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Tue, 20 Aug 2019 10:00
Part Four: How To Build An Army
Hello, I'm Erica Kelly from the podcast Southern Fried True crime, and if you want to go from podcast fan to podcast host, do what I did and check out spreaker from iheart. I was working in accounting and hating it. Then after just 18 months of podcasting with Spreaker, I was able to quit my day job. Follow your podcasting dreams, let's break or handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to spreaker.com. That's spreaker.com. Hey there, it's Ebony Monet, your co-host for the San Diego Zoo's Amazing Wildlife podcast. In this special episode, we're speaking with Doctor Jane Goodall about the fascinating journey that led to her impactful behavioural discoveries on chimpanzees. It wasn't until one of the chimpanzees began to lose his fear of me, but I began to really make discoveries that actually shook the scientific world. Survive on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts? Hey guys, I'm Kaylee, short on my podcast. Too much to say. I share my thoughts on everything from music to martinis, social media, social anxiety, regrets to risky text, and so much more. I have been known to read my literal diary entries on my show, and sometimes I do interviews with my crazy group of friends, so if you guys want to tune in, you can hear new episodes of too much to say every Wednesday on the national podcast network available on the iHeartRadio. With Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to him. What's clear in my throats? I'm Robert Evans, and this is once again behind the ******** the podcast where yada yada bad people talk about them. What not? This is the 4th chapter of my audio book, The War on everyone. It's our second day recording it. I'm here with Cody Johnston, Katy Stoll. Hey guys, hello. We are all higher than we were last time, but my goodness, very much so. The last time we were not high, we were not. We were all strung out, too. Yeah. Tired. And now we're a little bit high. We're in more than a little bit more than a little bit high, but we're not as strung out. Yeah. So I have a a considerable assortment of throwing things around me that doesn't worry me at all. Cody called this hyper normalization because I I can no longer be satisfied with just just look at this. Tossing some ******* bagels. Yeah, I mean, you have to. Does nothing for me, nothing for me. So I have a bag of roughly 20. Paper towel rolls. I have to say that right before we started recording, Robert suggested that we all get on helmets and armor and he would practice his throwing knives. And that's a. That's a no. Practice is a strong word. I just want to throw knives one episode and see if I could stick them in the soundproofing on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I would argue that we don't have to be here in front of you for that. You could be on my sides. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And now that you've said that, you want to throw around knives and we're like, no. You can say something a little bad. You can I, I have these throw in Pringles, you can throw some Pringles. I have a box of around 12 little 100 calorie packs of Pringles that are all in an open topped box together and I am excited to throw that if I can kind of wing it. My, my theory, because it's kind of rectangular shaped, is if I can wing it like a Frisbee, I can get it to go straight until it hits the wall and then bursts like a scatter bomb over an Afghan wedding. If you angle it properly, throw it high enough, you could get it on the soundboard. Yeah. I mean that that's the dream. That's the dream. But I think it might be a little bit unreasonable bounce out. You have to start like, sharing pictures of this room so that people can get an idea of what you're talking about. We did this morning there's Daniel shared a picture of the of the bagels that are stuck on the top of the soundproofing. Good. Yeah. I do have a plan for those bagels and for if you guys remember two months ago we threw the coffee mate on top of the poison room. So when we start our new podcast. Which will be named some variant of the worst year ever or the worst year of our lives? We haven't. We haven't quite settled year, bad year for everybody. Bad Year, bad podcast. Fine, Fine podcast about a bad, bad year for everybody. In January, we should inaugurate the show by taking the, by that point, very, very, very stale bagels off of the soundproofing and taking the very, very, very bad coffee-mate off of the top of the poison room and having ourselves some coffee made bagels. Gross. That sounds awful. Let's do it. Let's do it. Terrible bagels to start a terrible year. We can at least see what comes out. You know, choose some coffee cream. I mean, it was expired the last time we had, I think. How much worse could it get? One pump, a portion of a cream, curdled cream? Just like several 1 cup, several dusts? Joe Biden. Yeah, Sophie covered her mouth with that. Her reaction is hard to place. No, she approves. She approves what other podcast talk about before they start. Like for us to talk about too much because we always feel like, well, I feel like we've talked for like 10 minutes at this point. We have, we have, we have. But like, yeah, so we normally talk. We we say whatever holiday it is, happy, whatever, and we make a couple jokes or whatever about that and then we get started. What is your book, you know? Show. And there's a version of it with none of this, where it's just me reading it, so I feel like they've got options. Yeah, they've got options. So **** it. Yeah, ****. **** them ******** who donated money generously so that I could do work. ***** ** ****. Theoretical ******** that haven't actually complained, but that I'm imagining. Well, what? What are you doing, Sophie? Read the book. She's telling us to get to it. OK, yeah, we might be high. It's it's possible. Chapter 4, how to build an army. Fun times. Everything you're going to read about in this chapter or listen about, hear about in this chapter I wrote here, but I said read. I don't know why. Maybe because I'm reading is documented history. I feel the need to emphasize that here at the beginning, because the history I'm about to discuss is very much under reported. Most of this is probably not stuff you heard about, certainly not in a textbook. And the question of why that is the case is a really good one. Because the story that I'm going to tell in this chapter is the story of a bloody, vicious, and exceptionally. Deadly insurgency that had a few things broken differently. Might have plunged the nation into mass violence. As it was, hundreds and hundreds of people were killed, and the killing continues to this day. OK, there's a weird way to read that last slide there. Yeah, this story of or these story of this insurgency starts, as most stories of insurgencies do, with a single guy. Now, this guy's name was Louis Beam. You guys remember talking about Louis Beam a little bit in our border episode, is he? One of the he's one of the militia men that. Yeah, Yep, Yep. The head of Border militia and all those things to say KKK guy. He had a lot to say, a lot to say. So, like me, Louis Beam was a Texan. He was born in 1946 in Lufkin, TX. And I had a roommate who was from Lufkin once who used to drunkenly punch out light bulbs. But that's neither here or there. Fun guy. Sam was his name. Yeah, history I'd like to hear sometime. It's that's the whole story. He would get drunk and he would punch light bulbs. He was seven feet tall. So Lufkin. Short story Louie Bean was from Lufkin. He grew up in the