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Hey, I'm dua Lipa and I'm thrilled to be back for the second season of my podcast Dua Lipa at your service alongside me and my guests lists and recommendations. The show features conversations with some of my biggest inspirations working across entertainment, politics, activism and much, much more. So please tune in and join me on this very special adventure. Listen to Dua Lipa at your service starting Friday 23rd of September on the iHeartRadio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's cracking my drywalls? I'm Robert Evans. This is behind the ******** the show where every week I try a new introduction. Sophie tells me it does not work out. This is also the show where we talk about the very worst people in all of history. And with me today is Billy Wayne Davis, comedian. That's I see why you wanted more. I get it. I get it. We usually introduce a show or something. They're like, do you want some more? I was just say comedian, but now I I ****** ** your thing. You can plug anything you want. Just random. Just see me live. How about that? See? See? Billy Wayne Davis live. Yeah. BWD. Tour.com. BWD. Tour.com. See? There we go. Now that's a plug. There we go. That's a plug. You see one probably not more famous than I am. Well, maybe the story of the guy we're about to talk about today will teach you how to to self promote. Because we are speaking today about one of the great all time self promoters and who would not give up on his dream of. Being a doctor without ever getting any sort of training in how to do medicine. Oh, he just wanted respect. No, he just really wanted to try out stuff on people's bodies. Oh, OK yeah. We're talking about Gary Young. You ever heard of Gary Young? No, I'm excited about this. No, I haven't. You ever heard of Young Living essential oils? I've heard of essential oils because I live in Los Angeles. Right. Right. And the reason you've heard of essential is the reason they're, like, a big thing in our culture in this country is Gary Young. He's generally considered to be the father of essential oils. You know, they obviously go back thousands of years. Did he come up with that, too huh? Was that his line? Yeah, but it's it's accurate, too, like he he's a He's a scammer. But he did start the first big scam. Essential oil company that they have all descended from like he he turned it into a trend. So he is the OK, yeah. That's one of the few things he's like. I'll be damned. I am. Yeah, I can say that I am. I am. He's not the father of a well, we'll talk about what happened to his baby in a little bit. On June 19th, 2018, the Christian Broadcasting Network published an obituary for a dude most people listening to this have not heard of until now. Donald Gary Young. Here's how the CBN described his life quote Young spent 35 years studying the benefits and perfecting the extraction of essential oils. While building a billion dollar global business designed to share what he deemed the gift of essential oils with millions of people. Hmm. So Sharon is gift sharing his that's how you get to be a billionaire. You do by sharing your gift for a nominal fee. Yes, it's that part I always forget the last part. I'm like, here's my gift. And often by like sharing access for people to be able to sell your gift. Or really what it is is about. It's about letting people sell access to selling your gift to other people, because that's where the real money is. Is he the he's the father of that? Yeah, but for essential oils, you know, that scam has been going on longer than him. But he he he was like, what if we apply that to things that smell nice? That's not dumb. I'm not mad at him. He's not a dumb guy. He did recognize that market. He did recognize a market. That was his true talent. And as you will find out, his talent was not medicine. The obituary described young as a modern pioneer, part inventor and part historian. In the June episode of the Essential Edge, the magazine for Garry's Company, Young Living his wife wrote quote God was his foundation and his word was his bond. To let anyone down was to disappoint God, and he wasn't about to do that. He called the Bible his owners manual. What does he mean by owners? That God owns him. Yeah. Is that what that means? Or is like, this? I'm God and this is my owner's manual. Oh. You know, actually, considering what the story we're about to tell, that that seems like a little more fitting to the actual life Gary Young lived. But I'm going to guess the literal meaning is that, like, you know, I'm a servant of God and this is the book that tells me what he wants me. That's what he's saying. But he's. Yeah, in my head. He's like, I'm the dude. I'm the dude in this book tells me how to be. Yeah, he definitely believed he was the dude. Now, we don't know a tremendous amount about Gary Young's early life. I picked him for this episode because multiple fans on Twitter and Reddit suggested him. They all linked to lurid Reddit threads and personal blogs that alleged. String of ****** ** crimes by Gary Young. I was intrigued, but there was a problem. Most of the evidence about Mr. Young was held in thoroughly disreputable corners of the Internet. So I had to do a lot of weird digging on this guy to figure out exactly what I could back up and what I couldn't. And I'm saying that up front because it was a pain in the ***. And I hope everybody appreciates. It was frustrating. There was a lot of, like, cool details I couldn't report on because it's like, I couldn't find any backup for that. To this day. To this day, I just couldn't find any evidence of of like, these are stories, but no one knows if it's true exactly. There's a lot of that, like, the stuff I could verify is ******* crazy, but like, there's other stuff that I would love to be able to talk about that we just can't get into. That's kind of impressive. Yeah, like to be alive and die in 2018 and like most of your past, not be available. Yeah, some of it may just be that I don't think the state of Washington has done a bang up job digitizing all of their records from the 80s. But yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit later. So Gary was born in 1949 in Idaho. He grew up dirt poor, literally. His cabin had a dirt floor and no running water or electricity. He and his parents and his five siblings lived in a 30 by 30 foot cabin. 