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No Matter How Much You Hate Paul Manafort, You Should Hate Him More (And Here’s Why)

No Matter How Much You Hate Paul Manafort, You Should Hate Him More (And Here’s Why)

Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:00

Paul Manafort invented some of the very worst parts of our modern world. In a real way, he is one of the architects of our current national nightmare. In Episode 15, Robert is joined by comedian, Dave Ross (Suicide Buddies Podcast) to discuss Paul Manafort aka The Man Who Donkey-Punched Democracy. Paul Manafort’s work with the Trump Campaign is actually just about the LEAST objectionable thing this man has done in his entire life. Manafort is a MAJOR bad guy!

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Hello, I'm Erica Kelly from the podcast Southern Fried True crime, and if you want to go from podcast fan to podcast host, do what I did and check out spreaker from iheart. I was working in accounting and hating it. Then after just 18 months of podcasting with Spreaker, I was able to quit my day job. Follow your podcasting dreams, let's break or handle the hosting, creation, distribution, and monetization of your podcast. Go to That's Hey guys, I'm Kaylee short on my podcast. Too much to say. I share my thoughts on everything from music to martinis. Social media is social anxiety, regrets to risky text, and so much more. I have been known to read my literal diary entries on my show, and sometimes I do interviews with my crazy group of friends. So if you guys want to tune in, you can hear new episodes of too much to say every Wednesday on the national podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to him. Hey, it's Chuck Wicks from love country. Talk to Chuck where we bring you what's really happening in the country music family. We also if you love country, here's the deal. You love country music, you can be on the podcast. So if you're a fan country music or you can call in anytime, be like, oh, I want to talk about this, Hulk Hogan called in. He's like, Chuck the hulkster. I love your podcast, Jason Aldean, Jimmy Allen, Carly Pierce, Lauren Elena. Listen to new episodes of love Country talk to Chuck every Monday and Thursday on the Nashville podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to. Forecast. Hello friends. I am Robert Evans and this is again behind the ******** to show where we tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history. Today with me is my guest who I will be reading a story about. A terrible person too. My guest is coming in cold. His name is Dave Ross. He is the host of the Suicide Buddies Podcast and a comedian. Dave, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, man. Thank you. I had already thanked you before, but you deserve 2. Thank you. And at least one more. But that one's gonna be a secret. Thank you. But, man, thank you. You know what I mean? Because now I have to give you my third thank you now, but that thank you was planned for later. You could also say you're welcome if you want to save your thank you. I've never heard those words before. Right? Well, no one really is. Alright, so today we're going to be talking about a guy. Paul Manafort. What do you what do you know about Paul Manafort? I know very little about Paul Manafort. He was wasn't he Trump's campaign manager for 1/2 a minute? Sure was. Yeah. And then months. Yeah, a couple of months. He was one of the guys that got fired. And yeah, I really don't know anymore than that, you know? Is that alone? He's in jail. I did not know. Wow. OK. Yeah, he's he's ******* in jail. Mueller caught him on some bunch of ****. I'll be getting into that. I am viciously not plugged in to current. Events or pop culture. Always. My entire life. That's a sane thing to be. Yeah. It's more so now because I'm forced to be. Yeah. But yeah. Jill. All right. I'm going to guess what most people listening know about Paul Manafort is, yeah, he was Donald Trump's campaign manager for a while. Mueller caught him doing some shady stuff, and he's in jail now. And maybe he did something shady in the Ukraine, but they probably don't have fun. The details, good stuff. We're going to be getting into all of that today, but, you know. Manafort is definitely most well known and most hated for the role he played in getting Donald Trump elected president. And I I the big point of this podcast today is to let people know that Paul Manafort's work with the Trump campaign is probably the least objectionable thing he did in his entire life. Wow. Yeah, he is a major bad guy. And so far I would, I would venture to say he's done more damage to the world than Donald Trump so far. I mean, we're only two years into this Presidency, so Trump can grow. But Paul Manafort is a world class, historical grade ******* and that's what today's story is about. Oh my God, I can't wait. Yeah. Yeah. So join me, won't you, on a journey that I like to call Paul Manafort is just as bad if not worse than Donald Trump. And I hope a Haifa fire Ant sets up shop in his: That's a working title. Is that the whole story? Because we can't talk about that for a while. I mean, how would you get fire ants inside of a man's: that really is involved? Horn surgery. So either a knife roll, either a knife or a horn. Yeah, or, I don't know, somehow some sort of funnel coerced him into sitting on a pile of fire ants for long enough, and you have to coerce the ants up into his ****** like it's a two-part 2. Until they get up there or he has to be held down. Either way, it's workable. I think we can agree there's a there's a road to this destination. OK. Anyway, Paul Manafort Junior was born on April 1st, 1949, making his entire life and career essentially one very dark April Fools joke on all of us. He was raised in New Britain, CT His grandfather immigrated there from Italy in 1907 and started a construction company. But Paul's father, Paul Manafort senior, wanted more than just the lucrative corpse burying mafia. Contracts and Italian contractor could expect to earn. In the 1960s, he wanted political power. So in 1965, Manafort senior ran for and won election to become the Mayor of New Britain. He was a Republican, and his easy charm made him popular with voters. Manafort junior worked on his dad's campaigns as a teenager. He has happy memories of going to bars with his dad, who'd buy rounds and drinks for and schmooze with potential voters. Manafort senior was mayor until 1971, and as you might expect from the Manafort name, he was outrageously. Erupt. In 1981, he was charged with perjury for lying in court about a municipal corruption investigation. A major source for this episode is The Atlantic article Paul Manafort, American Hustler, and it brings up a report from a lawyer, Palmer McGee, which is fun name for a lawyer cute, who was hired by New Britain to report on the hilarious corruption in their town quote. In his findings, he pointed a finger straight at Manafort senior, calling him the person most at fault. According to the testimony of a whistleblower, Manafort had flatly announced that he wanted to hire someone flexible. To manage his personal office, a place that would quote not be 100% by the rules, which is a very nice way of saying he was going to commit Major Crimes while the mayor of a town years later in an interview Paul Manafort junior would say some of the skills I learned there I still use today. That's where I cut my teeth. With my criminal mayor dad. Wow, man. And so this is an even his career yet he hasn't even. This is not even his final form. He's just starting on the road to being ****** and looking at his dad and going but what if I was worse? Yeah, and I imagine his dad is the mayor from Jaws. I know that's. I cannot recall jaws well enough. Oh well, it's got a great ****** mayor, one of the great ****** mayors and ****** mayor movie history. Great. Yeah, yeah, I love a ****** mayor. Oh man, it's one of my favorite. I love it when they become a ****** governor. You know what I mean? Yes, several. Rob Ford is what I'm talking about. Wow. I guess he's not a, you know, I expected a Reagan reference there and we didn't. You didn't give me one. That's nice. Yeah. I mean, we could do that. We could do this, Christie, if you want. They're more George Bush. George Bush was governor for a while. Yeah, he was a ****** baseball team owner for a while. Lot of Shittiness out there. Yeah, ****** artist now. It's amazing the news today? James Gunn just just lost a movie for things headed a decade ago. But if you're a terrible governor, you can do anything. It doesn't matter how corrupt you've been. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's amazing. You can become ******* president like several times, yeah? What a great, what a great system we've developed. All right. So Paul Manafort, junior. Hereafter the only Paul Manafort we'll be talking about. So just forget, forget the secret. That senior dude got it. He first. Paul Manafort first got into national politics in 1976. That was the year President Gerald Ford ran for reelection. Manafort was his delegate coordinator and basically helped him fight off a primary challenge from Ronald Reagan. So always a Reagan connection. Reagan lost that against. Yeah, against Gerald Ford. Ford was the president at the time. You know, it's. Pretty hard to unseat. Yeah. I didn't realize we were talking about president for some reason. Yeah. No, it's. I don't know why I would have thought that Gerald Ford would have beat Ronald Reagan in, like, a Comptroller seat when they were 21 or whatever. He definitely would have beat Reagan in a fistfight because if so, oh, man, if I think you're put, I think of our modern presidents. Gerald Ford is probably close to the top of presidents. I think could win in a fist fight. Yeah, but like a boxer. Yeah. Yeah, like face, white face. He could definitely take a punch. Yeah, for sure Gerald Ford could take a punch, but in he did not succeed in winning the presidential election that year, which was won by Carter, which led to four years of Carter ISM. In 1978, Manafort took a job as the Southern coordinator for Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign because Reagan decided he was going to try and unseat Carter gave it another shot. Manafort held this position for two years and used it to begin his first experiment with dirty tricks. There was this guy, Neil Acker, who'd helped Manafort and his partner. Roger Stone a couple years earlier, during the midterms. Manafort. Yeah, that's the only proper reaction to Roger Stone's name. He's he's he's history. He's a monster. Yeah, he is a monster, admittedly. A monster. He says, yeah, I like to **** people off. I like it when people hate me. Yeah, well, so Manafort and Stone had worked with this guy, Neil Acker, during the midterms, and he'd been a big help to them. So Manafort and Stone had promised to support Acker as a replacement for Roger Stone at the head of the influential. Young Republicans group. But in 1979, when it came time to put up or shut up, Manafort backed out of the deal and told Acker that now he wouldn't help unless Acker swore loyalty to Ronald Reagan. Acker wanted to stay neutral, and so Paul Manafort burned him to the ground. One week before the Young Republican Convention, Manafort went to the delegates who already promised to support Acker and told them to leave. Then he took over managing Ackers opponents campaign. Acker lost the the election and what one of Manafort's whips called one of the great **** jobs in party politics. Yeah, politics. People always have fun ways of talking about how they **** with the government and the planet, man. This is why I love Veep so much. It's the only show that's really accurately portrayed how much they say **** and **** job and make fun of each other in our ********. You know, in my private career as a journalist, I interviewed a number of congressional aides and like gubernatorial assistance and stuff like that. People who had worked in like national and high level state politics and every single one of them said Veep was the only TV show about politics. That was that was accurate to how people talk in politics. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. None of them, none of them chose The West Wing. Well, of course not. Yeah, West Wing is liberal **** which makes it the greatest TV show of all time, in my opinion. But wow, it's soothing to watch, but totally. It's like a back rub. It's all it is. Nobody with that much like backbone and moral certainty has ever been President. There are no people that are that altruistic. There just are not. And I we all wish there were. We all flip out like they could be. But they're not. No, no, they just they just don't get that far in politics. So President Reagan won. The election in 1980, with Paul Manafort's help, what was the name of the guy that they buried? Neil acker. Neil Acker, yeah, yeah, yeah, Neil Acker. So in 1980, Reagan wins with Paul Manafort's help, and this gives Manafort the access and cloud he'd always needed. He was appointed associate director of the Presidential Personnel Office. This meant he got to help pick the people who would work in Reagan's White House, which would be a huge benefit to someone who happened to also own a lobbying firm. And on an unrelated note, in 1980 Paul Manafort started his very own lobbying firm. This good buddy Roger Stone and a man named Charles Black, their company Black, Manafort and Stone would soon become a DC legend. Now, when you hear the phrase DC lobbyist today, it probably has a pretty strong negative connotation because now we just assume that corrupt *** lobbyists from the NRA and the tobacco companies and the oil and gas industry are constantly deep dicking our democracy. But it didn't always used to be this way. In 1967, there were just 64 registered lobbyists in the entire United States. Wow. Yeah. This has not been a thing we've always done. In 1963, several political scientists studied the few lobbyists in DC and concluded, and I found this quote in that Atlantic article. When we look at the typical lobby, we find its opportunities to maneuver are sharply limited, its staff mediocre. Its typical problem, not the influencing of congressional votes, but finding the clients and contributors to enable it to survive at all. So lobbying is, like, not a thing for a long time, yeah, and in 1980, lobbying was still a very small field. Foreign lobbying, like lobbying on behalf of a foreign country, was even rarer. Thanks in part to our special bonus ******* of the week, Ivy Lee, I should have called for an air horn there. I don't know we can do it. Yeah. Who is Ivy Lee? I've never heard this name. Yeah, most people have not. Ivy Lee was a PR man and one of the trailblazers of that profession. He is sometimes called the father of public relations. So he's like the George Washington of PR. Yeah, he worked for John D Rockefeller in the early 1900s. Mr Rockefeller owned a number of coal mines in Colorado. His company came into conflict with the United Mine Workers of America Union, who wanted better pay and conditions in exchange for dying and mining disasters. The Union went on strike. And set up a gigantic tent colony outside of the town of Ludlow, Colorado for themselves and their families. Things got heated and the National Guard was brought in to break up the strike. This quickly turned into a battle and 12 children were burnt to death inside a tent. A total of 19 strikers and their family members, mostly their family members and one National Guardsman, died. This became known as the Ludlow Massacre and it was very bad PR for Rockefeller and his company. Ivy League jumped to his aid and wrote a publicity leaflet blaming the child deaths on, quote, agitators paid for by the Union. He didn't quite call the dead kids crisis actors, but the implication was there. This inflamed tensions between the strikers and the National Guard that led to 10 more days of violence. Another 50 people were killed in. The actual army had to be called in to calm things down via bullets. Ivy Lee was called in before US Commission on Industrial Relations and asked, in essence, what the ****? He explained that he and Rockefeller had been lied to by mine managers. They hadn't meant to massacre anyone. They just trusted those conniving managers who told them the strikers were super dangerous so it wasn't Rockefeller's fault. His fault that all those