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When you're thinking about a day where a really ****** ** thing happened, but that's actually untrue, there is one wrong thing to do and we're going to talk about the wrong thing today. Because most people, I think, think back to the day after 911 as oh everybody, was like out of their minds with like grief and fear and saying some really ****** ** **** and generating a kind of fury that acted as propulsion and justification for a lot of very, very bad things. And is not in general a time that we should look back on with particular pride or or certainly. What's the word I'm looking for here? Nostalgia everyone, that is, except for Glenn Beck. Now, James, we've got James Stout here. Chris. Hey, Chris, what do you what do you all know about Glenn Beck? Because, James, you are. This is controversial to say, but I think we should rip the Band-Aid off British. Chris, you're very young, so I'm wondering how much do you know about Mr Beck? He was like the my memory of him, he was kind of like the. Well, I don't know. Ur is not quite the right word, but he was like. He he he was like like the guy in sort of like right wing ******** like punditry for a while. My number he, he he was like, he was like a slightly more put together Alex Jones. Like, he had like the weird pinboards and **** and like, yeah. Is is this the right guy? Yeah, he's Alex Jones with a budget in terms of kind of the space he fills. Yeah. James, did you know? Did you catch much of him? No. So my engagement with Glenn Beck is mostly through, like, teaching American history classes and trying to explain, like, the explosion in lies and ******** and hate that immediately follows 911. Yeah. And so, yeah, no, I've never really heard his stuff. Yeah. Glenn Beck. He's. He's doing radio **** and stuff before 911. By the time he actually comes on the scene, it's a few years after 911 and he gets a show on Fox News and Glenn is, you know, I watched him every night. My parents always watched him. My dad considered him to be like a really good historian, which is bleak a lot. But he was, he was, he was a unique sounding figure. So when Glenn Beck comes onto the stage right, the biggest dude in right wing Media is still Rush Limbaugh. But Rush is has kind of taken a back seat in the last couple of years, especially right after 911 to guys like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, you know, and those are kind, they are kind of like they are powerhouses and right wing media and then you've got, well, those guys are on TV. You've got this cast of people who are like bargain basement discount, Rush Limbaugh on the radio that are all kind of waiting in the wings for their chance to be the next big TV hero. And those guys include people like. Umm. Like Glenn Beck and also folks like Michael Savage. Umm, there's a couple of a lot of maniacs that you probably have not heard of that we don't need to dredge up. But Glenn Beck kind of sails out of the fever swamps of the right wing media and gets a ******* TV show on Fox News and in very short order he is the biggest ******* thing on the network. Fox News is the most popular network in the country and Glenn Beck is their number one host in 2009. He's pulling in something like 3,000,000 viewers a night. And yeah, he's he's he's very, very influential. And this is the point in time in 2009, by the way, the other thing that's happened that's big in right wing media circles is Barack Obama has been elected president. Yeah, yeah, now. You've got birtherism happening. But in general, I think one good way to think about it is that 911 supercharges the right. But in a very, like, populist way in a because there's this expectation, like we talked about in the last episode, this expectation that people are coming back to God because there's been a big disaster. We're going to war, and war always benefits, you know, the Conservatives and the and the, you know, the party, like, we're gonna win this war, and that's going to be huge for us. And you also have, like, just this, this sense because Bush becomes the most popular. President, anyone can remember having that? The the tide of history is with conservatism, you know, in the immediate wake of 911. And then that all goes to **** because conservatives have terrible ideas for everything. Yeah. And they launched 2 disastrous wars. And by 2009, there's not a lot of people who are going to, like, admit in public. No, I think they're both. Those wars were good ideas that were handled well, right? But, you know, even the people who were who were real bullish about that stuff are like, well, you know, they they didn't do this right or that right or it's impossible to win in that part of the world. And, you know, it was that's the I I heard different versions of that from from different family members and stuff. But there's this, this real sense of aggrievement and in the wake of Bush, like, it's it's kind of taken for granted because about how disastrous has his presidency had been that he was not, you know, it was not going to be a Republican who won that election. But the fact that it is Barack Obama, a black guy, they lose their ******* minds. I think they've been ready for. I think even they would have been fine with Hillary Clinton. Obviously they would have like gone nuts on her like they did on Bill, but like I think they would have. I don't think that would have caused them to go crazy the way that Obama did. It is, it is not wrong to compare the impact to 911 in a lot of ways because it's this massive shock that shakes the center of their world that they view as an attack, as an assault on like white middle class Americans and the shock waves of that. I mean we're still dealing with them. But one of the things that's that's happening here is that after 911, they had this sense that history is with us, momentum is with us. And after Obama gets elected, you see the conservative movement get much more insular and much more conspiratorial and much more focused on like, grievance and anger and revenge. Because they they know their the nothing's going to bring back the people. So there's, there's kind of nothing but but vengeance, and Beck is the guy who's going to tap. Most effectively into this feeling, this feeling of fear and this need to feel like you're like you were right after 911 when it felt like everything was surging forward in the right direction. And so in 2009 he launches what he calls the we surround them campaign. Now the we in this, I think is supposed to be conservatives and them is the government. But I think you can assume other, you know, if you think about the urban, rural divide in this country, there's another meaning to that sort of thing. Now this this is a series of of segments and specials on Beck show that grew very popular. So popular in fact that a lot of local right wing organizations start hosting viewing parties and this becomes like the earliest stirrings of the Tea Party movement. Right. All of these right wing radio stations and stuff, these local talk radio stations and other organizations are holding viewing parties for to watch Glenn Beck talk about, you know, his do his, we surround them act. And I'm going to play a clip for you now from one of these viewing parties. We're going to play a couple of clips. This is from one filmed by a talk radio station in Fort Wayne, Georgia. And yeah, it's it's it's something else. All right. So I want to, I want to play this for you. I think it's a fascinating artifact. And how the radio host chooses to introduce the event is noteworthy, as is the man's appearance. Yeah. Was 600 sick freaks watching Glenn Beck on Fox News for 912 project. It's amazing. So what? What? It's interesting. Me? I I think it's it's kind of worth going over a couple of things there because that's that doesn't seem like a lot, but the fact that he he describes the guy, the people in there as sick freaks and and and then like we are sick freaks but like kind of taking pride in that. That's what he assumes liberals would call them for. Watching Glenn Beck you can see a shade in this of a lot of liberals because they're dumb. We're taken by surprise when like Hillary Clinton called Trump supporters a basket of deplorables and they immediately adopted that name for themselves. No again you see the stirrings of it here, right? Like this is. This is what the movements turned into. You're taking pride in the fact that you're outnumbered and and despised. Also the 912 project. I'm intrigued. Oh yes, that's that is that is coming. We're we're building to that. So anyway, we get some rocking guitar licks, just just some some of the best preloaded rights free guitar music I've ever heard and then we pan into this very full conference room. There's like 600 ******* people in this thing and they are, as far as I can tell, all white. It is certain that the only people they talk to when they do like because you know, the camera goes around to like get people statements on the event, the only people who are featured on camera. Are white like 100% of them and I'm gonna play a clip from that now. Fort Wayne, I'm. I'm glad you're doing this. I'd like to get our Constitution back. I love you for doing it. We're all behind you. Thank you. Hi, Glenn. We are Jackie and Bill Becker. We're from Angola IN and we would like to thank you that you are helping us. We the people to take back our America thanks. You're the man, Glenn. What you're doing is great for America and you're an encouragement to all of us who are fed up with the federal government. Now there were like, it's impossible. I know I have not seen since I was a child. James. James might die. Yeah, there are a couple of extinct kinds of white guy in that video. The very last of them died to COVID when they cut a hole in the middle of their mask and went to a luby's. It's missed. Now, here's the thing. I want to acknowledge something that is impossible to deny, which is that the fact that we are laughing at them in this way is part of why they got so angry and put Trump in office, right? Part of why liberal tears is a thing, part of why there's so much focus on this desire of hurting the enemy. But also, they just all look like, impossibly American like, like. Like, these are the people I used to see in Barcelona from 100 yards away. People would be like, how do you know in America? And like, my friends would be like, first of all, you've come dressed as a ******* tree. Secondly, look. Look at yourself and this. Look, these are some of the people who raised me are, are not. You know, I grew up around these people. I grew up with these people. I am, I am of these people. I think I wear better shirts, but not. But, but it is like you, you see in this these people who feel like, and that's kind of the thing they're communicating, something has gone wrong with the country and the thing that's gone wrong is they are looking out and people don't look like them. And in fact, people are looking at them like they look weird and people are making fun of their ways and their customs and this has taken them by surprise and they're extremely angry about it. And seeing a black man as president, which is the least, anyone could look like them, right? Barack Obama, many flaws. 