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Part One: Mike Adams: The Deadliest Fake News Icon You've Never Heard Of

Part One: Mike Adams: The Deadliest Fake News Icon You've Never Heard Of

Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:00

Part One: Mike Adams: The Deadliest Fake News Icon You've Never Heard Of

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Dan doesn't listen to the show. I'm sorry, Robert. He's he's been lying to you this entire time. That was me trying to come out of the gate with a hot bit and it just fell flat. Well, I listen to y'all show constantly. It's one of my regular pieces of gym listening. You do a show about Alex Jones and his his entire world. Of of madness and and Jones himself is such a typhoon of nonsense that he provides you with enough content for what, 5 to 7 hours a week of podcasts at least? It's too much. Whatever it ends up being for sure. Yeah, it's it's it's really crazy, you know, been doing the show for like 2 years and I'm still surprised from time to time. It's a he's nuts. Somebody showed us that we had done 300 episodes and we had no idea. That's a clue. Content that was like six months ago, like that, that we had no idea. Yeah, you blazed past that number at this point again. Well, today we're talking about someone who is very much in the orbit of Alex Jones. Although at this point, it might be fair to say that Jones is more orbiting around him. Or maybe they're one of those situations where I think you both know more about astrophysics than I do. But aren't there situations where you have, like 2 Suns in the solar system? And it it it's terrible for everything, I think. Do you mean a binary star system? There we go. Thank you. Star Trek, man. I know. No further things than that. It's called a binary star system. I was just bluffing so hard. It was great. Jordan also doesn't know who you're about to talk about. No clue you don't intentionally withheld that information from. It's our gig, man. I'm not supposed to know what's going on. Ohh, beautiful. Beautiful. Well, our audience will not know this person. You will know them well. We are talking today about Mike Adams. What wasn't the elated response? No, that's what the response he deserves. So I'm going to start with the lead in from something you guys already know a little bit about. But is is something I think will will draw the audience in before we start back at the beginning of Mike's career. So if you'll indulge me in this on February 14th, 2018, roughly 2:30 PM, a Nazi ***** ** **** walked into the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL and started shooting. He left 17 people dead in his wake, along with dozens upon dozens of traumatized students who would deal with the mental scars and survivors. Quote for the rest of their lives, some of those children went on to become gun control advocates. One of the most prominent of this group is a young man named David Hogg. Now when someone chooses to enter a political debate like the gun control debate, they open themselves up to argument to their views being questioned. But certain segments of the armed right were not content with just disagreeing. With David Hogg, a concerted effort began to turn him into a boogeyman, a fascist monster, and potentially a government deep cover agent. Less than a month after the Parkland shooting, a website called a Hog Watch went live. Were you guys aware of? Dogwatch all too. Yeah, I bet you've forgotten. But I'm. I I was aware of that for sure. I know it exists, but I refuse to believe it is anything other than a dedicated farm Cam. And that's that's the end of that. Just people. Old, old maids going out there and polishing up a pig. Do you remember when the National Park had those dedicated cameras for eggs to see when they were gonna they were gonna hatch? That is what I want hog watch to be. I remember when we all thought that's what the Internet would mostly be is weird little things like that. That was a good time. And it's like, Speaking of hogwash, one of my favorite things on the old Internet was this crazy old hillbilly in Louisiana who would just, like, kill havalina. And, like, increasingly it like convoluted ways. Like, it was his job, like, these. These are like an invasive species, and they would destroy, like, all of these rice farms and stuff. And there were too many of them to deal with, with, like, conventional weapons. So he built, like, drone rigs and stuff to help him. And it was just like this lunatic out in the middle of nowhere. I wish that's what Hog watch was, but it's not, unfortunately. The website called David Hogg an anti gun sociopath, a gun control fascist, and declared him the most dangerous man in America. The fact that this teenager used curse words in public a few times led to him being dubbed a profanity laced foul mouthed student who was seething with anger. Yeah, justifiably so. Yeah. Yeah, like, that's fine. I mean, yes, seeing a lot of my friends shot would fill me with anger. My response would be, **** that. Yeah, pretty normal reaction. Hog watch was Ground Zero for spreading the myth that David Hogg was a crisis actor. When a vicious meme comparing a picture of hog to a picture of Adolf Hitler was deleted from Facebook, a fellow named Mike Adams, founder of the website, wrote this. One meme that has also been banned apparently shows Hog raising his right arm in a manner that the Nazis used to raise their arms juxtaposed next to Hitler raising his the comparison works because it's exact. Now no one knows if Mr Hog is a believer in Nazi ideology, it's doubtful, or if the racing of his arm at the rally was intentionally provocative. But the optics are a lot truer than Trump's take a pledge gesture. More than that, Trump has never advocated for anything close to what Hitler advocated for and did to Jews, to inferior races, and ultimately to the German people in his own. Country. He then goes on to argue that Hitler was a gun control advocate, and thus he and David Hawk have one thing in common, which is of course not true. Hitler actually loosened gun control laws in Germany after the end of the Weimar Republic, under which most guns were banned. He just didn't loosen gun control laws for Jewish people. But yeah, so Mike Adams is the founder of hogwash, and that alone would be enough to earn him the title of *******. But over the last 20 years, Mike has done so, so, so, so much, so much more. Adams has been an integral part of the anti vaccine movement, the white 2K paranoia craze. He got involved in ******* Ebola panic and urged people to spoilers drink Ebola infected blood. So this is a guy. This is a guy worth talking about for about roughly 2 hours. So now we're going to yeah, we're going to delve into this ****. It's really fun. I'm thrilled to be talking to you about this because for a personally, I know so much about Alex Jones and I look into him obsessively, but Mike Adams is a real piece of his world that I know very little about. So as much as I am sort of an expert in a lot of these worlds, I am. I am. Going to be shocked by a lot of this, I think. And one of the questions about Mike Jones, like when I when I put together A3 part Alex Jones series, there's a ton of information about Jones's early life, about his childhood, about what he was up to in high school, like you, because actual journalists like Rolling Stone and whatnot have, like, picked through his life and talked to people who knew him when he was younger and like. So you can put together a pretty complete picture of his development. We don't have that. One of the mysteries we have with Mike Adams, in addition to why he calls himself the Health Ranger, is. Why no one's been talking about this guy? Because he's actually hugely influential and I I don't know why. Up until very recently, he's not gotten any sort of attention. So that's kind of one of the mysteries running through this tale, because he's been ranging the SW solvent health problems one city at a time, and he shows up right after Chuck Norris does. He's the health Ranger. He's perfect sense. He shows up right after Chuck Norris and right before Doctor Quinn. Medicine woman. Yeah, it does a lot of cleaning up. After Mike Adams, his ancestor was Aragorn. So here's the original Ranger. Ohh so wait, so he's he has he has the blood of numenor in him. I think that's the claim you're making. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he is a little bit stacked. I'm not going to lie, he created one of The Silmarillion. How many more references can we toss in here? I'm not gonna stop. So when it comes to like his actual biography, where he comes from, what his young life is, I don't know very much about that at all. And in fact, it we're mostly left to the bio he wrote himself on his personal website,, which always reliable, super reliable. Yeah, I love that. Do you think, do you think there's a possibility it's a fake name and that's why it's hard to trace down his biographical information? You know, I I don't think so. Just because he's run at least one legitimate business. And nobody's brought up issues with that before, like, people have delved into into him, but at the same time, like, I really don't know. I really don't know Dan. It's it's possible that Mike Adams, his name is so boring. Like Adams so boring. Yeah, he, I mean, so is Alex Jones. Yeah, that's true, yeah, yeah. But for whatever reason, Alex Jones has become like, you can use Alec Jones as a verb. Like that guy's Alex jonesing pretty hard. Like, nobody does that for Mike Adams. So his website states. Adams was born in 1967 in Lawrence, KS. He owns a bachelor, holds a Bachelor of Science degree in college entrance exams and Graduate School entrance exams. Adams scored in the 99th percentile across all US students. He aced the English, mathematics and science sections of college entrance exams, scoring 100. On three out of four sections, earning numerous offers of scholarships from various universities, including the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which he chose not to attend. Now, you seem to find a lot of that pretty funny. Jordan Jordan's laughing his *** off. I'm aggressively shaking my head. No, no, no, no, no. What? You notice something suspicious about the way he phrased his credentials there? Anytime any one of these guys claims to have a degree, I'm always like, oh, it's from it's from Turkey. Oh, where's it from? There is a problem no one knows because he does not say where he earned his BS, which leads me to think that it might be BS. Yeah. Now, I did find a breakdown of his biography on Think Progress that notes MIT Financial Aid has been entirely need based since the 1960s, which means that he's definitely lying about MIT offering him a full scholarship because they just they just don't do that. If you get into MIT and you can't pay, then you can qualify for help. But they don't. Just like, oh, you're so genius, we'll pay your way in. Come on to Mike. That's just not how MIT works. So there's one like they're running low? Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's ******* MIT. Yeah, they have a dearth of options to be honest. Now, Mike claims that he chose not to attend Graduate School but was offered numerous scholarships to do so. And again, he's not specific about any of this, so it's impossible to track down where he even graduated from. I can say other Mike Adams's have graduated from colleges. This is what This is why is Mike Adams. Yeah, maybe it is a fake name. It seems to be very important to Mike Adams that you know, that every College in America badly wanted him and that he wouldn't he wouldn't give in to them. So he's he's he seems to have this urge to college tease a little bit. It's he's negging all of the the collegiate world negging the higher education system. These guys, these guys put 99th percentile into their BIOS the same way Putin is like, I won with 97% of the vote. Like, you're you're going too far. Overboard there. Once too clear. Not to brag, but when I got my GED, I was in the, like, 97th percentile. Yeah, Putin, there it is. Yeah, not to brag, but before I dropped out of college, I had a solid tune. 9. Hell, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. And if you triple that? It's basically 99. Not quite, but close enough. Close enough for jazz, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Now, according to MM got numerous offers from colleges to attend Graduate School, but he chose not to because, alas, he had another mistress software. Mike claims he opened a company in 1993. That quote went on to become a multimillion dollar entity that provided e-mail technology solutions to many Fortune 500 firms and specialized in e-mail alert technologies for universities and government offices. Now, this brings us to the first of Mike's claims that we can. Really dig into and it kind of seems to be at least largely true. The Yeah, the company he launched was called aerial. It's still around today. They did and do mass e-mail management and they wound up being used by big names like Microsoft, UCLA and the US Treasury Department. It is a legitimate company that operates and has has worked with some really big players. When I started reading about what his company does, it seemed like it might kind of be a little bit spammy. And one of the problems of researching Mike Adams is I ran into some allegations that that's exactly what he was doing, that he ran a gigantic e-mail spamming operation. But the article that made those allegations was, health wise, spelled WYZE Media, which is a very strange website. They are definitely weirdo Christian extremists who believe strange things about healthcare. They also dug really deeply into Mike Adams because they hate him and documented their claims about him really authoritatively. It's one of these like it's a very strange case. They do claim that Ariel was an industrial spamming operation, and they're they're evidence for that included citing an aerial software press release, which included quotes from Mike Adams boasting about Aerial's ability to help companies evade anti spam software. Once a personalized e-mail message is composed, campaign enterprise version 7.5 users can simply press the anti spam test button to perform an instant check of their outbound. You know the message is then instantly run through a program checklist which uses a set of evolving criteria to evaluate the outbound e-mail messages anti spam compliant. If any part of the e-mail message resembles the traits of spam, the user is alerted that the intended e-mail message could be perceived as spam by recipients of e-mail filters. Now Healthwise meats like translates this as he's running a big spamming operation. Other sites I found talking about it make it seem like maybe he's just helping large companies e-mail their customers without their emails get caught by spam filters. It's probable that both things are true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The software could easily do both. It has like a use legitimately and then use abusively too. Yeah, which is very fitting for some chunks of Mike Adams's career. Well, he claims that he sold the company in 2003, although other sources I found list him as a CEO still. I don't know if he's still involved with aerial or not. It's very possible. He claims that he sold it and it seems like it one way or the other. It made him very wealthy. That's one of the few things that I do know about him is he's like insanely rich. Yeah, he's got a lot of money. Super rich. Yeah, yeah. I mean he was like his the ******* Treasury Department and Microsoft did a bunch of Fortune 500's really did use his software and. He's he's kind of in the same spot where McAfee was in the late 90s, where if you were like the first guy to offer this service to big companies, you could just make a billion ******* dollars, like, for easy. Yeah, he's like a few steps away from where McAfee is now, I suppose. Yeah, they're actually not very different people. Although, you know, Mike is much more focused on health and McAfee is much more focused on pounding bourbon and murder called that health. Healthcare is important, yeah. It is critical now. On Mike's personal website. His bio goes right from selling aerial to founding the website for which he is most famous, But there was an interlude grift that he leaves out. In 1998, Mike Adams got deep into the Y2K business. Now I assume you all both remember what Y2K was. Some of our listeners were young. So basically in the late 90s there was a worry that like this calendar switchover on computers from 99 to 2000 was going to **** ** a bunch of software. And most people were like, oh, it could cause some complications for companies that have digitized, you know, their their operations. And crazy people were like, it's got to be the apocalypse. And Mike Adams was on the crazy person side of that spectrum. Doesn't surprise me too much. No, no, this is right on brand for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, guys. This is going to pop into the middle of the episode at a weird point because I forgot to call the ad break at the point I was supposed to, but it's time for. Beds. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one meant mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. 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Even as experts debunked those fears, he sold $99 subscriptions to Y2K Newswire, which he billed as providing access to a wealth of information, much of it too sensitive for public release. So he goes right from software to kind of sailing right into the same seas that Alex Jones was was was learning to captain right around the same time. How's the website doing now, though? Actually, we'll talk about that a little. Falling down the ranks a little. It doesn't seem like a good long term business model. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't ideal. It seems really wild to me that that his time in software like predates this. Y2K fears. That kind of implies that he would have some knowledge about how these programs work and how, you know he knows computers. Yeah, maybe he has some, but that's what makes the scam even better for him, as he knows there's no chance of anything going negative. So he can ride that out and he has the appearance of false authority. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he knows how to, like, he knows how to make authoritative sounding claims about what's going to happen because he knows actual computer language. He knows enough about computers to scare 60 year old people who, like, we're scared of them and had, like, bought them for their company because some young gun executive was like, we got to digitize. Well, I that is interesting. That might have gone hand in hand with his software selling for those major corporations as he saw all of those people trying to adjust themselves to a new software. And he's like, these people are too easy to scam. Yeah, I'm going to start my own side hustle. And then he met Alex. Yeah, I suspect that may have had something to do with it. Jordan. Now, Mike didn't just sell subscriptions to his his Y2K Newswire, though. He he this is going to sound very familiar. He sold survival food. For doomsday bunkers, he sold gold coins because every grifter is legally required to sell gold at at least one point in their career. 100%. It's universal. You got to call it bullion, though, I think. I'm sure he used the word bullying ******* constantly. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even be surprised if he was involved with like, Ted Anderson too, but I didn't. I didn't find any evidence of that. But yeah, it's entirely possible. He sold special one year subscriptions to his his service for $569 that came with what he called one year basic food unit, which I think was just like dried food and access to his emailing list for ******* 600 bucks. Hungry over here talking about basic love. Yeah, give it to me in a bucket and I'll call it great. On November 18th, 1999 is the presumed Apocalypse approached Y2K, News Wire started selling 10 ounces of gold coins in a package for $3350, which is only $700.00 more than the index prices for gold on the open market at the time. So that's a steel, a steel steel. What a bargain. Now. According to Think Progress quote, in A since deleted excerpt on Adams's site published by ZDNet, Adams boasted that in 1999, in an effort to fine tune his web marketing techniques, Michael Adams launched A6 month experiment to determine what kind of revenues are possible when combining his proprietary techniques and technologies with a high awareness topic. The result? With only the help of 1 employee, he created a subscriber base of over 50,000 people and sold over $400,000 worth of information products while offering an open-ended 100% money back guarantee. Wow. So Mike starts using he, because he's built this e-mail company, he's he's starting to understand, like, keywords and how computers are and how these, the algorithms that are just now being built to sort of govern the Internet, react to certain words. And so he's figuring out how to reach the highest number of people by, like, specifically angling topics in a certain way. Like, he's figuring out what we would call search engine optimization techniques in 1999. Yeah. So he's one of the very, very first people in, like, realizing the opportunity here. One of the things that, like, drew the most people into his Y2K news wire site was an article called 39 Unanswered Questions about why 2K, which is sort of like an early listicle, which is like Mike Adams being like, OK, this is this is how you get people not just, like, because they like to BuzzFeed, he did BuzzFeed before BuzzFeed or crazy or cracked because we beat BuzzFeed to it. But there is nothing more terrifying than a cunning, clever moron. Yeah. This guy. Yeah. Innovative. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. What a monster. Deeply, deeply innovative. And so, yeah, he he's he gets a lot of attention at the time for just like, how effective his his spamming techniques are, and his ability to reach people with his ******** is now. Y2K came and went and spoilers, the world didn't end very little. Went with a lot of refund requests. Yeah, well, you might think, you might think that this would be at least a moderate embarrassment for a man who had built. Career off of warning people that Doom was headed in the year 2000, but Mike Adams actually leaned into it, replacing his website, Y2K Newswire, with a one page Q&A. In it, he noted. In the end, people were lucky they were not placed in harm's way. What they didn't know didn't hurt them. But through this entire process, the public never knew the extent to which their government was preparing for Y2K. Was our government prepared to declare martial law? Of course, government leaders would have been irresponsible not to consider that. Possibility. That is too good. That's too good. How dare he get it right? Yeah, he's he's not a dumb man. Ohh. It implies a lot of flexibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what a lot of these these folks do. It's like, you know, when their predictions don't come, come true. It's like, wow, we were close. It almost happened. You they they all have to be pivoted to be successful. And like, Alex Jones used to be a pretty decent piloter, and he stopped pivoting after Trump got elected. Or, you know, he's tried. A few times. But he can't. He just can't do it anymore. He has to pivot within the box. Yeah, and he can't. He's not free like a. Free range animal, yeah. A health range health Ranger. Yeah. Now, Mike framed government efforts to stop people from panicking about Y2K as the government telling people not to prepare it all for natural disasters. He twisted the government warning people not to stockpile for Y2K into a conspiracy. The government, he said, was trying to discourage individual preparedness. Later on in his fact sheet, Mike launches into what might be the earliest example I found, a FEMA conspiracy mongering. So the pre Y2K information battles brought forth a new dangerous line of thinking that individual preparedness is bad for society as a