55. Yeah. I'm guessing it was a build of mental image here. As a young adult, Gary bought a small farm in Spokane and started working the land there. In his early 20s, he was doing some logging when a tree fell on top of him. It shattered his skull, ruptured his spinal cord, and broke 19 bones. He fell into a coma like you do, and when he woke up after a couple of days, the doctors were like, you're never going to walk again, bra. So next, Gary did what a lot of people would probably do in his position and he tried to kill himself twice. He failed. So next he did the sort of thing nobody does and decided to go on a fast and consume nothing but water and lemon juice for a. Or 243 days. Why 243? That's just how long it took until he started to feel his toes again. No ****. So if you, dear listener, have been paralyzed from. I don't even know if he was ever had an accident. This is just the story he tells there. There's no, there's no outside verification of this, but this is the story that Gary Young tells about his Life OK, OK, that makes more sense. That makes way more sense. Me believing everything you were saying just in rows. Like, what the ****? I do know. I know a lot of, like I said, you know, we both did grow up in the South. I'm sure you do, too. Know a lot of people who had farming accidents, and mostly they just get addicted to oxy. Yeah. Now. Yeah, back then it was just, like, just that old. It was just cigarettes and beer. Yeah, cigarettes and beer. And never ran into anyone who drank nothing but water and lemon juice and regained feeling in their toes. It does sound like it. Also. I believed it was like ******* northwest. Yeah. Yeah. Then they're like, yeah, well, if you eat this plant for 48 days, you you grow a new nose. That is a very Washington thing to hear. According to Gary Young's incredibly humble biography, D Gary Young, the world leader in essential oils quote, that he walks today is a miracle that defies his medical prognosis. Now, the book de Gary Young, the world leader in essential oils, was written by his wife and published by the company he founded. This is what we in the journalism biz call a conflict of interest, tragically. Heartbreakingly, I was not able to find a copy of this book on Kindle or as an ebook. Can I interrupt real quick? Absolutely. I just want to say. I don't feel like the focus should have been on him walking as much as what happened inside that shattered skull. Shouldn't that be? What we're watching is like, how you do it, though. I'm really less concerned about your toes than what's going on up there. How do you see everything? Yeah, you know what does that convinced you of Gary? Yeah. How motivated are you right now about anything? I feel like the shattered skull and deciding not to consume anything but water and lemon juice for 243 days. I feel like there's a straight line between us where he's like, I figured out a solution, right? Hold on. We should listen to what he thinks the solution is. Maybe he shouldn't be making decisions for a little while. His brain got bigger, but his skull got bigger too, so now he can walk. Now, uh yeah, I have been able to find copies of this book that I could I could access. There are some copies on eBay for like 60 bucks, so **** that. I did find a mom MLM Saleswoman's blog review of the book, and that review is quite the treasure, but we'll get to it later. I also found a summary on good reads that provided some context and I'm going to read a selection from that quote as the pages unfold. You will be amazed to read about the devastation he felt when told he would be confined to a wheelchair for life and then how with sheer determination he defied all medical prognosis and 13 years later ran in 1/2 marathon. Finishing 62nd out of 960 participants during this crucial time, he was introduced to essential oils, which changed his life forever. Working on the farm with his family, growing and cultivating crops for survival enabled him to make an easy and exciting transition to growing and cultivating aromatic crops. His desire to learn mechanics in the art of distillation have taken him all over the world and have driven him to develop and expand his farms and eventually build the largest privately owned distilleries of aromatic crops around the world. So that is the the the company line on Gary Young. Impress sounds impressive. So you wanna hear about how he drowned his baby in a hot tub? I mean, yeah, kind of, yeah. So in the early 1980s, Gary Young moved to Spokane, WA, as I stated, and started operating a small and unregulated medical practice in addition to his farm. Now his medical practice was focused on aiding people and delivering their babies. Gary had no training in medicine or obstetrics. He was not a midwife either, and had not gone through any of the grueling apprenticeships that those people go through what he did have. It was a bold dream of delivering infant human beings into hot tubs and then holding them underwater for extended periods of time, trusting that the umbilical cord would deliver them oxygen. This was in order to gain them vague and unclear health benefits. So that you don't think that's a good idea. I just believe that we're going to go back to the crux of the problem is when the tree fall on his head. You guys. Yeah. I believe the head injury. I think something happened. I don't know that I believe he broke his legs, but I believe the head injury. Do you think it fell on his head? He's like no hot tubs. Hot tubs. I got it. The problem with doctor, with modern medicine is we don't drown the babies enough. Well, like we both grew up. Around farm like my grandpa, yeah, had a farm down the street, so I grew up on a farm, more or less. And there's like a community with farms. Absolutely. So there had to be like some other farmers when he was like, I'm a doctor now. Everybody was like, no, I don't think you're a doctor. I don't think this is going to end well. Hey, old Tree head said. He's a doctor. Yeah, I'm going to guess. The people who he was convincing that he was a doctor were like people in the city. You were like kind of the Woo woo types and Spokane rather than, yes, all the farmers are like, they're going to let that dude deliver. No, no Sir, OK? I'd like to read from an October 17th, 1982 Spokane Spokesman Review article titled Babies Homestyle Birthing continues to generate controversy here quote it's because he's killing them. Yeah 4 infant deaths over the past year have infuriated some Spokane doctors and raised questions about the wisdom of homestyle birthing. Why forsake the safety of hospitals for a homey