America that modern conservatives still longingly harkened back to. His parents were working class people, and his father served in combat during World War Two. That tradition inspired beam to enlist in the army at age 19. He had a pregnant wife at this point and every reason to avoid conflict. But Beam sought out a baptism by fire. And he got it. So when beam entered the US military, he was entering an organization that for the very first time was racially integrated. Vietnam was the first war where, like, black guys and white guys would fight and mixed units and black people were allowed to do all the jobs. And yeah, now, this did not sit well with me because he was a big supporter of George Wallace, you might remember from the last segregation forever, fella. Yeah, lot of common, you know, idols and heroes and people that these people gravitate towards. That they're all connected in at least two or three ways. Part of the trouble of putting this together was figuring out, like, where to stop talking about their connections, like with Matt Bracken, the guy who wrote the third series of books inspired by the Turner Diaries, also a guest on Alex Jones Show. Right? Yeah, there are a lot of these, sort of. And at what point is it are you saying it too much? And it's like taking the time to. Detract from it? Yeah, yeah. So Louie Bean joins the military lovin segregation and George Wallace. And yeah, he's frustrated by the military that he finds himself in, frustrated at serving alongside black people. At one point, beam and several of his most racist comrades hang Confederate flags in their barracks, an act of protest against the civil rights movement. That was the right thing to protest during the Vietnam War. So that's the guy beam is super psyched about. Vietnam hates black people being able to drink from the same water fountains. Yeah. So bringing the war home by Kathleen Belew provides good context for the nature of racial strife among U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. During the time being enlisted. Quote, white and black soldiers face combat together. The rear echelon was intensely segregated. 1 black Soldier described Saigon as just like Mississippi in beams camp at Chu Chi in Vietnam. Black and white soldiers frequently. Exchanged insults, slights and blows, beam served in the 25th Aviation Battalion. At a moment of escalating racial tensions as the language of black power circulated between home and Battlefront, black soldiers created a culture of afros and black berets, greeting each other with fist bumps. Some white soldiers in the 25th reported feeling alienated or threatened because of such actions. Klansmen serving as active duty personnel in Vietnam announced plans for cross burnings and spray painted racial epithets on rear echelon buildings. By 1970, the Marine Corps recorded more than 1000 incidents of racial violence at installations both in Vietnam and back home. Wow, that's actually. I never heard that before. That you never hear that story? Yeah, I I'm not surprised. But also. Yeah. Back in the states, there were murders and lynchings on military bases. Yeah, yeah, of course there were. I can't stop using this voice of, like, mild interest. You're doing great. Not appropriate for this. Yeah. In 1964, four members of the United Klans of America murdered a Black Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel. Later, in the 1960s, the Camp Pendleton clan chapter reached 200 members in size and carried out a campaign of shootings, fire bombings, torture, and harassment of Black Marines. Beam did not join the United Klans until after he was discharged from service. But he served in a military where racial violence was common, and we're a membership in extremist groups by uniformed service members was also common. It was not illegal. Yet you could openly be a Klansman and serve in the US military at this point. That changes as a result of some of the things that happened in the story. It's a good change, positive change, good move. Maybe soldiers shouldn't have the right to join organizations that urge the enslavement of huge chunks of the populace. When you put it like that, that's that's like 10%. The quarter of soldier. It's a quarter of active duty. U.S. soldiers, no, not our Members, have have met white supremacists at some point during their time service. Yeah, yeah, but it's not 1/4 of them are experienced. It. It's common though. Yeah, it's that. Yeah. That common beam was a helicopter door gunner. He manned a 50 caliber machine gun on a Huey and by his own recollection, killed over 50 people. Yeah, so he had he had a ******** job. He saw some ******** combat. He expressed. Appreciation for quote the joys of killing your enemy. But he also struggled with what would later become known as PTSD. Beam, and many others at the time called it post Vietnam stress syndrome because again, like, this is not something people really had vocabulary for. Yeah, after coming home from the war, he said this to an undercover reporter at a KKK event. Quote after I got home from the war, things didn't seem like they were before I went to Vietnam. Everything seemed different. The whole climate of the nation had changed before I went over to fight. Most of the people seemed behind U.S. soldiers, but when I returned it. Seeing the majority of Americans were against US, against the war as a whole, so he doesn't see that as a good thing. He kind of sees it as like a stab in the back sort of situation. Yeah. Feels betrayed for. Yeah. Yeah. That's never happened to a soldier before who later turned into a fascist revolutionary. Louis Beam came home in 1968 and almost immediately joined the KKK. He was racist, certainly, but the primary hatred he developed in Vietnam was that intense disgust with the left and with communism. In the early 1970s, he was involved in a spate of terroristic crimes. Machine gun attack on a Communist Party headquarters in Houston. The bombing of a left wing radio station. No one died in these attacks, and he managed to avoid charges for either of them. In 1976, he switched to a different section of the KKK. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Live by a little tike named David Duke. Yeah. Did Duke. Yeah. So Duke had grown up, as we stated in the last episode, reading Willis Carto's Western Destiny Paper and flirting with Nazism in college, dressing in his SUV, learning with you just a little bit. Little bit. Naziism, yeah, I mean he he was wearing his s s uniform as a protest for a guy whose name I have forgotten, and he marched in it up and down his school's free speech alley. But he also had an s s uniform. Dukes Knights of the Ku Klux Klan became the most prominent Klan group of the 1970s, due in large part to Duke's decision to whether the organization more closely with outright Nazism and help organize clan border patrols to stop migrants. Racial paranoia and fear of communism led to a vast surge in clan ranks throughout the 1970s. What's up, Cody? Just racial paranoia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is never this is never happened again, thankfully. In 1975, there were an estimated 6500 Klansmen nationwide. By 1979, that number had increased to 10,000, plus another 75,000 clan sympathizers. So for a while, Duke seemed like a pretty good pit for someone who might manage to take on the role of being the next George Lincoln Rockwell. He was charismatic and good at drawing media attention. In 1978 and 79, he became a constant figure on American talk shows who would have him on because they thought he was funny. In 1975, Willis Carto covered Duke's campaign for the