kids got burnt to death? Right. It's also such a funny argument. Like, yeah, no, we killed them because we thought that they were mad. And when we found out that they weren't mad or whatever, not that they weren't mad, but, you know, they weren't monsters. Yeah, totally. And then we felt bad after we murdered them. Our first hour go to is murder. But in this case, it was the wrong thing. So we apologize. Yeah. In the future, we might murder people, but so, you know. Every time we murder people from now on, it's going to be because someone told us that they're mean. Yeah. So the miners started calling Ivy Lee Poison Ivy Lee, which is, you know, it's the night. Early 1900s nicknames are a new science. They were doing their best. I don't know. Poison Ivy leaves. Not so bad. Yeah. Poison Ivy's, you know, you get it's it itches. Itches. Yeah, it's it causes not good real problems. Yeah. So Ivy Lee. Poison Ivy Lee spent the next 20 years representing a variety of corporations. He eventually landed a contract with the IG Farben chemical company and travelled to Berlin in 1934 to give them advice. During this trip he also had a meeting with a guy named Adolf Hitler and another guy named Joseph Gribbles Jesus. He did free work on their behalf, speaking to a number of American journalists in Berlin to try and put a positive spin on their coverage of the Nazis. So I started my research on Mr. Lee on a website called PR Place, which describes itself as quote where public relations and communications practice meet scholarship, where insight is derived from evidence, and where. Questions of career development and professionalism are explored since this guy is the founder of PR in a lot of ways, PR place at a largely positive description of really they, they talk about the controversy and he did some bad things with the Nazis, but he was just giving them advice. He was an unpaid consultant. You know, it was, it was A and it was a real, you know, it was a bad error of judgment. But, you know, he has a mixed legacy and we have to consider all the parts of it. So that's their take on this guy. And we are 15 minutes in. I and I am tired. I am ******* tired. We are four out of 24 pages and I this this was a long week of research, my friend. Yeah, OK, yeah. So I might get coffee, you know, and I feel like I could leave, go get coffee and come back and not miss anything. Miss a lot of things, but not miss anything. Because the general theme here is all these people are huge pieces of ****. And you should probably you should feel validated in being a nihilist. I want to. I think it's fascinating that they're all pieces of **** in the same way the pieces of **** that we still are dealing with are piece, right? Well, that's exactly what I mean. Yeah. And it's also even the term ***** ** **** is reductive. It's like evil. If you believe that evil exists in a lot of ways, drunk with power, these guys and Paul Manafort are kind of the truest form of evil because it's like, it's one thing to believe a crazy thing about the world like that this race is superior and to do terrible things based on that. It's another thing to support that guy. Just for cash? Absolutely, yeah. It's also, I mean, I think a lot of our conception of evil comes from people getting, like I just said, drunk with power. You get power and you end up doing awful things. You mad, right? Exactly. But these people aren't even really that powerful. Before, yeah. They just want power. And so they're like, oh, if I help this person by doing this manipulative thing because I am super good at manipulating people I've learned over, who knows where he learned how to be manipulative. You know what I mean? Like in comedy, you have to go to open mics to get good open mics for. These ******** are just like the people they date. Well, that and mining disaster. And then. Yeah. And then the next level is mining disasters. And eventually you get to destroy an entire country. Yeah. So here's how that wonderful website. Your place, summarized the meeting between Hitler and Ivy League, the founder of PR. I can't even Lee reportedly advised gerbils to see propaganda efforts in the United States and urged him to meet personally with foreign diplomats and press in an effort to establish better relations with them. So that doesn't. So that doesn't sound too bad. He was asking them to stop propagandizing to Americans. Maybe this guy's a hero only I dug a little bit deeper, just a little bit deeper, and I found a time article about Mr. Lee. Now time is much harsher on his work with the Nazis. It also mentioned some facts. Airplays decided not to include for some inexplicable reason, like the fact that Lee salary with IG Farben went from 3000 a year to 25,000 a year as soon as Hitler came to power, which is probably just a coincidence. It also fails to mention that IG Farben was nationalized, so his paid work for that company was also paid work for the German government, AKA the Nazis. Now time includes a quote from Jonathan Arbach, author of Weapons of Democracy, Propaganda, Progressivism and American Public Opinion. Arbach suspects the main purpose of the meeting was to provide the Nazi high command with quote some. Insight into how Americans think about Nazis. It was also to advise them on how to make us, quote, think more positively about Nazis now. Mr. Lee was called to later testify in front of a congressional committee for all of this Nazi stuff. Time reported on that testimony back in 1934. So in the article they cite themselves from the past writing about Mr. Lee. I have told them repeatedly, testified Mr. Lee, that the dissemination of the organization of German propaganda in the US was just a mistake and futile, that it was bad business, that complete reliance should be placed upon getting news to the American people. Through normal channels of publicity I told them that there were certain policies which Germany had on Jews which were bound to antagonize American public opinion. So basically he advised Hitler and Goebbels to ixnay on the uja while they were trying to court public opinion in the US. This is exactly what happened in the early 30s. The first couple of years after power there was a distinct drop in the anti-Semitic mentions and Hitler speeches and then like their communications to foreign powers, which sort of culminated in the the Olympics where they removed all signs of anti-Semitism just long enough for the. World to visit for the Olympics and then when, you know, put it in the high gear after that. So they they took this guys advice. In other words. Now Lee died almost immediately after testifying in front of Congress. PR place says that the stress of his testimony is what killed him. So hopefully right like, **** the guy. But his mild Hitler ring went on to have ramifications that are still with us today. Good ramifications. In 1938, the US passed the foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, which requires Americans to register with the government. We're working on behalf of a foreign government to, say, influence public opinion towards an authoritarian regime in another country. Now, we're going to hear more about Farrah later. For right now, it's important to understand that another aspect of Ivy Lee's little freelance Nazi career was a decades long depression in the lobbying for sketchy foreign governments industry. It just wasn't done for a while. Again, there weren't very many lobbyists anyway, and sort of the stigma attached to Lee had kind of stopped it from happening for quite a while. Black manafort? Paul Manafort is the one that brought him back in. I wish I were dead. This is ******* crazy. That might, might as well be the tagline for this position. I wish I were dead. I feel every time I watch the news now. Yeah. Oh, ****. You got a tide pod sitting here? Yeah, we always have a tide pod. In that case, I'm we're millennials. Half an hour more, I'm going to eat that ****. You will die, right? Probably, yeah. Has anyone ever done it? I think you'll die. It's it's hard to say. It might be one of those things. That's either way. We always have a tide pod around. I appreciate it. So, yeah, Black, Manafort and Stone were the lobbying firm that brought this back with a