2009 there was not many cooler looking dudes than Barack Obama, like, and that is, you have to understand, like the bar is so low here that like a reasonably well dressed person is like dropping a nuclear weapon on like 6 Cavemen. Yeah it is. Yeah, so the show ends with because they're watching Glenn Beck on a ******* projector and it ends with him near tears. He would cry on his show, constantly telling everybody there that they were all going to meet back together in six months to find some ways in which they've managed to to to add some 912 energy to their lives and we'll get to this more. But the thing he's saying is that the day after 911, we were the best version of ourselves as a country. Everyone was so godly and so loving and so united. And that's the thing that we need to get to deal with the horror. Barack Obama being the president and obviously the other thing happening I should. I don't want to be unfair here. It's not just that they're scared about Barack Obama. This is 2009. The economy has just completely shut a ******* brick. The housing market is through the *** **** floor. Some actually scary things are happening too. It's just that they're kind of grafting all of them onto the specter that is Obama, you know? Anyway, yeah. So after this we pan out to widespread applause in this very full room and then we cut to interviews this time. I know everyone's gonna be really excited here. There's a baby. No. It's pretty cute. It's it's pretty it's pretty cute. Baby are the youngest Glenn Beck fan. Look at that. What OHS? This child has my reaction to this because it's so funny. It's so funny. Look at this. Let's get this baby statement. Just shine it, blind it with a light until it weeps. Yeah, that's that's the good stuff. OK, so this this video has paused on a freeze frame of a guy in a suit that they talked to this guy. They call him the best draft. I'll just play it. I will. I will just play. I wasn't planning to play this, but I will play it. Sir. You're the best dress up guy here. Did we have a good time today? Yeah. What did you think of the presentation? I thought it was nice. It was nice to get together with. A lot of people have this great turnout, and I know that so many people still care. No, that guy. OK. That that that exact kind of person was like the political class of like, the tower I grew up in. Like, these are the people who were like, like, this is the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Like the thing, the things they get up to. Where? Like, like there was a guy who was taking money from the Sheriff's Department to try to abolish the police so that he could install the Sheriff's Department as the only law enforcement like division in this town while he tried to sell. Like, oh God, that that that is the kind of person I like. He has. He has strong, strong Republican City Comptroller, energy. Yeah, for for like a for like a town of 13,000 people. Yeah, he's dressed much like Ricky Gervais, dressed in the like the original office. Yeah, dumb. Dumb. He he is literally the guy Ricky Gervais is making fun of. Yes. Yeah, he is. So Beck paired his message of Government Accountability as he framed it with, and this is what we're talking about, the 912 project which follows. We surround them with 9 principles and 12 values, which if followed would help bring your heart back to the mythical 912. This moment in which America was was beautiful. This, this. We've gone from the 50s. Like there's this, there's this 20 year, 1520 year Golden era to like. We had one great day and if we could just get back to that, everything will be fine. So here's here's the 9 value or 9 principles. Sorry. It's 9 principles and 12 values. I want you to hold me accountable if I **** this up in the future. The 9 principles are #1. America is good. #2. I believe in God and he is the center of my life. #3, I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday. #4, the family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. And I say this a lot, but in the Roman Empire. The the father of the family used to be able to execute his wife and children, and you're a fool if you think that's not what these people want things to be like. Well, and they're slaves, too. That's also in a very important and the slaves are a critical aspect of this. Yes, #5, if you break the law, you pay the penalty. Justice is blind, and no one is above it. This is, by the way, confusingly, a reference to all the people who lost their homes in the housing crash. That's what he's talking about. That they didn't. They didn't. You know, you you can't, like, bail people out, #6. I have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But there is no guarantee of equal results. #7. I work hard. For what? Have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable #8. It is not unamerican for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion and #9 the government works for me. I do not answer to them. They answer to me. Now that's fun. There's there's some interesting things there, including the government can't force me to be charitable. You know, I I will. Which like the sight of that. That is something that actually happened on 912 is a bunch of people showed up and volunteered to like. At great personal cost because many of them got sick and died to help pull bodies out of the rubble and try to save people, right. And that that the government literally did not need to tell people to do that because a bunch of cops actually refused to go do anything at all. Yeah Ground Zero and and the like the the government the government knew about like like the when the government do something it was they they put a bunch of firefighters like inside of the range. It was ducks was toxic and then just ******* got them killed. Yeah, which and then spent the next 5 days like. We had to have John ******* Stewart fight for them to get some kind of recompense from the federal government, which, credit where it's due is a legitimately cool thing that he helped do. But like, why did it fall upon the The Daily Show guy to ensure that the guy who is doing transphobic bits at the same time? Yeah, yeah, like it's kind of didn't Ted Cruz vote against healthcare benefits for these people? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Which again, it's very funny that, like, the government can't force me to, to, to, to, to be charitable. It's like. Well, what that actually ends with is people actually volunteering and risking their lives and then the government, the conservatives in the government, callously voting to let them die in agony because, like, well, why should I have to pay? Oh, you did. Was rescue people during our country's darkest hour. Why should I have to pay? Like, it's this. It's amazing. **** now that I'm sure you're curious about those 12 values, they're really boring. Like, it's boy, it's like, Boy Scout ****. It's like honesty, reverence, thrift, courage. Like, you know, it's not worth focusing on. The the thing I've this entire time think I've been thinking about this is the exact naming scheme that like like if if if you just walked up to someone on the street and like asked him what what what are what are the 9 principles and 12 values like this. This sounds exactly like like this sounds exactly like what like a like a a mid level like a mid level Chinese bureaucrat would name their campaign to like make sure that water restoration is done properly. Like it it is the exact naming. Scheme of like, like campaign style stuff and like ******* like post post Melish China. They couldn't. Beck is funny. Yeah, there's a lot to say about that and about Glenn Beck. But, you know, so I got that list of 12 principles from glennbeck.com. What I find interesting is that the principles as are up on his website right now because this is a thing he still gets into every now and again, are somewhat different from the ones that he debuted on the episode of his show in which he introduced the 912 project. And I found the the way he worded point 8.8 is, it's not unamerican for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion. I found the way he actually worded that in the show very interesting and I want to play that for you now because it's it's quite a bit different. Do you agree with this? It's not unamerican for anyone to disagree with my opinion, but my opinion or others opinions may be anti American, anti American rhetoric would be anything that's destructive to the Constitution and our country as the founders understood it. Unless you want to change that. There it is. Yeah, there we go, there we go. That's the real good grievance. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I respect your right to say anything. Unless you're disrespecting the founders, of course. Yeah. Which, which can which in which case I'd, I'd, yeah, like SWAT teams will commence immediately, etcetera, etcetera. We were, we are crediting the lynch mobs now. After introducing those principles, he asks his audience to mail him personal photographs so he can put them together into a big we surround them graphic, which you can find if you really want to. It's yeah, it's if you want to get an idea of like the people who were listening to Glenn Beck. We'll give it to you now. Here's what happens immediately after he gives the e-mail address for people to send this to calm. All right? The climate change people are pulling a page from Nazis. Are your kids learning at school? We really surrounded them. Perfect moment in American television. Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's really incredible, right. It's it's also, it's also things like you couldn't do this anymore. Not because you not not not actually because you can't say that about climate change, but because if you tried to say that about the Hitler youth, people would get mad at you. Oh yeah. No. Yeah. You'll get in trouble. Oh yeah. Yeah. Definitely used defenders will be. They were very, very pro environment. I can hear Tucker Carlson saying that. Yeah, it's it's. I just want to share with everyone that man by #5, by Bob the Builder, hit the UK number one spot on September 12th, 2001. Wow. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? You know what, James? Never forget God. And the queen was still alive then. She must have loved Mambo #5I. Imagine. I bet there was a little bit of Monica by her side. A little bit above the builder and the queen, a little bit of readers. All she needed. OK, get it? Died. Very sad. So the the 912 project as it kind of grew out of the we surround them campaign, if you kind of, I don't know, I found it written online. I can't exactly confirm this, but it seems like it kind of started when Beck took a call on his talk radio show and this is a little bit a couple of years earlier from a guy named Ed in New Haven, CT, who expressed feeling outnumbered as a conservative on the American political stage, right. And that's that's really like what the the all of this kind of grew out of it. This response to the feeling like outnumbered, and I think that's an important thing to understand if you're trying to get to like the thing that the thing that they want to go back to when they talk about wanting to go back to 912 isn't anything to do with the actual terrorist attack. It's the fact that everyone was so frightened that they unthinkingly. That they unthinkingly submitted to the right wing that was in power at the time, right? Yeah, like that it was. That's what 912 is to them. Yeah, like it was it was the last time conservatives were able to like, effectively cancel, like mass cult like they like the only time cancel culture has ever been real was like the Dixie Chicks. And they could just do that. Like if if you if you didn't start all of your concerts, like if like my Miley Cyrus didn't go on stage and like, say something about the troops at the beginning of a concert, like they would just destroy you and you would never be heard from again. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was literally, like, legitimately scary to not be unthinkingly Pro America, and like, wildly so. And and that's what they want to get back to, right is the the fear of actually questioning conservative hegemony. So I want to play a clip from the episode in which Glenn Beck first introduces his 912 project to his audience of 1,000,000 on March 15th, 2009. Here's how. Here's how this introduction goes. 21 back. Hello, America. They're waiting. I'm backstage right now at Fox. I'm getting ready to show you that you are not alone. This this is your country. You're still in control. But it seems today like nobody gets it. Now, that is a fascinatingly blatant statement of white conservative supremacy, right? You. You're in charge, but nobody gets it. They don't understand that you're supposed to be running things right. It's it's it's incredible how blatant it is. But it also, like, you do have to understand he's speaking to this real frustration. This is like where we get Trump is these millions of people are like, why don't they understand that we're supposed to be in charge? The There's there's an incredibly. I don't know if you're gonna get to this, like later. There's the next video on the ******* YouTube. Thing is from vices. Glenn Beck is a conservative and exile after Trump. Ohh yeah, it's like a chat. A little bit about that. At the end, I'll do a whole Glenn Beck episode of behind the ********. But I really, I want to keep digging into this, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna press play again here. You know, you've lived your whole life in a responsible way. You didn't take out a loan that didn't require any kind of per proof of income, yet now you're being forced to bail those people out. You've been concerned about this country through the last administration and this administration. If you're like most people, both administrations, it's not about politics. You actually believe in something, and you thought for a while there your politicians did as well. And now you kind of realize, well, maybe, maybe they don't. When you come home after a hard day at work, all you want to do is put your feet up. All you want to do is just relax and just watch a little television catch up with what's happening in the world. But every time you turn that television on, it just seems like the whole world is spinning out of control. War. Islamic extremism. Europe on the brink, even pirates. Now closer to home, Mexico isn't safe for vacations or our kids anymore. 6000 were killed or beheaded on our border just last year, and Phoenix now has the second highest rate of kidnapping in the world. So there's a lot going on there. But I think the thing that is most fascinating to me is that, like the way he just blatantly is like cartel violence. It's a problem because it's not safe for our kids to vacation in Mexico anymore. Mexico only exists for spring break. Yeah, well, all problems are at their root about Americans, right? Like, that's that's what's going on here. Well, The thing is interesting to me is like he, he, he, he throws into like Europe under siege thing, which was like like one of like the big, like fascist things in like that. Like word for word, Europe under siege. Like fortress Europe. ****. Yeah. This is when Andy Andy knows started his like, no go zone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think so. Right around here, maybe a little bit later, members of my family. They're extremely Caucasian, living in some of those Dogo zones, like I lived in Europe in this. It's it's just so ridiculous. Yeah, and it's it's incoherent. Like if you look at the specifics of everything because he's yelling about the financial crash because he has to be angry with it, because half of his market is terrified in losing money or has have lost jobs and stuff as a result of the crash. But you can't, you can't portray it as a problem of, like, corporations rapaciously destroying and hollowing out the middle class. So instead, the problem is that, like, foreign, there's a line in there about how, like, foreign corporations are just treating Americans like a market, which is like, well, how do Americans treat everything? Like, of course they treat them like a market. It's capitalism. It's not very coherent. But like, what is coherent is this sense of grievance, right, that we have been, we as Americans have been specifically wronged. We're not and and we as when he says Americans, obviously he's only referring to a specific kind of American. But yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to press play. In here, the forgotten man is you. The voice that no one seems to hear just quietly saying enforce the law. Take responsibility for yourself. You can't have it all. And anybody who promised you that was a liar. The current economic downturn, the worst economic crisis, worst month of job loss. But something is happening in America's paradise. It's about to change your friends and neighbors, Republicans, Democrats, independents, they're all beginning to wake up and wonder. How did this happen to us? Hmm. So, yeah, the, the word September 10th, 2001, just hit the screen as soon as he finishes that. But, I mean, what you're seeing in that is like the stirrings of what becomes Trumpism. You know? It's it's very weird. Yeah. And there's just like photos or white people up on the left and right. Yeah, like one of the most hideous, like 2 columns I've ever seen in a video. Yeah, 1 1/2 of each. Yeah. Yeah, it's not done. Well, they're graphic design was science had just simply had simply not advanced to that level yet. Like, I need people to understand this. There are supposed to be 3 lines of pictures scrolling across the screen in the middle of like, cut in the middle. Line is cut in half there. Half of one person's face on each side of the screen. Yeah, it's it's a crime and what they're what's being done here, what Becca is doing here is he's trying to take the anger and like that people still felt about 9:11 and turn it kind of towards in a different direction, right. Because what it actually happened on 9/11 was that a group of terrorists had attacked the literal center of American capitalism and of the American Military industrial complex, right. Those targets were, were, were, were picked specifically because of what they were, the Twin Towers. Contained 110th of all office space in Manhattan. Their largest tenant was Morgan Stanley, which lost over 80% of its market value in the 2008 crash. Worst yet in Becks size, the victims of the attacks are all New Yorkers. Now I don't know, if you're not in the conservative media bubble you may not get it, but like New Yorkers, that was like a slur. Yeah, like, like literally like a slur to call somebody in New York. Yeah, New York values, right? Exactly. So Beck can't focus on the actual victims of 911 because they are people that. It is in his best interest to train his audience to to despise. So instead he focuses on how 911 was basically an act of disrespect against the this forgotten man, right, who's now kind of surging up like, that's what he's doing here, right? That's what you have to do if you're Glenn Beck. Because, again, you can't actually focus on the real victims of this, which is why it's not incoherent ideologically for conservatives to talk the way they do about 9:12 and then vote not to help people who were first responders. And had their ******* lungs filled with poison. Yeah, it's good stuff. So obviously, because Beck has to thread this needle, he focuses instead on how the attack hit American prestige and confidence. I remember how picture perfect the day was. I wasn't. A cloud in the sky in America seemed invincible. And yet, in the blink of an eye, that airplane appeared to hit a little bit down the building around the 50th or 60th floor. Again, it struck flush. Skies were filled with black clouds and our hearts were full of terror and fear. Absolute disaster. We realized for the first time how fragile we really were. Something happened. So now it's September 12th, and the first image we see after disaster and destruction is a group of firefighters holding a gigantic American flag with roughly the footprint of a school bus. Right. And this is this is good, right? This is. And also, it's a, it's interesting that this is what he chooses. It's like the image of America, like, rebounding from this great defeat as opposed to, like, I don't know, firefighters pulling people out of the rubble and saving their lives. Like, no, they got a big flag. That's how you know we're going to be OK. That's good. Yeah. It makes sense though, right? Like like the the the actual lives are unimportant. The thing that's important to save is the image of if the image of America. Yeah, it's the flag. Yeah, the similarity is also on the ground, so yeah, well, look, flag code, flag code is for us to continue here. We promised ourselves that we would never forget. On September 12th, and for a short time after that, we really promised ourselves that we would focus on the things that were important, our family and friends, the eternal principles that allowed America to become the world's beacon of freedom. I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you and the people. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. Now, I want to point out here the, the choice of that clip, it's both because that was a very famous speech that Bush gave that really made his presidency in and or at least the early part of it a lot of ways. You could argue that a significant amount of the, the kind of the political capital that he expended invading Iraq came from this particular speech and generally how he handled. The days after the attacks. But it's interesting that they picked this because it really is. It's very much in line with this, this feeling and talking about the forgotten man, talking about. They're not listening to us. They don't know that we're in trouble. What Bush is saying here is literal words are, I hear you and the people who knock these towers down are going to hear you, right? You, your, your anger will have a a reaction in the world, right? It will be met with fire and fury, right? Like that is that is the promise being made. And it's this, this undercurrent and everything Beck's doing here. Of the thing that he is working with, the clay that he is molding is the fact that these people don't feel listened to and like and that they deserve to be listened to and that the when they're angry at something, it should be hurt, right? Like, that's that's the undercut. He's talking about family and togetherness, but like, that's what he's actually promising people. I'm really interested in this. Like, like, I know this is probably like 912 or whenever he's giving this speech, and I think I always come by. It's weird given where. Separatism is gone, right? And like, he's taken this in very much a clash of civilizations direction. But like Bush was giving, like Islam is the fabric of America speeches that week he was speaking in mosques and two Muslims and being like that, like, this is not a clash of civilizations. Now obviously *******. He then went and ******* like killed millions of Muslims, right? Most of them innocent civilians who had nothing to do with nearly all of them, right? But yeah, it's just. Interesting that like his Bush, who was giving this like, this isn't a clash of civilizations thing and it's become a clash of civilization thing like eight years later. Yeah, yeah. And it's become but in a very different way, right. Because one of the things that I think is happening here is the problems that Americans, regular Americans are facing in 2009 are this massive economic strife caused by predatory lending, outright fraudulent business practices by major banks, the fact that the legal system had been changed in order to allow this massive con to go on. And then it had been followed by this massive crony capitalist bailout that ignored regular working people. Glenn doesn't want his viewers to focus on all of that, right? Because those are his backers, right? But he what? So instead what he's doing is he's taking they feel disrespected and vulnerable because they have been right. Now. There's unreasonable aspects to that, but they have been disrespected by the people who are stealing, like all of the money in the country and ******* them over too, and leaving their homes hollowed out pillow dicted wastelands. But you can't. Focus on that. The cure is the cure that Beck offers them is not materially improving anyone's conditions. It's not altering the systems that people cannot prey upon others that way. It's by striking someone else. It's by striking back at that sense of aggrievement right, it's by this is what's going to turn into owning the libs, right? Just hurting the left. Conservatism now is purely about harming groups of people they view as opposed to them. That's part of why trans people are so focused on. To the right right now is that it's this symbol of liberalism to them and they want to hurt that symbol, right? This is, this is the answer back is offering and it's going to be adopted by the thought leaders of conservatism. We don't need to focus on doing any. Nothing can be done, right. Nothing can be done. The grift is running out, collapse is coming. All that we can do is redirect the anger they feel that being ****** by us towards hurting other people. That's that's the magic that Beth is pulling off here. It's pretty cool. It's interesting. I think pretty well, like, it's interesting to compare this, I think, to like both Reagan and like Reagan and Nixon because this is very, very similar to Nixon talking about like the silent majority and the suffering is doing. But it's like those people have an actual political project, like, like Reagan, Reagan is trying to completely annihilate the welfare state and like, you know, like they have stuff they're trying to do, but like post Bush was like, Bush was the time. They tried to, like, do stuff. And it's like, like, Bush is so hated by this point that like, like, even Glenn Beck at the beginning of this is being like, well, we had concerns about the last administration too. And I was like, well, yeah, because he like, yeah, just by by every conceivable metric, just completely like, annihilated the United States. But yeah, it's like, it's this interesting thing that like, yeah, like, this is the first time they've talked like this. But the level of nihilism is just like, so much like the the politics has been emptied of content to like. Such a greater extent. And, and I, I think, I think part of it too, also what's happening here is that, like there's like, like the the only thing left like for sort of like the capitalists who are backing back, like the only thing left for them that they could possibly win is getting rid of Social Security. And they kind of like, and Obama gave them the chance to do it and they kind of like blew it. But like they don't like, this is like the 80s like they actually have. Like there there's like there's there's tax rates, tourism. Like, there's not actually anything for them really to do, but they still have to sort of, like, maintain this constant vigilance against anyone even remotely trying to make the world better by taking away some of their power. And I think that's like another angle of why all of this is just sort of like this, like, incredibly empty nihilism because that's like that. That's the only politics you can have to defend a group of people who've won. Yep. Yeah. Well, that's a good note to end on. Hope you have all enjoyed getting to meet Glenn Beck in the 912 project. I know, I've enjoyed it. Goodbye. Football is back and better. MGM is inviting new customers to join the huddle and enjoy the action like never before. Sign up today using bonus code champion and your first wager is risk free up to $1000. 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Learn about what really went down from the people that were there. Listen to more than a movie American me that's part of the Michael Duda podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So I'm here today with Aria and Anne Aria. She lives at the Eden house over there in Kenya and is the chair of the management Board at Trans Rescue and has over 40 years of trans rights activism. And they're going to explain today a little bit of what trans rescue is, what Eden House is, and the threats and attacks that they've been facing in the last couple of days. And so perhaps, and you could explain what Evenhouse is, and I think I really liked in your website where you explained the difference between like a Heidi hole and a haven. So if you could get into that, that would be wonderful. Eden House is a is a trans haven in in Kenya. It's our primary mission is that we help trans people escape from dangerous places. That implies that we help them go somewhere because of course they have to have a safe place to go to, which means we often end up renting an apartment short term or doing something like that while they get established in their new place. The problem and of course that that was getting expensive in Kenya, where we can move a lot of people, because some areas of Kenya are quite dangerous, but the major cities. Are not quite so dangerous and so we move people into the major cities, but we were trying to be efficient and save money and we thought about making a a kind of temporary Doss house or a place with. Bunk beds to the ceiling and whatever. But we realized that would still cost us money and it wouldn't be a very positive experience or affirming experience for the folks living in it. And we realized for that we could instead do a trans haven. That is a place where a person could come and if they chose, never leave, live there the rest of their life if they want. So when someone comes to. In house and expect to receive help to find some income producing activity and as time goes on they'll eventually be expected to contribute to the running of the House. Our plan is we just started a month ago, but our plan is by about the end of the year to have the House no longer be requiring funds from us and then we can do it again. We have space for eight people when we get up to 8 and it doesn't look like it's going to bleed us dry, we can do it again and we can. And in the end we end up with something that I think many trans people in any country would love to have because that's, you know, that's something. As long as I've been around, there have been many discussions of building such places. Yeah, it's it's a very admirable project and I know Gary and I just. Used to be tenacious Unicorn Ranch I've been before and it's really powerful to see like how empowering those spaces are and how they can help people. So I can see that you set up in Kenya. Was there a reason that you picked Kenya and was that was that was our very large trans community there or something that led you to frankly you know in such places people often have. There is the old queer. I know somebody who knows somebody a lot system and people have kind of webs of trust and as a result where we get people coming from to ask us to move them is very irregular. There are some countries we never hear from and we certainly know there are queer people there. We know the conditions are bad and would you know and be. We'd be happy to move people but we don't have a lot of penetration in others like Kenya where in the network and people are telling giving each other our our contact info. Also, we have some capabilities. We had built up kind of a center there. So we decided to focus on Kenya, Kenya's relatively easy to get into as far as visas and so on. And so it's a place we can send people when they when we might have trouble getting them into say Europe or the United States. Can with and so we're perfectly happy to end up with lots of folks. We'd like to make the place attractive enough that it's also a place that we even have people coming who aren't particularly in immediate danger. We'd be the we're working from a philosophy of abundance that we want to grow, and we have a rule of we don't want to make a place that we wouldn't want to live. Ourselves and honestly, eating the house is a nice place. It was the personal home of. Of a rather