atmosphere? Is a prudent to do so? If it isn't, is there any way to stop people from having babies at home or is there a place for medical safeguards and homespun? Aesthetics to meet Midway. One of the births in question occurred in a Spokane Valley hot tub. Another took place in the South Hill home. The most recent was the most unusual. Gary and Donna Young's daughter was born September 4th in a hot tub at their health club in the Spokane Valley. They used a Russian method designed to make birth less traumatic by letting infant swim from the mother's amniotic fluid into a warm saline solution before surfacing into the world while underwater, oxygen is supplied through the umbilical cord. But the cord's oxygen flow evidently stopped before the Young's newborn surface, the infant diet of oxygen. Deprivation spokesman County coroner Lois Schenk said the young baby was born normal and healthy and would have breezed through a hospital delivery, according to Shanks and others. When contacted by phone last week, Gary Young's only comment was there are more damn hazards in the hospital than out of the hospital, and there are enough damn statistics to prove it so. Gary Young so I do like that it took 4 deaths. Like, we're back then back then. Like, even doctors. Like, listen, some of them are gonna die. That's just how they is. But this seems like more than normal. This seems like a lot of babies are dying in Spokane. You're going to lose a baby or two. That's just part of the business. But you can't. Can't. Tubs are for ******* not for hot tubs are for *******. For smoking cigars and watching the sunset for cocaine. Not for babies. Not for having a baby. Not for having a baby. That's a hard line for me. You have that baby before prom. You go to the after part exactly. Now, uh, that article sounds pretty bad, but additional reading into the subject of Gary Young's dead Baby makes it seem even worse because he didn't just try to do some weird rush and birthing ritual that got ****** ** due to like an oxygen flow defect in the umbilical cord that occurred over a few seconds. Gary Young kept his newborn infant child submerged in a hot tub for nearly an hour because he was just that share that his alternative birthing nonsense was the way to go. Uh, an hour. Was there somebody else there going like, I don't, can we? And he's like, hold on. I think it was just him and his wife. Now, Gary Young didn't go to prison after this for reasons which baffle and infuriate me. He was arrested the next year, though, for practicing medicine without a license the next year. The next year for he he kept right on being a doctor. A fake doctor. Yeah, he was like, like, I think for a lot of men. Getting your own baby killed, you would reevaluate a number of things about your life. I think so. I think if I killed my own baby, even if like, it was a total accident, I would reevaluate most of my life. Maybe it's 58 minutes and not 658 minutes. That's where our 45 start. With 20 start the first baby, 20, pull it out. OK you doing good? Get like a consent check from the baby. Just do the science. Do it. Say start with 10 minutes for the first baby, 20 for the second. By the time you get up to five or six, maybe try an hour. But if we're being honest, he doesn't have the patience for the scientific method. Would become a real doctor. Done it. So he's just like, no, just do it. Just do it. I think this will work. If it doesn't, I know how to make another one. It's Russian. If there's 11 country that knows how to keep babies alive, it's Russia. Yeah. There's like one Russian dude in town. He's like, that's not no, not our thing. No now so Young was arrested in the next year, according to The New Yorker quote. Young said in the presence of undercover detectives that he could detect cancer with a blood test. He was arrested for practicing medicine without a license, according to the spokesman sports, the Spokane Spokesman Review, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge. Next, Gary Young did what all good American accidental baby murderer slash quack medical practitioners do. He moved to Mexico and started operating an unlicensed clinic to treat cancer patients with a drug called LITTREL. According to Doctor Eva F Briggs, a Fulton, NY family medicine doctor with 35 years of experience, quote laytrel is a useless and dangerous drug that can harm or kill people because it forms cyanide in the body. It is illegal and it's something which young should be ashamed rather than proud. Jesus. Think he kills his baby, gets arrested for practicing medicine without a license, moves to Mexico and starts giving people cyanide for their cancer. But they didn't send him to jail. They're like, hey, stop. And he was like, no, no, I'm going to go do it somewhere else. Go do it somewhere else. So Doctor Briggs wrote the first credible article I could find. Then Gary Young's life. She evaluated some of the writings from his company and his wife about his life and provided good medical context about exactly why he's a scammer. After Young's Latrille business tapered off, probably because it's poison. You kept killing people because more people died. We don't have a body count on that one, but I guess it ain't zero. Not everybody's good at what they do. There's a learning curve with being a doctor. You know, you got to learn by doing just. It's apprenticing right now. I'm going to Prentice, doctor to myself. *** **** yeah I like they just keeps going. He he really he's a confident man. What years are this though? This is like 198384 right now. More. I feel like up until like 20 years ago you could get away with a lot more. You really could. The 80s were a golden age to just have confidence and nothing else. It was as a stand up when I started doing stand up was like the beginning of my space. So I saw this old guard of comedian not like well known comedian, like Rd comedian. That had been doing it in the 80s and 90s. So they lived a certain terrible lifestyle and awful people. And then the Internet happened, and it was like they all disappeared because people were like, hey, you're under arrest now. It was fascinating to watch. You hear him talk and you're like, you know, that's not how the world works anymore. So that's so fascinating. But that's what that's so recent. He's doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So after a Young's lateral business tapered off, he moved to California. Opened another cancer clinic. He started claiming he was an MD again, at