whole. This theory, supported and publicized by various government leaders, removes the possibility the responsibility of preparedness from the people moving it to centralized government agencies like FEMA. Bam, there it is. What year did you say that was from? 19 or 2000, right after the new year? The the Millennium. The ******* balls on that guy? Yeah, it is. It is the most annoying ******** that they always get that if it does, if the disaster doesn't happen, the preparedness was them. Like hiding the secret from you. If it does happen. The fact that you didn't prepare enough is why the government is trying to kill you. There's no win. They always get you. That's the flexibility. Yeah. Yeah, like you have this and and and as further evidence of that, like, you could see, and I think a reasonable person would see the way that sort of the whole world kind of moved to compensate for the Y2K problem and, like, fix all of the problems in computers that we had. So it wasn't a big issue. You could see that as like, oh, maybe the technological order of our society is a little bit more robust than we thought, and we are capable of, like, adapting to problems like this. Mike Adams wrote that this was actually a bad sign because now the fault tolerance. Of our civilization was still untested. Ohh, it's like super bugs. Yeah, we're we're all too healthy. Yeah, now we're all too we're we're all too healthy. We don't know what we didn't get a chance to. Oh, you sweet summer children. Yeah, yeah. Now, Mike Adams also claimed in this article that he never made a dime off of selling Y2K preparedness equipment, contrary to what was misreported in several newspapers and websites. Why? 2K Newswire was never in the Y2K supplies business, it never made a dime from product sales or recommendations, and it refused to accept advertisements on its website. This sounds a lot like Alex's whole like Infowars doesn't sell anything, Infowars store sells everything. They're different things. And later in this he also claims to have donated like 10s of thousands of dollars to the Red Cross from the profits he made solid white 2K preparedness equipment. Strictly shouldn't be against them. Yeah, there are. There are religious organization of some sort. It. He's pretty religious, but yeah, yeah. Now, the end of that post notes the shutdown of Y2K news wire, which, you know. Mike shut down after putting this post up and claimed that he was moving on to write at a website,, which he described as a personal empowerment website. A site dedicated to improving the lives of 1,000,000 people by bringing them new knowledge and skills covering alternative medicine. And not one person more. No, exactly 1,000,000. I was joking around, but this sounds like a pretty cool adventure. If this, if this website, if this website helps 1,000,000 and one people, I'm going to have to kill somebody. Like one in, one out. Like a hot club, yeah. was only active as a health and Wellness website until mid 2002 when Mike Adams seems to have wound it down to focus on natural news. However, as I trawled through the sites archives on the Wayback Machine I noticed something interesting. The domain seems to have been allowed to a lie fallow for a year, but then it came back in mid 2004. But this time was not a health and Wellness site. It was a mass e-mail subscription service for websites operated by Aerial software, which by this point Mike Adams claimed not to own anymore. Hmm. Fingerprints? Yeah, ******* guy. That's that's such a I tip my cap to you, Sir. Well done. Yeah, how dare you. You **** **** now. In 2003, Mike Adams launched Natural News. At least that's when he claims he launched natural news. The Daily Beast dug into it and found out that he didn't register the site until 2005 and didn't actually start publishing articles regularly until 2008. But somewhere between in that five year. He was he was thinking about it before I found it in my mind. Yeah, built it in his head first. Now that even lie about the small stuff, even the smallest stuff, they gotta lie about it. Yeah, it's like Paul Manafort. If they, if they, if they if they stop doing the thing that they do, they explode. So they just habitually do it. And yeah, now, now was initially at least a pretty standard woo and crystal sort of website about fringe healthcare treatments. Many of its articles focused on concerns that are pretty common on the left wing too. Fears about GMO crops, articles about how Monsanto. It's literally worse than Hitler claims that Big Pharma is poisoning people. Pretty pretty standard fare, which you'd kind of expect to find on any sort of, like, you know, Lefty health News website. And in its early days, natural news regularly adopted fairly liberal attitudes towards social issues. They even did things that might have verged on decent reporting. For example, this 2008 article illegal immigrants create far lower healthcare cost burden than previously assumed. Written by David Gutierrez, the article seems to be it's like it. It's it reads like an acceptable piece of reporting. I'm going to read a quote from it. Just because everything that comes after this is going to seem so ******* crazy that, like, it's insane to me that it started here. A common argument among those pushing for a tougher line against illegal residents is that such people provide a drain upon public healthcare resources. But according to Phoenix Nunez, former director of the South Central Family Healthcare Center, illegal residents tend to shy away from primary care visits because they are daunted by having to provide Social Security numbers, identification, and employment histories. That would have told me that they'd be higher users of emergency services because they're not coming in for routine preventative care, Nunez said. The assumption is not borne out by the UCLA study, which also report refutes the idea that a legal resident residents use less medical care because they tend to be younger and healthier than the general population. According to the researchers, the difference in medical visits remained even after adjusting for age, health status, insurance status and poverty. This kind of study is really important because it forces you to look at the data and rethink your assumptions, Nunez said. What? Yeah, that's like a normal, reasonable article about something meaningful that how dare the health Ranger sully his good name with reasonable reporting. ********. I don't know what the **** was happening in 2008, but that's an article they published and it reads, I don't know. That's the hardest thing I've had to hear so far. Yeah, that's tough. It just is a perfectly normal seeming article now. What's set natural news apart during its early period? What's not its content, which was mostly forgettable, but the skill with which Mike Adams manipulated Google's algorithms to maximize his traffic. In addition to natural news, he registered a string of health advice websites expectant which I don't know what the **** that is emerging,,, brain, low cholesterol,,,, home,,,, web, and Now, all of these websites would regularly link back to natural news, using its articles as support for their claims about the dangers of GMO's and why you should buy various supplements, which of course Mike Adams sold on the natural news store. Mike, essentially. Created an alternative fact ecosystem consisting of dozens of websites, many of which seem legitimate and claimed to be the work of actual medical professionals. These sites would bolster each other's credibility and spread advertisements for products Mike sold on Mike Adams was one of, if not the very first people to pioneer this strategy. So yeah, it's almost like a weird like just completely self-contained affiliate marketing operation. Yeah, yeah, file file that under things that we didn't know should have been crimes a year ago. Yeah, a long time ago, yeah. No one thought at the dawn of the Internet we should make it a crime to create your own universe of lies. Yeah. Like, I think just no one thought you could pull it off. Yeah, like someone