wealthy family and it's looks nice. Aria, would you maybe like to describe for us like your experience at the House, what it's like and and how places like this are important so that people can understand? Maybe if you could start with how you became aware of the Eden House and that that this was an option that was available to you. OK, so. I met. We got in touch with Anne Ali this this year, yes, Alicia, around February, January if I'm not wrong. So we that was before Aiden was formed. So we really had a long discussion on us moving from where we are. We at the coast and things were really, really brutal at the cost side of Kenya. Like we were going a lot of stress. We even lost one of our friend and yeah, it wasn't really good. It was really bad. So yeah, we had a discussion about moving. To to add in house and it is, it was a work in progress, so we took some time working on that. So eventually it happened and so we came to Eden House and it's a very beautiful place. I would agree with that. Yeah and uh, yeah. And also flew all the way to here because we were new here and there were some things that we needed done. And yeah, we had three of us currently in Eden House. I got in touch with Anne and the rest of the team. There was Doris on board, actually. She's the person who was like, you know, responsible for the Malindi team. And yeah, the two sisters that I have, like, OK, they're my sisters because we've been through a lot of help together. So, yeah. We come all the way from Malindi also we are here together and so far when we got here. The place is very beautiful, but just needed a little, you know here and there decoration and you know clarifications and modifying and you know precautions whereby, you know putting on security lights and the the security wires. Yeah still some things need to be upgraded. But you know, we still need to resource for a lot so that we can have some things been done. But so far so good. Everything is good. I I'd interject that. We're trying to foster a spirit of self-sufficiency, and so we've been we got everybody to make the furniture. Furniture in the house has been made by the residents and we're starting some various sort of fundraising, you know, or income activities where we've made a chicken coop and we're in the process of getting chickens, getting chickens and. And sewing machine and one of our residents is a talented artist. We're going to set her up to have a place to sell her artwork. So that's the kind of things we're doing. Thank you. Aria. I'm really curious, kind of on a day-to-day basis, what are the things that you and the other people who are at the Eden house do in order to, like, protect yourself, like when you're going about town, when you're doing errands, is there like a degree of operational security that you have to keep in mind? Yeah, actually we have a rule whereby we don't go anywhere without letting each other. Know especially if we are going to a long distance and putting in mind we are very new into this area so we don't know a lot of places. So currently we are just in the House trying to get to understand a few things actually we've been doing. The repairing, we have a, we have a chicken coop at the park. It's kind of a small, a small place whereby we needed to fix some things. So we've been working on that so that we have the place ready for the chicken when they're ready to come in. And also for me, I've been going around to see at least allocate some few places whereby, you know, we can feel safe. Like the hospitals have been trying to get in touch with people like around here. I haven't been. Easy, but at least now I can say I can go to an hospital that at least it's kind of familiar with me. Uh, we also have. A place where we buy water, these things, the the house supplies and all that stuff. We are really trying as much as possible to like minimize our moving around from places to places to draw attention. So we're just trying to go with time and see how people will accept as existing to this community. So we don't want to bring any attentions whereby people will start asking questions like you know what's happening there, what's not happening there. Yeah, yeah, I noticed as well. The house used to belong to a politician, is that right? So it has some measures of sort of external physical security as well, which is good. Maybe we can talk about. I know Kenya is a big country and it differs vastly depending on where you are and who you're with. How is the climate towards trans folks? I haven't been in Kenya for probably 10-15 years. How how is the climate towards trans people? Have things, have it become like a big topic, like a culture war thing recently or is it sort of, can you explain, I guess, what it's like you were saying? It seems like it can be a risk just to go outside, which is pretty sad. Yeah yeah it is a risk to go outside you know, here in Kenya in different sites of Kenya, like at the coast. OK taking example at the coast site from where I come from, it's it's really bad for the trans community because now there they are very transphobic and homophobic people that like most of the transphobic and homophobic people come at the cost side because these are people that tend to keep their culture and religious like you know, more of a. More of a key thing in in someone's life, more of like they use, they use the Koran and the Bible to crisis to criticize the trans people and the gay community. So being in that area, it's very, very bad and very, very risky for trans community comparing to the other side of Kenya. I wouldn't say it's not risky, but. Their level of understanding of the trans community and the gay community, it's it's more of an it's more of an way that they are kind of confused. Not sure where to understand but it depends with also the air that you are you might find you end up for example now we are adding house is like for the few for the month that we've been here the the feedback that I can say I have from the community around here is there like more of. People that are calm and more of people who are you are more of. Used to their own personal things they don't like, you know, put their nose into their to, to, to the things that they're not involved with. If you get what I mean in other towns, having new people, people who like, you know, want to know why they are there and or, you know, all that stuff. But in this town that we have, we are in Hidden House. It's a it's kind of safe in a way that people are not putting their nose in into us, like more of wanting to know about us rather than they're welcoming us, moreover. You know and the landlord is kind of friendly. I would say that the the Kibana, Kibana, it's more of a small grocery shops. So the kabanda is around here, the small grocery shop, they are the people who are selling the, you know, the groceries and all that stuff. They are friendly. I haven't, I haven't incurred or you know engaged or seen any transphobic or homophobic reaction towards demand that have been here. Most of the people here are much of welcoming. Like I would say that, and yeah, it's really different from where I come from. Trust me from the town that I come from. You can't walk with makeup or with anything that makes you look girlish or anything that makes you look resembled to a transgender or maybe gay or something. It will be a bad thing for you in the day. Yeah, a little bit of the geography of Kenya. Remember that? On Kenya's coast, up in the north, is the border with Somalia, and so the culture naturally mixes over the border. And this is also an area where lots of folks are coming over because of the political instability and Somalia, and it's an area of El Shabab. Terrorist activity, so. So that makes particularly the north part of the coast rather dangerous place. If people are interested, I know like the State Department sort of has a do not travel like north of Laramie, pretty much so like people can see it on the map. But yeah, there are certainly areas where risk would be higher. And fortunately talking of that, like it it hasn't, there been some attacks, right, threats against evenhouse in the last couple of days. So if either of you would like to explain exactly what happened. As far as you're comfortable, I think that would be great. Yeah, let me explain because I think I'm the right person to explain that. So they're there. They're there. OK, this happened when and was around here actually we had an attack and one of the Windows people, people breaked into their house, not inside the house but inside the compound and they tried getting in the house but yeah, thank God the place has secured doors and windows but they they took off one of the glass from the window. And they tried to like they had a stick that was was was holding, yeah, a magnet on the end. So they were trying to use the stick with the magnet to pull out the keys so that they can have an and clear entrance into the house. But thank God we had removed the keys to where we used we normally used to put and kept it somewhere else. So the keys that were aware they were targeting, they were only the keys to the meter box and the fridge. So they took those and yeah, I presume they later realized that they wouldn't go through with us because they are not the right case. So the next thing we wake up in the morning, the magnet was down on the floor and we noticed that the the window had the piece of glass missing. So that was the first incident that happened. So we reported that to to the to the landlord and previous day before that happened those neighbour. Who came by? And they said that someone tried to break into their apartment and they were kind of curious because they never knew if people moved into this house. So they just wanted to check in what was going on. And we can we kind of get into like, you know each other and that they kind of give us a warning and that's why we removed the kid and that the the day when they came, they couldn't get in. So yeah, after Ann left now, this is a recent incident that happened then. Then the next night they came back and. We found a couple of broken windows in the morning, like they tried to pry some windows out and ended up breaking the glass and gave up. But but yeah, that's so at the time, I think we all just thought of this as ordinary, you know, theft activity. But this latest incident, it's pretty unclear. But this may be a more targeted attack. Yeah, and perhaps it's silly of me to even ask this, but could you speak a bit on what kind of help you can expect from law enforcement? If any. I would say if any I would say like you see the place where we are staying from the law enforcement. I would expect that they put some like, you know the they have a name that they put that that that the lights that's normally the government supposed to supply like you know the what's that, what do they call there? These lights that you normally have to support from street lights St lights. So the place that you are staying, there's no St lights. So if, if, if, if. If a police was to ask me or you know. Any security measures that were to be put, like I would say that they put the street lights, those would help at least there'll be more lights for like, you know, that should scare people away, even if those people are thieves or anything you see. So yeah, that was, that's what I would say. OK. Yeah, I know. Two people were hurt in the most recent sort of active aggression, right? This was the day before yesterday. Doing OK. Yeah, they're fine, actually. I'm one of them. I have my own. Then one of them I have my arm injured, backs not really deep. The other one is asleep. She had a really bad injured back, stabbed and you know, at the arm. Also catched. So yeah, eight teachers at the back, really bad. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's not good at all. OK, so that that's not great, have you? Since the attack, is there like an ongoing aggression against you? And it seems like someone's targeting the Eden House, right? If you ask me, I would say it's more of targeting the Eden House because. I don't understand why we would only be the only person, like, the only people experiencing the same, the same incident over and over, like the next, the next houses. They don't complain in such incident. Like, you know, like this guy literally. If I'm just picturing the fact that we had to go out and, you know, turn on the machine and we saw this guy and he just bumped into us with a knife and cutting us off. So I'm just picturing if this guy was waiting for like. I'm just seeing it. If he was waiting for more people to come so that they can attack coming inside the house, why was even standing there in the 1st place? Because we found him there. And he was like, he came through me because I was the one who was in the front. So I I just keep asking myself, like, why was he standing there? What was he waiting for? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd point out that to get there, to get there, he had to climb a high stone wall top with. Razor wire and get into position without triggering the motion detectors. Yeah. Which is, you know, not impossible to do, but it was. But they keep coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm sure people listening will be upset by this. Is there a way that people can, like, express their solidarity or support you financially? Big funds to keep running the house and in fact the guy escaped through a hole that was left only because we ran out of razor wire. We need funds to to keep the project going. We need funds to also to support our primary work. We are continuing to get people out of places like Saudi Arabia. We have people, we have people who are kind of who are in mid travel right now and we have other people. In Heidi holes in dangerous countries and we want to move all those people and we'd like to start that. Right now, we're not even taking new folks on because we just have such a backlog. I'd very much like to fix that situation. So for all these reasons, I, you know, we're doing. We're happy with what we're doing, but but we do need funds at the moment. Let's get into that a little bit. You're the we here is trans rescue, right? Yes, Trans Rescue is an A nonprofit and you're based in Europe and you move trans people out of dangerous situations. That's correct. We're based in, we're based in the Netherlands where a sticking which is the in the US that would be a 501C3. We're in NBI qualified sticking which basically is a 501C3. And you were telling us before we started the call that you think it costs you about €2500 to move each person, is that right? Yeah, that's the average. The average is probably slightly going down because of course, to move somebody into Eden House from the coast might be as cheap as. 80 bucks to send them a ticket and then a few $100 of settling them and even house. On the other hand, getting people out of Saudi oftentimes means not only flying with them, but sometimes flying our own personnel in and out on. Often kind of crazy roots. So a person might find themselves a long way from either Saudi or where they're finally going to end up, and as a result, and then so yeah, we end up having to spend a lot on plane tickets. And then we also sometimes this takes months. We play paperwork games. We are not people smugglers, but but we certainly are helping people get to a country where they can actually claim asylum for the most part, which means, you know, in successfully claim asylum. And that often means manipulating edge cases in the international travel system. Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I can see why that would be expensive and complicated. It's great that people can donate to you there. Is there anything like, I notice you were asking before for some mutual aid, help with your PR. Is that something you still need? Like there are things people can do, maybe they don't have the means to be small organization. We're not very large and and we actually are just cranking up our PR operation. We could use a press list we could use. We could also use amplification from organizations with more kind of. Online cloud, we're basically a a little group of people and for two years we operated as an informal group of of activists. We realized that was probably not ideal for this very serious work we're doing. And so last December we reorganized as a proper sticking. But yeah, help with boosting our signal at the moment would be very useful anyone who can. You know, kind of spread the word of what's happened at Eden now, so we would be very much appreciative. Well, we can definitely do that, yet hopefully other folks can't too. It's just so people can find you. It's trans under score rescue on Twitter. It's trans under score rescue on Twitter. It's trans rescued or.org on the web. Yeah, that fundraiser link when when this comes out. Aria, how have things been for you the last couple of days? Like I. It must be pretty rough. I imagine. Not not feeling safe at the house, actually. Actually, the advice that we got from the the landlord and the neighbor. There's a neighbor here, a lady. She came by and they have a number. I called her the day we had the incident and she came in the morning when they had to talk. So she suggested that we shouldn't be going out late night. And by 10 we make sure that all the doors are locked and yes, and stay safe inside. In case of anything she asked me to call her and also the landlord asked me if in case of anything, if I hear any movement or any suspicious thing happening outside the gates, I just give them a call. People are sticking up for you in your community is really good to hear. Yeah. Really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We appreciate that. And on their behalf, what y'all are doing is very important. And we're, you know, sorry that you're encountering this kind of resistance, but we hope we can help at least get the message out about what you were doing at eating house. Much appreciated. Thank you. It's much appreciated. I regret that we spent most of the time on security. I'm. I'm more. I'm excited. About many of the positive things we're doing, we're, you know, we're trying to set up a place where trans people can live their lives and thrive and. And have, you know, normal lives. Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about like how many people do you have at the Eden house right now? If you're comfortable sharing that? Sure. We just opened. So we've got three people. We've got one more person who. Went back to settle, kind of settle his affairs and we'll be moving in. And we have. And we've got space for 8:00 at the moment. We've had a couple other people in choir but but haven't like aren't there yet. We're kind of excited by the space we've got because there's actually room around us to grow, so we're expecting to get to get bigger. Yeah, I hope you do. And how many people is trying to rescue you, been able to help like as an organization overall one way or the other with we've moved about two dozen people. Of that, roughly half have been the serious kind of get people out of Saudi Arabia type moves. The others have have been folks that we helped and sort of less dramatic ways. Yeah, that's a very meaningful contribution to a lot of people. Live. So that's great. Yeah, I I get, you know, it's great. At least one person lives locally and it's great to to kind of. Occasionally have him over for dinner or, you know, and know that we got him out. Yeah. That must be really nice, I think. Yeah. It's important not to just center, like, the hatred, but also about success. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. And it's cool that, like, you have plans to grow. I've seen that you have agricultural areas around, so you're thinking of, like, growing some food around the house. And actually, we have brought some fools. We have some vegetables like spinach, cabbage. Tomatoes, green paper. Oh, nice, yes. Did they did the garden survive the flood? We had actually, I was about to tell you that actually when the water was coming in the old all the spinach went and lied down and we were kind of worried. But when it stopped, when the water stopped flowing down, the sun came out, they kind of started going straight. So I wouldn't be much worried about that, but it's kind of freaking out because they all went down and we were like, they're dead, we have a drainage problem in front of the house and the and recently there was. Perennial rain. Things I didn't actually Spanish is hard to kill. Things I did not know about Kenya. It hails there. Oh yeah, I did not expect, I did not like sort of imagine hail, but but it hailed several times while I was there. And and everybody was cold. While I was walking around in the T-shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can add some robust weather in Kenya for sure. Yeah, I'm looking at these pictures. It's great to see you guys making your own furniture and doing all these things and and really enjoying your time there as well as obviously we don't want to just focus on the threat, so hopefully you can go back to that. Hopefully people can support you. Aria, is there anywhere online people can find you? Do you have a Instagram or Twitter or anything like that? Count my Twitter handle is at around- area. How do you can you spell that out for us? RMS, OK-- low- under score, under score? Yes. OK, great. Yeah. And it's for for yourself. And is it, is it just trans rescue? Is there a personal one? Anything else you'd like to my e-mail, if someone wants to contact me, is Annie Ann i.e. At transrescue.org. OK, yeah, yeah, hopefully. And we have a contact form on the website as well as people are interested in talking with us. OK, great. Is there anything else you'd like to get to before we finish up here at on Fridays we have a, we have office hours. So if you are in a country like the UK or the US and you would just like some advice or to explore your options, that's another service we offer as well. Happy to talk with you on video about that. And would those be there at 6:00 PM Central European summer time, OK, which I think works out to midday in the US? To the US and there, yeah, you can look that up and your fingers primarily in English. Those are primarily in English if you speak Arabic and or Farsi. Or Urdu contact us. We can arrange to have somebody who speaks those languages talk with you. We maintain a telegram group, trans rescue, and you get on there, you can use machine translation and talk with us very well. And we have Arabic speakers that monitor that amazing. Yeah. Hopefully people could take advantage of that if they need it. Right. Thank you so much for your time. Like our platform is here for you. If you want to share anything else, if anything else happens, please let us know. 