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I know this is a a show where I read a tale about a terrible person to a guest who is coming in cold or as cold as you can possibly come into on a subject like this. My guest today is Caitlin Durante of the Bechdel cast. Comedian and fan of L Ron Hubbard. Love him. Love some LRH. Yeah, yeah. What do you know about Mr Hubbard? I know that he was a sci-fi like pulpy writer in his early days and that he is the founder of the Church of Scientology. Yeah, I watched going clear and that's pretty much all I know. Cool. He was a living monument to how much a tall white man can achieve in this world by just lying without pause or cessation for 70 straight years. That's his whole life. He just never stopped lying from the time he was about four years old until the day he died. And. He he died worth like $600 million, so it worked out pretty well, yeah. I had a weird time researching this because I wanted to hate him, and it's really hard to hate him. He's a ***** ** ****. He is a monster. He does terrible things. But there's also he's not just a terrible guy, like with a lot of terrible people today. It'll be like some rich ******* who, like, does something that's terrible to the environment or like, you know, is abusive to their employees or whatever. L Ron Hubbard did his terrible things while shooting for the moon. That's interesting, ambitious, and you got to. Admire him for that. He might be the most ambitious con artist in human history. Wow. He's in the running. All right, so Lafayette Ron Hubbard was born on March 13th, 1911, and Tilden, Nebraska. His family moved there shortly thereafter to Helena, Mt. His grandfather was moderately successful, but not wealthy by any means. He owned a decent house, some stables, and a guitar with a black man's head carved onto the top of it. Yeah, that's a detail you'll run into a number of times. Reading about his early life. Yeah. Yeah, I'm guessing it was racist. Yeah, but I don't know. Later, Hubbard would claim his grandfather owned a massive ranch 1/4 of the size of Montana and that he spent his early childhood having adventures there and becoming a blood brother of the Blackfoot Indian tribe. That's good. Yeah, he's already appropriating, you know, other culture was born appropriating other cultures. On the website what is Scientology? Which is a Scientology website, it says that his particular friend among the Blackfoot tribe was an elderly medicine man commonly known as Old Tom. Quote establishing a unique friendship with the normally taciturn Indian, Ron was soon initiated into the various secrets of the tribe, their legends, customs and methods of survival in a harsh environment. At the age of 6, he became a blood brother of the Black feet, an honor bestowed on few white men. So this is when he six. This is what he claims. So this is what he claims. This is not the truth, this is what he's OK. There's there's no evidence that 6 year old L Ron Hubbard had adventures with Indians and became their blood brother. The Los Angeles Times reported on this in 1990. They talked to a historian named Hugh Dempsey, who was an expert on the Blackfoot tribe and whose wife is a member of the Blackfoot tribe. And he basically said Blood Brothers aren't even the thing the tribe has. It's like a Hollywood idea that was invented for Western movies. Yeah. So it seems like all of L Ron Hubbard's ideas about this tribe that he claimed membership in came from, like, movies he watched as a kid, which is. Yeah. OK, good. So I love how influential movies are and how they, you know, don't do anything to **** ** our society. Well, and it's amazing how little fact checking people do if you claims a lie from far back enough like that. Because the Church of Scientology still continues this line to this day that L Ron Hubbard was a brother of the Blackfoot tribe. And he even claimed later that a lot of his philosophical ideas came from like Indian rituals and stuff. And it's like. As far as we know, he never met a single member of the Blackfoot tribe, right? So I did want to give sort of a a source on Ellen Hubbard's early life from a sympathetic side. Most of the research I did on this was by people who were very critical of him. So I didn't want to know kind of how the Church of Scientology talks about his upbringing. And I I found L ronhubbard.org, which claimed to have biographical information on him, but actually was just trying to sell me a series of books on L Ron Hubbard because it was owned by the Church of Scientology. But there was a trailer. For the book series about L Ron Hubbard called L Ron Hubbard, a profile, and I want to play you a little bit of that because it gives you an idea of sort of the cliffs notes of his life as portrayed by the Church of Scientology. Earned a hallowed place in Black feet lore, became the nation's youngest Eagle Scout at the age of 13, and studied with the last in a line of legendary Mystics from the court of Kublai Khan. Learn stormed into aviation history, ascended to the heights of greatness in a now fabled Kingdom of the Pulse, and charted unknown realms beneath a famed explorers club flag. Retrace his journey to the founding of Dianetics and Scientology and his ultimate. Almost none of that's true, right? He was an explorer and founded Uncharted. He was there was a group called the Explorers Club, which was like a big thing in the day, and he did basically connive his way into being a member there. And he did carry out a couple of expeditions that didn't really find much. But he piloted around in a boat until his boat broke down and he had a flag with him so that that that's kind of what he's claiming there. So one of my main sources for this episode was a book called Bare Faced Messiah, which is a really comprehensive biography of. Ron Hubbard by Russell Miller, probably the first anyone ever wrote in the interviewed a lot of L Ron Hubbard's relatives, people who like saw him as he was growing up and stuff. And none of the people who were with him when he was a baby, when he was six, when he was like a young child, had any recollection of any of the stuff that he claimed about his aunt Marnie, who grew up with him, described him as the baby of the family. Adored and coddled by everybody, he was very much the love child of the whole family. He was adored by everyone. I could still see that mop of red hair running around so he was like the little baby of the family. But he grew up more or less in a house in a small town. As a beloved youngest child of a very close knit family, no adventures in in his early childhood that there's any evidence of. Love that imagination on him. You know, there's a thin line between imagination and just lying. Yeah, the actual information shows that Hubbard enrolled in kindergarten at age 6 rather than becoming a Blackfoot brother. Yeah, his local nickname was brick because of his red hair, I guess because bricks are red. And 1915 was not a good time for nicknames. So Ryan Johnson's film break is actually based on L Ron Hubbard. I wish I knew something about. Yeah, I'm I'm assuming that's a very good joke. I haven't seen it. It's not a good joke. Really? It's a pretty good movie. Yeah? OK, well, L Ron Hubbard as young life was not a pretty good movie because he just he pretty much went to kindergarten. He later claimed that while he was in school, he would protect other kids from the bullies terrorizing his classmates using the lumberjack fighting skills learned from his grandfather. His grandfather was not a lumberjack, owned a small oil company, but wasn't a lumberjack. One of Ron's closest childhood friends, Andrew Richardson, stated he never protected nobody. It was all ********. Old Hubbard was the greatest conners who ever lived, which is more or less true. Ron moved to Seattle after his dad joined the Navy when he was like 12 years old. He did join the Boy Scouts at this point and became an Eagle Scout at like age 13. But there's no that is true. That is true. But there's no evidence that he was the youngest Eagle Scout ever. Because back then the Boy Scouts did not make a note of what age people were when they became Eagle Scouts. Bookkeeping. Bookkeeping. But I'm guessing Ron knew that, which is why he made the lie. There's good at being a Boy Scout, I guess. OK, not hard. Well, he's already an explorer and we all those a blood brother of a tribe. All that time spent with the Blackfoot really prepared him for his merit