repeatedly urged good citizens to take vengeance on lying politicians. If blood flows, such blood will be as blessed as that in the trenches, he said, drawing a Direct Line between political murder and the national war effort. Shortly after that speech, some of his supporters stole a fire truck and used its ladder to try to break into the home of one of his political opponents, Lucy Hughes, Hallett writes. He was fast developing a brilliantly manipulative oratorical technique. He allowed his public no break in his contrivances of their hysteria. He played on them with rhetorical tricks borrowed from religious liturgy or from classical drama. Hear me, he cried, listened to me, understand me. The crowd was urged to join him, howling out responses to incidents insistent EVAS. These were not speeches to be rationally appraised, but acts of collective self hypnosis. The Nunzio's work as a dramatist had frequently been grandiose and conception, spectacular in their staging, and appalling for the violence of their sentiments. But never before had he produced anything like this. Shows he put on that Radiant may. The sheer rage he worked these crowds into eventually made any outcome but war basically impossible. Most of the Nunzio's enemies fled the city. The Prime Minister stepped down. Historian Mark Thompson calls what Denunzio achieved a coup d'etat in all but name. The leader of the Socialist Party, Filippo Turati, ruefully and accurately exclaimed. Let the bourgeoisie have its war. There will be no winners. Everyone will lose. On May 23rd, 11 days. After Gabriel de Nunzio entered Rome, Italy declared war on Austria, Hungary. There is, of course, significant debate over whether or not Italy would have entered the war on this side without denunzio. Historians will note that the Pact of London, which set out Italy's new alliance, had been under negotiation for a while by the time he arrived in Italy, but most historians agree he had at least a very significant impact in pushing his country into World War One. By the end of that war, more than 460,000 Italians would be dead. More than 955,000 would be wounded. The old order of Europe. Ride and Gabriel de Nunzio helped to kill that, too. His career, though, was just getting started. And now, Shereen Sophie, would you scroll to the bottom of the script and show Shereen? You have to. ** *** has to see the Nunzio. This is the best. I just. I'm so sorry, Shereen. I just can't believe. I just. I don't know, I. Well, let's get look at Band-Aid. Let's rub it off. Come on. OK, bro. Here. Here he is. Here you go, shoe. And she just grabbed like, what the ****? Are you ******** me? OK, first of all, banana hammock. Hilarious. He does look like he is packing heat, but he is packing heat. Yeah, but he's he's pretty stacked. He's pretty yoked. He just skinny. What do you mean? Yeah, he's not yoked, just tiny. He's, he's got, well, you gotta admit, you gotta you gotta remember too. Like people didn't know to build muscle then the way they do now. Like, he's pretty. He's yeah, he doesn't have it moderately so on and I'll give him that. But he's also like. If if if anyone that's listening to this in the beginning was imagining this, like attractive, womanizing, seducing, whatever, this is not the guy. But he didn't. No, I mean like a champion for short guys, unfortunately for for y'all. But you already have Napoleon. What do you want? I don't know. He's he's. That's a hilarious Photo by the way. This photo, it's amazing. It's amazing. Other than this banana thong and his arms are at his hips, posed for this photo. His mustache was curled up. Didn't know he had a mustache, by the way. Yeah, bald with a curled up mustache. You got to see the picture. It looks like if Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner, and Colonel Sanders had a baby and that baby. Was a creep. Yeah, I would. I would say if you want creep and if you look up creep. That's what I imagine. If you watch the, UM, the TV show community, he looks like Pierce's father. Like he's that exact build in size. He's just this like. Weird little bald. He's a little he's he's smuggled. Yeah. Convinced his country to enter the dumbest war in history. He humanized personified. Whatever. Yeah, he does look a lot like schmiegel. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah, how, how you feeling after Part 1, Shereen? Umm. I I've learned a lot. I think we had a good, like, bonding time, you and I. To be honest, I feel like we just verifies each other a bit in parts of this episode, which I feel kind of like nice about. I think we're good friends now. Theo effect. Ohh, God, don't give him credit. Give him more credit. Power, Shereen, I would like credit. I would like credit for the friendship. Thank you, Sophie. I will give you the credit. I mean, this episode has convinced me, among other things, to buy a banana hammock. That seems like a good decision. This episode has convinced me, among other things, that you should not have children. But I'm sorry. I'm kidding. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. If you you would be a great dad. All seriousness. Just don't give your chat. Seems like that seems like a long reach to make. Shereen, I've learned a lot. I can't wait to learn more. And and really. Just the turn of this guy's life. What an eventful, awful way to leave the world. He's not lazy. You gotta say that for the man. He accomplished a lot. A very productive like back in the day. We're not even. I mean, we have that saying now. Like you have as many hours in the day as Beyoncé does back in the day. You have as many hours in the day as as as genesio has. You know what I mean? What have you? What country have you demolished today? Yeah. What what world order have you destroyed? Exactly. What generation have you sent into machine gun nests? Robert, do you think we can get a banana hammock sponsorship? That's just my only. Oh, I hope. I want a banana hammock sponsorship. And I would love it if we could get, if we could, like, get award to sponsor us to, like, that would be really good. Like, I feel like there's a lot of really good wars going on right now, and one of them should sponsor this podcast. Mean Lord knows they have the money, so. Exactly. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Well, Shereen, you want to plug your puggles? Oh yeah. I'm Shereen, and I am a cohost of a podcast called Ethnically Ambiguous. It's on the iHeartRadio network. It's ethnically should look it up. It's everywhere you find your podcast. I'm Shiro hero SHEROHERO on Instagram and Shiro hero 666 on Twitter. And yeah, that's about it. I have a poetry book. If you guys want to like the poetry talk, it's on Amazon. There you go. My next one read Shereen's poetry. Turn her into a monstrous sociopath who leads the world into a tremendous calamity. Honestly, I'm just waiting to sell out, so please, yeah, let's make this. We all are just, we all are begging. I I would love to sell out, so make it happen. And I I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at I write. 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