this point he was not and I found another article about young on the skeptical Inquirer written by William London, a professor of public health at Cal State. He noted quote according to his personal achievements page on his website in 2017. D Gary Young studied various science subjects in the historical significance of essential oils and various countries and universities. The page indicated that he attended Bernadean University between between 1982 and 85 and a doctorate in naturopathic. Canadian median. Well, Bernadean University is a mail order diploma mill which has never been authorized to operate or to grant degrees. So that's that's where he got his. He did get a fake degree this time. That's a step back. Ordered it. He's like, I'm tired of people calling me out on the ********. I don't have a piece of paper. Feels like a technicality. Yeah. Now, in 1986, while still operating in California Dr Not a doctor, Gary Young opened another clinic in Baja, Mexico, the Rosarito Beach clinic. Here's how the Spokane. Chronicle covered one of their native sons expanding his business. Quote title is does he relieve people of pain or of their wallets? It's it's the second one. Should Donald Gary Young be half the healer? He claims there is someday, maybe a market for little plastic statues of the guy to stick on automobile dashboards. That's exactly what happened to the last great physician, according to Young, founder of the Rosarito Beach Clinic in Tijuana, Mexico. His blood crystallization test and ortho molecular cell therapy are the long-awaited remedies for most pains, he claims. $6000 will bring a cancer patient into remission. A cure can be affected for $10,000. He claims a 90% cure rate for lupus and says only 63 have died out of the thousand patients treated in the last four years. You know my history, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I'm doing. Used to be a 11. It used to be real bad, you guys. Now if he was really, if these people were coming to him with actual diseases. 63 out of 1000 wouldn't be. It wouldn't be a bad death rate. Uh, But there's some reason not to believe that any of those thousand people at anything wrong with that many might just have killed 63 healthy people. 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They're called grain free Paleo puffs, and they've got their vegan so there's no cheese in them, but they taste exactly like like an aged cheddar. I don't know. They're really ******* good. Like they're legitimately some of the one in Silverlight because that's on my way home. No, Silver Lake is too. I mean, I assume they have them too. OK. I I live a little bit. Either W it is OK, but they're ******* delicious because they've got like they're they're puff based so that you expect kind of like a Cheetos puff but there is crunchy as crunchy Cheetos. So they're like a little like nugget of of crunchy cheesy goodness. They're so ******* tasty. Can I ask a follow up question? Yes, absolutely. Sativa or indica? I don't smoke anymore but when I did I just chain smoked marijuana and never just whatever. Just whatever. Yeah, no it is a it's fun. Sophie is walking around. With a laptop showing it to to our audio guy Dan. Terrible logo. I'm sorry. Don't attack the logo so they might give us money. It's like a bear has a *****. I think it's a good logo. You do. You wouldn't you wouldn't wanna bear talking about it. A bear with an erection doesn't make you think of chips. Because when I when I think of the crunchy goodness of a delightful happy time snack, I think of a bear with a massive heart on that cheesy bear ****. That's what everybody says about bear *****. It's cheesier than you think. We're gonna be you're hurting our chances of a sponsorship. Sophie, this is off the rails. I'm trying to do a nice ad plug. For the people at lesser evil, backdoor your way into a Doritos, a DMM Doritos, like, here's some money keep. This is a disaster. Speaking of disasters, Gary Young had a clinic in Rosarito Beach. Well, it was in Tijuana, but was called the Rosarito Beach Clinic. Tijuana and Rosarito are separate towns. Rosarito is a lovely place. You can buy tram at all there. It's great. So he has this clinic and you know, he bragged that's only 63 out of 1000 of his cancer and lupus patients died, which would be a pretty good rate of success. If any of those people were actually sick, see, the reason that he says that they had cancer and lupus is because he performed blood tests on them, and those blood tests came back positive for cancer or whatever it was he was treating them for. Now. The LA Times tasked John Hurst, a great journalist, with investigating the clinic in 1987. What Hurst and his team did next is one of my favorite stories in all of journalism. So Hurst sent away for a blood testing kit from the clinic. She's glowing right now. I'm so excited. His whole demeanor changed as soon as he got to this paragraph. I just have to say it was very it was like you could see it happen. Trading time in the history of journalism, I understand. But I I love to run into stories like this that just remind you of how powerful the medium can be. And this is a great one. So you didn't have to go to Tijuana, to the clinic itself to get your blood tested. You could send away for a kit. And so herst did that. He sent for a blood testing kit from the clinic, and Gary Young sent him a kit, which included several sharp pins and two glass slides. The patient was supposed to puncture their own finger and basically make blood slides out of it and put it in the mail. Yeah. And then mail it back. Specific, right. Yes, that's super site checks out. So Hurst and his colleagues went ahead with the process quote. That's a fun conversation. Just ******* do it, alright? Yeah, yeah. A times reporter prepared two slides using blood from a healthy 7 year old 20 pound tabby cat named Boomer that belongs to Glendale veterinarian Ahmed Khalid. The slides represented at the clinic by the reporter who identified himself as a prospective client, Sharon Reynolds, a health educator at the clinic who also casts horoscopes for patients at $50 each, examine the slides under a microscope that projects an image on a television monitor. She said she found evidence of aggressive cancer in the cell as as well as liver problems. The cancer, she said. Had been in the reporter system for four or five years. Oh ****. Uh-huh, uh-huh. You must have suspected something, she said, gazing up with sorrowful eyes. I did. I I definitely