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Tue, 08 Oct 2019 10:00
Part One: Ragnar Redbeard: The Patron Saint of Toxic Masculinity
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I was up too late last night ingesting narcotics, and today's gonna be a **** show. Thankfully, to help me get through it, I have my co-host, Jamie Loftus. Hi. Robert, what's going on? You two literally was just you just got home and you just started doing with it, you know? You know what I did last night? I did well, we can edit out if you don't want to get specific. But we can just Bleep. The drug of choice time out, which would honestly make it sound way cooler than what you actually did let let's let's leave plausible deniability that it might have been legal, yeah, so. So I I did something that was legal, but very sad. I did that thing where you get this. The little the little 4 pack of such tiny. Sutter homes were on sale ohh that's that is deeply sad. And then I drank all four. It's sad. It's sad to drink. It's not sad. It it comes out to like no 2/3 of a bottle of wine, which is actually, now that I'm saying it out loud, also sad. But drinking four tiny bottles is it's tough. It's tough. What's sad is that when you're in that space, you want wine, but you don't have your **** together enough to open a bottle to, like, pull a cork out. Like that's when you drink those Sutter home bottles like they're twist tops. And they were. They were. Heavily discounted at my CVS. God knows why. Maybe since there was tape on them. I don't know. I think it's more of them. Like the mood that you are in when you drink that is like, I I have the wherewithal, I have. No like the the most that I can handle right now is opening a soda, but I want it to be wine. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I don't know. I got. I'm going to cut myself slack and I'm not going to do any self searching about why I drank the four tiny wines I had. I was fine. I had a fine day. I don't have. I don't have a problem right now. No. You see, this ties actually into the theme of the episode, Jamie, because this is behind the ******** the show where we talk about the worst people in all of history. I'm sorry. And a lot of the worst people in all of history spend way too much time analyzing themselves rather than just not thinking about things too hard. And that is where we get terrible, terrible people like the person we're talking about today. Love it. Yeah, that was a good intro who pulled it out in the end. Who is it? No one. And no one ever tells me anything anymore. I I asked to know. And then I was handily rejected. Well, you will not know this person by their name. Have you ever heard of Arthur Desmond? No. He sounds like a sexy cartoon Prince. He is not. No. Have you heard that? Had Google images. Have you heard of Ragnar Redbeard? Yes. Why have I heard of that? Is that a metal band, Robert? Well, actually, yes, but that's not what it is originally. OK, you you remember the Gilroy Garlic Festival mass shooting? Yes, I do. Well, yeah. On July 28th, 2019, Santino Legan cut a hole in the fence surrounding that festival, snuck inside and started shooting at people with an AR15. Yes. He killed three. He wounded 17. His youngest victim was six years old. And of course, as we always do now, after a mass shooting, a bunch of researchers and law enforcement started, like, going through that guy's online presence to try to figure out, all right, what was this one? Was this guy like a white nationalist? This analysis guy was this just like just a dude shooting people for no reason? Sure. And we found an Instagram post that the shooter had made a couple of days before the shooting and he attached an image of like Smokey the bear with a sign that said fire danger high today. And then he posted read might is right by Ragnar Redbeard. Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white *****? What was his post so might? Is right. Is a very famous book. It's not the most prominent piece of white nationalist literature, but it's up there. And the guy who wrote it used a pseudonym because no one has ever been named Ragnar Redbeard. Like Vikings would have been like, dude, that's that's a little bit much, huh? Like, yeah, little, little silly. It's a bit over the top. It does. And like a like a steam punky kind of like a D&D kind of name. I I really one of the untold stories of history is how many mass shootings, dungeons and Dragons has helped us to avoid by giving people with too much imagination and outlet rather than somewhere to go. Yeah, not mass shootings, but like ****** books. I I shouldn't say mass shooting. It's it's it's it's stopped a lot of ****** books from happening. Because the the tale of Arthur Desmond is the tale of a guy who, if he'd gotten together with friends and been able to play barbarian. For like 4 hours every Sunday. What's barbarian wouldn't have written this book? It's it's a class in Dungeons and Dragons. Ohk. OK, OK, OK. Jesus Christ, Jamie. OK, sorry. King's just getting screamed at by a man in a kimono. Not paid to be here, Robert. You're just screaming at me in a kimono. I do like to come on. No, I like the past. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This kimono is. I don't know. I don't have a joke at this time into the this. The last time I was here it was it was we were just still at the. Then, well, what is the big hooked knife? The fluffy. What? Oh, the the machete. The machete. That's why I have a lot of machetes. I know a lot of machetes around, but where does it come up? What happened? Like, what's the story with the kimono? Ohh much. My parents lived in Japan for most of their lives or huge chunk of their lives, and so I would get kimonos as gifts on a regular basis. And they're comfortable. OK, well, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're nice. It's a nice thing to put on when you're hungover in the morning and you have to do your podcast with your good friend, Jamie Loftus. Can't say it enough. It is not the morning. It is not. It is. It is well after 2:00 PM. But I have been up for less than 1/2 hour, so that's true. It was fun to watch in real time. Yeah, yeah, if if my **** is not together, like when I'm my ***** not together, I start comparing people who play dungeons and Dragons to mass shooters, which is wildly unfair and not the point I was trying to make. But but and yet we had to cancel you. And yeah, this is how I get. Ohh please cancel me. Oh my God, I could go back to sleep. Yeah. OK OK, great. There is. I forget who to. I don't know who tweeted this, but there was a tweet that was like, I hope when I get cancelled I'm surrounded by my closest family and friends and. As I feel the same way, we'll all be cancelled one day and then we will go to the happy hunting grounds where we can all get on open mics and shout racial slurs, which is. Like, like, what was that guy Seinfeld? It's it's Seinfeld heaven. What? The guy. Jerry Seinfeld? No, no, no. Kramer. Ohh, Michael rich. That's the joke. I was. Yeah. Michael Richards. Heaven would just be. I thought you were like, I want all the very Seinfeld scream slurs. I'm like, why would you want that, Robert? It's this one poorly constructed joke after another. You're waking up. I can see you're drinking coffee. You can see the pieces of the joke, right? Everything. I can see the ingredients. And but you just threw them in the bowl. That's actually how I cooked breakfast this morning. It's just oats without water. Drinking coffee just sitting on my dry oats. Ohh that's so nasty. I had the the breakfast place I go to. They finally told me that they think what I do to my breakfast is gross. Which is what do you do to your breakfast? I get a bagel with cream cheese and a tomato on top, and then I put so much salt on top of the tomato and the bagel, and then I dip the whole thing in five packets of ketchup. Now, you see, Jamie, I was actually going, like, I was planning before you gave that out, to, like, make fun of you for whatever it was you were doing because, like, you set the precedent that that was OK. But that does sound good. They were like, it's too much ketchup. It's too much salt. You're going to die. And I hope I do. Yeah, we all will. Yeah. Hopefully we get cancelled first so we have some time to sleep. Can