will. Someone will stop him before he gets actually activated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one will buy it. Yeah, that turns out they do. Yeah. Yeah. Now, like any good grifter, Mike invented a sympathetic back story for himself. He started claiming that at age 30, he'd been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Rather than taking the advice of doctors, he started researching Wellness. And as one of his website BIOS reads, he cured himself of diabetes in a matter of months and transformed himself into the picture of perfect health and mind, body and spirit. So, using this back story and the fact that Mike Adams is a legitimately stacked and very fit looking man, he embarked on Stelling ******** health solutions to millions and millions of people. You've called him stacked twice now, which is he's he's what? Man? You know I'm going to, I'm going to call a swallows wall. Boy is yoked. Yeah, yeah, we can we can attack somebody and not, you know, like, I can. I can attack Alex Jones and admire his incredibly thick neck. Where credit is due, yeah, credit is due. Pirates, yeah. According to The Daily Beast quote, in August 2007, Adams wrote a 5800 word Independent review of the Amazon Herb Company, a multi level marketing organization selling herbal supplements. The article and others originally appeared on his site news target, but were transferred to natural News with their original time stamps intact. The special report offers a detailed third party review of the Amazon Herb Company from a truly independent perspective. Meaning I'm not an employee or associate of the company and I have absolutely no financial ties with them either, Adams wrote in his review. Now that makes that makes me think he does. Yeah, yeah. There result is that he and the founder of the company had entered business together in 2006 or 2007 based on Arizona nonprofit Business Records dug up by The Daily Beast. And the Amazon Herb Company was not the only multi level marketing scam Mike got involved with. Can I ask you a question really quick? Absolutely. Is that related to Amazon the company or Amazon as the rainforest? It's I think using the name of the rainforest because rainforest makes you think of health. Yeah, even though it's one of the most deadly, disease riddled places on the planet. Actually just making sure because it would be very bizarre if he was involved with someone running an herbal MLM that was affiliated with Amazon. No no, no, not as far as I can tell. I'm always weirded out by people because you run into like a lot of use of Amazon and like rainforest imagery in a in like health companies and stuff. I spent my childhood reading like the stories of like Victorian colonizers who like would wander through the Amazon and like. 90% of them would die horribly of like, flies burrowing into their bodies and stuff. So that's because they didn't write eat the right stick. To me, the Amazon is a place of horrors. But yeah to to Mike Adams it was an opportunity to make a lot of money. And he he did. And he made even more money working with an MLM called Moxa or which sold omega-3 supplements made from green lipped mussels. Mike wrote articles about the supposed health benefits of these supplements and advised his readers to enroll as distributors with the company. Of course, Mike also was on the board of Mocks or as well and was, you know, an employee there. But he didn't talk so much about that. Yeah, so. He hits upon a solid business plan early on, which is you build this this audience, you get a lot of people reading your stuff, and then you start selling them on MLM's, which he does twice in a row but then doesn't seem to do later. So it may be that he found out that like the MLM biz you know, isn't as as profitable as he would have hoped. He got bored. The man has conquered so many worlds like Alexander the Great, he cried salt tears. Yeah, no more MLM's were there for him. Well, and he, you know Jordan, he's he. He. He was already rich at this point. But MM Adams is not the kind of guy who likes to flaunt his wealth. And in 2008 he bragged. Today I live in a modular trailer unit in Austin. I still drive a Toyota pickup truck, I dress like a rancher in blue jeans and flannel shirt and nobody gives it a second thought when I'm out in public. Some people want to look rich and popular, so they wear a lot of bling and drive a high end car they can't afford, and they live in a house they can't pay off, and they try to fool everybody into thinking they're rich and powerful. I'd rather fool people into thinking I'm not powerful. That's so ******* annoying here. That is the most annoying thing you could do. I'm annoyed, and it creeps me out even more than someone who wants to have like, yeah, like, really nice watches and trick people into thinking they're rich. It's like, what are you hiding? Well? And that kind of goes into a little bit about how this guy's deeply influential and has done a lot of damage over the years but has flown under the radar. And it's like, oh, that's his goal. He knows on some level that turning himself into an Alex Jones type would not have gone well. For him? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I shouldn't you pop your head up and then you get popped? Yeah. Kind of like whack a mole kind of thing. He's got the type of wealth and the type of ash Polish nature of using it that makes you think maybe he's actually just got a pyramid somewhere that he's like all of his money has gone towards an actual pyramid that he's gonna be buried in, like Nicholas Cage. Like that's all he's doing with all the associate writers of natural news around him as his. I thought you were going to say that Nicholas Cage was going to be buried with all of the associate writers of Nash National Treasure of those movies. Diana Kruger or it's it's called kayfabe, is that what it's called? Commit to the bit I I will say this, Speaking of Nicolas Cage, and then we'll get back to topic. I will be shocked if he is not buried with other living human beings. It just seems very on brand for Nick, and I think there will be about like 30% of the population is like, let him do it. It's crazy. It's fine. He's nuts. Nicolas Cage, in his greatest role, the murderer of eight people, he's nuts, but he's interesting. Now, in 2008, the same year that he got involved in those MLM's, Mike wrote a book called The Seven Principles of Mindful Wealth. In it he describes his operating philosophy. He describes his operating philosophy as quote getting past self-imposed limits on wealth. Karma doesn't pay the rent. Good Karma isn't the recognized currency in modern society. Dollars are. Which again, like he seems to be one of these guys who every now and then will drop a little head, is like, I don't give a **** about good karma, about being a good person, like I'm about making that ******* money. But he phrases it in such a way that it's like like a self help sort of tip rather than like him. What he's really saying, which is like being a good person doesn't pay the rent. Could have the ring of some, like, really bland self-help stuff. Yeah, it's just like, alright, yeah, whatever, yeah, it's just a little bit of darkness in here, but it's bland and boring enough that you don't notice it, which is again a good summary of Mike Adams as a person. Now, I wanted to take the time to discuss and deconstruct one of Mike's larger articles here, both to give you an idea of how he presents his ideas and how to illustrate how much his website changed from 2008 to 2012. So in February 2012, Mike himself published an article titled Microsoft. Why is eugenics technology from Merck becomes drug development partner with top global vaccine manufacture? So the article starts by revealing that Microsoft had just bought a piece of genomic information software for Merck to use in their Amalga life sciences platform. This is a program you probably haven't heard of that Microsoft sold to research institutions, drug companies and universities in order to help them evaluate data while carrying out clinical tests. It