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This is going to be about a part of the world that of probably fairly few Americans spend much time thinking about. It's certainly a conflict that's kind of been lost in everything that's happening in Ukraine right now. But Armenia and Azerbaijan, their neighbour, have been at a state of more or less regular war since 2020, since longer than that. But this kind of latest wave of it started in 2020. It was over a breakaway, well, what's often referred to as a breakaway region that both countries claimed and that stayed kind of independent for a very long time, until 2020, invasion by the Azeris in this area, which is. Majority Armenian and it was kind of a military disaster for the Armenian side. The war went very badly, a lot of troops were killed, a lot of territory was taken. And ever since the Azeri military has been carrying out border strikes in and around areas that are kind of near their shared border with Armenia. Over the last 10 hours as I record this and and I'm talking to you all on Monday the 13th of September over the last about 10 hours. The Azeri military has launched a fairly unprecedented set of strikes within Armenian territory. So not just kind of hitting border areas and not just hitting military targets, but hitting cities, hitting civilian areas, trying to move troops across the border. There's video evidence of this to talk about what's happening, what's been happening in the past, over the last couple of years, and what's happening now. I'd like to welcome on Joe Casabian Joe you will know from his podcast Lions led by donkeys from his book. The hooligans of Kandahar and a number of other books that I think we'll talk about a little bit at the end here from his appearances on the behind the ******* Joe, you are an American citizen, but you're also Armenian and you're currently in Armenia. Yeah, I moved here a couple of months ago. Permanently. Citizenship is. We kind of have, like, our own repatriation laws, but I'm still waiting on that. And so to to go off a couple of things that you said, we've been at a state of war effectively since the 90s when we first gained independence from the Soviet Union. Without going into the incredibly complicated history of Nagorno Karabakh or Arzach, Artsakh still exists. And they did not take all of it in 2020. But 2020 was a military disaster for Armenia, unequivocally. So we lost over 4000 people. Huge swaths of territory were their population became the victims of a regional genocide. There are no Armenians that have been confirmed to still be alive within that territory. There's endless videos of Azeri troops beheading old men and women and and destroying homes and cemeteries and churches. And ever since the war ended in 2020, a month has not gone by where either Artsakh or Armenia itself has not been attacked. We've probably lost over 100 soldiers since then. These are kids, they're conscripts. We have military mandatory service here. So these are 1819 year old kids doing their two years of service on top of the civilians that are currently being bombed. We we don't know how many people are dead at the moment. And. It's it's it's truly aggravating. I mean, Armenians live with this all the time. It's a sword hanging over our heads when this is going to happen. 2020 happened with. Unprecedented international support and not only support, but willing willingly ignoring it. I mean, NATO powers helped Azerbaijan do this, Turkey and and Israel. Israel. Israeli drone designers literally test flew a suicide drone into Armenian soldiers to sell it. I mean, it's. It's it's honestly kind of. I I don't know what to say about it other than that's. It should be another thing that the the world should be united against, and they never will. No, I mean it's. It's so frustrating. One of the things that I have had a lot of issue with, because obviously I as as you are, I'm supportive of Ukrainian peoples of Contempts to so far quite successful attempts to stop Russia from taking over their homes. But one of the things that's happened alongside this is kind of lionization of a specific kind of Turkish drone, the the Bayraktar, which was particularly effective in the opening stages of the war and military technology, military. Equipment wonks can argue as to whether that was due to Russian kind of tactical failures and operational failures, or whether it was due to new realities about how drones functioned. But one of the things that was ignored in all of this kind of fetishization of this drone and people raising money to buy more of them, is that the drones were really combat tested for the first time massacring Armenians. Yeah, yeah, and it's I try not to get. Two mad when I see stuff like that. Because I understand whether Ukrainians are happy, of course. And like, yeah, I should point out unequivocally, I support Ukraine's fight for independence just like I wish people supported ours and and the war the wars effectively have. The same kind of propaganda angle, obviously, before Russia invaded Ukraine. They're talking about, you know, D notification or demilitarization, when when you look at their speeches and the rhetoric, it's that they believe that Ukraine does not have the right to exist and that Ukrainians are either are Russian or they also should not exist. And that's effectively what we are looking at too. This is why Armenians constantly compare what is happening now to 1915. Azerbaijan continuously says they want Artsakh or Nagano. Karabakh, they they want it back. But that's not what they're attacking right now. If you look at the rhetoric of Aliev and his government going all the way back to the 90s when his dad was in charge, and a few other people. Their ideology is that Armenia is not a real state. They have claims over our capital, yovan. They have. They have claims over the South, where they are invading right now, and everywhere those soldiers go. They wipe out the local population of Armenians. There are no Armenian survivors and had Ruth or sushi or any of these other places they took in 2020. They're they do not exist. And ever since then, they've been purposefully going through and destroying any evidence that Armenians ever live there. Which is ridiculous. Armenians have been living in these places since before Rome is ******* established. I mean and this is obviously we're talking about the Armenian genocide which occurred during kind of the in concurrent to the kind of late stages of World War One. And uh was unrecognized by the United States until what was that now, two years ago, Joe. Yeah, something like that finally became the 1st President, first US president to recognize it. And and this is because we, we've mentioned Turkey a couple of times that there's a couple of reasons for this, but most of them boil down to not wanting to push up, **** *** the Turkish Government. The Turkish Government has strong attitudes that essentially everybody in Anatolia is Turkish and always has. There were no Greeks, there were no Kurds, there were no army. And this has led to, I mean it, it's led to ethnic cleansings and genocides against the Armenians and against the Kurds. One of the things that was being done in Rojava that I found so compelling was, was an attempt to educate, an attempt by the Kurds there to educate people who were joining the YP G about Kurdish complicity in the genocide against Armenia because they recognize themselves as victims of the same thing, you know, starting, I think, you know. All of the it's hard to say starting in, right, because we're trying to talk about concurrent conflicts, but they all go back. Everything's going back quite a while. You, you mentioned Ali of a little bit ago, and I don't want to talk about him. We're talking about Ilham Aliyev, who's the current president of Azerbaijan, the 4th and of course the the son of the former leader, which is always a recipe for a good functional democracy. Also his wife as vice president. Yeah, and his wife is vice president, which is nice. It's just like, it's just like House of Cards. Yeah, he's the Kevin Spacey and his his attitude and and rhetoric towards Armenian in general is eliminationist at best. Yeah, like. He's, I mean the the countries put out stamps that show Armenia being fumigated like dirt when during the height of the pandemic, which like as a genocide scholar, you know, generally when I see a picture of a place being gassed, I get suspicious. Uh, they've talked, they've talked about how it was a good thing that in the 90s Armenians were driven from Baku and the backup Progra, Pograms and a few other places. They weren't there, like literally like some of those trophies that arms shows and stuff, like pieces of of captured equipment with blood on it and stuff. Yeah, and they also had, honestly, one of the weirdest. Like, it's incredibly offensive and racist, the these. Characters of our of Armenian soldiers who like at the same time, they're like racist towards Armenians, but also vaguely anti-Semitic. Like, they looked like a character of a Jewish person that come out of their stermer with like, you know, and I understand how stereotypically people think Armenians look in like, these racist art where we have no big hooked noses and big eyebrows and things like that, which I admittedly, I know I meet both of those personally, but that's besides the point. Of like, if you look at the pictures and they were taken down because, like, even like, Israel was like, ooh, that's a bit much. And like, they helped that happen. But like, also to talk. You can't talk about Azure by Jean without talking about Turkey because they have this ideology that's like two people, one state they they do believe in, like, panterra anism, especially Erdogan. I mean, he's been ever, ever since he's gone, like, full