badges and whittling and bald faced lies during his teenage years. His dad was in the Navy, so during his teenage years Ron visited him twice for like a month or two each time. So he did get to spend some time in the Far East, but it was mostly on military bases with his parents. The myth factory, of course, that he created later spun this into a series of exotic eastern. Adventures where he said you heard that I was trained in the court of Kubla Khan by Tibetan Mystics. He was on vacation with his parents and like China and stuff, he mostly seemed to not enjoy his time in the Far East. He thought China was gross and dirty. He thought Chinese people were gross and dirty. We have his Diaries from those times and he's not weirdly racist for an American in like 1920, but he's pretty racist. Pretty racist in mission into time. A Scientology book, though. He spun his basic vacation with his parents. China into quote in China he met an old musician whose ancestors had served in the court of Kublai Khan and a Hindu who could hypnotize cats in the high hills of Tibet. He lived with bandits who accepted him because of his honest interest in him and his way of life. So that's fun. Yeah. So far he saw the Great Wall of China, has only notes in his notebook about this was that they should make it into a roller coaster because we make a **** load of money. So. There's there's no evidence of him learning any ancient eastern wisdom. But we do know that this is the time when he first started sketching out short stories, because he spent a lot of boring time on boats and trains and stuff with like, a notebook, writing out story ideas. Most of them were just like he didn't even write out a lot of stories. It was mostly just him writing out the ideas. So, like, there would be entries like love story goes to France, meet swell, Broad and Marseille. She takes them to her sink, bedroom and bath, where he lives until notable citizens object. He stands them off and takes the next boat for America, having received a long expected will donation. So it's like, weird little stories like that most of them involved American travelers meeting beautiful foreign women again. He's like 14. Yeah. He didn't seem to know how to write sex scenes. So, like, the closest he got in his first short story was a scene where, like, a Navy corpsman is with, like, a beautiful native woman and they fall in love. But then when he would write out, like, what they did, he just kept scratching it out to the point that we don't know what he wrote because he apparently wrote a sexy and they're just, like, furiously erased it. He's like, he puts his ohh God, I don't even go into God. Oh God, what is a woman again? Alright, cool. So he's an incel. It is entirely possible he did not know what a woman was at that point. Yeah, he was like a 15 year old in the 20s. Yeah, he either knew everything or nothing. He knew that you're supposed to objectify women, he just doesn't know how. Yeah, he was bad at it. Yeah, and that would be like a hallmark of L Ron Hubbard's writing is that. Especially since a lot of the Pulp Fiction that he became famous. Or other stories in that genre were really sexual. That was never a thing he was good at. OK, yeah, you heard it here first. L Ron Hubbard couldn't write about ******* ****. Ron Hubbard couldn't. Now, actually, that's not true, weirdly enough, which we'll get to later. There's some evidence he actually became pretty good at *******. Wow, you heard that? Did he just make that up? And that's more of his, you know, inventive. No, these are people who didn't like him otherwise, but, like, who were in. Relationships. And we're like he was. He wasn't bad at *******. Oh, wow. I can't wait till we get there. Oh no, it's exciting. This is quite a journey. So after he got back from the Far East, he enrolled in George Washington University in the fall of 1930. Scientology publications state that while there, he became the associate editor of the university newspaper, was a member of many university clubs and societies, and enrolled in one of the first nuclear physics courses ever taught in an American University. And several words of that are not entirely incorrect. He did go to George Washington University. He was a student of the School of Engineering. He did not take nuclear physics courses because this was 1930. He was not good at civil engineering. He hated it and usually did not go to class. He did write for the school newspaper, but he was not an editor for it. He just wrote a few articles, mostly as PR for the club that he launched, which was the school Gliding Club. Loved gliding like Hang Gliding, no, it still exists today as a sport. You don't hear about it much, but they're basically planes. If you saw one parked, you would just guess it was a plane. But most of them don't have engines, and you can either fling them into the sky with this weird winch system, or you can, like, drop them off the back of an airplane. People can travel across continents, and these things, if they're really good at them, you can have go hundreds of miles. But they're not really planes because there's no engine. Yeah, there's no engine. It's just about managing your levels and whatnot. You know, I'm, I'm not a glider pilot, but he was a big fan of that and he did it. He was apparently pretty good at it, but he was better at creating a club for it and drilling up interest in it. Soon he started writing articles for like, Sportsman's magazine, Sportsman, aviator and other magazines like that we would just lie about, you know, I was in this horrible dive and my plane was falling apart and like, yeah, and I had this. I crashed into this barn. And so he just made-up stories about stuff he did in this glider plane when in reality he did it for like a year or so. And then he lost his license because he couldn't afford to renew it. And then he never flew again. OK, but he kept writing articles about flying even after he stopped being able to do it because, yeah, sounds like a theme of his fabricating stories. Yeah, there's usually a germ of truth. He did fly a glider a lot. There was one time where he, like, crashed a glider into a small town and nobody got hurt and, like, he wound up having to take off from a nearby hill or something like that, which he then turned into, you know, stories of traveling across the country on a glider to having all these advances covering a whole other. Continent and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. So that's all Ron Hubbard. In college, his grades were as bad as you'd expect because he usually would skip out on class in order to glide more often. So he was studying civil engineering. Civil engineering, right. OK. So his idea. Yeah, of course he was bad at it because he thought the Great Wall of China should be a roller coaster. Like that was his idea of, like, structures. That was that was the first thing he thought seeing like the most impressive thing people had ever built was like, man, but a roller coaster on the *** ** * *****. OK, yeah, L Ron Hubbard. His grades were pretty bad, but during this time, like in 1932 when he was a sophomore, his school launched a literary journal and he submitted his first finished short story for publication. So this is the first time he got published writing fiction. The story was titled ta after the name of its main character, and it was about a 12 year old child soldier in China on a March to die horribly in a battle. He quickly wrote another short story about another really, really bloody battle. This time in naval battle in the Yangtze River, he repeatedly described the river as being filled with headless corpses. He had a big thing for Gore, big thing for violence. Most of his early stories involved bloody adventures and vaguely Asian settings, so this is his passion. Clearly CNC the pattern. That summer, summer of 1932, L Ron Hubbard decided to launch an expedition of his own. He called it the Caribbean Motion Picture expedition and convinced a bunch of other young 19 year old boys to pull their money so they could rent a boat for the summer and sail to the Caribbean. Their goal was to explore abandoned pirate strongholds and film themselves running around in pirate costumes for the presumed historic value of these videos of children running around in pirate costumes. He also said that he wanted to, quote, collect whatever one collects for exhibits and museums. OK, again, not a lot of specifics right about what's going to