Louisiana Senate. An issue one of his weekly magazine, the National Spotlight, Carto wrote. He sees the Klan not as a terrorist organization, but as a political movement with ideological leadership. Now, yeah, cool. Legitimizing and whatnot. Duke only won about 1/3 of the vote, but that was still seen, rightly, as a huge improvement in the political fortunes of the fascist right. Gallup reported that the number of Americans with favorable opinions of the Klan nearly doubled from 1965 to 1975. Duke then represented the best hopes of Mainstreamers in the late 1970s. Beam and a number of other Klansmen would wind up on the side of the vanguard lists. One of these other men was Bill Wilkinson, a former mid level leader. And Dukes clan, who created his own group, The Invisible Empire, in the late 1970s. Bill was noteworthy for his sheer willingness to make violent threats, saying in an interview I'm the only clan member who believes in having guns around. These guns aren't for shooting rabbits, they're for wasting people. Hmm, cool, cool company. The wonderful thing to just publicly say. Today he posted quiet part real loud. Very loud. If he were saying that today, he would be posting it on Facebook and there would be a minion in the background. We want all those little image messages. Yeah, maybe a poop emoji. In 1979, Wilkinson's Klan protested a March by the southern Christian Leadership Conference in Decatur, AL. They showed up with clubs and wound up fighting with both the marchers and the local police. Gunfire ensued and three people were wounded. No one was killed, but that would change November 1980, when Wilkinson's clan marched against communist demonstrators in Greensboro, NC. Now, have you heard of Greensboro, NC? Yeah. It's a long story that we won't be getting into in enough detail in this, because we just have to. So much to cover, but there's a clash between the communists and between the Klansmen and the Klansmen opened fire, killing five of the protesters and their stories of them, like specifically targeting black protesters and like not shooting white ones. It's it's it's a it's a murder. They they murder 5 people. Now, later investigation reveals that police were complicit in the massacre, actively directing officers away from the site of the protest in order to ensure that no law enforcement was present when the Klan attacked, aside from an FBI agent who was embedded with the Klan attackers but did nothing to stop them. Firing into the crowd. Cool. Yeah. Go FBI. Why would you, why would you do anything in that situation? It's one of those surprising. Surprising, yeah. Now, none of the killers in Greensboro were found guilty. In a subsequent criminal trial, they argued that opening fire into the crowd, often from the back of moving vehicles, had been justified because of the threat to their lives posed by the communists. A lady? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Communists are inherently dangerous. Yeah, there's one thing we know about communists. These feelings, you know, that all these people are gravitating towards. And yeah, yeah, I guess legal facts do care about their feelings. I wish. Like, it'd be cool if like someone who embodies a lot of these things became the leader of the country. That would probably. And well, that'd be that'd be interesting to watch. Interesting to watch like a guy. And yeah, if you like, now let's talk about real history rather than your nonsense fantasizing, OK? Just what happened. Not crazy theories about the future. Yeah, it was just like, what if like, alright. So Greensboro was a huge moment for the clan, and it was seen as many within the American fascist movement as nothing less than the first shots fired in a war to take back their country from communist infiltrators. The Greensboro Klansmen went on to become heroes in the movement, giving speaking tours and acting as living billboards for the cause. So that's cool. Very cool, so pretty cool. And this brings us back to Louie Beam. While he was not present at Greensboro, Beam kept extremely busy in the late 1970s. In 1979, Deng Xiaoping, the leader of China at the time, visited the United States. When he arrived in Texas, Beam attempted to spray him with red paint in the lobby of his hotel. He was punched out by a security guard. Later variations of the story would mark it down as an assassination attempt against the Chinese statesman, but the reality seems to have been much Dumber than that. He was just trying to cover him with paint. Paint him red because he's communist. The attempt that's such a like, dumb. It was the 70s, OK, You're everything was a little more primitive except for Indiana Jones Movies OK, that's fair. Speaking of Indiana Jones movies, you know what else is perfect art? Ohh, the products and services, commercials and stuff, yes that represent the show. And unlike Indiana Jones, it was not made with the female protagonist being initially envisioned as a 14 year old. 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Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. Sophie just opened an enormous bag of chips, made a tremendous amount of noise. Yeah, it was so loud. Really, really unprofessional. So excited to see what I throw next. Speaking of professional. We're back. Oh yeah, Robert lecturing about professionalism. I'm a I'm a consummate professional. You are. You are. Thank you. Haven't thrown anything yet. Yeah, except for those, those bagels I started throwing bagels. Bagels. And they brought me no joy now because I've just moved past that. But not past throwing. Never move past throwing. So when we last left Louis Beam, he had tried to literally paint Deng Xiaoping red and gotten this **** punched out of him by a security guard. That will be the most emotionally satisfying beat of this story. The rest is just. Frustrating, OK, yeah. So right around the same time he was attacking Deng Xiaoping with paint, Louis Beam began to operate a paramilitary training camp in Oklahoma called Camp Polar. White supremacists would gather there to train in combined arms techniques and prepare for to fight in a civil war against communists, blacks, and Jews, attendees with military experience were encouraged to wear their medals and Insignia over their clan fatigues. So I found an interesting article from UPI in November of 1980 that covered this camp and a little kerfuffle it ran into legally when they kind of brought a bunch of Boy Scouts over. Quote a Ku Klux Klansman who says he is prepared to do battle against communists and homosexuals and structs, Explorer Scouts and Civil Air Patrol cadets, and guerrilla warfare techniques at a paramilitary camp, a newspaper, reports. The post, which has not been fully chartered by the Boy Scouts of America, is run by Robert Johnson Day of Deer Park, who denies he is a clan member, and Louis beam of Pasadena, the Grand Dragon of the Texas KKK. I'm proud to be a member of the Klan, said Bogart, a former marine from LaPorte, Texas, who said he had been a member for two years. There were only two groups I'll do battle with. Communists and homosexuals. That's the basic reason I joined the clan. Wow. Yeah, wow. What a statement. What a statement. What a man. The grand dragon. Just a simple paramilitary training camp teaching Boy Scouts. It's not a clan camp, it's just run by the Grand dragon of the clan and another random guy. Unbelievable. Just a guy. The article notes that the concerns about the camp were initially sparked when parents have Explorer Scouts and Civil Air Patrol cadets complained that their 15 to 19 year old sons were learning guerrilla warfare techniques and racial