vengeance. Now, they started by working with standard, respectable American corporations like Bethlehem, Steel, Johnson and Johnson, Transworld Airlines, the Tobacco Institute. You know, in other debates, fine. It's probably, they probably weren't hiding anything. Tell me that was a university. Tell me that was a real college that people went to, where you learn how to grow the best. They were innovators in the lobbying field and were the first company to combine lobbying, consulting, and PR into the same business. Time magazine called them a supermarket of influence peddling. In other words, they were the Wal-Mart of propaganda. Black, Manafort, and Stone was the first lobbying firm to also include political consultants, which meant they could run campaigns and then lobby the politicians they put in power simultaneously. What a value. And like all true innovators, Paul Manafort wasn't willing to sit on his laurels. He and his partners introduced another lobbying innovation in 1984. Working for both sides at once in Louisiana, Vermont and Florida, the firm represented both Republican and Democratic candidates in that year's elections, guaranteeing they'd have a lobbying in no matter who won. Ohh yeah, see, we're we're well into it now. Yeah, and we will, we will get back into it. 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He should have asked me why I'm missing fingers on my left hand. A story about sacrifice. I think his suffering drove him to try to alleviate suffering. And the shocking discovery is just a human being like me that was born and is going to die. That will make her more able to navigate the challenges that doubtlessly lie ahead and the challenges that she is dealing with now. And if you like the sound of that, just wait for what we have in store for you with season 2. Listen to deliver at your service starting Friday 23rd of September on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to behind the ********. We're eating fruit, leather and other in my mouth. It's all good. Whatever kind of leather you have to put in your mouth to hear the rest of the story is fine. It's a rough one. So, yeah, there's some gin. Paul Manafort. God, that would be the right drink because gin is terrible and this is a terrible story. Absolutely. Yeah. You nailed. It's like a wood peg to chew on and gin to drink. Yeah. I want to feel like a juniper Berry is ******* me in the mouth. It's time for gin. I always want to feel like that. Yeah. OK. So we just. Talked about how Black, Manafort and Stone, Paul Manafort's lobbying firm, had sort of invented the idea of just funding both sides of an election and not really caring who wins because you can sell, you know, corporate access to them either way. So the Atlantic around this time in the early 80s quoted a congressional staffer who joked, why have primaries for the nomination? Why not just have the candidates go over to Black, Manafort and Stone and argue it out? So that's sort of the attitude in the Beltway about these people. And Manafort was very much into that attitude. He filled out a questionnaire for The Washington Times. Somewhere around this this. And he stated that Machiavelli was the person he most wanted to meet, which is like. OK, dude, what? OK dude. So things started getting very busy for Paul Manafort in the mid 1980s. He's revolutionizing the way Washington works. His first daughter, Andrea, was conceived in between conference calls. She later wrote that he, quote hung up. Do you know that this is what his daughter said? His doubt. Does she know that? That's. I don't know how. I'm just, I'm guessing that's what Paul Manafort told her. Yeah, right, exactly. I mean, I don't know. It's pretty ridiculous for me to call ******** on any of these facts at this point. But that one's just like. It doesn't even have good light, she said he quote hung up the phone, looked at his watch and said, OK, we have 20 minutes until the next one, meaning the next conference call. So she's not painting a good picture of her dad here, but we'll we'll hear more from Andrea later, especially knowing that he told her that whether it's true or not, he was like, how old was she when he told her this is clearly the story he wanted her to know, yes. Yeah. And it's he wanted her to be vicious and ******* evil when she grew up too. Yeah, it worked out. So Paul and his fellow partners started taking. Big fat 450,000 a year on up paychecks, which back then was like $1,000,000 a year. The company was also full of money, so they started throwing massive yearly parties, golf parties, which got rowdy enough that they were apparently kicked out of every venue they booked. They never got to use the same venue 2 years in a row. Yeah, one former employee and good friend of Paul Manafort is quoted in the Atlantic as saying this. A couple of women in the firm complained that they weren't ever invited. I told them they didn't want to be. So that's not gross at all. Yeah, so *** **** it, these people are just garbage. Paul Manafort ran the company social committee. It was his job to arrange these **** drenched golf parties and also to pick themes for their yearly gathering during one three-year period. The themes were excess, exceed, excess, and excess is best. These are lovely people. Manafort mean creative? Yeah. Yeah. Super creative. No. And you can just say Caligula. Yeah. Right, that would be more creative. Creative? Yeah, you could be ******* pouring wine down your faces and having slaves peel you grapes, but now we just go with ******* Gordon Gecko. ********. Straightforward. Wow. So Manafort's demanded a loyalty test for employees hoping to make partner, but they were lame loyalty tests. Like, you hear loyalty test and you expect him to be, like, cutting people and stuff and planning them. But no, he would just like he had one guy entertain his friends from law school for several hours when he didn't want to deal with them. He gave two guys a day to find. Billy Barty impersonator for Saint Patrick's Day, so it'd be like **** **** like that. Well, that's a little better than what you would think. You know, at this point I just, I take points away from him for not leaning into being a monster. I mean, yeah, if you're already ruining. Thousands of people's lives. Yeah, you might as well like demand a kidney from someone who wants to make partners just so you have an extra kit. What, he's just lame. Over on the global stage during the Carter administration, the US has started supporting some nice boys in Afghanistan called the Mujahadeen. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, liked this Carter era gun running operation and suggested it be expanded into at least nine other countries. So when President Reagan was elected, the Reagan doctrine wound up being exactly what the Heritage Foundation had suggested, sending arms and advisors to aid anti communist. Forces around the world. The goal essentially was to bleed the USSR white by engaging them in a bunch of Vietnam style conflicts. And we would just give guns to whoever was against the Communists, even if they were, you know, dictators or murder squads or whatever. We supported people like the Nicaraguan Contras and the camera People's National Liberation Front in Cambodia. So strong men, rebel leaders and dictators the world over suddenly realized that if they could charm the Reagan administration, they could win a **** load of guns and money. But to get those guns and money they'd need lawyers. Enter Manafort, Black and stone. Or black? Manafort and Stone as the actual name. But, you know, who cares? **** him. Yeah. So Paul Manafort particularly developed an expertise for helping these people. His first big fish was the president of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos. Now I say president, but I mean dictator. Amnesty International estimates Marcos tortured more than 34,000 people and had 3240 political opponents killed, which was bad in the 80s and now sounds like, like almost a nice guy. I know it just by the our standards of of tyrants at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what did he do anything good? No, I mean, he embezzled $10 billion of the country's wealth to his own pockets. It is also funny that we're