happen. Loves vagueness. Also the Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean. The film also sounds like it was based on Nell Ron Hubbard. So little, but a lot of movies based on this guy's life. There was a report on his adventure in the school, so I'm going to read you that school newspaper article. Trying to get other kids to join his expedition into the Caribbean. Contrary to popular belief, windjammer days are not over and romance refuses to die. The death, at least for 50 young gentlemen Rovers who will set sail on the schooner Doris Hamlin from Baltimore on 20th June for the pirate haunts of the Spanish main. According to L Ron Hubbard, the strongholds in bivouacs of the Spanish main have lain neglected and forgotten for centuries, and there has never been a concerted attempt to tear apart the jungles to find the castles of teach Morgan, bonnet, blue beard, kid sharp down there, where the sun is whipping up heat waves from the palms. This crew of gentlemen. Lovers will reenact the scenes which struck terror into the hearts of the world only a few 100 years ago, with the difference that this time it will be for the benefit of the fun and the flickering ribbon of celluloid. In their spare time, if they have any, they will scale the heights of belching volcanoes, hunt in the thick jungles, shoot flying fish on the wing, yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda. So sounds like a great adventure. The Great Depression was in its height at this point, so it was like a lot of kids signed up because they're like, well, what else we're going to do? There's no jobs. Might as well have an adventure sailing around the Caribbean. Hubbard claimed that Fox Movietone and Pathe News had already put in bids for the film rights. He claimed the New York Times had contracted to buy the photographs. So he was basically promising that they would do this expedition and sell a bunch of video and photos and everybody would get money. That was the claim going out there now. It was all lies, of course, and Allan Hubbard actually hadn't worked out deals with any media agencies. The New York Times has no record of this. Neither do any of the agencies he said he'd contracted with. He didn't even have enough money to properly finance the whole expedition. So the doors handling which did sail out had to return to port about a month early. Having found no pirate strongholds and filmed no movies, the Captain Hubbard had hired called the Voyage the worst trip I ever made. Most of the gentlemen Rovers jumped ship at their first two ports. Yeah, yeah, it was it was kind of a disaster. Good for them, though. Good for, you know, abandoning ship whenever, you know the sunk cost fallacy can make fools of us all. Sometimes it's important to just get off that boat. Yeah. Which in the third episode of this three-part series, there will be a. Quote that people don't get off of. We will see what happens when L Ron Hubbard gets to carry one of his dreams of taking a bunch of people on a boat to the furthest extent. He never gives up this idea. So in September, when you know everyone's back in school and Hubbard's back from his failed voyage to the Spanish main El, Ron Hubbard wrote an article chronicling his journey for the school newspaper. In this article, the journey was turned into a historic success where everybody got laid. Yeah, yeah. It was all like, no girls allowed. It seemed like, no, of course not. Gentleman Rovers. Yeah. Can't, can't have a gentle lady Rover? No, no, absolutely not. No, no. Cool. Well, yeah. Would you have wanted to be on that boat? But just testosterone? Yeah, no, that sounds like a nightmare. I mean, I'll be honest, if at age like 19 I'd had a chance to get on like a sailing ship and and travel to the Caribbean and pretend to be a pirate, I probably, but it could have been convinced to do it. But I had a lot of **** **** when I was 19. Yeah. Hubbard wrote in the article when they weren't out catching sharks or harpooning or visiting some colorful spot, they were capably entertained by the Dark eyed senoritas at the various ports. I'm going to guess he just invented that all. Yeah. The article also hailed the scientific achievements of the expedition, which mostly included a bunch of film and specimen donations to the University of Michigan. The University of Michigan has no record of any donations from L Ron Hubbard. Not seeing any trend here so far. Really? No. Yeah, you have. You picked up on a pattern? Well, there isn't 1 yet. L Ron Hubbard dropped out of school shortly after getting back from this, and we will be getting into all of that and what happened after he leaves college later in the start of his career writing terrible Pulp Fiction. But before we get into that, give me good segue. Caitlin. 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According to a brief biography of L Ron Hubbard published after he came out with Dianetics, his first action on leaving college was to blow off steam by leading an expedition into Central America. And in the next few years he headed 3, all of them undertaken to study Savage peoples and cultures to provide fodder for his articles and stories. Between 1933 and 1941, he visited many barbaric cultures and yet found time to write 7,000,000 words of public fact and fiction. None of this is true. He did get. Published about 2,000,000 words, something like that of mostly fiction. So, like, he was a prolific writer from 33 to 41. He didn't write 7,000,000 words, right. And he just would like, got to find some savage people to write about and that's 100% lies. He didn't go to Central America. We have no record of any expeditions that he led to study Savage peoples and cultures, but also the fact that he was like, yeah, these disgusting savages got to go find out about them and exploit them and their lifestyles. I mean, it's 19. 59 sure, calling them people is almost woke. Good point. But obviously, yeah. Right after Hubbard dropped out of school, his dad used his Navy connections to get Hubbard a gig doing volunteer work in Puerto Rico for the Red Cross, which I think is the closest he got to a expedition in the Central America, which is not very close to being an expedition in central. Not at all that this is what I think he's talking about. He immediately abandoned his commitment to the Red Cross as soon as he arrived on the island, and instead wandered off into the woods to search for gold he believed that conquistadors had hidden. He'll run over. So he is purely delusional, right? It's hard to say how much of him is just a liar and how much of him is living in a fantasy world because it's clearly a mix of the two because he's not 100% a liar. I I can't believe that after having read his story, some of this is he just lives in this whimsical world of his. He'll just take, like a nugget of true information and then, like, blow it way out of proportion. Yeah, because like, for the rest of his life he would talk about, like, how he was a gold prospector and whatnot. For a time he was like, you wanted. Around the jungle and didn't find gold. Yeah, Scientology lore claims that he carried out the first mineralogical survey of Puerto Rico, but there is again no evidence of this. He did briefly work for a prospecting company, but he was back in the mainland United States within a few months. In April of 1933, he married a woman named Polly. He was ostensibly working as a writer during this. But Polly later claimed that in their first year together he probably made less than $100. Now, at this point he was writing mostly nonfiction. Later that year he claimed to have found gold on his own land, and there's some news reports of. Interviews with him about the gold he found on his land that appears to have been a lie cooked up for the benefit of a scheme that we don't know the other half of. OK, like, I'm gonna assume he tried to make money off of it, but all we know is there's these articles about him finding gold and no evidence that he ever found gold. He was clearly trying something, but you're not going to catch the whole story for every one of this guy's schemes. He never was not scheming. OK, ABS, always be, always be scheming. 