suspected something I did. Next, the reporter had another blood test performed that day at the clinic, using his own actual blood. This time. And this time, Sharon Reynolds claimed to have found latent cancer, but thankfully not aggressive cancer. Ancestor. She also stated that the liver dysfunction she'd found evidence of in the cat's blood was still present in his human blood. Well, he's been ******* that cat. He'd been ******* that cat. Did you **** a cat? He's like, OK, well, now we're getting weird now. Now you're asking questions I didn't want to answer. We suggested another test and the report she provided the journalist she wrote quote elevated level of toxicity must be reduced in order to promote assimilation, increase oxygenation, and prevent degeneration. We recommend a supervised program of cleansing, detox and rebuilding. It sounds like a lot of their advice is based on that Adam Sandler character, the Cajun man. It's just say Asian after a lot of fancy words and people are like, oh, OK **** Oh yeah, that that sounds about right. That sounds like a doctor thing. You do feel like that at the doctor sometimes when the oxygen. Good. I just realized you nation tell me anything because I don't know anything. That's why you really rely on the fact that medical schools have their **** together. It is. Ospreys are flying past us right now. I saw those at the they're out by the Burbank airport. I flew out the other day. Bunch of ******* Crayon Eaters in the sky, but those are. Those have the presidential seal on it. Is Ohh, Penn says. Or Trump is OK? Yeah, because I saw him the other day. Tuesday I guess I flew out of Burbank. I guess those are presidential seal ones. And then they had Marine one over on this barrack. I'll always remember when ******* every time Obama would come to town and take the motorcade. It was just a nightmare on the roads and you couldn't do anything. No, I don't want to drive home. That's gonna suck. Presidents, stop. Stop visiting cities. Just stay. Go to the sticks. Just like, yeah, go to Duluth. They're like, I don't want to go to Duluth. We know. We know. But don't come. No one lives there. There's enough people. Don't put that light, Duluth. It's fine. It's fine. I'm sure you're graphics great right now. Oh yes. I'm sure what you call traffic is wonderful. So the detoxification program that they suggested is not cheap. It costs $2000 a week and payment was required in advance. There was however, a less intense at home version for $90.00 + 400 in vitamins and supplements sold by the vitamin company that Young had founded in California. So the only times took that route and had the vitamins sent to them, they pretended to do the treatment and when it came time for a follow up blood test to see if the treatment had worked, they mailed in a third set of blood slides. This time the blood came from a chicken they bought from a Chinatown poultry. Job? Yes, yes. Really, really. Putting that bit just a little further. I like there was a conversation. Where do we get, what do we do this time? Well, we do this like I was in Chinatown. You could buy a chicken, you could buy chicken. Let's do that. Let's get some ******* chicken blood. This is the funnest day at work ever. Now, as the Times noted quote red cells and chicken blood are Oval shaped and have no nuclei distinct from the round, non nucleated red cells in the blood of mammals when viewed under a microscope. Experts say nevertheless. The Rosarito Beach clinic diagnosed the chicken blood as if it were from a human. There is inflammation in the liver, the clinic's report said. Your blood is indicating the possibility of pre lymphoma condition. It appears as though you've recently undergone a high upset in your life which has weakened your immune response considerably. Did you eat a bunch of feathers? Were you a slaughtered to provide Nuggets? What's the kind of stress we're seeing in your blood? It feels like someone chopped your head off. Is that what happened? Is that is that what happened? You'd lose my head. The report closed with the identical prescription for their detox treatment. Young people didn't even bother to type it out differently. Next, the LA Times went to a real doctor, the head of Hematopathology at UCLA, and asked her to look at the blood without being told. She immediately recognized the chicken blood as chicken blood. She immediately said, hey, go **** yourself, this is a chick. I have stuff to do because that's what happens when you're a doctor. Sharon Reynolds, the health educator at Gary Young's clinic, was eventually confronted about the fact that she'd been analyzing chicken blood as if it were human blood. Her response is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Quote I have never seen chicken blood before, so I wouldn't know if that had been human blood. That would have been an accurate analysis of the blood. I mean, it's a solid argument. Solid argument. No. That chicken head cancer. yo-yo, if that was a human ****** ** that chicken was a human, I would be good at my job, would have nailed that, right? Right. Do I understand science? Do I understand science or what? She went on to complain that she analyzed the blood in good faith and that her diagnosis of the cat's blood was still legit. Quote, it was not a healthy cat. The cat probably has leukemia if the cat is acting. Healthy. The cat could be a carrier of leukemia. So the LA Times went to a vet to get the cat tested for leukemia. The cat was fine. Let's conclude is one of the greatest examples of journalistic shade throwing in the history of the profession. Kudos to John Hurst. I love you and I would nominate you for Pulitzer if that was not 1987. That was beautiful. Where are you going today? We're going to the vet. Going to the vet because gotta see if this cat has kids. She's still saying she's, she's just, she's just saying ****. Now, the year after this article was published in 1988, Gary Young was arrested in California on numerous charges, including selling bogus medical equipment and, of course, pretending to be a doctor. He was fined $10,000. And his clinic, which has a wheelchair? That's a chair. It's a wheelchair. So wheelchair. It's a wheelchair. You push, it pushes. You don't have the education to know. That is a chair, Sir. No. He was fined $10,000 in his clinic. Was shut down. So Gary moved back to Washington and started practicing medicine without a license. Again. He was arrested in Fife and sentenced to 60 days. A Dale in Fife. In