we really have the time to panic? Yeah. It's time to talk about a man who was never cancelled and definitely should have been Arthur Desmond, who is almost certainly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this this guy, Ragnar Redbeard, who wrote this book, might is right. Obviously it was a pseudonym and we don't 100% know who wrote might is right, but we're about 90% sure it was Arthur Desmond. There are some people who will say it was Jack London, but he would have been like a teenager when the book came out. And also, Jack Lundon was not that racist. Well, that's pretty racist, yeah, but not that racist. So Arthur Desmond, in addition to being Ragnar Redbeard is probably or because he's Ragnar Redbeard, is widely considered to be the most internationally influential political thinker in New Zealand's history. Now there are only about 14 people in New Zealand. So this is an easier like, if you're going to pick a country to be the most influential international political thinker from, it's one of the easier ones. But unfortunately for New Zealand, he was a gigantic ***** ** ****. Oh yeah, well, on this show. Bad guy, this is actually I I'm excited to talk about this one with you because this is a guy who's more complicated than you'd expect from a dude who wrote a book called Might is right. And use the name Ragnar Redbeard. Yeah, he actually started out kind of awesome. So this is like a this is like a ******* godfather, like story of like a dude who seemed like he was kind of on a pretty great path and then basically became a Nazi. So it's, I mean, that's a, it's a common. Thread there is a that's relatable for many people in the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, unfortunately, yes, about 30% now. OK, I believe you. We don't know precisely when Arthur Desmond was born, or exactly where, nor do we know anything about his parents, Mark Derby, who's a historian who wrote a book about Arthur, said in an interview. I'm not certain that Arthur Desmond is his real given name. It probably isn't. If you dig into this guy as much as possible using the Internet, you'll run into speculation that was probably born around 1842. Certainly in the early 1840s he was of English and Irish. Percent. And he probably grew up somewhere around a Hawks Bay in New Zealand. Not. And that's Hawks. Hawks with an E yeah, it's a cool name. Now. One side I had in New Zealand, he had a New Zealand accent. Oh yeah, for sure. OK. This guy is going to inform my my opinion of him in his view. Just just imagine the guy. Like, just pick a random cast member from what we do in the shadows and assume that's how this guy sounded. Whichever one you want. Yeah. OK. So it's Brett. Yeah. OK. So it's great. Yeah. Good choice. Got it, got it. Now, one site I found makes the claim that Arthur Desmond's quote, background and date of birth has never been confirmed, because throughout his life he made a point of covering his tracks, which is always a sign that somebody was up to a lot of good. Now, whatever the reality of his mysterious origins, 1884 is the year in which Arthur Desmond first emerges solidly into the historical record. He was, you know, somewhere between like 20 and 40 when he stepped forward to declare his candidacy for Parliament, the editor of the Hawks Bay Herald wrote. Quote we only know that Mr Desmond is a cattle drover and that he is of radical tendencies. Desmond Rand? Yeah, yeah. He's a political radical in a way that's good for the time. He. He ran as a representative of the small settler and the working man, and he convinced about 190 people to vote for his platform, which was mainly based around what he called a single tax. This was a very revolutionary plan to eliminate all taxes within the colony and replace them with a single tax on land ownership. So he's anti aristocracy, anti elite. He just wants the the rich people to deal with the burden of taxes to like free up the common man and the laboring classes and whatnot. OK. Which seems, yeah, yeah. I mean pretty progressive for for the air. Pretty progressive for this area he's on. He's on a good track. Yeah, he's on a good track now. Work on between 20 and 40. Yeah, I don't know. Some, some sources say that he was like born in 1842 and, you know, the 1880s is when he got started into politics. But other sources say he was like 25 when he got started into politics. I really have no idea. Again, we don't know when this ****** was born. You know, it was also the mid 1800s. Nobody kept records. People just like dropped babies into fields and then off you went. We should just start describing ourselves this way. We're like, yeah, sometime, but between ages 20 and 40. I would love that to be on my driver's license. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, between 20 and 50. Yeah, somewhere in there. So yeah, he was. He was a radical politician. You would call him like a radical left wing pro labor guy. I'm going to quote now from one of his speeches during this. Where he's talking about sort of the working classes and their plight. I have seen men living in a Hut where no fire was allowed, going to bed on a wet, cold day to keep themselves warm. I have seen the wind and the rain coming in through the cracked roof and the winter storm whistling through the rafters as it does through the rigging of a ship. And I've also known of the owners of these colonial farms gallivanting and some London ballroom upon the profits of these slaves. Labor. So pretty pretty woke guy you know? Yeah, seems fine. He was also an outspoken defender of Maori rights to their own ancestral land. Ohh that's great. Yeah he was anti white people stealing native land. So that's cool. What's the twist? With this ************? It's less of A twist and more of like a a gradual turn that eventually leads to him going in the complete opposite direction. But it's it's yeah, well, we'll see if we can pinpoint where this happens. Alright, so, you know, obviously this guy's a left winger. The press at the time instantly started mocking him and his wild beliefs about land owners paying taxes and indigenous people existing. Arthur wrote back to his detractors and he accused the entire elected government of New Zealand of being a pack of thieves. He was promptly banned from being published in the Hawks Bay Weekly Courier. Nice. Three, yeah. Three years, yeah, yeah. He was like writing right in fiery letters to the editor. Now, three years later, in 1887, Desmond ran for Parliament again. He claimed that his radical politics had prompted the land owners he relied on for work to blacklist him. Unable to find work, he'd had to travel far from home in order to get hired by people who hadn't heard of him. In spite of this, Desmond doubled down on his stances, excoriating landlords, bankers, monopolists, and capitalists and general in his speeches. He also introduced a new policy. Now, rather than just taxing landholders, he also wanted to nationalize all large estates and effectively take land away from the very wealthy. OK, he was. Yeah. He's pretty cool. Yeah. I mean by by my opinion here. He was more successful in this campaign and actually obtained a majority of the votes in Taradale, which was the second largest town in the district. Many Kiwis cheered when he called banked directors, scoundrels and landlords blood sucking leeches. Yeah, in the present. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, you were, you were on board with either Desmond so far? Yeah. When the press attack is radical politics, he called them hirelings of monopoly, which was almost certainly fair. Nice, good bending, good band. They hire things of monopoly. Hmm. Yeah, that's like a ska band that advises people to pay their rent. Yeah, Dad's got pay rent on time. Like they're somehow always headlining in New Hampshire. Yeah, they're. Despite his substantial progress, Arthur Desmond still lost the election by some 400 votes. Now, a more patient Bernie Sanders, like radical, might have kept on building his base of support. After all, he'd tripled his number of voters between 1884 and 1887. That's pretty good for a radical politician. It's entirely possible he'd have won a seat in Parliament after another couple of years of base building and preaching his cost to the masses, but he never got that chance. Some of this may be due to the fact that he was an inpatient, cussed *** ** * ***** but mostly it was because he'd failed to actually pay back any of the debts incurred by his campaign, leaving his supporters holding the bag. By some accounts, he was quite literally run out of town. So that's cool. OK, wow, that's maybe a little bit of a scoundrel. Oh, good. I'm saying the right and someone says the right things and then it's secretly OK, so he's just like a he seemed like he was a force of good. And then it turned out he was maybe just a regular politician. He's still more complicated than that. We've got a lot to go before he heel turns, and it's I don't really know what to make of this guy. This is one of the more confusing figures I've dealt with, and there's a lot of aspects of what he believed like he was. I'll say this from the beginning, he was anti-Semitic, but also it it at the start, it doesn't seem like he was more anti-Semitic than anybody else. Like, OK, everybody was ****** towards Jewish people in ******* 1850s New Zealand or wherever you happen to be. That was just, that was just life, you know, or 1880s. It was just everyone was racist as hell. So Desmond next moved to a place with a very upbeat name of Poverty Bay. Which why would you name it that? It really seems like a self fulfilling prophecy. Like, like most people pick like upbeat and a Greenland we call like like like optimistic or Tejas, which means friendship. And the New Zealand's like, everyone here is just gonna be ******* poor. Yeah, that's what we're calling this place. And we can aspire for more, but why bother? Yeah, why is poverty Bay? You know, to some extent that's kind of comforting because you set the bar low. Nobody's gonna feel like they're a failure in poverty Bay. That's very true. So Desmond found work in a timber mill and on a series of small farms. The money was not good, the labor was backbreaking, and the strain of working all day for someone else's profit clearly wore on his soul. Years later, Desmond would write about this. Quote, many a time when lying on my back in a Bush Ware or a tent after a day of grinding toil, have I resolved that if I ever had the chance to sweep away such a brutal system, it would not be neglected? OK, this sounds like a yeah, this is like a first act of the movie kind of declaration. Yeah, OK now, during his time out in the Bush working at farms, he spent a lot of time with Maori people and at some point he met a fellow named Tate Kuti. Now, Tikuji was a Maori warrior and a former guerrilla leader. He basically been a terrorist. Like, this guy had been kind of like a New Zealand equivalent of a dude like he would. He'd been viewed a lot at least, like a guy like bin Laden. I don't think it was that bad, but he killed a lot of people. And then as an older man, he reformed and he built a church and he became more of like a a peaceful activist and was very, very popular. So this is a guy who like and like, in fairness, if you're a Maori in New Zealand at this point and you like decide to murder a bunch of white people, you have some good reason to do that. Yeah, I mean, usually really good reasons. Yeah, in general. Through terrorism. So wait, he was like, I was going to make a terrible, but it I don't. I every time someone was like, and then they kind of liked him at the end of his life, I'm like, oh, it's like when people gave Saddam Hussein, like, Doritos. Yeah. I mean, he seems like he was a charming guy. Saddam Hussein, we all, he had all given him. His Doritos. That's all I know. He did get his Doritos. I think take Booty was a better person than Saddam Hussein, but that is a low bar. Wow, really coming in hot for tickets. Yeah. Now, Desmond had initially started hanging out with Takuto's followers as part of an effort to learn some of their songs and rituals. It seems to have been like an anthropological thing then. He was just interested in Maori culture. And so you know it. At some point in, like, the the late 1880s, Takutu decides that he's going to head back to Gisborne, which is the town of his birth, and do like, like, visit there with some of his followers. And this is hugely controversial among the white people who live in the area. Because obviously this guy had been a terrorist for a long time. God. And they, like, formed an armed militia. And a lot of people are like, if he comes here, you know, we're gonna **** him up. And Arthur Desmond is the only white voter in the area, the only white dude. Because, like, obviously, like, nobody else is ******* voting. I don't think he's, like the only voter in the district with any sympathy for Tate County or the Maori in general. And when the town held a meeting about whether to whether to let take booty show up, Desmond was the only person who spoke in his defense. I'm going to quote now from Talker, which is a website about radical Australian. Politics. It's very sympathetic to Desmond quote. 500 people packed into a school room at Maharatna, and there was talk of bloodshed and massacres. They decided to arm themselves and stop Takutu. Desmond spoke on behalf of Tehuti. He told the meeting that he was acquainted with many of Takuto's followers and that Takuji meant them no harm. All he wished was to visit the place of his birth. The meeting ended in an uproar and he was thrown out. So at this point, pretty cool dude standing up for a native guy. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like. He's using his privilege responsibly. And you know how our listeners can use their privilege responsibly. Jamie, here I ******* comes. Yeah, this is an ad pivot. What? You know, no. Roll with it. I'm sorry. Don't let me interrupt you. Well, if you have privilege, why not spend it on the fine products and services that support this program? Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The best way to flex your privilege is to participate in capitalism. I think that we can all agree on that. Every radical philosopher can agree with that very simple point. Yes, Arthur Desmond certainly would listen. I'd pay $3 for a very salty bagel every day. We all and $4.00 for ******* twist top bottles of wine. Well, it was 350 yesterday. Jesus Christ. Therefore, therefore I must buy them. That's $0.75 per tiny bottle of wine. You're basically spending money to not buy wine at those prices. You really? And they and they are just juice. I don't even think they're alcoholic beverages. It was just like I drank 4 Kool-aid pouches and fell asleep, which also sounds nice. 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Let's break your handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to spreaker.com. That's spreaker.com. Get paid to talk about the things you love with spreaker from iheart. And we're back. So where we left off, Arthur Desmond has just gotten kicked out of a first meeting where he's argued on behalf of this this, this former guerrilla leader, current religious leader, Takutu. You still sound like cool. He's still pretty, pretty cool at this point. Now, the colonists mostly hated take booty because, you know, he'd been a violent insurgent at one point. And of course they were racist, but they primarily were scared because they thought he was going to disrupt the upcoming. Sale of a bunch of Maori land to white people. So they're they're big worry is that like, he's gonna organize the local Maoris to stop this transaction. So I'm going to quote from Tacfire again. A few days later, on the 21st of February and other large meeting took place, this time in Gisborne. 