sounds pretty dull, right? Yeah, not if your mic ******* Adams Mike wrote quote. Rupert Vessey, the vice president of Merck Research Laboratories openly admits his deal puts Microsoft in the role of being a bold drug developer. He says we look forward to collaborating with Microsoft to develop new bioinformatic solutions to enable and expedite drug discovery and development. This is a key statement to understand because the term bioinformatic can only mean one thing, what stores information in biology. There is only one digital information storage system in human biology, and that is. Of course, DNA, therefore the idea of developing bioinformatic solutions, really means to develop gene targeting drugs and vaccines. This is fully consistent with Bill Gates's admitted agenda of reducing world population with the help of drug companies technologies. And of course, mechanized mosquitoes. Uh oh boy. I can't disagree with anything that he said right there. I'm pretty sure he's he's really nailed it. He's leaps of logic are right on. He does bring up the mosquitoes in this article. All these ******* people do. Mike goes on to note all this comes on the heels of other recent news that Bill Gates is funding sperm destroying technology to cause widespread male infertility. Now, are you aware of Bill Gates's sperm destroying technology, Dan? We've wrestled with some of Bill Gates's false, nefarious plans through Alex's his rhetoric in the past. I'm not sure if, I'm not sure if we've touched on the specifics of how he's going to get rid of sperm. What did he invent? A Kleenex? No. Is that? No, the actual story that he's referring to is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gave $100,000 to researchers who had developed a noninvasive method of birth control, which in this case involved destroying sperm with ultrasound. So that's the actual story, which she translates to. Bill Gates is going to kill your sperm. I mean, if you can do it with ultrasound, you could do it. Eventually we'll get a gun. Yeah, that'll just, you know, shoot somebody sperm from like 500 yards. I think that's an effective. Bender deterrent? Yeah, sure. Now Mike puts all this together and concludes that Bill Gates is plotting to depopulate the planet in order to kill off large swaths of human beings. The most efficient mechanism to use as a self replicating gene? Targeted bioweapon. Microsoft Amalga Life Sciences technology developer March, which he misspells. Merck's name there, theoretically provides a viable platform to develop precisely such bioweapons. It is interesting that no announcements from the company appear to have been made since being acquired by Microsoft in 2009, indicating that their work is now being conducted. Total secrecy behind closed doors. I bet they did make an announcement. I bet they did. They did. They made an announcement in 2016 that they'd sold the company to GE. Because it wasn't profitable. But to Mike, the case is clear. There is no better way to promote the vaccine profits of the Pharmaceutical industry than to actually release an engineered bioweapon virus into the wild. And there is no faster way to reduce the world population than to engineer either a vaccine or weaponized flu virus that burns through the human population, targeting those of an undesirable genetic profile who need to be cleansed from the human gene pool. Two people. I gotta read this next paragraph. Dan, sorry. Think about this the next time you think about purchasing Microsoft Office windows or some other Microsoft project. By doing so, you are funding what could very well be a global eugenics agenda, with the ultimate goal of wiping out a significant proportion of the human race. If you save something in a docx file, you are killing your children. Yeah, I am so glad that I've spent most of my life torrenting Microsoft Word just so that I have your hands are clean. My God, ohboy didn't he used to work with Microsoft in his e-mail company? Yeah, he definitely did. They wear client office. Hmm. Now it occurs to me we're now 40 something minutes and I forgotten two ad breaks because I am a hack and a fraud. So the first this ad break that people are going to hear is going to be the second ad break. And I'm I'm just bad at this. I'm bad at my job. You should you should hate and and be ashamed of me. But you should still buy the products that support this show. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. You're opening the bill to find all these nuts fees. There's no luring you in with free subscriptions or streaming services that you'll forget to cancel and then be charged full price for none of that. 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Was it cruel to animals like, was it factory farmed? Is it cheap because of unfair wages paid to people? And so alleviating poverty is tremendously important. Listen to amazing wildlife on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. God, that was really unprofessional of me. I'm ashamed of myself. Yeah, I mean, you could look at it as unprofessional. You could look at it as we're having a fun time talking about a horrible dude. Yeah, we're we're really sorry for entertaining you. No, I mean, I I thrive on the shame a little bit. And since Sophie's not here, I I'm just going to have to imagine the judgment. But I'll be OK. I'll get through it. I'll get through it. So as the Obama years rolled along, Mike grew more and more committed to using his power for explicitly. Political ends up until about 2010, he was more or less an apolitical figure, avoiding falling hard on one side or the other of the ideological idol. But as with his friend Alex Jones, the election of America's first black president was a profoundly radicalizing experience for Mike. According to The Daily Beast quote in 2010, when natural News began selling its own products, most were hippie food products, like cheesy kale chips or raw macadamia nut butter. The more questionable products included a buffet of supplements and parasite cleansing droplets. Today's store takes on a more. Vocalic tone under a category called Nuclear and Biological, readers can buy breathing masks for children and $160.00 electromagnetic field reader. Meanwhile, far right conspiracy theories have begun to crowd out articles on the benefits of turmeric powder. When I began writing for them in 2010, I wrote for about 4 1/2 years. It was mainly health, one former natural news writer who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told The Daily Beast. There was still some political commentary. It's become more extreme in their viewpoints. That, coupled with some other things going on with that site and how they were restructuring writers, was one reason I left. I didn't agree with a lot of it. Is being said on the site so. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if that was actually a quote from Mike Adams just being under, under an assumed name, like, I'm rich tatums like, yeah, OK man, keep going. Background. I'm not thrilled with what's happening. Website, Yeah, I mean it's one of those things. Most of the people who talk about him do so anonymously because we'll talk about this later. He's pretty vicious at the people who come out against him, which I think is again part of why he hasn't been covered more because he he strikes back. When you go after him, take a swing at Mike. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, if you take a swing at Mike Adams, he's going to try and take a swing back at you. Now, the clearest sign that things at natural news were shifting in a truly dark direction came at the end of 2012, when Adam Lanza killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Two days after the massacre, Mike Adams wrote a post on The title was gun control. We need medication control, Newtown school shooter Adam Lanza, lightly on meds, labeled as having personality disorder. Now. This is a familiar line of of discussion to you guys. Alex Jones, for sure. It has the same opinion. That was, yeah. There was a large part of his immediate stuff about Sandy Hook was definitely a lot of medication stuff. Yeah. And that is 1 where I think Jones had Mike Adams beat because Jones has been on the they're all Xanax zombies or whatever line for a long time, if I'm not mistaken, all the way back to Columbine. Yeah. Well, I'm not sure if he was relevant at the day, at the time of Columbine, but yeah. Yeah, for sure. In the 2009, 2008. We, we cover a lot of times shootings. He does talk about Prozac heads and what have you. So yeah, I mean it's it's yeah, it's definitely been a long standing part of his rhetoric. Yeah. So I'm going to quote what Mike Adams wrote in that article. According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter has been labeled as having mental illness and a personality disorder. These are precisely the words typically hurt in a person who is being treated with mind altering psychiatric drugs, one of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs. Violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide the Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind altering prescription medications. Adams next pivots to claiming that prescription drugs cause 100,000 deaths per year and using this as a justification for why guns should not be banned. He goes on to write. For guns to be as deadly as medications, you'd have to see a Newton style massacre happening 10 times a day, every day of the year. Only then would gun violence even match up to the number of deaths caused by doctor prescribed FDA approved medications. Now, caused is an interesting word in there, but yeah, yeah. Caused is an interesting word. And I've got a breakdown of exactly why this is ******** because I think it's important. I can't. I can't take credit for doing all the research on this. I found it on the personal blog of a fellow named Doctor, David Gorski. Now, Doctor Gorsky writes under the pseudonym Orak on a blog called Respectful Insolence. He's a real doctor and a real surgeon. And he also writes for science based medicine, which is a great site. He's he's a very credentialed. Hello, and since most of the mainstream press has ignored Mike Adams for years and years and years, ****** *** scientists and medical professionals like David for a long time have been the only people really keeping tabs on him. And David did the hard work of breaking down exactly why Mike's claims in this article are ********. He points out that the main study cited by Mike Adams was published in PLOS ONE by Thomas J Moore, Joseph Glenn Mullin and Kurt D Furberg and entitled Prescription Drugs associated with reports of violence towards others. Now, the study was a result of the FDA's adverse event reporting system from 2004 to 2009, and the authors basically looked for drugs whose users seemed to be involved in an unusual number of violent altercations. They picked out 31 medications, including eleven antidepressants, 3 ADD drugs and smoking cessation drugs as well as, you know, so. I don't know if you guys listened to the episode I did on the anti vaccine movement, but one of the main pieces of evidence that anti vaxxers will use for the dangers of vaccines is various data, which is the vaccine adverse Events reporting system. So anytime someone has a vaccine and something bad happens to them, it goes into this database and it's useful for researchers trying to determine if there might be patterns of illness associated with something but it doesn't prove causation. And the the database that this this information is being drawn from that they're using to conclude that psychiatric drugs. Cause violence is the same sort of database, and it has the same problems. For one thing, it doesn't tell you, you know, they're picking out all these people who had violent altercations after being prescribed psychiatric medications. The fares database doesn't tell you if they had violent issues before being put on those drugs. So it's possible that all of these people had violent criminal histories before getting medicated and then continued to commit crimes doesn't given a full account of their context, what their lifestyle is, where they live, their economic. It is position. No, it's just, yeah, cool. It it is a passive reporting system and it is only meant to be used and like a high level thing for doctors to be like, oh you know, we've noticed this weird cluster of of behaviors associated with it. We should look into this way, way, way more and do focused research and only then should we conclude that there is a problem. But. People like the the authors of this, unscrupulous people like the authors of this report can use the data to make a claim that there is an association between violence and psychiatric medication, and that seems to be what's happening in this exact study. David Gorski goes on to note quote about the authors of that study. Mr. Moore has received consulting fees from litigators and cases involving paroxetine, which is one of the drugs in the study and was an expert witness in a criminal case involving Vara Nightline. Which is another one of the drugs in the study. Doctor Glenn Mullin has been retained as an expert witness in cases involving varenicline and psychiatric drugs, including antidepressants, antipsychotics, benzodiazepines, mood stabilizers, and ADHD drugs. Doctor Furberg has received consulting fees from litigators in cases involving gabapentin, and also Doctor Glenn Mullin has written books about solutions to getting off of antidepressants, and claimed that antidepressants cause violence and profited off of books he's written making those claims the book called have you tried just feeling better? Yeah, it's the same **** with Andrew Wakefield. All of these doctors had been hired by lawyers to make the case that they made in the study and then used to help the lawyers they were working with sue companies. You're saying that I was just aggressively nodding because it was that, like, it's just so familiar. It's the same ******* thing. Yeah. So that's the chief evidence Mike Adams has to support his claim that, you know, it's it's it's psychiatric medications that are behind mass shootings like Sandy Hook and not the fact that literally anybody can buy a gun for no reason. Well, he has those studies and weirdos like John Rappaport telling him that, you know, like they hang up that picture. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Mike. Items quickly found that mixing in far right conspiracy theories with his bogus health news was an incredible recipe for printing money in the Obama era. By 2014, his site was regularly drawing in two to three million unique visitors per month. Mike used his understanding of search engine optimization tactics and his eye for the next big thing in bogus medicine to capitalize on every health fear that went viral on the Internet. He became a semi regular co-host of Alex Jones's Infowars show. Do you do you know when that started? I don't know when that started. I think it was around 2012 though. OK, because he seems like a pretty long time. Yeah, he's been at it for years. And I don't know why he started calling himself the health Ranger. I'm so sorry if it's a cool name for someone like him, I understand why he would do it, but I want to know if there's like. I'll tell you why. Because he's got a ******* zord in his garage. *** **** it. I would love to be a health Ranger. Yeah, sounds like a hoot. Now, during this period of time, Mike wrote articles for his site with titles like implantable RFID chips capable of remotely killing non compliant slaves. Vaccines lower immunity. Fluoride means lower IQ's and more mental retardation and jumping rope. And 911 truth how the sheeple have been trained to avoid unpopular truth about World Trade Center Building 7. What was that? What was that? Hold on. Did you say jumping rope and 9:11? Yeah. Alright, cool, cool, cool. Know about the jump rope? I I was. See, I was back on a double Dutch and the ******* Waco disaster. So I I missed that one by a while. Oh, I see. I've been and I've been on Hopscotch and Randy Ridge. Yeah, see, there you go. Ruby Ridge. Randy rich. We should