1934 saw the explosion of the only art form. L Ron Hubbard. Would ever truly master pulp fantasy fiction. From like 33 to 34, hundreds of new magazines started up around the United States. Many of these were like weekly magazines that would have like 1520 different stories in them, and they would total like 6070 thousand words. So like every week they're putting out like a novels worth of short stories, and there's dozens of magazines doing this. So there's a huge amount of hunger in this market for quickly written cheap stories of Cowboys and Indians, of gangsters, of monster and bear attacks like that sort of stuff really sold in this. So, a man capable of ceaseless, effortless machine gun rapidity, lying, yeah, was perfectly great. He was built to write really, really quick, ****** fiction, and and he was good at it. Up until this point, like I said, he'd written mostly for sportsman magazines and National Geographic type applications and lying about his expeditions and stuff. Yeah, but as soon as he became aware of the hunger for Pulp Fiction, Lafayette Ron Hubbard knew what he needed to do. For six straight weeks, he wrote one short story. Every day, each between 4500 and 20,000 words, which is an insane rate of production. Even fathom that. Yeah, can you fathom it? If the person writing these never edits anything, never even reads over his own stories, he would just type out a story in one long swoop and then mail it off to a random magazine. So there's probably, like, continuity errors and like, all kinds of consistency, really messy tails. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. But who gives a **** like they need stories? And most of them. Getting it accepted, like he's just writing so many stories like ******** out this creates horrible, horrible, horrible stories. Also, the movie Pulp Fiction was based on how Ron Hubbard, he certainly wasn't influenced because he helped define the genre. Yeah, his stories had titles like Green God calling squad cars, see Fangs, Dead Men, Kill and the Carnival of Death. Oh yeah, I would watch some of those movies. No, of course he was good at titling. Yeah, of course he would. And he was like from. He was certainly wasn't bad for a Pulp Fiction writer. He was definitely in like the middle of the pack in terms of quality goes yeah, but he was mostly famous for just no one else could write this much, right? And this does seem to be like his real talent was he could just write like a ******* bazooka, like it's it was crazy. Have you ever read any of it? Yeah, it's really bad. But I don't like Pope. Like, it's all really bad. Like, like, I enjoy HP Lovecraft and he's an objectively bad writer. There's fun ideas in it that are scary, but he it's not good writing. It's not good pacing. Like neither is Stephen King for that man. Yeah, good stories, great horror writer, kind of clunky prose. I've actually not read much. Or if any. Oh no, I've I read the The Shawshank Redemption novella. That one. Yeah. And I think, yeah. And I think Stephen King is like the good version of L Ron Hubbard because they both are able to write at an absurd rate. Yeah. But Stephen King, which is like, wow, OK, I can just write stories people enjoy and not create a cult. I'm just going to be on cocaine, though. I'm just going to do lots of drugs, yeah. Stephen King, not L Ron Hubbard if you have this gift huh? So El Ron Hubbard quickly made a name for himself in the Pulp Fiction set. He started traveling to New York City regularly and became a fixture among pulp writers and editors. He made sure they knew him as quote, a real character. He portrayed himself as a *** *** who despite his young age had lived a life full of death defying adventures. Some of these men, like the writer Frank Gruber, quickly picked Hubbard out as a ******** artist quote. One evening, Gruber sat through a long account of Ron's experiences in the Marine Corps, his exploration of the upper Amazon, and his years as a white hunter in Africa. At the end of it, he asked with obvious sarcasm. Ron, you're 84 years old, aren't you? What the hell are you talking about? Ron snapped. Gruber waved a notebook in which he had been jotting figures. Well, he said, you were in the Marines 7 years. You were a civil engineer for six years. You spent four years in Brazil, 3 and Africa. You barnstormed with your own Flying Circus for six years. I've just added up all the years you did this, and that comes to 84. Good on him, good on him calling him out on his ********. But he still liked Hubbard. Like even the people like pretty much everyone knew he was full of **** for the most part, but they he was fun to be around. Like his stories were usually entertaining. Yeah he he was a he was an interesting guy. Most people seemed to like him. Alright. Yeah for a while his career went pretty well. In 1935 Columbia Motion Pictures paid him to write a 15 part film story called The Secret of Treasure Island. We would was played in like 15 different days or something like that during like. Thursday morning, matinee services, like it was a little sequential thing. Got it. And this is the only Hollywood thing he was ever involved with. But for the rest of his life, he would claim to be a Hollywood screenwriter and just claimed he had written famous movies that he didn't write and that there's no evidence he had anything to do with that. I'm going to just start doing, yeah, yeah. The Church of Scientology says he was one of the legends of Hollywood's Golden Age. Amazing. Yeah. So yeah, just lie. Yeah, just lie and claim you wrote great movies. Alright guys, everyone, I I wrote The Godfather Part 2. Oh, that was you. That was me. I produced it. Ohhh yeah, we should already know each other. Yeah, I mean, I could actually claim that pretty easily. I don't even have to change my name. So the reality is that he tried to start a career as a screenwriter in Hollywood, but he couldn't hack it. And so he moved back east to write more trashy Pulp Fiction in the woods with his wife. He developed a number of pseudonyms for his work with various publications, names like Winchester, Remington, Colt currently. So just like, gun, gun, gun, gun. Oh, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Colt 45 is like, was the most famous handgun in the world at the time I heard the cult. Cold. No, it was three guns. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun of wits. Kurt von Rocken was another which I think was just like a ****** sounding German name Renee Lafayette, which is at least half his real name. Yeah, Joe Blitz and Legionnaire 148. OK, these are good names. These are good names. No, he's got some gifts. Yeah, he's got some gifts. Yeah. Isaac Asimov liked a lot of his fiction, so, like, he gained some respect within the community. He certainly wasn't seen as, like, the worst. He was one of the most prominent names in a in the Pulp Fiction universe. At that point. People talked mostly, though, about, like, the rate of speed at which he was able to put out stories. There were rumors that he typed using one incredibly long piece of paper at a time, that each story was just one massive scroll that he would roll up when he was done. There were rumors that he built his own keyboard with single keys for the words that he used most often because he just typed so fast. That's actually very smart if that's true, which I don't think it is, there's no evidence that's that's smart. Yeah, it would have been smart if he'd done it. I don't think he ever made enough money to get his own custom typewriter. There were stories that editors would just send messengers to his hotel room with, like, cover art and then wait outside while he wrote a story to go with the cover art, like. So he would just like reverse engineer stories based on a picture. These are at least stories about him and. It's not hard to believe, given the rate at which he produced stuff. For sure, 20,000 words in a day is insane. I can't even write 3 words a day. This script is about 18,000 words and I wrote it in two days and that was a lot of writing. So Bragg OK, yeah, yeah. Well, look, join my Co. Just join my cult. I'm already there, baby. OK, well, I need a boat. Yeah, I got a whole. I have got a whole slew about, you know what? Not just gentlemen Rovers on my boat trip to the Caribbean where we pretend to be pirates. You're going to let women too? How? How progressive. Well, I want to be able to scam twice as many people, of course. Yeah, absolutely. So obviously, Hubbard eventually turned from writing, you know, adventure tales and cop dramas to writing cheesy science fiction. This is sort of the period and the the mid 30s when sci-fi starts to blow up as a genre. And he was part of the Golden Age of science fiction. He wrote alongside