800 people attended and passed a resolution to stop. Take Hootie by any means necessary. Again, Desmond spoke in favor of Takutu's visit. He told the assembly that he had a message from the Maori leaders at the Karaka and informed them that they had no right to interfere in what was to be a peaceful visit. Again, the settlers wouldn't listen and a fight broke out. Desmond, slightly outnumbered, had to be escorted from the meeting by the police. He was described as the Pakeha emissary from the how House, which is like the pakia is like a word for white guy. The how Houser or tick cooties, you know, church in the New Zealand Herald and according to the paper, was lucky to get out of the meeting alive. By this stage, Poverty Bay was in a panic. The government stepped in and arrested take UTI and his 70 followers, many of them women and children, at Wayo Tahi Tecuci was charged with unlawful assembly and dispatched to the Mount Eden jail. So that's cool, all right. Yeah, this is it's taking him a suspiciously long time to become someone who's unsympathetic. That's part of what's interesting about this guy to me, is his journey. I think I kinda get why he turned into an ******* but that's the story we're building to. So I I think one of the problems when you have a guy who ends up where where Arthur Desmond ends up, which is basically a Nazi, is it's easy to like, work backwards and and sort of attribute like the worst. Attributes that he wound up believing to like his prior actions got so guys like Mark Derby, who is Desmond's biographer and probably knows more about the guy than I do, suspects that he mainly supported takutu because he admired the Maori leaders like violent past and his ruthlessness. I don't know how much I agree with that, and again, Derby has done more research than I have, but I did read a lot of Desmond's writings on Tee Cootie, and I can't help but feel that there was more going on than just his appreciation of the former. Insurgents like ability to do violence, like that's certainly a part of it. He does respect strength and like, this guy's the fact that, like, unlike the working classes of his time, this guy like stood up with a rifle and like, you know, right? Acted out what he believed in. But I I yeah, I I think there was more going on here. He wrote a poem about Tay Cooty, which was the first of many poems from Arthur Desmond, because he was actually, in my opinion, a pretty good poet. And I'm going to read an excerpt from that poem, the song of Takuji poem. No, it's actually pretty good. It's kind of like Kipling and style but at least from an early age, less racist. And then it gets way more racist than Kipling. So yeah, cool. They tried to enslave us, to trample us down like the millions that served them in field and town, but the sapling that's bended when freed will rebound, exult for tecuta Yoho. He plundered their rum stores, he ate up their priests. He robbed the rich squatters to furnish him feasts. What fair have so fine as their Clover fed beasts? Exult. Fritte Kuti yoho, yeah. In the wild midnight foray whose footsteps trod lighter in the flash of the rifle, whose eyeballs gleamed brighter. What man with our hero could clinch as a fighter? Exult for Takutu Yoho they say it was murder but what, then is war when they slaughtered our kin and the flames of the paw oh, darker their deeds and more merciless by far. Exult for takutu Yoho so he's like. He he uses a lot of yoohoos there. Yoho a lot. I did. This is the most yoyoing I have ever done in this. So, wait, you're like, that poem is awesome. Yeah, you can see, you can see, you can see his appreciation for the guys violence, but you can also see that it comes from, like, his recognition that these people have been oppressed by colonial power. And he's like, look, you can call this guy brutal, but like, the whole colonial system is 1000 times more brutal than whatever violence this insurgent dealt. And that's the real crime. See, what I was seeing was an A/B rhyming pattern. And the B is always, yo ho, hey, hey, look, it's his first poem, OK? Ohh, that was a fun 4th grade assignment. I am. I am going to read a lot more poems before this episode is out. Jimmy loft, there are, there are. This is the most poems we're gonna have in an episode. Does he ever go slam? Does he ever go off the rhyme scheme? I think in a modern era this guy would be a white rapper. He would be and would probably take like a violent right wing turn. He'd be like one of those Flat Earth rappers who like rants about, like Talmudic Jews. Like, yeah, they're like, I'm going on a tour across the Flat Earth. Like, yeah, look out for your boy may fall off the edge. Yeah, yeah, that he would be that guy 1000% amazing. OK, so after the end of his political career, Arthur Desmond moved to Auckland. He got a job as what's called a gum digger, which I did not look up because I I just want to imagine that as like literally a harvesting, like chewing gum from the the world. I know it's got to do with trees. I understand what it really is, but I'm going to pretend that it's. He's digging up like. Like Bubble Yum, he became a he became a member of the Timber Workers Union, which was a fairly new thing at that point. Unions were just starting to take off all over the world in the late 1800s, and this was part of a global socialist trend. Workers of the world uniting in order to strike and bargain together for a larger share of the wealth they created for their capitalist masters. Things started to look up for Desmond. He was appointed to represent the timber union at the Auckland Trades Council. And finally he saw his fellow laboring people realize how badly their bosses and landlords. The ******* them over his firebrand instincts and poets heart made him an inspiring voice for labor. During a maritime strike, he started publishing a newspaper tribune. It took off among laborers and helped make Desmond a major leader inside the strike. So he was just like he just like, marching around New Zealand being like Yoho y'all. We gotta there's probably a lot of yoohoos you're your landlords and *******. Yoho. Look, you couldn't get out of bed in the 1890s without a yoho or three, like, let's be fair here. Yeah, that's true. Alright, so this is cool, yeah, yeah. In one issue of Tribune he wrote quote how can we expect just legislation and equal laws when those who control private plundering concerns are our legislators? Which is a fair, fair question. Yeah. For the first time in his life, things seem to be going very well for Arthur Desmond. Thanks to the Tribune, he was finally making a living as a writer, his dearest ambition. And he had a prominent role stirring up the working class against the capitalist pig dogs, his other dearest ambition. For a brief, shining moment, he tasted the sweet liquor of success. Those of us lucky enough to have drank it, now it tastes exactly like Shasta Cola. Arthur Desmond's major target. What? That that does? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I was. I was just appreciating that turn of phrase. Thank you. Arthur Desmond's major target during this. Was the Bank of New Zealand, which he saw as the oppressive heart of the capitalist regime. And it sort of was definitely was. Absolutely it was. The Bank of New Zealand was incredibly corrupt and existed primarily to make the rich richer, something that has been true of no other bank in history on a regular basis. Desmond excoriated them from his secret office hidden inside the headquarters of the Auckland Employers Association. So he he sets up an office in this big building and starts printing like this, like far left anti capitalist. Magazine without anyone there like knowing it and without paying rent or anything like that. And he he gets away with it for about 3 weeks and then yeah, that's about all you could do. That very stressful 3 weeks. Yeah, there's this weird unshowered guy printing off pages of of newsletters. Should we do something about that? Comes up to him is like, hey, you get outta here. And he's a giant redheaded man like he's he's not. He's hard to miss. Yeah, so he's a giant, like redheaded guy from New Zealand who will eventually take on the rap name Ragnar Redbeard. I would if you told me Ragnar Redbeard was a current, like, White SoundCloud rapper. I wouldn't blink. I would. I suspect there are some. There's definitely like, metal artists who use that name and variations of it. Yeah, it does. And there's like metal albums titled Might is right. He's inspired a lot of Nazi metal. Good. Well, yes. So unfortunately, yeah. After about three weeks, the people who ran the association realized what was going on. They told Desmond to clear his **** out, and as revenge, Arthur Desmond forged a confidential letter from a cabinet minister to the association, basically accusing them of kicking him out on the orders of a crooked politician. He used this falsified information to accuse the Association of conspiracy. Now, this did not sit well with the Cabinet minister that Desmond had implicated in a fake crime. He sued