hearing you're telling me a story of one man, and that story just lightly involves other sort of, I don't even know. The word's tale is a gentle, caressing hand in the faces of like, half a dozen different terrible people, right? Yeah, a lot more because we could do a whole episode on Roger Stone because he's a real ***** ** ****. I feel like you could do 10 and there's there's an episode. There's you could do an episode. ******* Ferdinand Marcos, because he's a real piece. All of these, he he exclusively works with pieces of ****. That's that's Paul Manafort brand. He's single. He's about to be because he's in ******* jail, right? And we'll actually die there. We'll get there. He starts working for Ferdinand Marcos, who had again tortured 34,000 people by this point. And all of that murdering and torture was bad PR. Ferdinand set aside something like $57 million for Ronald Reagan's 1980 and 1984 campaigns. He didn't actually pay all that money to Reagan. Because it's illegal for foreign powers to directly donate to US political candidates. But Marcos did give Paul Manafort's company a whole lot of money, at least $950,000 a year and possibly much, much more. Manafort's job was to improve the image of the Marcos regime, especially among the Reagan administration. That shouldn't have been a hard job. The first couple the Reagans had met the Marcoses in the late 60s and become good friends. Ronald Reagan had danced with Imelda Marcos. Nancy Reagan may have received an illegal emerald necklace as a gift from him, but by the mid 1980s? Marcos was just killing way too many people to receive open support from his old friends, the president and the First Lady. Now, we don't actually know how or if that earmarked $57 million was spent. There are rumors that Paul Manafort himself was handed at least $10 million of it, some of it in cash, in a briefcase like given to him by what, $57 million? So Marcos had set aside, we know that he set aside $57 million to help the Reagans, and hopefully he didn't give that directly to them. And we don't know how much of that money was actually spent. There is a rumor. That at least 10 million of it wound up in Paul Manafort's hands. That Imelda Marcos just walked it over to him in briefcases filled with cash. But we don't know because none of it was reported. Manafort denies that he spent any of this money, that he received it, that he that he spent. Manafort denies that he received any money that he didn't report to the government. But as we will see in the rest of the story, he has a history of not reporting all the money he gets from dictators to the government. So the rumor is that he was given at least $10 million by the Marcos regime personally. As a bribe. And we know that one of the guys Reagan sent over to tell Marcos when he finally had to like, leave because the rebels were at the gates, one of the guys the US sent over to like, give him this information Marcos kept saying to him, but I, you know, I paid $10 million to Ronald Reagan's campaign. How am I not getting help right now? And he didn't know this guy, didn't know he was talking about because there was no record of that, right? What it is is he he gave $10 million to Paul Manafort, who just walked the **** away with it. Wow. Which is a thing that. Yeah, manafort. Because that's totally fiction and that he did everything by the book. But we'll read the rest of the story and you can tell me how much you believe that Paul Manafort didn't just steal $10 million from a dictator, right? Well, that's the thing with these people, right? I've, I've actually, I'm sorry. I don't mean to derail you entirely. No, it's all good when you really think about people like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort and Donald Trump, people who just **** with the world. They do **** jobs. They. Yeah. Right. That's what they do, I think. They come from such a unique perspective on life, whereas I feel like even though people do awful things all the time, are rude to each other, disrespectful to each other, we've all messed up and we've all bullied and been bullied and all that stuff. I think a great many people are trying to do the right thing, but I think these in order to be like that, you literally have to think like, man, life would be fun. If I didn't care about anyone else's pain at all. It would be super fun. And I really think that's what it is. And I know that shouldn't be shocking to me. It shouldn't be that weird to me that people think that way. But I. Can't accept it. But I really think that they look at the world as an amusement park in which they get to do whatever they want and they don't care about their legacy at all. They just think, like, man, if I could have the most sex and a bunch of money and my whole life could be an adventure, even if millions of people die, then that would be pretty fun. You only live once, right? And I think your big part, right? I think Roger Stone is that kind of guy, which is why he's very carefully picked the jobs he's picked. Paul Manafort wanted a legacy and wanted power, and that will wind up being his downfall. Later in the story. Interesting. And he wasn't happy, just enjoying Life OK, so, but I'm getting ahead of myself here. So Politico looked deeper into the story of Marcos or of a Manafort receiving $10 million from Marcos after Manafort started working for Trump. And they found a lot of information that had never been made public because nobody back then had cared what some shady guy with connections to Reagan did in the Philippines. I'm going to quote Politico here. Manafort and his associates advised the couple on electoral strategy. The Marcos is on electoral strategy. And in Washington, where they work to retain goodwill by tamping down concerns about the Marcos regime's human rights record, theft of public resources, and ultimately their perpetration of a massive vote rigging effort to try and stay in power in the Philippines 1986 presidential election. So Manafort became so well known in the Philippines as the guy who was essentially lying to the rest of the world about what was going on in their country. Corazon Aquino, the woman who ran against Marcos in that election, actually brought up Paul Manafort a lot during her campaign. Teddy Locsin, a Filipino journalist, said, quote, Manafort's name was like Voldemort today, so he he made the Harry Potter can. I'm not a guy for making Harry Potter connections to politics, but he did. But he ******* did. So that 1986 election was a snap election, and I think it was Manafort's advice to Marcos that he hold a snap election. And the goal was people say, I'm not a Democratic leader. So if I hold an immediate election right now, you know, is that what a snap election is? It happens out of nowhere. It happens out of nowhere. And it's just so he can prove that he's the man that people want in charge. And they were hoping to just rig the election and and coast on it, Manafort said at the time about this snap election. What we've tried to do is make it more of a Chicago style election and not Mexico's. And back then saying something was a Chicago style election meant that it involved blatant voter fraud, which it did. Yeah. So after the snap election, the Marcos regime claims victory that they solidly won the election. International observers say no, like this is clearly fraudulent and here is a ****. Out of evidence. And it leads to like a gigantic 3 week standoff between Marcos, his opponent, and the whole country. A standoff in what way? Like an armed standoff. Like rebels taking to the around his palace or whatever. Like the like the stereotypical the the rebels are at the gates of the palace, shaking on the gates and like guns like that happens and Marcos has to like depart the country with his wife. They wind up in Hawaii with one of Paul Manafort's employees, like flies out with them. And yeah, so just helping them. Set up in their new life, remind me real quick what the investment for Paul Manafort in the Philippines and the Marcos government just give him **** load of money. That's that's 100% of it. They're giving him a **** load of money he's received on paper at least $1,000,000 a year from them, which is more like 2,000,000 a year in our