guys like I already noted. Basic Asimov, but Robert Heidland L Sprague de camp. He was like one of the founders of Popular Science fiction, and in 1938, when his writing career was near a tight he wrote a book called Excalibur, which he never showed to anybody but constantly claimed was going to change the world. Yeah, Excalibur was a work of philosophy, not a fiction. And it was, Hubbard claimed, a work of such breathtaking philosophic brilliance that it drove everyone who read it to commit suicide. That's why he says he couldn't show it to anybody, had to lock it in the bank vault, because people killed themselves when they read as amazing. What could even that? OK, yeah, I can only imagine. I can't imagine he just wrote a book so good people shoot themselves. You know that feeling when you finish a really good book and then you go buy a gun? Yeah, yeah, about 3 guns. Remington Cole and the other one. One name for each of the guns you'll have to buy when you finish his his amazing book. Yeah, one name for each of the guns you'll have to buy when you finish his his amazing book. Some people claim they actually read copies of this back in 38. Some people claim he never wrote it. We don't really know if he ever wrote a book and showed it to some people and then shelved it, or if it was all alighted. Begin with people who claim that they read drafts of it said that its whole focus was about, like, the need to survive. Like, that was Hubbard's big the survival instinct was his big, like, philosophical focus, the thing he was. Yeah. So it's like, here's how to survive, but then it drives people to kill them for some reason. Yeah. We don't know what he wrote. In the book. But he wrote about the book to a number of people, including his wife, and in 1938, he wrote her a letter about it that includes this paragraph that provides some insight. And this is Hubbard's writing. The entire function of man is to survive. The outermost limit of endeavor is creative work. Anything less is too close to simple survival until death happens along. So I'm engaged in striving to maintain equilibrium sufficient to at least realize survival in a way to astound the gods. I turned the thing up. So it's up to me to survive in a big way. Foolishly, perhaps, but determined nonetheless. I have high hopes for smashing my name into history. So violently that it will take a legendary form even if all books are destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned. So this is honestly kind of accomplished. His goal. He sure did. No, no. This is part of why it's hard to hate him. This is a man who set a goal to smash his name into history. And did it. And he did it in a really ****** scary way. But. Not a failure. I live near El Ron Hubbard Lane, or whatever it is in. It's a street in Los Angeles. The building we're in will probably do the video later in it, but the giant Church of Scientology building is like right off of like our balcony and stuff. Like, he definitely smashed his name into history and that was his goal at age 27 in 1938. So there you go. In the late 1930s, L Ron Hubbard bought a boat and convinced the Explorers Club to let him carry their flag on a radio. Experimental expedition with his wife. The journey did achieve some useful scientific ends and did help better map the route up to Alaska, so that's nice. Ron's Aunt Marnie suspected the trip was mainly an excuse for him to convince various companies to outfit his boat for free because he would write to all of them saying I'm going to do this expedition. He needed to send me free **** which is smart and he got a lot of free ****. His boat did break down in Alaska and he spent most of the trip hanging out at a radio station in a small town in Alaska, lying about fighting German saboteurs and grizzly bears and stuff. So again, still spent most of his time. Lying, but did achieve some minor scientific goals here. Commend them for that. Got to commend him for that. His second expedition worked a lot better than his first. That's hard to argue with. Ron Hubbard did serve his country in World War Two. The exact extent of his service is somewhat open for debate. The official Church of Scientology line is that he was commissioned before the war and was present in the Philippines when Japan invaded. He was the first American casualty in the Far East. Flown home in the Secretary of the Navy's own airplane. He served in five different theaters of the war and received. 22 metals going to guess how much of that's true? I would say maybe 5%. None of it. None of it? Well, no. He did enlist before the war, OK, but that's that's the only thing that's true. He didn't see any combat. He was supposed to have been in the Philippines, and if he had actually been sent there, he might have wound up fighting the Japanese in the Philippines, which would have been a hell of a thing. But while he was on his way to Manila, his commanding officers decided they hated him so much that they sent him home. Amazing his Pierce, his personnel file. This officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He is garrulous and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he has unusual ability in most lines. These characteristics indicate that he will require close supervision for satisfactory performance of any intelligence duty. This is like going around like telling a stupid stories to like anyone who will listen and it's like get this ******* guy and then he's lying like actual military intelligence people and they're like, no, get this guy. We don't want this guy anywhere near a fight. Like get him the **** away. Good on them. Yeah, it's the military there. Yeah, that said, he was better at tricking other people in the military. He should have done. If he did see combat is just give his book Excalibur to all the enemies and then they would just kill themselves. AirDrop Excalibur. We could have, we could have used that instead of the nukes. Just drop those. Over Japan and in the war. Exactly. Umm, we could just given one to Hitler. Damn it. L Ron, damn it. Your gift. So after this, he was sent back to a training center in Georgetown, ME, where he lied and told everyone that he had served extensively on destroyers. His instructors believed him, and he became the classroom source for information on destroyer piloting, even though he had never been in one. He just lied about it. Eventually Lieutenant Hubbard talked his way into command of an anti submarine boat, a Corvette, the US PC 815, into the command of it. Yeah, a little boat like a PT boat. Like a little bitty boat meant to hunt submarines. Like, I don't like eight or nine guys on it, but he did talk his way into getting a boat. Wow. He loves boats. He really loves boats. He really loves. Not good with him, really bad with them, actually, but he loves boats. The Church of Scientology essentially put out fake military paperwork about L Ron Hubbard service and then journalists went to the actual military which confirmed like no, there's no evidence and give him doing any of this. But according to the Church of Scientology's fake military documents, for part of the war Mr Hubbard was in command of a squadron of corvettes in 1943. The vessel under his direct command PC 815, was engaged in an action which resulted in the sinking of 1 Japanese submarine and the disabling of another. This incident, which took place off the coast of Oregon, was described by Mr Hubbard. And a report that he sent to the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet sounds really impressive. Taken out two Japanese Subs. Pretty cool. Pretty significant contribution to the war effort protecting Oregon. Oregon's great, except for all the races. 