slurs from leaders of the camp, which would be a thing to complain about. Their concerns, their concerns. As a parent, I usually think parents are being too sensitive about stuff like this, sure, but not stuff like in this situation. Actually soft these days, but yeah, yeah, yeah, kids are still too soft, but maybe it's bad. For the KKK to teach them how to fight a war. The other guy? Well, yeah, you're right, the other guy is not with the KKK, so I guess that's fine. You got both sides. That's my only option. All of us kids are ******* because we didn't grow up, been talking like. You get it? We're all. I just gave up. How could you? Would you? So if there's anything to edit out, it's that. No, no, no, no, no cinema verite, Katie, that's what this is. So yeah, it was parents complained. Civil Air Patrol Major Paul Renfro, who investigated the camp, stated to the newspaper quote, there was nothing Boy Scout about it. They were on maneuvers that were firing, unloading, using live ammunition. And the parents were very upset because they were told nothing about this. These guys misled the scouts. So camp Puller was, you know, shut down after this as a result of the controversy. But not forever. No. Now can't puller came together again during a very different time in the US so the fact that a lot of these guys were active duty US service members was not a problem. This was also, consequently, a time and what's weapon theft? And the smuggling of military grade armaments like rocket launchers to civilian militias and terrorist groups was incredibly common. So might be tied together, those two things I don't know you're talking about. So in 2019, as I write this episode, the state of Oregon is currently Ground Zero for a resurgent militia movement. You can trace the start of our most recent band of troubles back to the standoff at the Bundy compound in Bunkerville, Nevada, which led to the occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. A number of the men who were involved in that are currently helping state level Republican legislators hide in Idaho or where when I wrote this, they've since come back after getting their way because they're threatened. People with violence? Yeah, yeah. So even from that brief summary, it should be obvious how. Groups like this work. They don't have the numbers to enforce their will democratically, but they do have guns, which they used to threaten people with horrible violence to get what they want. They're gambling on the fact that nobody else will deploy violence against them because for some weird reason those people would be seen as having started it. Yeah, so we're all what it all is that angry, angry, angry. Yeah, it's it's anti democratic. Yeah, yeah, but it's fine for them now. If they were Puerto Rican. Would not be OK. Which is why the Puerto Rican group that attacked the capital with guns got wiped out and I think executed. It was bad for them, but cool to do it if you're the one that was like in the 70s or 80s. There was like an attack by a Puerto Rican terrorist group. I should have looked this up before bringing it up. But yeah, we'll circle around, circle around. It's that they got heavily punished. Yeah, but but not not so much this. Gardens, yes they do. Oh boy. So you know, when these people are not confronted and forced to face consequences for breaking the law, they continue to push. Which is what we've seen with all the guys involved in the Bundy standoffs who have now continued to push local laws and stuff in Oregon. And it's what we saw with Lewis beam in the early 1980s. He and his fellow Klansmen had not been punished for Greensboro. They hadn't really been punished for Camp Fuller. And so beam started looking for more opportunities for he and his men to enforce their own rule of law in places where they felt the government wouldn't have the guts to stand up to them. Greensboro obviously had been proof positive of how well this would work, so being looked S from camp puller and he saw the town of Seadrift, TX. He thought it was another place where he and his comrades might be able to exercise their will and force the cowardly state to flee. Before them now, sea drift was a crabbing town with a population of about 1000 people. Life there had been recently disrupted by the arrival of roughly 100 Vietnamese refugees. Overnight. Seadrift went from a very homogeneous culture where everybody spoke English, to a town where only 90% of the people spoke English. Oh no, I know it's going to cause some problems for them. Yeah, it's white genocide, is what? Yeah, so that on its own. Might not have been an issue, but the Vietnamese families proved to be extremely good at fishing for crabs. They work together in large, collaborative family fishing groups and worked more efficiently and effectively than the native crabbers of sea drugs. That's going to be a problem. That's gonna be a problem now. You'd think, capitalism being capitalism, they'd just be rewarded for this. Yeah. Yeah. Nope. In August 1979, there was a dispute over the distance between two sets of crab traps. A fight ensued and a white crabber was shot dead 2 Vietnamese crabbers were acquitted for the shooting on self-defense grounds. So so far what happened next will sound very familiar. Rumors began to percolate that the Vietnamese refugees were being funded on sketchy government welfare checks, but they smuggled gold out of Vietnam before they'd fled. Several of the men in Seadrift were Vietnam Veterans, and the scars of war hardened their hatred to their new neighbors. Which was ironic because the Vietnamese refugees who settled in Seadrift. Did so because they decided with the Americans and worked with the South Vietnamese government and it had to flee the country when the communists took over. Sure. So they sure, sure. Way more costly communism than any of the white brothers who were angry at them. Really ironic. You like. Yeah. Communicate well. This is another thing that I didn't know about. Yeah, nobody talks about Seadrift anymore. Seadrift good name for a crab in town is a good name for it. Is absolutely it. Yeah, you could see, like, the movie starting. I'm imagining. What's his name? The guy who played Sheriff Brody in Jaws. How much he was in Sequest, too. Incredible actor Roy Schneider. I'm imagining Roy Schneider is the sheriff of this little town. OK. Yeah, OK. I can accept that. I wish Roy Schneider was still alive. So they can make it make a sequel too. He wants no draft movie. For this movie? Yeah, I wanna say drift movie. Yeah, not sequest. We got enough sequest, you have a sequest cameo movie called Sea Drift. You know, crab in town. You know what? We we could have, we could have, we could have. The, the, the big boat in seaquest. Come save the day with that dolphin. That's spoilers. But Sequest shows up, saves the day. That is not what happens. So in 1980 the first of these new immigrants to Seadrift earned their American citizenship. This provoked a paroxysm of rage. Three Vietnamese boats and one mobile home were firebombed. There were beatings. One man pulled a gun on a Vietnamese fisherman walking across a deck and shot him in the leg. Louie Beam and his clan waded into this mess with Glee and consummate expertise. They started putting out reams of propaganda newsletters and magazines, calling the Vietnamese refugees boat people and accusing them of being riddled with tuberculosis and malaria clan. Propaganda also sought to stoke fears that the new immigrants would sexually assault local white women. Yeah. Stoked fears, Yep. Yeah. The clan even named their activities in Seadrift Operation Hemline, a reference to