modern. Right. And he has almost certainly received at least $10 million in straight up cash for him, not for his company. Yeah. So this is good business for him. So yeah, 1986 was a busy year for Paul Manafort. In addition to everything he was doing with the Marcoses, he also did a lot of work for a client named Jonas Savimbi, a former Maoist warlord who had become an anti communist warlord. His army kind of sword absolutely turned women into sex slaves and murdered children. So you can see why he needed the PR genius of Paul Manafort to refurbish his image. He's working with this guy the same year he's working with ******* Ferdinand Marcos. Yeah, so Manafort had Savimbi make a pilgrimage to New York. DC to charm journalists and politicians with the hope of getting aid from the US government in the form of a **** load of weapons. To continue perpetrating his war, he had Savimbi wear an expensive suit and right around in a stretch limo from fancy hotel to fancy hotel. Here's how a Time magazine article from 1986, the Slickest Shop in town, which is what they called Manafort's firm, described the Charm Tour. When Savimbi came to Washington last month to seek support for his guerrilla organization in its struggle against the Marxist regime in Angola, he hired Black Manafort. When the what the firm achieved was quickly dubbed Savimbi, Shic doors swung open all over town for the guerrilla leader who was dapperly attired in a Nehru suit and ferried about in a stretched limousine. Dole had shown Bob Dole had shown only general interest in Savimbi's cause until black, the Senate Majority Leader's former aide, approached him on his clients behalf. Dole promptly introduced to congressional resolution. Backing UNITA, that was his his organization's insurgency, and sent a letter to the State Department urging that the US supply it with heavy arms. The firm's fee for such services was reportedly $600,000, which is a bargain. So yeah, all this $400,000 that comes from where this terrorist warlord wow, give them 600 grand and they get him in touch with the halls of power, who then send him missile launchers and **** and Bob Dole at the time was a Senate Majority Leader. And then how did so all that happened was that. Black was his aide, and he walked in. He was like, hey, would you do this? And he just did it. Yeah. Yeah. That's why. That's what you're paying for when you pay for Manafort. Black and stone, they have connections in Congress. And so if you're a warlord and you give them a **** load of money, they will make you look good. They'll advise you how to talk in order to be acceptable to DC and then they'll go to their friends who were in Congress, who they helped get elected and be like, this guy needs a **** load of guns. And we got plenty of guns. Why don't we give him some? And I'm realizing I'm super naive. I'm just like, why would they do that mean thing to being? Because they don't care. Yeah, they just. And you're like money, man. And I'm like, what? Well, OK, you're disturbed. All of this was disturbing to people at the time because it was very new at this time. Paul Manafort assured everyone who was disturbed that his firm was, quote, loyal to the president and added we would never lobby against Star Wars, for example. He's such a ***** ** ****. Paul Manafort also assured everyone that Black, Manafort and Stone did turn down some jobs, like a possibly lucrative account with Moammar Gadhafi. So they won't work with everybody. Wow, Gaddafi. Yeah. I mean, everybody has their limit. Now the lobby. They worked with Hitler? No, that was Ivy. That was Ivy Lee. Well, that was far too young to work with Hitler. Either way, they worked with. In 3400%, Paul Manafort would have been loving Hitler. They worked with Ivy League. Yeah. Pretty rough. Yeah. So the lobbying work with Savimbi, a warlord, also meant that Manafort has company now, had a vested interest in keeping the war in Angola going because they keep getting money as long as they keep saying guns, everything guns, right? And by the end of the 1980s, the country seemed close to peace, especially since the Soviets had stopped giving aid to Angola's communist government. So the side should have been able to work something out. USSR stopped aiding the communists in Angola. We stop aiding the insurgents. Then they had to work out. So we want to keep the war going. Well, Paul Manafort wanted to keep the war going, and he was able to guarantee additional shipments of weaponry, which allowed the war to continue into the late 1990s. By the late 90s, more than 200 people per day were dying in the fighting. And it's possible that the extension of the war that he's partly responsible for killed hundreds of thousands. Holy ****. Yeah, he's a real ***** ** ****. And, you know, I have to think that a man like Paul Manafort has never enjoyed. The cheesy crunch of a Nacho Dorito because I think that a guy like Paul Manafort probably subsists entirely on fancy caviars and and $400.00 cheeses. He doesn't enjoy common pleasures like the Doritos. True, there's no caviar flavored dorito. There's not because they're an honest working man snack. And for some other honest products that may or may not be angled towards working men, but definitely support this podcast. Here are some ads. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. 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And now we're getting into the rest of his career. Yeah, I think the best summary of what his firm was doing at this time was actually by his business partner Roger Stone. He gave it last year or two in 2016 and Ken Rudin's Political Junkie podcast, so, which I don't think is a gigantic podcast, but he said of this era, Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly lined up most of the dictators in the world that we could find Pro Western dictators. Of course, dictators are in the eye of the beholder. You're saying dictator? Yeah. No, he's completely admitting it. And in 2015? Well, yeah, I mean, that dude is a complete sociopath. Yeah, he is 100% soulless. It's weird too, though. I mean, he's the only sociopath I'm aware of that is aware. He's a sociopath and acts on it like knows what sociopathy is and how it can be advantageous and craziness. So we maybe isn't a sociopath. He's. He's actively bad. Yeah, I almost. I almost. I hate him less than most of the terrible people today. Just because he never seen he there. Seems to. I don't think there's any doubt in his head that he's making the world worse. Right. I just don't like hairs. And it's just OK, well, you just need to be stopped somehow. Hopefully by just being ostracized politically and some glorious day in the future. Other people who pretend to be good, I guess, are who we have to go after first. I don't know. I don't know what you do with Roger Stone. So over the course of the 1980s. Known in black of, you know, Black, Manafort and Stone got even deeper into Republican Party politics. Paul Manafort, though, did a little bit started doing a lot less work in the US and fell in love with working for shady foreign oligarchs. He did continue to do some work in the United States. He was the deputy convention manager for George HW Bush's Republican convention. It was at that convention in New Orleans where Paul Manafort and Donald Trump first met. This is in 1988. Here's how Slate described the encounter. Trump was in town. I'm curious to see how a convention was really run. Manafort thought it'd be neat to get his picture with the Donald. The two convened in a trailer outside of the Louisiana Superdome during a steamy weekday for a friendly chitchat. This friendly chitchat would eventually lead to a decades long personal and professional relationship between the two men. For now, Manafort was by far the political senior of the two. He hadn't just succeeded in politics, he'd helped change the game entirely. See, in 1967, as I said, there were 64 registered lobbyists in the entire United States due to the lobbying. Room that Paul helped ignite. By 1990, there were more than 10,000 registered lobbyists in the United States. That's Paul Manafort's doing. In large part, that's crazy. Yeah. So by 1992, people with actual souls had started to take notice of Paul Manafort's