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I've never seen less enthusiasm for a great idea in my life. And we're back. We're talking about L Ron Hubbard and his epic naval battle with a pair of Japanese submarines. So basically what Hubbard claims is that while they were sailing out from Oregon, there had been a Japanese bombing raid on Oregon. Like, I think it was like a balloon or something that had bombs attached. They did attack a place on the Oregon coast near this time. So everybody was like freaked out and paranoid. And Hubbard was sailing down from Oregon and essentially thought that he had cited a submarine. And started dropping depth charges on it and called in other boats for backup. And for two days El Ron Hubbard and like 5 ships were just bombing the **** out of what he said was Japanese submarines. Nobody else actually dropped any bombs because they they didn't find anything. They were just like sailing around. Well, Ron Hubbard bombed the ocean at random. It's probably just like a family on a yacht and he's like the enemy. It's even sadder than that. So the Navy had Admiral Frank Fletcher, who was the operational commander during the Battle of Midway, like a a very serious. Admiral dude, investigate the so-called action in which Hubbard had taken out two submarines because Hubbard, when he got back to base, claimed that he destroyed one submarine and and wounded another. Most likely, actual research found out that what had happened is there was just a magnetic iron ore deposit on the sea floor that had fooled with his instruments, and he'd spent two days and dropped more than 100 depth charges on the lump of metal. My gosh. Lieutenant Hubbard was furious when his commanders wouldn't recognize the heroism he displayed in recklessly bombing the ocean. Now, this was not a great move for his career. The Navy doesn't like it when you bomb the ocean. Think is is a prospector. He would understand a deposit of metal, but if he was a real prospector, yeah. So the good news is that he had an opportunity to redeem himself a couple of weeks later when he recklessly shelled an uninhabited Mexican island and then ordered his men to fire their weapons into the water around the island. Officially, he says this was an unapproved gunnery training exercise. Mexico said it was an American boat firing wildly on Mexican land, and so they weren't happy with this. So Hubbard lost his boat as a result of attacking Mexico. He loves boats. Emeril, who looked over this and reassigned him, rated him as below average, and said that he should be put on a large boat where he could be properly supervised. So for the rest of the war he would spend more time in naval hospitals than serving on ships. While he would claim to Robert Heinlein and his other writer friends that he had been sunk 4 times and wounded repeatedly, there's no evidence that he ever suffered any service related injuries. He did come down with a duodenal ulcer during his time in the military, but that's about it. Nothing as a result of combat, just an ulcer. Guts, guts. OK, yeah. So after the war, L Ron Hubbard would spend most of his time lying about several unverifiable service related injuries to the VA in order to get more disability benefits. He spent years doing this. This was most of his writing in the first two years after the war was lying to the VA about the extent of his injuries to try to get more money out of them. 20,000 words a day. Please give me money. He did eventually get a 40% disability payment, but it was it was for nonsense. So right around this time he abandoned his wife. Hang out in a black magic sex mansion in Pasadena. Wait. What do you mean? Is that that's that's that's weird to you. OK, that was just a lot of information. It is OK. You'd expect it to be more interesting than it really was. Abandoned his wife to hang out in a black magic sex cult. Sex mansion, sex mansion. There's this guy named Jack Parsons who was, you've heard of Alistair Crowley. OK, Alistair Crowley was like a Thelema. That's like black magic sort of thing. He was a magic guy. He wrote a bunch about it. He was very prominent in that industry and like one of his industries. The wrong word, but whatever. The magic and the magic industry. One of his acolytes was a guy named Jack Parsons who was like a rich kid who owned a mansion in Pasadena. And, oh, OK, they touched briefly on this and going clear. Yeah, it's it's weird and murky. I don't think Hubbard ever believed much of it, but Hubbard wanted to **** the ladies that Jack Parson had around him because Jack was like, they had a polyamorous thing going on. Because it was like, we're beyond, you know, all the constraints and Hubbard Hubbard just went in there to, like, steal his girlfriend, basically, and stole $20,000 from him. Because he got Parsons to invest in a yacht company and then just bought a yacht for himself, and the girlfriend with the boat got to move away. So he lived on a yacht for a while until he had to sell it. Yeah, the whole black magic sex mansion thing isn't as interesting as it ought to be. They did try to summon the Antichrist. Yeah, but it was kind of boring, to be honest. Yeah, yeah. You would have hoped for more of a tail there, but I think it's all nonsense. So on August 10th, 1946, he married the woman that he had taken away from this black magic. Death mansion. The 21 year old Sarah Northrup. He married her 30 miles away from where he married his first wife, Pauly, 13 years ago. He was still technically married to Polly, so this was bigamy. But he's not like actively living with both of them. He's just he never he never told his first wife what he just he just ran away. She had no idea where he was. I mean, well, he abandoned their kids too. They had like 2 kids. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, he just abandoned his kids and his family stole a guy's money to buy a yacht and then 21 year old. They really dodged a bullet, that first family of his they did. You get the feeling she's angry that he's a creep? You don't get the feeling they feel like they missed out on not having L Ron Hubbard around, right? During this time, after he wed, Sarah Hubbard started selling more stories again, got back into writing Pulp Fiction. He sold several stories to an editor named Sam Merwin, who said of him, quote, I found him a very amusing guy and bought several stories from him. He was really quite a character. I always knew he was exceedingly anxious to hit big money. He used to say he thought the best way to do it would be to start a cult. So this is like 1946, the first time when Hubbard, you know, starts putting out feelers that like he wants to start his own religion. He's like boats. Called them cults. Open up from both where the money is. He eventually moves up to boat. Cult, right? The whole thing, the whole the whole journey? Yeah. On April 14th, 1947, Ron's first wife, Polly, filed for divorce on the grounds that her husband had abandoned her and their children. Seems pretty fair. Fairly reasonable. She had no idea who he was living with. She had no idea he was already married to somebody else. But that changed three weeks later when Ron moved into the home he'd once occupied with his first wife with his second wife. His family was furious about this because his mom and dad. Have been taking care of his first wife and their kids and putting them up. So they they're really angry about this. This is kind of when his Aunt Marnie soured on him. Well, we loved him as a child, but he's a perfect stranger to us now, so I'm glad they realized that. Yeah, he seems to have changed. In late 1947, L Ron Hubbard met the man who would become his lifelong literary agent, Forrest Ackerman. After their first meeting, Hubbard drove Forrest home and told him along an insane story about how he died on the operating table and visited Heaven he would claim a number of times. His life to have visited Heaven. He once claimed to have visited Heaven 6 or 7,000,000 years apart. He had multiple lives. Here's how Forest recalled L Ron Hubbard driving him home, telling him about his yeah, I remember he had an old rattletrap of a car, and he was chewing tobacco. As he drove, he would open the door with one hand and squirt tobacco juice out onto the road. When we got to my apartment, we sat outside in the car while he continued with the story. It was after 5:00 o'clock in the morning and the sun was coming up before he had finished. Wow. OK and then he was like, better represent this guy as his literary agent. I think he was like, this is a ************. Who can? Whole story, yeah. Yeah. I think he made a lot of money off of her. So Hubbard told Ackerman about Excalibur, his suicide inducing visionary philosophy, and I almost forgot. Yeah, almost forgot. Don't worry, he never did. He claimed he had been rejected by publishers. Quote he was told it was too radical, too much of a quantum leap. If it had been a variation of Freud or young or oddler, a bit of an improvement here or there, it would have been acceptable. But it was just too far ahead of everything else. He also said that as he shopped the manuscript around, the people who read it either went insane or committed suicide. The last time we showed it to a