the modest, decent white women they were supposedly protecting. In one interview with a reporter, a Klansman and Seadrift said Galveston Bay is just like a fine woman if you rape her. She's never good anymore. The clan. This is awful, yeah, no comment. Also, how do you rape a Bay? Yeah. I mean, actually Charles Koch could answer that question about this Bay because he's largely responsible for ruining Galveston Bay. He's had his way with guys. Do you have a quote? He's had his way with Galveston Bay. Yeah. And it's no good anymore. That old sea song. Do you know the way to Galveston? No, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because we're. You know what? I'm angry that we got high before this. I know how to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to throw the box of Pringles. Wait, wait, I you know what? I got to do this the right way. I knew that would happen. That was a real problem. It rained the Pringles, it rained Pringles everywhere. Yeah, perfect. out-of-the-box. It's exactly what you wanted when everywhere. So she's thrilled, very happy about it. To be clear, they're little, they're little containers of Pringles. They're not like individual Pringle chips everywhere. No, that wouldn't cause that would cause mice. You know what I love is how satisfying that is on a podcast. Hmm hmm. Might have to take pictures of it. We have to take pictures of it. She's shaking your head now. She's ashamed, as she should be. On January 10th, 1981, the Vietnamese owned ********* vessel Trudy Bee was lit on fire in its dock. The next night another Vietnamese ********* boat was burned. Local police reported saying 4 white males in Klan robes starting the fire. What? Wait, was there? Was there a fifth person? Nope, Nope. Alright then, yeah, it's probably the clan. Would it be a basketball team if it were five? If there were the fifth person who wasn't in the clan? Maybe. It might be the Texas Longhorns. Yeah, yeah. So this would prove to be but a prelude. In February of 1981, the Texas KKK held a massive Klan rally in Santa Fe, TX, drawing 3 or 400 armed paramilitaries. As master of ceremonies, Louis Beam burned a small rowboat named the USS Vietcong. He told the gathered clansmen to pay attention to his technique because he was illustrating the proper way to destroy a boat by arson. This was illegal because reasons. He decried the theft of the job security of real Americans by immigrants, and promised that if the Vietnamese fishermen and Seadrift didn't flee by May 15th, the KKK would, quote, take matters into its own hands. In March, Rope clansmen started carrying out armed boat patrols of the Galveston Bay, wielding assault rifles and displaying an effigy of a lynched Vietnamese person on the rigging of their boat. Several Vietnamese families living on the water fled their homes after close passes by the clans armed patrol. There are pictures you can find of these patrols and they are quite shocking to behold. Super ****** ** yes is crazy. Yeah. This is a revolution. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the clan taking over law enforcement of a town to enforce their laws. It's so terrifying. Yeah. And one of these. Yeah. That this just happened. Yeah, this just happened. In one of these patrol pictures, we see seven men and one young woman in a mix of Klan robes and military fatigues. They wear rifles and stare out with surly expressions into the sea. Most of them are overweight, and on an individual basis, they look distinctly observed in their costumes and military gear. But there is nothing funny about the broader image of the squadron, of armed and uniformed racist. Enforcing their own laws on American soil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like if you just make fun of these people for appearing absurd. It allows them to do a lot of dangerous **** without getting taken seriously. Yeah, yeah. What if one of them was, like, the leader of the country? Him in a military uniform, like, he'll do it eventually. It's gonna look so silly, no? Yeah. And it's going to spawn like a bunch of jokey hashtags while the saying that goes bad. Never happened. Yeah. Yeah, it's OK. I'll call him drunk and that'll deal with the problems. Sure, that'll that'll show him. So, camp Puller had closed briefly after their controversy with the recruiting Boy Scouts. But it reopened in April of 1981, which was just fine. For some reason, dozens of uniformed militiamen began showing up again, firing their guns past the homes of several black families who lived nearby on their own land. The local sheriff complained that he could do nothing because, quote, no one has filed a complaint. They won't file complaints because they fear reprisal. Or potential reprisal, sure. Yeah. That guy qualifies as the good guy in this story. Oh my God, because the mayor of Kemah, a small neighboring town to Seadrift where many of the threatened Vietnamese fishermen lived, was less sympathetic. He admitted that the site of Klansmen and robes was disturbing, but declared, I don't have any reason to believe the Vietnamese are not safe. Oh my God. The boats being written on fire might be, might be 1. The guy that got shot in the leg, frustrating the lynched effigy of a Vietnamese Bishop long ago. No, this is like cheers is on the air. Doctor Frasier Crane had taken to the screen, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe, maybe not by 81981 was it 82? Oh, she's holding up two fingers because it's time. Time seems like, yeah, we look up when she started so that I can know. Well timed when she did that. Yeah, because if Frasier Crane was around 1980. Yeah, 1982. So Frasier Crane should have said something about this. It was at least in a cold open. Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least a cold open doesn't have the whole episode. Doesn't have to be about it. OK, well, we're going to pull the ads now because I can't keep up with with all these cheers gags, so. Facts. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. You're opening the bill to find all these nuts fees. There's no luring you in with free subscriptions or streaming services that you'll forget to cancel and then be charged full price for none of that. 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His unspeakable crimes and the incompetence or unwillingness of the police to stop him brought the entire country of Belgium to the brink of revolution. From Tenderfoot TV in iHeartRadio this is la Monstra. The story of abomination and conspiracy that led to the demise of the entire institution of Belgian federal police and rattled the foundations of its government. The story about the man who simply become known as La Monstre. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. We are. We're not talking about cheers anymore. Because I don't know enough about cheers to joke about it. All right, yes. Moving on. Moving on, Diane. Cheers, that guy. You know Rebecca. I only know them for their cameos on Frasier, the show I did watch. OK, well, then Lillie. Well, of course. Yeah. Yeah, she was in both. Yeah, turns out I know a lot about Jews characters. OK. I'm sorry. You know what I learned about them in Fraser? Anyway, look, the book, the book the related, related to the yeah, a little bit. A little bit. So help did not come from the local government, or for Frazier or Frazier or law enforcement. Instead, it came from the Southern Poverty Law Center, who helped a group of Vietnamese fishermen file suit against the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Beam showed up to court wearing his Klan robes, carrying a gun, and claimed I'm only charged with loving this country again. He wore a gun to his own trial and at one point challenged Morris Dees, the lawyer for the SPLC, to a duel to the death. Wow, this guy did. Did he accept? No, no, we did not. Eventually, however, the sunlight of the court case acted as a moderate disinfectant, or at least the first sign of real resistance. Finally checked the clans, escalating use of force. During the trial, video was played of beam training militiamen at Camp Poler. In that segment, he was seen advising his soldiers on how to conduct themselves in battle. He said. Quote, utterly destroy everybody, maximum damage, maximum violence. In the shortest period of time they can do only one thing die. This did not go over well in court. Finally, on December 3rd, 1989, under an avalanche of death threats, the judge issued a court order demanding an end to the Klan harassment. Beams, paramilitary group Camp Poler and four other far right militia training camps in the area were ordered shut down. The Vietnamese fishermen had won, but Louis Beam was far from defeated. 9181989 Sorry, 1981 probably matter now. Yeah, much matter. Yeah, it probably has like other plans now. He did start making other plans. Ohh, he continued to run. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spoilers. It ends with a federal public exploding, actually. So beam continued to write speeches, newsletters, and articles in various far right journals of record, culminating in his 1983 book essays of A Klansman. In this book he encouraged his fellow fascist Vietnam Veterans to bring the war on home to the United States. While the legal prescriptions against Beam and his fellow Klansmen after Seadrift were more effective than the complete exoneration they'd received after Greensboro, it effectively did nothing to actually stop clan organizing. While the fascist right receded ever so slightly in the first years after Reagan's election, by 1984, America's Nazis had realized that the president was not going to be the quasi nationalist leader they'd hoped he might be. Oh no. Yeah. How? What are they gonna do? What are they gonna do? Well, nothing good, Cody. Yeah. Yeah. So the white power movement began to grow. Then, after Reagan failed to ban abortion and reinstate segregation, I'm going to quote again from the book bring the war home, quote scholars and watchdog groups who have attempted to calculate the numbers of people in the movements. Varied branches, including for instance, Klansmen and Neo Nazis, who are often counted separately, estimate that there were about 25,000 ******** members in the 1980s, and an additional 150 to 175,000 people bought white power literature, sent contributions to groups or attended rallies or other events signifying a larger, although less formal level membership. Another 450,000 did not themselves. Participate or purchase materials, but did read the literature. The John Birch Society and contrast reached only 100,000 members at its 1965 peak. That's cool. That's a lot of people, so we focus mostly on Louis Beam and the KKK and Neo Nazis during this chapter. But it's important to know that an awful lot of other fascist groups were active, organizing and growing during this. Militant right wing organizations popped up constantly throughout the 1980s. One important group was the posse comitatus. In brief, the posses were a series of militant anti government cells. They were believers of Christian identity theology. And these true Israelites also subscribe to a conspiratorial interpretation of American history. In which all government above the county level was fundamentally illegitimate, Posse believers felt the Federal Reserve and the IRS were part of a Jewish plot to wipe out the white man. In their view, the County Sheriff was the only legitimate power in the land, and if he did not act in accordance with the wishes of the county, he should be hung by the neck until dead. OK, slightly different flavor, but I follow yeah, you see where this is going. So as a big general rule, posse members were big fans of hanging. Modern day sovereign citizens descend from the posse comitatus. You can draw a Direct Line. Between them and many modern militia movements, including the constitutional sheriffs who supported the Bundy clans, Malheur occupation. In fact, when they got stopped and that guy Lavoie Finnigan got killed, it was because the Bundy brothers were driving with some of their friends to go meet a constitutional sheriff. Of course. Yeah, yeah, cool. Appropriately enough, the first posse Comitatus cell was formed in Portland, OR back in 1969. It always comes back to Portland. It's so weird. But posse beliefs did not generate national awareness until 1983 when a guy named Gordon. All got into a series of gun fights with authorities. Call had declared himself a tax protester in 1967, writing the IRS to let them know he would no longer pay taxes to the quote, Synagogue of Satan. He was a big old Christian identity fan. Yes, he was arrested in 1976 but got out on parole and went to ground near Medina, ND a warrant was officially issued for his arrest over parole violations, which prompted US Marshals to try and arrest him while he and his family were driving home from a posse related meeting in February 1983. A shootout ensued, and, calling his family, killed two federal marshals. OK, she hmm. Gordon went on the run after that, and was finally brought down in June after a vicious gunfight that left an Arkansas sheriff and call himself dead. By the time call died, the posse movement had metastasized into which series of townships filled with white supremacist Christian identity believers who considered the federal government illegitimate were heavily armed, fiercely independent, and more than willing to kill for their beliefs. This was part of a broader trend on the far right in the 1980s to create autonomous enclaves for their ideology. An isolated rural communities. Another such group was the Aryan Nations and neo-Nazi organization centered around a compound in Hayden Lake, ID. On paper, the nations were officially a Christian identity church led by the self-proclaimed Reverend Richard Butler. In the early 1980s, Butler's group began to reach out to incarcerated white Americans, eventually leading to the formation of the Aryan Brotherhood, a Christian identity prison gang that remains influential today. That's where that comes from. Well, that was a concise little rundown of that. Did you know that Aryan Brotherhood were Christian identity believers? I didn't either. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. I didn't know that neither. Well, I started researching this stuff. Yeah, another Christian identity compound was and still is today, Elohim City in Oklahoma. By the early 1980s, Elohim was a fully self-sufficient community with its own sawmill, crops and weapons ranges on 400 sprawling acres. Elohim's operations were funded by a transcontinental trucking company and construction business operated from the compound. The denizens of Elohim considered American Society to be decadent and sinful beyond salvation, and they homeschooled their children and stockpiled weapons in anticipation of societal collapse. I mean, I wanna do all of that without the religion. Can we can, can I can get, can I just stockpile guns on a compound? I mean, probably I think that you can. That's the dream. Seems like you can anyway donate to my go fund me by Robert a compound. Ah, so you're sucking yourself guns? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guns. Maybe a couple of illegally bought rocket launchers. OK, chickens. To have police BearCat, yeah, yeah. Pig farm for bodies. Sure. Yeah, sure. I bet it would be illegal for me to do, you said, illegally describing a few of the things. You know what I did? I did. Well, I don't really want to come to that place. Oh, come on. It'll be fine. It was fine with these people. It was fine with these people. They got to do it. But for how long? They're still doing it. All right, man. Keep telling the story. There were numerous other far right groups doing similar things around the country in the 1980s and most of them fell either into the mold of Elohim city urging total separation from society or the Aryan Nations attempting to build a white insurgency against the Zionist occupied government. These disparate groups were tied together loosely by Christian identity beliefs and recruited heavily from the nascent prepping movement that started to crop up in the 1980s and blood and politics. Leonard Ziskin notes quote for William Pierce survivalist events became an opportunity for nationalist interested in self preservation rather than the advancement of the white race. So you're saying you start reaching out to these guys? Survivalist community? Around the time now, Pierce's goal became to infuse white racial consciousness into the survival movement, and thus turned it from a disconnected community of armed loaners into something he could use to bring about the revolution he desired. Independently, Klansman Louis Beam spent the early 1980s on a similar goal, spreading white racial consciousness and a desire for revolution to disaffected white Vietnam Veterans. In 1982, he wrote America's political leaders, bankers, church ministers, newsmen, sports stars, and hippies called us. Baby killers and through chicken blood on some of us when we return home. You're damn right I'm mad. I've had enough. I want these same traitors to face their enemy now. The American fighting man. They betrayed all three million of us. This is the tact that Bluebeam takes. Yeah, OK. Beam wrote articles in which he warned of a coming mass gun confiscation. He told his readers to arm up and hide their weapons and hope that the future might bring headlines like and this is Louie Bean's like what? What he wrote is his. His hoped for headlines. Millions of formerly peaceful law abiding citizens up in arms, vigilantes of one and two persons take law into own hands. Politician cut in two by Shotgun Blast as he steps from car. Federal judge killed by Bomb Blast as he starts car judge found dead. Hands tied behind back, throat cut. US senator found hanging from limb of tree on river. Cool, that's. Cool and good, cool and good. June of 2019, Walter Lubke, the Christian Democratic Union politician in Germany, was shot dead by a neo-Nazi terrorist. Luke was hated for his support of Angela Merkel's open door refugee policy. His killer had ties to larger organizations of German Nazi radicals, which included members of law enforcement. On an unrelated note, several weeks after this, members of a neo-Nazi ring within German law enforcement were found with a massive stockpile of arms and a list of politicians they planned to murder. There's this one now. Now, this happened like weeks ago. This one was ohh yes, this is the one I know about. Yeah, this is the one that we all heard about. So that's cool. So it kind of sounds like the headlines, beam wrote. Yeah. It just didn't hear about that. When you hear about it like this, everything, it's like there's all these stories. And at first you think, well, that was so long, just crazy things. Like the crazy thing that happens and you're like, this is ******* still happening. It's all the same. You're talking. I start to think like maybe, well, I don't know, what's the do you know what the percentage of racist cops is now versus like, is that the 10th or something? No, no, I mean it's got to be more than 10% sure, like versus in comparison. Well, later I like, I like to think that like, this all happened so long ago and that things are getting better. Like there's a smaller percentage of people that are this terrible, but it's not true. It's not true is what I'm getting at is like what my thought process has been honestly, this whole episode anyway, and like the like the roles that they those people gravitate towards. Yeah, anyway, we're still, we're interrupting a bunch. So, like many white nationalists in the 1980s, Robert what? Go on. Some expressed a growing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and American Conservatives in general. He damped compromise and wrote that his readers should take up the sword. Adding the sword need not be literal, although many of us would enjoy righteous fattest, the righteous satisfaction from actually lopping off heads of the enemy. A sword in the year of our Lord 1981 can be an M16, three sticks of dynamite taped together, a 12 gauge, a can of gas, or whatever is suitable to carry out any Commission of the Lord that has been entrusted to you. Cool that this is legal to write. Thanks, Lord. In 1983, Lewis Beam published an essay in the Inter clan newsletter titled Leaderless Resistance. This is where that term comes from. In the essay he argued that the top down organization of traditional fascist groups like his own Clan, Rockwell's Nazi party, and that successor William Pierce's National Alliance, were fundamentally vulnerable to infiltration from law enforcement. This was backed up by the well known fact that Rockwell's marches had often been half composed of federal informants. It was also backed up by the disastrous 1981 attempt by several American Klansmen to conquer the island of Dominica. You hear about that one? No? Alright, Dale Dominica is a small island nation near Venezuela. An assortment of NEO Nazi commandos, including a clan leader named Don Black, who'd previously been the driver of George Lincoln Rockwell's Hate bus, had gathered enough weaponry that they believed they could deploy enough force to overthrow the Prime Minister of that country and install their own government. Then they could use Dominica as a base of operations and as a funding engine to support an insurgency in the US. Now, I should note that a lot of those guys also just wanted to make money by setting up casinos and stuff. So they were. There was a mix of people who just wanted money and Nazi mercenaries. Yeah, and that's the idea, right? Like, yeah. Yeah. Intersectionality. Exactly. Exactly. The whole thing fell apart before any of these guys could set sail. FBI agents arrested ten Nazi commandos in New Orleans on a rented boat filled with guns, dynamite bullets, and Confederate and Nazi flags. Don Black could confess things to be with those great things to have in there. Just cover all your bases. Don Black and several of these other guys spent time in prison. And when Black got out, he went on to found the neo-Nazi website. Stormfront. OK, that's where that comes from. He's actually pretty minor. Part of the well, not minor. You just wasn't a huge part of the Dominican thing. You just kind of a kind of a guy there. He was just there was just one of the guys. Yeah, I mean. Big deal. But so after Domenica Fascist thinkers like beam, we're eager to find a new way to organize that wouldn't just get them caught by the FBI. Yeah, yeah. As he noted in the legalists resistance, an infiltrator can destroy anything which is beneath him in the Pyramid of Organization. In order to counter this, beam suggested white supremacists adopt A cell type organization similar to those used by communist insurgencies. To quote Leonard Zeskind blood and politics, small groups of people work together but were known to only one another. Other small groups worked