work. The Center for Public Integrity published a report on foreign influence peddling called the torturers lobby. They called it this because the people Manafort and his colleagues represented were guilty of torturing hundreds of thousands of people. The report noted that quote both Kenya and Nigeria, who were clients of manna forts have widely criticized human rights records. Last year, Kenya received 38 million in US foreign aid and spent over 1.4 million on Washington lobbyists to get it. Nigeria received 8.3 million in expanded in excess of two and a half million. Whom did both countries call upon to do their bidding for the US government? Why? It was Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly. They added a Kelly at this point, yeah, Macau Matua from Harvard Law Schools human rights. Program stated of this quote it's morally objectionable. All this influence peddling, there's no doubt several of these countries couldn't afford these lobbyists without the help of American taxpayers. In other words, the aid that these dictators received subsidized their ability to afford Paul Manafort and his fellow travelers. We'd say that again. So they would get 8 or $10 million in aid from the US and then they pay a million or two to Paul Manafort. So he was, he was getting the US government to pay these guys and the Guinea afford to pay him because they were getting so much aid from the US, right? Yeah. That doesn't seem like it should be doable. It doesn't. It seems like the kind of thing that a sane and ethical society would say no. But yeah, at some point, at the very least, we never did. So, yeah, I'm gonna quote from that report, the torturers lobby. Again, a spokeswoman for Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly told the center that the firm does not quote attempt to explain away concerns about human rights. Instead, she said we try to open a dialogue. So that's nice conversation. About torturing, which they need more money to do more of. Well, you got to be civil. Yeah, it's heard that somewhere recently. Civility is critical. It's the most important thing. Even better who you're talking to you. You couldn't call a guy like Paul Manafort like a **** drenched *** nozzle because that's not civil. No, he does not serve to be treated that way, even though he's enabled the deaths of hundreds of thousands. I mean, yeah, that's crazy. This person like committed genocide sort of. So yeah, he definitely committed world class human rights violations and culpable. Anyway, in 1992 Spy Magazine wrote an article on all this with the wonderful title publicists of the Damned, which is solid titling 1992 spy they didn't talk to Paul Manafort, but they interviewed his friend and colleague John Donaldson. I think Donaldson's interview helps explain how these ******* justified their ******* to themselves. They didn't talk to Paul Manafort, but they interviewed his friend and colleague John Donaldson. I think Donaldson's interview helps explain how these ******* justify their ******* to themselves. Quote When a friendly congressional aide. Donaldson aside to express his misgivings about the Black Manafort clients Kenya and Somalia saying, John, these guys are real bad, Donaldson responded. Yeah, I know, but we're really trying to persuade them to clean up their act. Yeah, well, good for him, good for him and I think things are going well in Somalia these days. I haven't checked up on them since the early 90s, but I know, yeah, it seems like a country that's just straight, straight rocket ship 90. Yeah, no, everything's been good there since the early 90s. Definitely seems like it seems like it. Yes. So most of that article, the Spy magazine article, focused around a different firm, Van Kloberg and Associates, who are the PR dudes for Saddam Hussein. But spy recognized and gave credit to Paul Manafort's company for starting this industry and dominating it. They ranked all of the influence peddlers in terms of the amount of bloody hands and Manafort. Black one. Yeah. #1 on hands Rating, which is the right way to rate this industry. Absolutely. Wait, that was it was an American? Our firm that these are all supported. Share bus this is. I can't even handle it, man. I don't. I guess I knew. I knew it was this level of corruption, but wow. OK. It's unspeakable, right? I think I'm going to need more fruit leather pretty soon. Yeah. Fruit leather and Doritos will help. Will help cleanse our moral palates. Yeah. So in the early 90s, Paul Manafort was a busy guy, as we've just gotten through talking about. But he was not too busy to help out a friend in need. A friend like his buddy Donald J Trump in 1993. Mr Trump came to Paul Manafort with a problem. Pequot Indians had opened up a casino that was apparently taking business away from Trump's casinos in Atlantic City. Now, it's hard to say what exact advice Manafort gave Mr Trump, but Trump wound up testifying in front of the house Native American Affairs Subcommittee, and he said, among other things, those don't look like Indians to me. What? Oh yes. And so his argument was he was trying to convince them they're not Native American. That's where he started. He was asked. What were they have been? People with like toner on Native American face, he was that's crazy what an Indian looked like in Congress. And he responded, you know, you know. He also insinuated the mob was heavily involved with these Indian casinos without any evidence. He claimed that Indian gaming had been, quote, a total disaster for Connecticut man. The origin of the phrase that total disaster. I feel bound by honor to read you this excerpt from a Hartford Courant article about his testimony. When it was finally Trump's turn, he discarded the seven page statement he was going to read. I had a long and boring speech, he told the panel. It was politically correct and something that would have gotten me into no trouble whatsoever. With that, he offered off the cuff remarks about some of the things bugging him lately, such as the mob. Forget the Justice Department shrug. Organized crime is rampant. People know it, people talk about it, Trump insisted. I wonder what J Edgar Hoover would have said about this. Now, Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat from Hawaii, wound up getting in the last word in that Hartford Courant article, and his speaking on that in 1993 inadvertently provides the best summary of modern politics I've ever heard. Free speech reigns, no matter how idiotic. Wow. Yeah, he really nailed 2018. Totally. So other coverage by Hartford current at the time revealed that by this point Trump had been retaining the services of Black, Manafort and Stone for years for their advice on, quote, housing matters. When he was asked why he needed Mr Manafort services, Trump laughed. I don't know if this lobbying does anything, but they've represented me over the years and I'm very loyal because if we know one thing about Donald Trump, Trump, he's crazy left turn. It's weird because he he seems so maniacal and so self important that you forget. That he's really like, socially incredibly smart. Yeah. Donald Trump. Yeah. He's he's dumb at so many things that you forget that he's a genius in one thing, right? Absolutely. Which is the most dangerous. There's nothing as dangerous as an idiot with a trick up his sleeve. I also wonder how dumb he is. I wonder how much of it actually is calculated, even like tweeting of like, covfefe, you know how on purpose that was? Yeah, it's it's. I've just stopped paying attention to any anything funny. It doesn't even really matter. Like, we shouldn't be. Laughing at him now. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the **** he does. Yeah, like he yeah. Anyway, right. This is not the Donald Trump episode, although did he inevitably comes this subcommittee that those are, those people were not Native Americans, OK? No. No one had to listen to Donald Trump yet. So this was still that beautiful. Where you could just ignore him. They just call him dumb and move on. They they called him dumb and racist, like the people he was ever Crombie. Yeah, they they were like, this was really racist testimony. He said. They're not they don't look like. It's crazy. It's insanity. So during the 1990s, Paul began a friendship with another guy too, an arms dealer named Abdul Rahman Al Assir, who paid him like 90 grand in 1994 to help broker a deal with the French politician to help Pakistan make submarines. It didn't end well and like 11 people were murdered. But Paul Manafort still got paid, according to the Atlantic LSE was something of a bad influence on Paul Manafort, they quoted one of his friends as saying. Paul became aware of the difference between making 300,000 and five million. He discovered the South of France Elisir would show him how to live that life. So wow, Paul is now hanging out with like a ******* arms merchant, multi millionaire, if not billionaire. And he realizes that, like, his just millionaire lifestyle is small not enough. Yeah, style is small. Not enough. Yeah. So Paul starts spending less and less time at the office and more time jet setting around with. Last year he also started spending money like he was worried it might evaporate when his daughter Andrea decided she wanted a horsey. Paul Manafort bought a farm in Palm Beach and filled it with purebred Irish horses. He also hired a full staff. Take care of them. In 1981, his firm gets bought by another company and he makes a bunch of money and he leaves in in 1995 in order to set up another lobbying firm, firm of his own, more focused on overseas dealings. He leaves Black, Manafort and stone. Yeah, it gets bought. And he he leaves after a couple of years, but he he keeps he starts a couple of different firms, all doing the same thing. Yeah, his life isn't all fun and games. His wife was injured in a horrible horseback riding accident in 1997, and by all accounts, he was very devoted to her while she healed. So that's OK. Nice thing. Yeah. One way he seemed to deal with his stress was by buying houses, often sight unseen. He just decided I want a new house. And boom, as Johnny Depp's example proves, this kind of lifestyle is not sustainable without regular injections of cash. And since working with dictators wasn't always enough to make the bills, Paul decided to get it on a great scam opportunity with his arms dealer Buddy Elisir. Here's the Atlantic quote. In 2002, he and Manafort persuaded the bank to invest €57 million in a Puerto Rican biometrics company. According to reporting by the Portuguese newspaper Observador, Manafort was the lead American investor in the company. His involvement helped justify the banks investment despite evidence of the company's faulty products and lacks accounting. Elisir is alleged to have extracted bloated commissions from the deal and to have pocketed some of the bank's loans. Manafort reportedly made one and a half $1,000,000 selling his shares of the biometrics firm before the company eventually came tumbling down. So he's just fine ******* over everybody. Damn. Yeah. So yeah, by 2005, Paul Manafort is known as. The guy if you were a shady dictator or criminal looking to improve your image abroad and maybe get in the good graces of U.S. politicians. This led him to Ukraine and the employ of its wealthiest citizen, a steel billionaire named Rinat Akhmetov. According to PolitiFact, Manafort advised one of Akhmetov companies on corporate communication strategy. But it turned out Akhmetov was a friend of this guy, Victor Yanukovich, who was really in a bit of a pickle. Now Victor was the Prime Minister of Ukraine and a buddy of the Putin regime. He wanted to move Ukraine. Closer in the geopolitical sense to Russia. But most Ukrainians, particularly in the western part of the country, did not want this. They hope to eventually become part of the EU. It was a big issue for the country, and it came up front and center in the 2005 election when Victor Yanukovich went up against Victor Lukashenko, who was Pro W Lukashenko was horribly poisoned with dioxin during the campaign, and Yanukovich was declared the winner. People thought this was shady, and they took to the yeah. To protest, the Supreme Court ordered a revote, which is apparently an option in some countries. And yeah, they they held a revote 2 weeks later. So this guy Yanukovich calls Paul Manafort 2 weeks before the new vote and asked him to help save his ailing presidential campaign, which is very unpopular since he poisoned that guy, had to have been him. Oh yeah, sure. I mean, ******* know. Like, of course I don't know why people don't like me. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Manafort being an honest guy told him that there wasn't much he could do at this late hour. And you knew Kovich did lose, but he wound up hiring Manafort shortly thereafter. The two worked together for nearly a decade. On paper, Manafort was an advisor to Yanukovich's party. In reality, he was also helping revamp Yanukovich himself. Here's the Washington Post quote. Manafort and half a dozen businessmen, lawyers and political analysts involved in Ukraine at the time brought discipline and focus that the Yanukovich LED campaigns had lacked. He got Yanukovich to comb his hair better, to stay on message during public appearances. He drilled them on talking points and told them what suits to wear. He tried to control everything. A former member of Yanukovich's party. They called how people who represented the party would be dressed, the words they said their makeup and stylists, every small detail. And it's it's one of those things. People at the time will say, he just advised you, Yanukovich, to dress like himself and comb his hair. Really? Paul Manafort did because they were kind of the same size and Manafort was like, just be more like me and you'll win the election. Wow. Did it work well? It's getting a little bit ahead of us. Yeah. And two sorry, I I know you're the one with the spoiler, yet totally did. But it took a while. In 2005, Manafort decided he needed some side action while he was starting up work with this Yanukovich guy. So he went to a Russian billionaire named Oleg Deripaska with an offer. If Oleg would put up a **** load of money, Paul would put together a program to, according to the AP quote, Influence Politics, business dealings, and news coverage inside the United States, Europe, and former Soviet republics. Benefit President Vladimir Putin's government? So Deripaska says he didn't wind up going through with this idea. And maybe it's true. In any case, that's where Paul Manafort's head was at in 2005, a visa. Vladimir Putin totally happy to peddle influence to the guide to the West. So yeah, Paul Manafort spent the early aughts using his American political know how to shape Victor Yanukovich into the kind of guy who could win an election. Apparently, Paul's a strategy was yet to make Yanukovich looking dressed exactly like him. Manafort also advised Yanukovich's party, the Party of Regions, to focus on one single theme. Every week, rather than come to grips with the opposition over a bunch of different issues, just always say focus on one thing that week. You know, you don't ignore anything else and just, yeah, shout about that. I forget because there's so much death in in these stories that he's giving them political advice that seems to be working. Yeah. He's advising him to act like American politicians in a country that doesn't have a long history of democracy. Sure. Be manipulative. Yeah. And so he's just like, yeah, just say one thing a bunch, huh? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Now we're going to get into a lot more about Manafort's work in Ukraine and and how that all ended in blood and fire and horrible death, as well as the the rest of the Paul Manafort story. But that is going to have to come in another couple of days because this is the end of part one of our Paul Manafort podcast. Oh, wow. So we'll get back into it on Thursday. You can hear the conclusion of this thrilling story. Until then, do you want to plug some plegables for the people? Oh, sure. I'm at Dave. To the Ross on everything. That's DAV ETOTHEROS, Twitter and Instagram. And it's my website. And also listen to my podcast suicide buddies. Suicide buddies. I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at I write. OK, just two letters. You can find this podcast at at ******** Pod on Twitter. 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