publisher, he was sitting in an office waiting for a reader to give his opinion. The reader walked into the office, tossed the manuscript on the desk, and then threw himself out the window. Ron would not tell me much about Excalibur except that if you read it, you would find all fear would be totally drained from you. I could never see what was wrong with that, or why it would cause anyone to commit suicide. Right, yeah. Also, that's just going to be my excuse as a as a failed screenwriter, I'm just going to like, well, my screenplays are really good and they just get rejected because people die, OK? Hubbard continued to sell sci-fi short stories during this. Making just enough money to stay alive, but not quite enough to live comfortably or stay in one place with his new wife. His most successful series was the Old Dock Methuselah adventures. These are futuristic tales about a space traveling physician adventurer with an alien sidekick slave who cries whenever the doctor tries to free. It does seem like these might have been an influence to Doctor Who, but I don't know that. But it was about, like, an immortal Dr traveling through the universe, solving mysteries and stuff with a slave. With a slave. Yeah, it may have been, may have been. It was pretty popular. L Ron wasn't exactly a genius, but he was probably one of the 10 most notable names in science fiction at this time. At some point, he earned the attention of John W Campbell, who was a very famous editor. He's some people call him the father of science fiction. You know, Mary Shelley's probably the mother and founder of the discipline, but he was the editor of Astounding. Science fiction and like most of the greats of the sci-fi Golden Age, worked with him. And he was apparently a really, really, really good editor. And he liked L Ron Hubbard, but his work with Ron would be something outside of the sci-fi genre. See, Hubbard at this time decided that he didn't want to keep writing short stories and dimestore novels. He wanted the respect he thought he was entitled as a philosopher. So in January of 1949, L Ron Hubbard wrote a letter to his agent and promised him a book on philosophy. Here's how bare faced Messiah summed it up. Ron promised that among the handy. Household hints contained in the book was information on how to quote rape women without their knowing. It communicates suicide messages to your enemies as they sleep, sell the Arroyo Seco Parkway to the mayor for cash, and evolve the best way of protecting or destroying communism. He had not decided, he added casually, whether to destroy the Catholic Church or merely start a new one. There's a lot in that paragraph. Yeah. How do you even start to unpack that? I mean, some of that is like, 1949 people would be like, Oh yeah, teach guys how to rape. Sure, it's the 40s. Everyone was terrible. Yeah, it's just garbage year, but yeah, buckle up. Yeah, it does not get more pro woman. Actually, I'll say this for L Ron Hubbard. I kept expecting him to be a ******. I have no evidence that he was a ****** all right? No accusations or anything like that, which she really expect with these guys really do. Especially if he's taking that sort of, especially, he's taking that sort of stance. Well, also, society's understanding of what rape was back then was, you know, a bit different. Later that year, rumors began to spread in the science fiction community that L Ron Hubbard was up to something new. He was planning to reveal a new science of the mind, something that didn't seem as odd to people then as it does to us now. Science fiction, and already developed an uncanny reputation for predicting the future. Science fiction writers had been the ones who sort of called nuclear bombs and stuff like that had been predicted. So had space travel and everything by science fiction writers. So there was a real belief in the community that, like something brilliant was going to be born out of all this fiction. So they were ready for a sci-fi author. To create a new science like that didn't seem crazy to people like nowadays Someone Like You hear about this new science fiction writer who's launching a science, OK yeah, OK, that's not where you do it, right? Right? Yeah. That December of 1949, John Campbell published an editorial in the December issue of Astounding Science Fiction. He revealed the imminent release of L Ron Hubbard's new science Dianetics. Dun Dun Dun quote from John Campbell. It's power is almost unbelievable. It proves the mind not only can but does rule the body completely. Following the sharply defined basic laws set forth physical ills such as ulcers, asthma and arthritis can be cured, as can all other psychosomatic ills. So John Campbell was a believer because L Ron Hubbard had already used his revolutionary new science to cure the editors. Chronic sinusitis. Most of the work of Dianetics revolved around sitting down with an auditor and remembering old traumatic incidents. Someone's past Campbell believed Hubbard had taken him back to the moment of his birth, which somehow fixed his nose. I don't know, he believed it. In mid 1950, before the publication of his book on Dianetics, L Ron Hubbard attended the last meeting of his life as a simple science fiction writer. It was a convention in Newark, a sort of prototype for Comic Con like events of today. During the meeting, Hubbard is reported to have said writing for a penny award is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make $1,000,000, the best way to do it would be to start his own religion. In April of 1950, Campbell teased that coming in June, a 16,000 word article on Dianetics would be in the magazine titled Dianetics, an introduction to a new science. In his hype article, Campbell related the story of an amputee veteran who Hubbard had saved. Basically, he claimed that, like, this guy had been hit by a mortar shell, and like, while the medics were coming through afterwards, they were like, this guy's hopeless, he's better off dead anyway, and then he wound up surviving. But he, like, wanted to kill himself because the Excalibur? No, no, because the memory of these medics saying that he was better off. That had gotten lodged in his brain, and that was what Dianetics was all about. His bad memories get misfiled in your brain and you have to go through with this auditing therapy and refile them, basically. So Hubbard and Campbell succeeded in Wangling support from an actual medical doctor for their science. You got to remember, 1949 science is and it's it's pretty rudimentary. It's not an exact science. There's a lot of nonsense going on in science. And so this guy Doctor winner sits in on several auditing sessions because they would run auditing sessions. Just sci-fi fans that Campbell brought in. They were just performing quasi psychiatry on strangers who walked in off the street and just liked reading science fiction. But yeah, eventually Doctor Winter agreed to go through a session himself and found it really compelling. He added that in the other patients he observed, the changes were obvious and people seemed to be cheerful and relaxed and feel better after they got out of a dianetic session. So he figured, maybe there's something to do this like this seems like it might be a real science. It really seems like what was going on is, you know, psychotherapy was pretty new as a discipline at this point. Sure, and Dianetics was just sort of repackaging psychotherapy with different names. But like, there's a benefit in sitting down with your friends and talking about your someone and talking about your feelings, and that's what he was doing. So that's what people found benefit with. Just like 1949, people didn't talk about their feelings, men didn't talk about their feelings. So there was a benefit to this. It wasn't Hubbard's genius. It was just the benefit of sitting down and talking about your feelings. Doctor Winter actually tried to publish an article on Hubbard's methods. The Journal of the AMA and the American Journal of Psychiatry both rejected his papers. They said that he and Hubbard had neglected to provide any clinical evidence that their techniques worked. In fact, it seemed that they were just ripping off the basic techniques of psychotherapy, giving everything new names, and making up wild claims about repressed memories. Many sci-fi fans, though, were interested in this new science being launched via fandom, although several fans wrote to Campbell to complain that all he wrote about