independently, and the participants of 1 cell remained unknown to the personnel of another. That's an enemy infiltrator could possibly betray 1 cell, but couldn't break up the entire underground. While the cell structure was an improvement over the traditional pyramid, beam decided it also had weaknesses. The problem was, it required a central command to give directions to all the cells, and their new vision of vanguardism did not support one single leadership being proposed. Instead, a structure of cells like the communists, each operating independently of the others but without a headquarters, sounds like terrorism. Yes, it does. Now this put beam in direct opposition to William Pierce, his National Alliance and the idealized neo-Nazi insurgency he'd imagined in the Turner Diaries. The order had included a strong central structure, directing a series of semi independent cells and wielding them as weapons towards the greater goal of disrupting society and rendering it ungovernable. Pearson Beam and their separate camps were at loggerheads, but in 1983 a man came along with the vision to synthesize their dueling theories into one violent hole. Alright, OK Robert J Matthews was born in Marfa, TX on January 16th, 1953. He joined the John Birch Society at age 11. Yeah. Whoo. Whoo. Boy, that is that is early. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. In 1971, he was on his way to a list at Fort Huachuca, AZ, when he heard a radio report on the prosecution of Lieutenant Bill Kelly, the American officer who presided over the murder of hundreds of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai. Matthews obviously thought the killing of women and children was imminently justified in the fight against communism. He decided not to join an army that wouldn't let him kill children with impunity. You'll have to have values, you know. Yeah, values are critical. Yeah. I will not stand for this. That's true. I didn't think of that. I was all fired up to go to Vietnam until I learned that my army prosecutes people war crimes. Thank you. Thank you. I've changed my mind about this guy. Good news is he did still find a war to fight. Ohh good. I could see your worry written on your face. Kate was his destiny. It was his destiny. Matthews first found himself drawn to violent extremism. As part of the tax protest movement, he formed an anti communist militia called the Sons of Liberty and the time for tax fraud in the early 1970s. Through his involvement with the survivalist movement, Matthews was gradually drawn into the cause of white nationalism. He moved him. Yeah, what? Shocking. He moved to Metaline Falls, WA in the mid 1970s and in 1980 he joined William Pierce's National Alliance. Matthews fell in love with the Turner Diaries and the vision of a possible white revolution it provided. His earliest on the ground activism involved a series of childish fistfights with anti fascist protesters during a Nazi rally in Spokane in a Spokane public park. He single handedly fended off several anti fascists and earned a place in Richard Butler's inner circle. And so Matthews was on the Aryan Nation compound in Idaho in July 1983 for the yearly Congress of white power leaders. On that fine Summer Day, 300 wannabe Arian Revolutionary sat down to plan the future of their movement, Louis Beam and another fascist thinker, Robert Miles. Seem to have dominated the discussion. There are no minutes taken for such meetings since what was being planned at the Congress was the violent insurgent overthrow of the US government. But it is generally accepted that the white supremacist leaders who assembled that day walked away with two broad conclusions about their future. Number one was the need to use computer networks to organize and coordinate the leaderless resistance beam advocated. That will help #2 was the value of cell style organizations and taking the movement forward into the future. The dreams were grand indeed, and Robert Miles sought to establish a series of no less than 600. Cells each 100 miles apart. So the nuclear war they all thought was coming wouldn't wipe them all out. Miles's theories were very much focused around the importance of building a white supremacist movement that could dominate America in the wake of a nuclear exchange with the USSR. B anticipated nuclear War Two, but he was more interested in building a network of terror cells that could start carrying out attacks on enemies of the white race at once. But in order to do all this, beam and his fellow fascists were going to need a lot of money. Computer equipment was not cheap in the 1980s, and the insurgency they needed to build required weapons, too. Not just civilian weapons, but military grade equipment, rocket launchers and machine guns bought from bribed military supply officers. In order to fund all this, miles suggested robbing armored cars, and bit by bit, a plan began to take hold. Louis Beam and William Pierce had spent years sketching out theories and passing out propaganda. They've been rewarded by an American fascist movement that was hundreds of times larger and more capable than anything George Lincoln Rockwell had commanded. Now it was time to take the next step forward and make the fantasies William Pierce had written down in the Turner Diaries a reality. The man to do that would be young Bob Matthews. OK, so that's the end of this chapter. You guys having a good time? Yeah, happy. Everybody's feeling good. I wish we hadn't smoked pot earlier. I wish we hadn't smoked pot earlier, but I'm a little less high. That's great. I'm a little less high. And I'm really excited for this next chapter. I'm excited to throw these seats. Is that has those seats? Is that giant bag of sunflower seeds ever been opened? It hasn't been opened. Great. Excellent. Then Sophie, wonderful. I had a whole case of Perrier canned water that I think it might be Perrier. Perrier. But Sophie took the case away and I'm very unhappy. But I am at some point during this recording session, going to steal the cans back and throw them. She wasn't on Mike, but that was a serious, serious throw him at something. I'm gonna do some damage. Doesn't seem like you're going to. I wouldn't believe it was that chapter called how to build an army. Yeah, well, there you go. There you go. You spelled it out for you. Let's see, what should I throw next? Maybe these Kirkland? Yeah, you can do that. 2020 something. Paper towels. Soft and harmless before. Yeah, you should probably run. Yeah. Oh, God, that was a throw. Did you? I'm you could have hurt yourself. That was a big. It's a huge bag of rolls. Yeah, deeper. It's the size of you, Katie. It it. Yeah. Yeah. Last time I met Wade myself, I was 12 rolls of paper towels. So you're right. I would like a square footage. Oh yeah. Well, that too. So guess what? Your website. Oh yeah. Cody, you go. I'm not finishing sentences. Well today. Google our names. And. That words like some more news, even more news and the website or like platform that you're looking for, like Patreon and Twitter and public all the things. Yeah, thanks google.com. And you can use google.com to find out if I sell T-shirts. He might. He does. It's on teepublic. Thank you, Katie. What else? We don't have a website. Use Twitter. It's a great way to connect with white nationalists. It still is that. Yeah. I mean, if you go to our Twitter, you'll see great tweets like from this guy at Salt Throne who wrote more like, I pronounce OK Insulting Roberts Twitter handle. That tweet was made days ago. Sophie has saved it on her phone for this moment. That's a good bird. 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