start calling it. Randy. Randy? Randy Weaver. Ruby Weaver. Randy Ridge. Ruby Weaver. That's my warm up exercise that I do before every podcast. That's my if I ever get hired to, like, write a children's cartoon and I want to hide like little bits of darkness in it all have a a Ruby Weaver and a Randy Ridges characters throwing a little joke that 6 year olds under no circumstances kid Randy Ridge. Sounds like we're ***** teenagers go to overthrow the government. They're up on the Randy Ridge. Ohh boy. So. Hearing all that Jordan Dan, you probably won't be surprised to learn that Mike rushed to capitalize on the 2014 Ebola outbreak now. As soon as it hit the news, he launched a new website,, which was filled with advice on how to fight the disease. Likewise, after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, he, which sold products it claimed would protect people from radioactive fallout. Both websites regularly linked back to natural news as evidence for their claims. In addition to this more run-of-the-mill grifting. Mike also approved publication during the Ebola outbreak of one of the craziest articles I think I have ever read treating Ebola with homeopathy. Yeah, this is right now. Alright, alright, OK, here we go. This article ran on Mike site. It was approved by Mike, but it was authored by a Norwegian homeopath and it is essentially the recipe for a homemade Ebola remedy. I'm going to read that now. The whole recipe, in case any of y'all are in the market for an Ebola treatment that I'm sure will work better, include salt to taste this recipe. It's it's pretty shocking how to make your own. Ebola remedy. What? You need a face mask and gloves. Good. Of course. Good start. Good start. Good. 2 bottles, 50 milliliter up to 500 milliliter in glass or plastic bottles with caps. Fine. Clean water, mineral or tap water. OK? And Ebola samples. So hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Alright. Alright. Alright, alright. Alright. I get the Ebola samples, but isn't there fluoride in the tap water? That's my real concern. You were water. I'm sure that was Mike Adams. The same concern, but he decided, like, no, Ebola is serious enough. They can risk that, right? They can risk the fluoride. I got you. I got it's in Norway. There's no fluoride in Norway. Norway's tap water, he he specifies that as some spit or other disease products, such as blood from a person infected with Ebola or who is suspected sick with it, any small quantity will do. Shouldn't this guy call it sputum? Is he calling it spit? This is not. This is unprofessional. Ohh, boy, it's it's shocking. Yeah, man, that's going to be an ingredient on Hell Kitchen any moment now. There's more ingredients and alcoholic liquid such as whiskey, Brandy, rum, etc. All right, all right. And six, half an hour of your time. Ohh. Like you're making a little cake. Yeah, yeah. Procedure. Fill the bottle with water, leaving about 20% space at the top. Place the Ebola sample in the water in the water in the bottle. close the top of the bottle with the cap. Hold the bottle and strike it hard against a solid surface such as a large book 40 * 40 times. 40 times. Exactly. Exactly 40 * 40 * 40 times. Exactly 40 times. You fill your bottle with a life, Ebola sample and water, and then you hit it against a book and then you pour. I lose count. You're ******. You're ******. Then you need to get more Ebola. Now next you pour the contents of the bottle out. You refill the bottle with water and then you repeat three to six, a total of 30 times. What do you do with the water with the Ebola in it that you have poured out? You just put that in the drain down the drain. Seems safe, huh? Using the stock bottle, you can supply the Ebola remedy to as many people as you want. No limit? No. Even his website had a million limit. Yeah, where does the booze come in? So? That's to help you deal with having Ebola. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't see a clear point, which I'm supposed to add the booze. Oh no, no. When you store it, you add 10% by volume the alcohol as a preservative, actually. Right. Now, guys, you, you may know none of us are doctors, but you may have noticed that advising people to acquire samples of Ebola, Swash it around in the water bottles and bore it down sinks could potentially transmit the Ebola disease to new people. Like it feels like a possibility. Feels like a chance if you're advising people to collect samples of the Ebola virus. Yeah, that's collecting a sample part is really the like. It's the buried lead. Yeah. This. Yeah, this advice, like, where you going to get that? Holy **** yeah? Now, the recipe is so bad, so dangerous and toxic that even Mike Adams was forced to eventually remove it and put up a disclaimer saying natural news does not condone any member of the public attempting to interact with Ebola. After that, Mike immediately included a related news link with another natural news article, Ebola vaccine to be manufactured by criminal drug company with felony record. So he found it. He found he found the right tone. The exit door going as well. I like that. Botched the first shot, but yeah, yeah, second. Yeah, yeah. Now need to make one free throw. Yeah, you got his own rebound is what? Master of the pivot, Mike Adams. I also don't like the word eventually being in your sentence about, like, he eventually took that down. Yeah, it took a little while. That's not good now, fellas. Speaking of pivots, it's time for me to pivot to the end of this episode. Yeah, now we have a lot more to talk about with Mike Adams. Including. Were you guys aware that he'd made a rap video? What? No. Oh yeah. How dare you? Oh. Oh, hell yeah. Why did you not open this episode with the guy we're about to talk to? Made a rap video? That's what I wanted to hear. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty special. People weren't thinking about sticking around, and now they are. Who shot Jr? Yeah. So before we before we roll out, will you guys plug your plug cables here? Yeah, for sure. We have a website where our show is. Our podcast. It's Or on Twitter, on iTunes. All those other places. Knowledge fights. Yeah, he's we're at knowledge under score fight. I'm at go to bed. Jordan and I will be at zanies for the entire month of July. If you wanna come down, I'll be there. In Chicago. In Chicago. In Old Town. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Go to zanies in Chicago. Or alternatively, find a business of any kind with the name zanies in your own area. There might be people there in mass, probably in demand. Demand at gunpoint if necessary. That Jordan be allowed to host a comedy show. I'm in. Yeah, we will accommodate if anyone forces the issue on this. I am not busy is my point. I'm Robert Evans. You can find me online at I write OK on Twitter. You can find You can find us on Twitter and Instagram at ******** pod. We sell T-shirts on behind the ******** or no. We don't sell them there. We sell them at I'm exhausted. This is the end of the episode. Go hug a cat. Feed a homeless person. Uh. I probably shouldn't allege any other crimes here. I was going to say some about flipping a cop car, but I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that now because I already urged people to commit one set of crimes, and I'm going to keep this one crimes per episode. So we're done. The episodes over. Go be with your families. Hello, I'm Erica Kelly from the podcast Southern Fried True crime, and if you want to go from podcast fan to podcast host, do what I did and check out spreaker from iheart. I was working in accounting and hating it. Then after just 18 months of podcasting with Spreaker, I was able to quit my day job. Follow your podcasting dreams. Let's break your handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to That's SPREAKER. Com want to say I don't know less? Listen to stuff you should know more. Join host Josh and Chuck on the podcast packed with fascinating discussions about science, history, pop culture, and more episodes. 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