Desmond for criminal libel, which Arthur Desmond was absolutely guilty of committing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So he kind of oversteps here and things get worse. I'm going to quote next from Tiara and online New Zealand focused encyclopedia quote. His opponents retaliated with accusations that his article Christ is a social reformer, first published in the literary magazine Zeelandia in June 1890 and reprinted as a pamphlet with an introduction by George Gray, had been plagiarized from an American magazine. Desmond claimed that the American article had been stolen from his own and dismissed the accusation as an electioneering Dodge. His attackers included the leaders of the single tax movement in Auckland. With whom he had also fallen out. Desmond next appeared in Wellington, where in early 1891 he endeavored to interest the Wellington Trades and Labor Council in supporting a new labor paper. He lectured on the Wellington waterfront on Sunday afternoons. A young man, Irish, eloquent, poetic, hard up, red haired and red bearded as how he was described. OK, so he gets he gets cancelled for plagiarizing and he has to move to Wellington. I like the. I like this whole like old timey narrative of when you get cancelled, you move, you just go to another city, goes somewhere else, and wait to get cancelled there. Yeah, there was a time in which going from LA to San Diego was like landing on the ******* moon, right? Right. You just have a new name. They're like, Oh yeah. By the way, I did look up Ragnar Redbeard SoundCloud and there is a result of an Austrian man he hasn't uploaded for six years, but he has nine, he has 9 followers, and. Hit some of his songs are called love isn't everything Tuesday again. Destroy with love. None of this sounds like at our Ragnar Redbeard. No, I mean, but it does. So, but all of all of his album art is pictures of his ABS, but not his head. I mean, are are his ABS fire, Jamie? His? Yeah, they're good. They're good. He's wearing a leather jacket and then it's just his ABS. Yeah. Well, OK, so that's just a quick plug. Yeah, listen to this defunct SoundCloud rapper. Or at least look at his sweet, sweet *** sweet washboard abs. Hmm. Hey. Good for him, good for him. It's weird that we call them washboard abs, because I feel like the period of time in which people figured out how to have really nice ABS was not the period of time in which anyone used washboards to wash clothing. And I also don't think a lot of people can like call to mind the image of a washboard. No. Very quickly, no. It's one of those things I just learned recently that uppercase and lowercase letters referred to. Like back when people used printing presses, you kept all the capital letters in one case, like a literal case and the lower case, like, like there was an upper and a lower case in the box where you kept the letters. This is not. That's where we just say this. But history is so stupid. It's really dumb. It's so dumb. Wow. Well, we've got yeah, we've got stuff like that. Like there's the ******* icon of a floppy disk in the top left. Like a Word document or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I guess washboard ABS is like that. Wash anyways, yeah? Arthur Desmond probably had washboard abs at this point because he rarely got enough money to eat properly. Sick because he was a poor yeah. Intermittent fasting? Hmm. Which is what happens when you get cancelled for plagiarism and wind up working on the docks. You fast a lot and get really sexy. Oh, I'm sure he was hot as **** at this point. Cool. So Desmond did not stay in Wellington long. Rather than battle the lawsuits over defamation and plagiarism, Arthur took the root of all great. Conman and fled his home country for a less law bound land. In his case it was Australia and in Desmond's defense all Australians are criminals. So it's a solid place to run after being caught committing numerous crimes. Wow, he went there. He did, he did and I will go there. I am firm about Australians being criminals. Don't let them behind you if you keep your wallet in your back pocket. Now Desmond landed in Sydney and immediately got back to the thing he did. Best rabble rousing. Arthur befriended the leading men in Australia's labor movement. Including two guys who would go on to become Australian prime ministers. He started writing articles and poems again and by 1889 was known as the Poet of Revolution. In my opinion, he was pretty good. I'm going to read one piece he published in Reynolds newspaper. I think he gets better at this point. So we'll see how you think, Jamie. We'll see. We'll see. I kind of like some of them. Yeah, like I yoho *****. It's good. OK. So here's a poem he wrote. Yeah. I don't need. I don't need your **** Sophie. I'm gonna read a poem. I'm gonna read a *** **** poem. Go read a poem. Express yourself as you were, my son. Some sleigh with sword and some well, come on. Some sleigh with sword and some with words. Some half no battle plan, some stab with venom. Subtle word. Each does the best he can and each man gets what he can win. Great wealth, great love or fame. the Conqueror gets his just reward. The conquered gets his shame. And weak ones wear a crown of thorns or bleat in living hell. The strong man crowns himself with gold in all the world as well, and each man gains what others lose. No use to reason why. Each plants his heel on fallen foes by love or law or lie. It's a little boom, kind of dark. That's really good. You can you it's interesting to me. You can see where his, you can see his, his, his ideology has started to move on from like this, sort of like habitual support of the working class and like anti elite to like this. The strong get what they can take and that's sort of normal. Like he's starting to like he's, he's gotten jaded at this point. So he's in his like, Moody poetry. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's he's, he's gotten, he's, he's turning emo a little bit. The yoohoos are gone. He's on the CB wave now and OK, OK. He does change up his rhyme scheme. He does, yeah. He he took poetry too. And he's like, oh, there's that. He's taking poetry three in a minute here. It's uncool to rhyme. Though who with yo ho hey hey. This podcast is pro rhyming Yoho with Yoho. That's fair. Now Desmond starts another newspaper, at this point named hard cash. Tacfire describes it as a journal of finance and politics published in Sydney. Desmond was clever as an accountant, and his articles on how money rules the world were well watched by businessmen. Now Desmond's like hard cash was filled with, like, tips about which banks were going to go up and, like, where you should pull your money out of and which companies. We're gonna take downturns. And he developed a reputation of being incredibly accurate. So he starts making a lot of money off of this because both, like working class people will buy it to know, like, how to protect their money or what banks to pull it out of. But also like, the capitalist class starts buying it because he's just, he's always, he's pretty much always right about these things. And the police wind up on his tail because they're like #1. How the **** does this guy know all this stuff? And #2, he's like causing runs on banks by telling people to pull their money out of banks and stuff. And he's also. Kind of making himself very comfortable by selling this, this journal. So he's gone from like a labor organizer fighting for the rights of the indigenous people to like advising people on how to make a killing in the stock market essentially like that would be the modern comparison. But he's he seems to be doing it with an eye towards ******* up the economy. So he's he's still kind of an anti capitalist guy, but he's also profiting heavily off of his anti capitalism, right? That's kind of how I translate it. Yeah. OK. OK. So we're not, I'm not, I'm not totally lost yet. OK, not totally lost yet. But you're also he trouble on the horizon. Trouble on the horizon. He's getting more more cynical and kind of profiteering off of his off of his activism. Yeah. Which, you know, you could look at it. He always was sort of doing that. It's a little hard to tell because we don't have huge amounts of information about his earlier life. It honestly sounds like he just wants to be a poet, but is like. Well, I guess I have to do this other stuff to, you know, like keep my poetry career moving. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's got a he's, he's got to start the Wall Street Journal in order to get his poems published. Yeah, that's that's kind of what's going on here. OK, now, as an illegal magazine, hard cash was printed on a secret printing press hidden inside a cave at a place called Westst Bush in Paddington. Because Australia is a ridiculous place. The Australian Justice Department tried to shut it down. They weren't able to track down Arthur Desmond because at this point he was pretty good at avoiding the law. However, they succeeded in arresting several other organizers who wrote for hard cash. And these people, like, stuck with Desmond. They wouldn't give him up to the police. But Desmond kind of abandons them immediately. Like he he's like, he's just, he's just ******* in the wind. So his conspirators get six month sentences and get charged with libeling, the Prime Minister, and Desmond flees from the law and keeps writing revolutionary articles. In the early 1890s he joined up with the active Service brigade, which was and by some accounts he actually created the active service brigade. And this is an anarchist political Action Group. Now, I've read two different sort of descriptions of what this was. The the Pro Radical Politics description is that like conservative politicians were infiltrating labor groups and left wing groups with like hidden, you know, paid informants and stuff. And the the active service brigade would go in there and like. The **** out of those people and protect labor organizing meetings to ensure free speech. OK? And the other's description of what happened is that he started a group of people who would beat the **** out of anyone they disagreed with who tried to run for political office and like break up conservative political rallies. I have no idea which is the actual case, OK? Probably a lot of both, to be honest. Yeah, it doesn't sound like either. Like scenario is entirely likely a little bit of a he said she said nature to that. Yeah, I'm gonna guess the Conservatives are like ******* around and trying to infiltrate left wing political groups and the active service brigade ferrets those guys out. And I'm also going to guess they beat the **** out of a lot of people who just disagree with them, because Arthur Desmond's kind of * ****. Yeah, I mean, he only becomes a famous Nazi. Yeah, he does become a famous Nazi. I can't say which version of events is true, but probably both, right? And that's usually the case with situations like this. Now, on paper, the ideals of the active service brigade were high. They claim to stand for free speech and attempted to quote change the present competitive system into a cooperative social system. Those lofty goals stood in contrast to the deep economic depression that was then sweeping through. Australia's banks were collapsing. In part due to the work that Arthur Desmond had carried out as the editor of Hard Cash. Swish. And yeah, Desmond finally was arrested, you know, in the early 1890s, not for running an illegal newsletter but for writing, going bunk in chalk on the wall of a bank, which seems to have been like part of an. Yeah, he was like writing that a bank was about to run out of money, basically. So he's trying to create a run on the bank by, by putting this graffiti up, and he gets busted for that. But he got busted for a Banksy crime. Yeah, he did. He did. I mean, like. It's definitely more radical than Banksy. He was actually trying to destroy a bank by doing this. Yeah, like, this is the 1890s. Everything was easier. No, that's ********. I mean, I'm. I'm back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if it is an easier era when you could, like, **** a bank up by writing, it's out of money on the side and chalk and people just be like, Oh no, wow. The people just learned to read. They won't believe it. Ohh. Wow. OK. So he did. He did a little bit of graffiti. He did a little bit of graffiti. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Now the government. Obviously hated Desmond's anarchist group, as all the governments hate all anarchists doing anything. Desmond was repeatedly accused of sundry dynamite plots, and it's anyone's advice as to whether or not he actually tried to blow anything up with dynamite, to be honest, probably, yeah. I mean, he sounds like that guy that he does sound like that guy. Dynamite plan. And and there was a lot of anger all over the world at this point. Late 1890s, early 1900s. There's a lot of anarchists blowing a lot of things up with a lot of dynamite. Like when dynamite. First, gets made. They didn't think that, like, there's this interesting period in history when, like, they know how to make really effective explosives that anyone can use, but there also aren't laws against anything. So it's like dynamite gets men like, well, I guess we should just sell this to everybody. And it leads to some problems. I'm just a little yeah. Geez. OK. Yeah. He's a dive. I believe 100% that he's a dynamite guy. There's a really good chance he's a dynamite guy, for sure. Yeah, sure. I have no trouble believing that. No. Now, throughout all this, Desmond continued to fight to convince the laboring class to rebel against their capitalist masters. In 1893, he wrote another poem titled Labor Song for the Hilariously named Waga Worker. Which I assume makes more sense if you understand Australia. Wagga worker. OK. The wago work. It's cute, right? It's a it's like a baby. It's like a it's like a baby trying to say mega. He's. Yeah. Worker. This is definitely the opposite of MAGA, though. Well, that's well. Robert turned them upside down. What do you have? Wow. Exactly. Obvious. Tell where he's headed. What? We're gonna read another poem? Ohh, you bet your ***. We're gonna read another poem. Jamie Loftus. So this was published along with a short one sentence. Editorial that just said, if you vote for the government, you vote for your own coffin. Political so now here I'm going to read labor song above the Senate's brawl, the madding roar for gain. Do you hear the Christmas Carol, the felons clanking chains beyond, beyond prison walls, your leg ironed comrade slaves, while here in marble walls are harlots, Knights and knaves, your comrades rotten jail, the hungry cry for bread. Your wives are thin and pale, their hearts are filled with dread, and earth resounds with praise and holy, heavenly tones. Well, tigers prowl the land to crush your children's bones. Ho men of NSW, Hark, here the fetters clink. Are you but Eunuch Charles that only scream and slink? If you were virile men, you'd raise your strong right arm beard tigers in their DIN to guard your mates from harm. You live the life of dogs. You tug and **** and strain you back. The slaver flogs while raking in his gain. You see your sister starve, you see them on the marts. You hear the tiger snarl while rending out their hearts. Omen of NSW behold your ruffian horde, who spurn you with their hoof. And bash you with the sword. Behold the butcher band, that sheer and tan your hide. Have you not grit to stand and tame their wolfish pride? You rise to voice your wrongs. They club you for your pains. We all out their murderous guns to scatter. Splash your brains. They steal your public lands, they steal the cash you earn. Ho, cringe to their commands. You're only dogs, not men. In glittering halls they feast harlots, Knights and knaves while inside prison walls, your leg ironed comrade slaves home in of NSW. Hark here, the fetters clink. Are ye but eunuch slaves? And only scream and slink. I liked that one. That was a better poem, right? He's got good. I was. I was trying to, but no, that one slaps. That's a good one. Alright? That's a good poem. And you can see where he's he's like, he's still a labor guy. He's still on the side of, like, the working man, but he's like, ****** ***. He's like, why won't people ******* rebel? Like this ****** been ****** ** for so long. Just keeps. I feel people dickless. He's just like you've. Yeah. You ******* eunuchs. If you were victorious laborers. Yeah. Yeah. You just you had some *******. He's definitely like a misogynist. At this point. But it's the ******* 1880s. What