now was Dianetics. For the most part, people seemed really excited. As Asimov, though, did read an early copy of the Dianetics article and proclaim it gibberish. So, OK, not everybody was on board. In May of 1950, the science of Dianetics was released in the form most befitting a serious new scientific discipline, a science fiction fantasy Pulp Fiction magazine. Here's the cover of the issue where Dianetics was announced. You want to scrub the cover of that astounding science fiction magazine with a new science being launched in it. It's this man appears to have hair all over his body. It's a drawing of like, an alien. Yeah, it's like a very aggro looking man with. Fur. He's appears to be wearing like a mask over his eyes. His cat like eyes. Yeah, yeah. He is crossing his arms. He's very angry about something. And yeah, just he looks like a a creature. Slash alien. Slash werewolf. Yeah. And most of the magazine that week was just a bunch of random science fiction stories. This was from the helping hand, I guess, about some alien coming to Earth to help Earth or whatever. The article that launched Dianetics was also in this magazine. In the article, Hubbard explained that the brain was basically like a computer, and like a computer, it has the potential to operate with perfect recall and recollection. Mental illness was caused by memories that had essentially gotten misfiled in the brain. So you could refile everything you can, make brains function perfectly, and you'd remember everything. And just human beings could be perfected by this new mental science that L Ron Hubbard had essentially developed. So yeah, he called these memories that got misfiled in grams. And so, like, if a child got bitten by a dog. And he was too. She might not remember getting bitten by the dog, but the Ingram would be stuck in here, and it could be stimulated by sights and sounds that were similar to what had been going on around her when the dog better, and that could cause distress. The purpose of dianetic theory was essentially to gain access to the engrams, and what he called the reactive memory banks of the mine, and refile them in the analytical part of the mind so you wouldn't react to them illogically. So that was how he justified the science behind Dianetics. Sounds like nonsense, because it is nonsense. Now, Hubbard claimed that if the earliest in grams in the brain, which usually happened around childbirth, could be located and refiled, a person's analytical mind would reach new heights of productivity and success. Individuals who cleared their earliest engrams would be called clear, and they would have perfect memory, recall and a total immunity from all psychological illnesses, and many physical ones, too. In May of 1950, Dianetics, the modern science of mental health, reached bookstores across the nation. Its publisher, Hermitage house, only printed 6000 copies for its first run. They were not expecting a major. Access the book was a guide for how to carry out auditing sessions as described by Hubbard and Campbell in the reader's own home. Hubbard was basically, yeah, providing a dress up guide for people to perform unlicensed psychotherapy on their friends and family. Very safe, yeah, Dianetics. The book was a profoundly anti woman terror screed. Ron was in a feminist icon feminist icon L Ron Hubbard claimed that attempted abortions were the single most common cause of pre birth. In Grams quote, a large proportion of allegedly feeble minded children are actually attempted abortion cases. However many billions America spends yearly on institutions for the insane and jails for criminals are spent primarily because of attempted abortions done by some sex blocked mother to whom children are a curse not a blessing of God. All these things are scientific facts, tested and rechecked and tested again. So he's like a pro-life, pro rape again. Feminist icon. Feminist icon. Yeah. Alright. He believe that other Ingrams came from abusive husbands? For example, if a husband beat his pregnant wife and yelled take it, take it, I tell you, you've got to take it. The child might interpret those words literally and become a thief. Because take it, Zoe. Ron Hubbard. He thought a pregnant woman suffering from Constipation might sit on the toilet and, you know, be in horrible pain and go, oh, this is hell. I'm all jammed up inside. I feel so stuffy. Can't think this is too terrible to be born. And so the child would think that they were so terrible they didn't deserve to be born because their mom couldn't poop. That's such a specific thing for him to write to. Like speculate as to what a woman might say also. OK, that's great. Really interesting. He thought a lot of prenatal engrams. And in fact the worst prenatal Ingrams were caused by women cheating on their husbands because he assumed that a woman cheating on her husband would talk **** about her husband to her lover and that the fetus. Developing would hear this. And since many kids had the same names as their fathers, he would think that his mom was talking about him. Wow, it's weird, right? You know how fetuses understand language perfectly? That's what they're most famous for. Fetuses, their language skills. Many of these ideas are still present in Scientology today. For example, about a second worth of Googling brought me to a Scientology parent website and a page on that website titled why Silent Birth? It quotes L Ron Hubbard, a woman who wants her child to have the best possible. Chance will find a Doctor Who will agree to keep quiet, especially during the delivery, and who will insist upon silence being maintained in the hospital delivery room as far as humanly possible. Because of course, any yelling during a birth would give the child. Like, come on now, push the the fetus. The baby is going to be like, oh, I'm supposed to push people down? Yeah, exactly. And it'll just be a shoving money. Yeah, and that's why our streets are filled with shovers cereal shovers shoving people every day because I was given birth ABS. Always be shoving, scheming and shoving, screaming and shoving, both important. Dianetics was not an instant success, but within the first couple of weeks of publication, it spread very widely enough to earn bestseller. Status and provoke its first negative press. The New York Times wrote bad stuff about it, a reviewer from New Republic savaged it and basically claimed it was it was nonsense. Whatever makes sense in his discoveries does not belong to him. And his own theory appears to this reviewer as a paranoiac system which would be of interest as part of a case history, but which seems quite dangerous when offered for mass consumption as a therapeutic technique. Probably fair someone knew what they were talking about. All the experts were like, this is a bad idea. The reviewer also noted that in addition to being able to cure psychosomatic illness. Covered claim Dianetics could treat cancer and diabetes. The experts, of course, cried out that this was dangerous nonsense, but no one listened. Hubbard sold 55,000 copies in the first two months after release. He was finally rich, so in 39 short years, I'll run. Hubbard had gone from a fake blood brother of the Blackfoot Indian tribe to a fake war hero real trash novelist, and had now ascended to the lofty heights of a pop psychiatry guru. Dianetics was officially a fad, but Hubbard had a plan to keep this fad going long past its rational expiration date. And that is what we're going to get into in Part 2. Yeah, we haven't even gotten to the establishment of Scientology yet. I know, I know. Or the establishment of his boat cult. Ohh, there's so much more. Good bolt Colts, so much more to get into Caitlin Durante. You wanna plug your plug cables? I would simply love to. You can listen to my podcast, the Bechdel cast at how Stuff works. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Beccas. And you can follow me on those places as well at Caitlin Durante. And you can find me on Twitter at I write OK you can find this podcast on the Internet at behindthebackstreets.com. We'll have a pictures of that wonderful issue of the standing science and yeah. Check us out on Instagram Twitter at Bastarde pod. You can buy our T-shirts on teepublic behind the ********. So go do that. Wash your brains off. Come back tomorrow and hear another hour or so about L Ron Hubbard being a ******* nut bar. It's going to be great. See you then. 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