Fife, WA. OK, I lived in Seattle for six years, so I'm aware of these areas. Which makes it even funnier. Yes, I could see. Yeah, just straight from California to five, two times in the same year. Busted for pretending to be a doctor. It's you got to keep working. You gotta respect the hustle. When do you think at one point he's like, I don't know what else I can do at this point. Pretending a doctor to be a doctor is all I have, all I know. In 1993, Gary Young founded Young Living, an essential oil business aimed at turning his passion for healing and plants into a profitable international enterprise. On January 10th 1994, Gary Young was arrested for assaulting several family members or employees or both, with an axe. It is very hard to tell if this one actually has. That's coming back three finish me off and I wasn't gonna let that tree win. Now, that one may not have happened, it's in all of like the different posts I find about it, but I have not been able to find any records of it in the Washington Superior Court. But it's possible I'm using the wrong term or some records from that far back got ****** **. There's so many acts and things in the northwest. Just don't even bring it up. It's a misdemeanor here to try to kill someone with an ex ticket. I did look through back issues with the Spokane Chronicle, but they're 94 issues weren't digitized, so I don't know if that's true. The only reputable source who repeats the story is Doctor Eva Briggs, and she doesn't link to any outside confirmation that is happened. So. That's all the detail I'll go into, but it's possible he assaulted a bunch of his family members with an axe and I didn't kill them. Definitely didn't kill anybody. No allegations of that. Ohh, just an axe assault, like, sort of like a shining thing hitting a door. Yeah, but it's hard. Oh, I guess. Yeah, he was he was just like, trying to get at him with the axe. OK, yeah, I guess if you swing, that is assault either. If you don't hit them, I would say it's fair. It's like someone was coming at me and I closed the door and they start hacking the door down with an axe. Even if they don't hit me with an axe, I would sue them for assault. That's. I would report them. Yeah. I'd like to press charges. It felt like he was trying to hurt me. I feel like I was assaulted. Yeah, I feel like he was really trying to get at me. Yeah. Now, just for legal ends. There's no verification for that. Haven't run into evidence that it's true, but you'll hear it repeated a lot. I felt like we had to address it just because it's like one of the more lurid stories you run into. Now you just don't want those tweets that. What about the what about the axe? I don't know, man. I couldn't find any. If you find evidence of the axe thing, let me know. I would love to learn that it's true. We can remove it from allegedly axed and just axed. Just tried to hit people with an axe now the next part of the approved Gary Young story goes like this in the early 1990s. He traveled to France to study distillation. He bought 160 acres of farmland in Idaho and filled it with Peppermint. Where does he get money. I mean he's been cutting all these $2000.00 a week to do your peers only fine like 10 grand and yeah, you're right, yeah, and if like 1000 people paid 2 grand a week for presumably like that's that's some good money. Yeah, you know, he's he's probably doing pretty well. That's yeah, and he sounds like he's probably decent at keeping his money. Yeah. He's no overhead in the business. No. Because you don't have to pay off any medical school bills? No. Or actually do any tests or do any tests. A good business. Yes. It's actually really great. Yeah, that's way cheaper to be a fake doctor than a real life. You just looked at colleges like that's a scam, too. Kind of what you're doing. 100 grand. The doctor. He should be. Say you're a doctor a while. For a while they catch you eventually, but then you just move. Yeah, you just fake doctor for a while. There's a time limit and you got to move on. God, the world was so different before the Internet. It was yes. And you're like, hey, you can't fake doctor anymore. Like, why? Because I'm Tom from Myspace? Because it's ******* Tom. Those *** **** Google **** ** *******. Now, uh, yeah, he bought 160 acres of farmland in Idaho filled with peppermint, tansy, and lavender. In 1994 he married his third wife, Mary, an opera singer and businesswoman with experience in the world of multi level marketing. She seems to have basically said, well, what if instead of getting constantly arrested for impersonating a doctor, we just create a company that impersonates a pharmacy, but with plants? I knew I married you for a reason. Next, you know what you you tell me when it's time to hit stuff with the axe. This head injury, he just got some brains to this operation. I left a lot of mine on the tree. Yes. We'll go back and get it. Here's how The New Yorker describes how the Young Living company got its start quote. The couple renovated a run down building in Riverton, UT to use the headquarters of Young Living Essential Oils. Young mixed his abundance oil blend into the paint he used on the walls. Now, the abundance oil does seem to have worked. Over the next few years, Young Living expanded over the nation and became one of the premium essential oil producers in the United States. In fact, Young Living deserves most of the credit for sparking our current national obsession with essential oils they claim to produce. The highest quality products maintaining a strict chain of custody from farm to bottle. OK, we will evaluate that claim in Part 2. Hmm. But of course, Young Living was not just selling lavender oil to people and leaving it at that. They were selling cures and treatments for serious diseases. The company engaged in a constant game of brinksmanship with the FDA, trying to make their products sound as much like medicine as possible without breaking the law. In 1994, one year after the Young Living was founded, Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah passed the Dietary Supplement. And Health Education Act, or Dashia, Disha, DSH, dsha. They usually acronym, which it's not like an acronym I think you'd use. Yeah, dashia deshiya sounds like diarrhea. I'm just going to say it makes me think of diarrhea. Yeah, some aid came up with it and they giggled. Make him say make hash. It it is kind of his equivalent, like the political equivalent of Orrin Hatch having diarrhea over the country because the the consequences of this law had have been terrible. So that makes sense because the way we were going, I was like, wait, did he do something good? Because it seems out of the ordinary for him. No, he did something the opposite of good. Yeah. Yeah. And we we will get into exactly what he did. But first, you know what's not, like diarrhea? That's a bad ad pivot. So she's saying that's not OK. That's a good product. Diarrhea, not diarrhea. Diarrhea. You know what? Nobody likes diarrhea. Try not diarrhea. I'll go with that. Those are the options. So you're giving me a choice, OK? Products services. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. 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You maybe even heard the rumors, your friends and loved ones. But are any of the stories about government conspiracies and cover ups actually true? The answer is surprisingly or unsurprisingly, yes. For more than a decade, we here at stuff they don't want you to know have been seeking answers to these questions, sometimes their answers that people would rather us not explore. Now we're sharing this research with you for the first time ever in a book format, you can pre-order stuff they don't want you to know now. It's the new book from us, the creators of the podcast and video series. You can turn back now or read the stuff they don't want you to know. Available for pre-order now, it's stuff you should read books.com or wherever you find your favorite books. We're back and we're talking about Dashia Orin hatches bowls bowls, yeah, so does Shia regulated dietary supplements. But when I say regulated, I don't mean it in the sense is that it like introduced stronger controls over like their quality. It actually just essentially it's one of those things where like you, you say you're regulating something but you deregulate it because of dshea the people who make dietary supplements and like natural health aids and stuff. Are essentially allowed to make vague health claims about what their products did without getting FDA approval to show that they worked. That's even safe for money. Yeah, for money. This law is why a bazillion different shady companies can sell turmeric and vaguely suggests that it cures cancer. It's also why if you analyze the turmeric pills that these people claim cure cancer, those pills might just be sawdust and lies with no actual turmeric in them. And no one is responsible for making sure that you get what you pay for because, you know, that's what. That's what the Shia does. It means. Thank you, Orrin Hatch. Actually have that written right there. Thank you, Orrin Hatch. You're welcome. As a result of dashia, the supplement industry agreed to become the number one economic force in the state of Utah. Natural remedies currently account for something like $10 billion a year in state revenue. Really? Really? Yeah, 10 billion billion out of you. So that's where you do it. There's a couple of things that Utah is the center of. If you're going to sell natural remedies and vaguely claimed that they help with cancer, Utah is where your company is going to be based. And if you're going to run a business where you abduct peoples like misbehaving. Teenagers, and put them in a work camp that some kids die at. Utah is where you're going to do that, too. And they're both because of Orrin Hatch. Know how to do 2 things. Deregulate fake medicine and let people torture teenagers? You gotta give them before they get older. Orrin Hatch. I'll vote for him. I know his name. He's been around forever. He's here. I can't be good. In 2000 Gary, Utah it's worse than you thought, Utah. Really dark stuff happens here. You just thought the Mormon stuff was bad? Utah or Capitals filled with gay and trans kids who have been abandoned by their families and live on the streets. Not a joke, just a serious problem. Utah has Utah. Thanks, Robert Redford. Wait, what? The Sundance is in Utah, right, right, right. It's the only thing weird to hold a major film industry event in a place where you can't get liquor. It is. And then the beers, like 2%. Yeah, it's that ******* near beer **** we had in Oklahoma. Yes. Ought to be a crime. I remember when I first went there on tour and I was like, what is. I've got a serious problem. What is happening here? And they're like, no, no, no, it's just half. And I was like, oh, why? Point no one could explain it. Yeah, it's it's nonsense. In 2000, Gary Young opened the Young Life Research Clinic in Springville, UT the clinic's goal was to administer essential oils and other alternative medicine to patients suffering from cancer, heart disease, depression, and other life threatening conditions that should not be treated with oregano oil. According to The New Yorker quote, the clinic employed a pediatrician named Sherman Johnson, who had recently had his medical license reinstated. About a decade later, Johnson had been investigated by the state Medical Board after a woman had died while he was treating her for cancer. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, after a nurse raised questions about the woman's death, the body was exhumed. In a subsequent probe, it was determined that she had multiple personality disorder but not cancer, that Johnson believed her story that she had been injected with cancer by a group of witches and gay doctors, and that she had died from an overdose of Demerol administered by Johnson. Johnson pleaded guilty to manslaughter. So manslaughter Gary Young, when he starts his clinic, does hire a real doctor to run it, but it's this doctor. In. I like the way your mind works. I like the way your mind works. What was it, oak or Redwood that fell on me? I think it might have been a gay witch doctor. Now that you say you got me that Demerol, which nothing against Demerol. That's not that's not the fault here. We're not blaming Demerol now, I took a look at your test results. I got one question. Have you ever been around any gay witch doctors? Because that's what they're revealing that you've been you've been infected with cancer. You get injected with cancer. Injected with. It's. Sometimes I let people just syringe me, but I I'll usually ask. But one time I didn't. One time I didn't say, is this cancer? Not cancer? Right. I don't want any cancer. You should have those witch doctors. They're trixie. I was at Sundance. All those Hollywood drinking some near beer with Orrin Hatch. This is crazy. Ohh boy, I'm not gonna get the tour of Utah. That's a mixed blessing. It is. It's