do you want? What? Yeah, it's the 1880s, right. OK. So everyone's a misogynist, and that's normal and good, and we love that. It's not normal. Like, in fairness, like people like Emma Goldman, like, there's a lot of anarchists who are actually, like, kind of radical about gender equality at this point. But Arthur Desmond is not one of them. But he's not I I genuinely. Yeah, I I liked that one. Yeah. It was a good poem. I liked the part where I was like, I don't know, I don't know. And then it said. Russia. Child's bones. And I was like, alright, I like it. **** yeah. Yeah. No, it's you can, you can. There's something like that's kind of understandable there, if you like. Like, most of us, I think, have, like, looked out at the world recently, been like, why the **** are we letting this **** happen? Like, that's that. That's an understandable impulse, to be, like, frustrated by that after so many years. Yeah. No, I like it. Yeah. You know what? I like Jamie. What? Tell me. Tell me. I know products and services. Yeah, you know what? You know what won't crush your children's bones? The advertisers, or depending on what you're in the market for. Yeah, they might crush your bones. Might crush your bones. You gotta be careful. *** ****. *** **** pills will give you a bone to crush. Well, that could just be a service, too, crushing your child's bones. Ohh, I wish we advertised for dominatrixes. But not the ones that crush children's bones. Just adult bones. I was thinking recently. I wish that a taxidermist. That sign on with our show, I think. Oh, wouldn't that be cool? 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So, as you can see by that poem, he was pretty well on his way to being very disenchanted with left wing politics. You can hear the frustration and rage at the broader masses of the working class and their failure to rise up in revolution. The Labour government in Australia's mild reforms had taken much of the wind out of the left sails, and after 1893, Desmond's writings grew more defamatory towards elected leaders and markedly more anti-Semitic. His authoritarian tendencies also grew more and more pronounced. And it's here that we're going to get into some real fun left wing political theory discussion. You love political theory, Jamie. Love it? Yeah. Now, Desmond was definitely like in the anarchist sort of strain of thought by this point in time, but obviously that body of political theory is is pretty wide. There's a lot of different types of anarchists, and the particular variety Desmond seem to be most sympathetic to is called egoism. Now, the simple, partly accurate summary of egoism is the idea that self-interest should be the foundation of morality and and like the more. Positive way to translate that is that like systems that force people to act against their own self-interest, like capitalism forcing a laborer to work in a deadly mine in order to make ends meet, like that's fundamentally unethical because it forces people to act against their self-interest. There's gotta be a better name for it than egoism. It needs. Yeah, yeah, it needs work. You've got some notes on this fringe political theory? Yeah. Now Lefty politics is a complex Galaxy of frustratingly different belief systems, most of which sound like nonsense. Anyone who hasn't read a bunch of books by dead Men? My definition of egoism isn't even super accurate to the egoism practiced by most egoists today, because there's roughly as many different branches of that theory as there are egoists, which is to say about 50. Is there like egoists Twitter? Yeah, there sure is. Ohe, yeah, they they ******* love. There's this guy, Max Stirner, who's like probably the most well known egoist philosopher people on there's a big chunk of people on Twitter who ******* love his **** which I don't understand and will not attempt to analyze, but he was a big influence on Arthur. Desmond Sterner wrote a book called The Ego and his own and I again, I don't really understand Sterners writings. They seem kind of like, I don't know, like nonsense to me, but I did find a summary of it by a group of ********. Libertarians with the American Institute for Economic Research Scary Max Stirner's individualist anarchism is a way to overcome the horrors of the modern state. He envisions a union of rational egoists in a society that does not need a ruler. The community of rational egoists is a universal commercial society. In fact, the more a society is based on voluntary exchange, the less right it is and thus less effective. The force individualist anarchism carries its purpose in itself and does not serve a higher end. The rational egoist will respect the rights of others because he respects himself. He will not be violent. Because he does not want to be attacked. This attitude of the individual anarchist stands in sharp contrast to the destructive role of the collectivist entities. Individual egoism is the answer to the egoism of the collectives, sterner wrote. My cause is neither the divine nor the human. It is not the true, the good, the right that free, etcetera, but only mine. And it is not universal. But it is unique, like me as I am, only I. Nothing goes beyond me and myself. I know, right? I don't like him. No, I don't like him either. I don't like him. He doesn't seem like he would be. I don't agree with him and I don't think he'd be fun to be around. Well, and it's the way that Sterner writes is kind of so broad that there's there's like a right wing and a left wing interpretation of the same book that come to really different conclusions because there's a lot of sterner rest egoists who are not at all the pro capitalism interpretation and who take a totally different message from it. Again, I've tried to read the book and I just decided to go read about the Syrian civil war more because that's more uplifting. It's just it's it's it's frustrating to me. I don't like political theory. I kind of doubt that, Desmond. Subscribe to the libertarian interpretation of Sterner's ideas because of his hatred of capitalism. And also he was not at all an advocate of nonviolence, and in fact, in the early 1890s he increasingly became an advocate for extreme violence. He started to write lovingly of man as the fighting, roving, pillaging, lusting, cannibalistic animal par excellence. So he definitely is takes a lot of these egoist ideas in, but he is not the pacifist kind. He's not the oh, if I don't hurt anyone, they won't hurt me. He's the killing, rape, and. Conan the barbarian. Kind of ******* egoist. So that's that's that's where this guy starts turning. It's his frustration against the failure of the labor movement to rise up like bills, right? OK, yeah. During his last months in Australia, Arthur Desmond started to publish a 25 page tract, the survival of the fittest, which outlines some of his new ideas. In it he wrote about Man's desire to destroy as the thing that makes him the absolute monarch of the world. Now, Desmond was not the progressive sort of lefty either. He viewed women as frail. Beings at the best of times and wrote for the welfare of the breeds and the security of dissent. They must be held through subjection. He promised disaster would follow if quote ever these lovable creatures should break loose from mastership and become the rulers or equals of man. Was he single? For most of his life, yeah. He did marry a girl that was like 20 something years younger than him when he was an old man. And then she left very quickly after that. Jesus. And she died in the sanitarium. He does sound absolutely unlovable. I will say that. Yeah. He sounds hard to get along with. Yeah. You get that feeling from the guy. Yeah. OK, so he's single and he doesn't like it. He's single and he does not leave. There's actually a lot of Insel stuff coming. Yeah. It's like you can just feel like she's frail and I actually don't even *******. Care, but I'm just really because it needs to be said. One of the things that's interesting about might is right, which we're going to cover the book in a lot of detail. In Part 2, he kind of predicted 30% of the Internet. And not the good 30%, you know what? 30% see progressive but not good. Yeah, he's he's ahead of his time, but not in a positive sense of that phrase. Like, he's ahead. He's ahead of his time in the same way that, like the guy is in the 1890s, who imagined like the mass bombing campaigns that would be the future of warfare were ahead of their time? Yeah, like they were right, but not in a good way, but not in Incan also. It's like, then also, I mean good for you for predicting something terrible that people. Were powerless to yeah. Yeah. So Desmond had other influences besides Sterner. And again, I don't want to like, I don't want to like, leave with the impression that Max Stirner would have necessarily supported Desmond's conclusions about, like, women and all of this stuff like, this is just like, yeah. Yeah. I'm not. I I don't know enough about sterner to say that, but that is what Desmond takes out of the writing. Yeah. Desmond Desmond's opinions on women seem more like a hymn thing. Yeah. That was going on way before he started identifying as an ego, as to he was always. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of, you know, male poets who feel that way. No. Misogynist male poets. You you would be shocked. Not I I'm not even thinking of anyone. Ohh. I am thinking of someone. OK, never mind. Go ahead. I'm gonna keep standing my woke King Richard Kipling, who I think is fair to describe as the least racist man in history. Well, there you go. Yeah, let's not let's not Fact Check that at all. Yeah, let's not Fact Check that in any way, shape or form. No, no. Desmond had. Desmond had other influences besides Sterner. Charles Darwin's writings on natural selection impressed upon him. An almost religious belief in the importance of survival of the fittest, which is never a good set of thoughts to head too far down. He also devoured Nietzsche, particularly the anti-Semitic bits of niche theory. All this, combined with his increasingly rabid disdain for the Placid working class, turned Desmond from a labor organizer into a man who believed quote it is natural for men of power to rule feeble men. OK, and yeah, in 1894 the police finally got close enough to catching Arthur that he was forced to flee to Britain. We don't know precisely what he did during this. There are stories that he traveled to Manchuria and South Africa getting up to God knows what. By the time he landed in North America in 1895, he had made the full transition from Union man to leftist revolutionary to nihilistic egoist. He settled in Chicago and almost immediately published a book, their survival of the Fittest in 1896. We actually have. One of the newspaper ads for this tone, and boy, is it something. So this is actually for a later version of the book when he changed the title to might is right, but it's still a good note to end on. So I'm gonna read, I want, I want Sophie to show you that ad and I'm going to read it out. So it says in big capital letters, might is right the only book of its kind ever printed. If you don't like this book, don't keep it. Send it back at once and I will refund your money and pay postage both ways. Might is right or survival of the fittest by Ragnar Redbeard. This is an historical and scientific revendication of the grand Old Anglo-Saxon. Or a philosophy they can take, who have the power and they can keep who can. Yeah, and rugged boldness of style and volcanic energy of thought. This epic marking volume is without doubt the most remarkable pronouncement that has appeared in Christendom for 15 centuries. Ragnar Redbeard, taking up the threat of Darwinism where Spencer and fear and trembling had laid it down, points out that the higher type of Organism is the warrior, and that battle is the process ordained by nature for dividing the born subordinates and cowards from born nobles and proprietors. Then war for life and land and love. The women, power and gold this earth and all its treasures. Vast is booty for the bold, booty for the bold, booty for the mold, baby for the bold. OK yeah, yeah, I like. And there's a picture of a cowboy. Yeah. The cartoon of the Cowboy on his horse like, this is just a throbbing penis of an advertisement was like, hey, this is. He could have just published a picture of *** **** ** the paper and it would have worked out the same booty for the bold, booty for the. Ohh, like, in the opening of the ad, he also gets defensive for no reason. He's like, yeah, this book ******* rules. If you don't like it, you can return it. Like, what is it? Turn it, *****. Like, I don't know if I'll like it. He's like, no, it's like he's anticipating rejection. How could you not like it? Look at the ******* cowboy. And he's like, and I would be ******* remiss if I didn't include a little bit of a poem. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see the cowboy drawing clearly has a big beard. Yeah, I think. I think that's. As a cowboy branding. Yeah. God Gee. So what do you like? You love it? You love it, Jamie. Ohh, you're going to be you're going to be so frustrated next episode. We're going to read a lot from Midas, right? Next episode. And you are going to be beside yourself. Can't. Who could I? This is like, this is like the ******* founding father of in cells and, like the ******* worst parts of the alt, right? Like, how could I not read this to you, Jamie? It's true. It's it. It does upset me. Most, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, he had a good run there for a little while, but now he had a good run there for a little while. And then he became the patron St of men who have a pile of *** socks beside their bed next to their rifle. Just like. Yeah, just like a gun next to a petrified sock. Just one that doesn't flop if you pick it up. The sock is the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is it's one of those anime pillows. Ohh no. Yeah. If he'd been born in modern times, Desmond would have definitely ****** a pillow with a Japanese waifu girl on it. He would have, yeah. He would have gotten one of the pillows with the holes in it. He would have had one. Oh yeah? Yeah. Well, you know Arthur, Desmond confirmed for pillow *******. Yeah, and I'm not saying pillow ******* is a bad thing. I'm just saying he fits the bill. He fits the bill. Hmm. Now, Jamie, in our next episode, we're going to go into detail about what exactly Arthur laid out in his manifesto, how it was received. And how it continues to influence people today. But that's all gonna come on Thursday. For now, Jamie Loftus, it's time for you to deliver your manifesto in the form of plug in your plug cables. OK, plug cables. I wanted to plug Ragnar. Red beards. SoundCloud, of course, everyone. I haven't listened to it yet, but I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Please hit my mentions. I will forget that I said this, and I will be confused. I'm on Twitter at Jamie Loftus help, and you can listen to me on the Bechtel. Passed every Thursday at. Oh, wait, no. And every Thursday. Yeah, that. Yeah, that's, that's. And if you're in New York or LA, I'm doing my, my one person show that is basically Elizabeth Holmes in October. So you can, you can come. Elizabeth Holmes would have really appreciated the wisdom, and Midas right, she she seems about just delusional enough to be yeah, into it. Oh brother, you cannot find me on SoundCloud. Although once I get cancelled, I do plan to start a second career as a SoundCloud rapper. That would be a great place for you to retreat to. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter when I get unbanned, which presumably will happen. Well, Jamie, I posted a link to an article that I wrote about a terrorist attack. Hate that Twitter banned me for that. Yeah, yeah. They hate it when you they hate when you report the truth. That's bad when you write. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's it's it's fun. You can find me, presumably by the time this airs, hopefully on Twitter, at I write OK you can find this podcast on Twitter at behind the back or at ******** pot. Jesus Christ. You can find us on the Internet at behindthebastards.com, along with the sources for this article. You can buy T-shirts, you can buy cups, can buy branded, branded Tasers, tear gas, grenades, whips and chains. Everything you need to make might write in your life off of T public.com. Just look up behind the ********. Terrifying, yeah? Terrifying. Well, what else, Robert? What is there something else movie? 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