actually nicer. It's a lovely state. It's very nice. Geographically beautiful in the yeah, like every part of the United States. It's beautiful. You start talking to people and you're what is happening? What the hell is going on? Like? It's pretty, ain't it? It's OK. Are you married to three of your sisters? Yeah. Ohh, no. Yes. Here you want 78 beers. There's oregano, while in case of which doctor gave you cancer, there's gay witch doctors down in that park down there. Be careful. As Young Living expanded, bringing in 10s of millions of dollars in revenue, Gary Young built a farm in Mona UT to act as they beautiful living growing ad for his company. He also built other stuff on his farm including a replica Wild West town and a literal castle. He started calling himself surgery and hosting jousting tournament which he would compete in wearing full plate armor just like the owners manual said, just like the owners manuals. Let's see as he lowers his visor and charges someone. This is what God wants. I'll be right back. Following the owners manual. Sorry, I gotta do Leviticus real quick. Ohh God, as the money rolled in. As the money rolled in, yeah. Gary Young's ambitions expanded well beyond the fake doctrine that had initially started him off. He began planning a $250 million theme park called Mount Young More. It would be a place where families could relax in five star hotels, joust and gazed upon a mountain with his face carved onto it. Young himself would later deny any of this was ever planned, but The New Yorker interviewed David Sterling, who was Young Living CEO at the time. Sterling confirmed that all these were real plans, at one point saying. Quote it was just crazy what they were trying to build out there, so. They they had nothing. He had nothing to do. He's definitely clearly tried to disassociate himself with it. Yes, they paid me a lot of money, but I had nothing to do with that. His claim is to The New Yorker is that he was trying to really just switch the company to focusing on just selling the essential oils rather than running a ridiculous vanity theme park slash unregistered surgery empire like Gary Young wanted. So he he didn't see money, a future in the adult jousting. He did not think that was a great idea. It wasn't about young. Work, honey. Don't want to go to the jail. Last resort. We can see it, guys. Face carved on the mountain. He's a fake doctor. We don't know who he is. We get to ram each other on horses. I'm going to be honest, if when I was like 9 someone had said you want to go hit your family with like lances, I would have been like **** yes, yes, yes, absolutely. Well that's the thing. If you did it there would be like wait like Thanksgiving would be like, well it's a good, it's a good business. We just go jousting on Thanksgiving. I feel like enough jousting could heal this country's political division. Just just legalize, legalize investing and hemp and jousting. That'll take care of a lot of angst. Hmm, and. Essential oils and essential oils God. So his mind is fast. Like where he goes is fast. It really, he really has the mind of a man who was badly injured by a tree of giant tree fell on his head. Yes. That is what? Yes. You know, when I wrote this, I didn't think that much about the head injury. But you're right, it really ties a lot together, makes a lot of the decisions we're like, well, this makes you know what? It doesn't make a little sense when when you consider it's something I think about as I read through more and more of the stories of these terrible people. How many of the worst? People in history explainable by like, you got hit in the head like Hitler in the ******* trenches in World War One, you got some brain damage. Like the more that we learned about just like any of our soldiers who spent a lot of time around heavy artillery. There's like these little micro, like ******* things to your brain where you get, like CTE and stuff from it. And it's like, Oh yeah, he was like just hanging out next to artillery for four years. Course that did something. Yeah. It didn't help. If you're a baseball fan, you're Don Zimmer is used to play for the No, the old Yankees coach. He's like. He just looks like that kind of damage it's yeah, putting him in charge, where he's just like what. Yeah, it's just bad for you. Yes, yeah, well and then we're like he's the strongest from the war and you're like, Yeah, but I don't think he should be saying what to do. You shouldn't be listening to him. Yeah, that much. He's in the corner hitting stuff right now. He's slamming his head into the wall real hard. So, uh, this guy? Sterling claims that, yeah, he wanted to switch the company's focus to just essential oils rather than ridiculous vanity in the unregistered surgery and stuff that Gary Young was into. This did not work out in young fired Sterling, the company claims, for performance reasons. But in an e-mail Sterling gave to The New Yorker, Young gave this explanation quote. Satan exercised dominion over you to the point where you started thinking that you had knowledge and ability greater than anyone else, including me, the creator of the company. Does sound like some head injury talking there. It it sounds like you want to sum up what he said he was like. You didn't share my blurry vision. He's not share my fairy blurry, indistinct vision from the company with The New Yorker reached out to Young Living about this distinctly non standard response from a CEO. The company spokesperson told them quote successful company founders are often cut from a different cloth than the rest of us, which is true of Gary Young and his pioneering cowboy spirit. That is not technically incorrect. A lot of people want to be doctors, a lot of people say. A lot of people say you shouldn't drown a baby in a hot tub. Those people don't know if it'll stop your medical career, but they don't know about Mexico. You've been to Rosarito. You've never heard of a little thing called Mexico. Now, we're gonna have a lot more to say about Gary Young's pioneering spirit and its impact on the world, but that's all going to have to wait until Thursday's part two of our epic series, Gary Young, the fake Doctor Who killed his own baby. Well you got any plugable plug? I will be on tour for the next couple months. I'm going to Austin for the Moon Tower festival. I'll be in Colorado next week all over. If you just go to bwdtour.com all that **** comes up. Check out BWD tour.com. 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