fascist. That's something he's been hammering the drum on and like, this is. An extension of that. He's effectively a neo automatist. He wants to reunite the Ottoman Empire, which is ******* insane, but also has realized things, you know? But also to bring us, you know, to the conflict that Americans are more focusing on. As we've talked about before, this is another similarity between what Russia is doing in Ukraine and what is urban and Turkey are doing in Armenia. They're both these kind of redemptionist dreams of people who want to bring back some sort of lost imperial splendor, right, and our, our, our utilizing kind of the tactics that the tactics of, of genocide in order to try to make that happen. Yeah, I think for Turkey it's a lot of this lost splendor, especially as their economy shifts itself from mismanagement. And I think for Azerbaijan, it's the other way around. In the 90s, when we fought the first Karabakh war, Armenia won. I mean, it wasn't from being militaries, military, militarily superior, or having more money. It had to do with two largely unorganized forces in the fallout of the Soviet Union, and Armenian ended up winning. And ever since then, that loss has been something of like national. It's like it was kind of like the national mythos of Azerbaijan because before then Azerbaijan is a national identity simply didn't exist. It's relatively new. And that loss in that war became the defining moment. That's where the lost Armenia was internalized and like it became school curriculum that Armenians were the were at fault for everything. We're subhuman. We've been compared to cockroaches like for instance, if you have say. My last name. You cannot legally enter the country of Azerbaijan, like you cannot enter that country with an Armenian last name. It's. Racism and fascism is state doctrine there. So when you know their oil production kicked back up from after the war damages and after the fallout of the Soviet Union and top of military reforms have been lasting for 30 years, they're the ones on the upswing now, not Turkey, in my opinion. And it also helps their fighting someone like Armenia, which, you know, Armenians, that we have military history and everything. We have no ******* money, we have no natural resources, we have no allies. We have no one's going to AirDrop. Pallets of ******* himars and eurovan like nobody's coming to help us. We have AK's that fought in the first war. We have BMP ones that have probably seen more combat than most people who are still alive. That's an armored personnel carrier, essentially. We we have nothing. I'm not going to speak about the capabilities of the Armenian military, but like you can imagine what a small landlocked country with a small population not a lot of money can feel. It's not a lot. It's not a lot. And this kind of gets us to another topic that has to be broached with us, which is kind of talking about the relationship of Russia to all this, because one of the things that's very frustrating about this conflict is that. Americans particularly tend to want things very simply. So you hear you've got a Russian client state, which is how it's not what Armenia is. I'm not saying that, Joe, obviously, but is, is how it's easy to kind of especially like kind of in the boil out sort of break things out as it's like, OK, you've got this state backed by Russia and then you've got this other state fighting that's backed by Turkey. We'll turkeys part of NATO, they're part of, you know, the fight against Russia. So they must be the good guys and none of that's accurate. Absolutely. But I think it's, I think it's important to explain why so, I mean. It's it's really hard to explain our median Russia's relationship other than imperialism. Obviously, Armenia has been conquered by countless countries throughout our ******* long history, but the most recent one being the Soviet Union, which we did not join willingly. And then, after the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation were solidly within Russia's fear of influence. By no active choice of ours were members of the CSO, were members of the Eurasian Economic Union, and neither of those were by choice. We were strong armed into it. Because there's no, there's nothing else, there's no other option, and as far as it goes, it's it's like the brotherly relationship or this client state. It would be exactly like someone blaming Ukraine for what happened in Maidan, or blaming Ukraine for what happened in 2014, or what happened now because they're trying to get away from that. I mean, we can't. We don't have the resources to do it, just just for an example of how Armenia plays like tightropes this ****. Never once have we voted in favor of Russia during this war we like. They're like our representatives to the UN are our administrative foreign affairs. Our Prime Minister is solidly neutral because that's the best he can do, right? You know, he's either voted against, he's voted, he's abstained, he's never voted for to support Russia during this war at all. Now, obviously, back in 2014, there was a different Armenia. We had a pro EU movement here that was quite strong. This is before I lived here, of course, that voted to declare our intentions to want to join the EU. I believe this is under President Circassian. And it passed overwhelmingly in the popular vote because unlike the people invading us, we are a free and fair democracy with the freedom of speech and expression and everything else that people like to claim they want to defend, but they don't. And after a 5 minute meeting with Putin, it was gone. There was no more referendum and we decided not to join the EU anymore. By we I mean the President. After that, we had our Velvet revolution in 2018, which got rid of him and distanced ourselves from Russia as much as we realistically could. So in 2014, I believe, for instance, Armenia kind of slightly supported Russia when it came to annexing Crimea, and now you can kind of see why the President was a ******* stooge. That's not the case anymore. We now have a parliamentary system, and as much as I I'm not the biggest fan of Prime Minister Pashinyan, he's not that guy. That's not like the 2014 to 2020 in Armenia is a different ******* world. And. It I know, like, like you said, people really like to simplify these things. They want this to be a team sport. They want this to be NATO versus Russia and, you know, people like Belarus or whoever else. But, you know, there's there's a pretty big ******* difference here. We have not actively supported this war. There has been anti war protests outside my ******* window since the war has started. You Ukrainians have flooded here by the thousands and they have met nothing but Armenians who have welcomed them with open arms. Russians have come too, and we're not the biggest fans of them. But what can you do about it? You know, like, yeah yeah we're we're solidly neutral in this and and it's one of the things that *******. And I mean granted neutral government, wise people wise absolutely were not neutral. And one of the things that ****** me off the most is that people can see. The realities of the war in Ukraine, where they can see right through Russian propaganda when it's like demilitarization denazification. Whatever and they can see on its face. That's complete and utter ********. But like when because you know. Ukraine is fighting for their sovereignty their independence and their right to exist that we all have. And when it comes to us, we don't get that they're like, Oh well, we're calling for both sides to deescalate and maybe Armenia shouldn't ******* star this. We haven't done anything. It was ******* midnight last night and the South started being bombed. What the **** is there to be deescalated? You can't deescalate self-defense. So you have what is a really uncomfortable situation and one that a lot of people don't like talking about the reality of. Because essentially when you have a country like Azerbaijan that is insisting on repeatedly violating the territory of its neighbor and that has proven a not just a willingness but an eagerness to engage and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide, you have two options for dealing with that other than let them do it right. Option one is send in peacekeepers to stop the aggression. Now Russia has troops that were called peacekeepers in the area. You know, that there's, you could debate prior to the invasion of Ukraine how good they were at that job, but they certainly are not capable of doing it now. So then the question is, OK, who else? Who, what, who else is peacekeepers are going to come in, right? And if that's not a realistic solution and you don't want to let Azerbaijan just do a genocide, then what you do is you give them weapons, Armenia weapons, not as people are already doing that part, unfortunately, the US and NATO included. Indeed and. Again, there's this. We're all kind of in terms of like the discourse around this in the United States, living in the shadow of the War on Terror, in which an irresponsible quantity of weapons were handed out to an irresponsible variety of groups, and many of them went to bad Inns and bad places. The reality is that, you know, we're sitting on a ******* stockpile of weapons here in the United States as tall as the sky, and handing over a tiny percent of that when people talk about like, we're giving this much aid to Ukraine. Not spending that much cash straight on aid to Ukraine. We're picking up **** we have in mothballs, and we're handing it to them because we've spent all of our treasure on on on a pile of guns larger than you can conceive of in terms of its actual size and weight. And I don't know, like when when I think about what is to be ******* done here, realistically, I would like for Armenia to have access to javelins. And I'm yes, and some ******* stingers, even. One of the things that ****** me off is, like, like you said, there's two options here. You do nothing and you're complicit in a genocide. That's what this is like. It's like being silent and. In 1945, it's being silent. In 1915, it's being silent Rwanda. We were silent during most of those things and we saw how they all end. Sure were like, there's only one way this ******* ends if we don't get guns. And that's with a lot of debt, Armenians, that that by supporting Azerbaijan or sitting out, that is what you explicitly support is. Thousands and thousands of dead civilians, like that's the only way this ends. And it is again. And I, I hate keep that we keep going back to Ukraine, but it's relevant because it's the, the, the, it's the conflict that people are actually focusing on. The people who are counter on, on anti side, providing weapons to the Ukrainian military to make claims about corruption, which they could also make about the Armenian government. Sure, and claims about, you know, arms trafficking and all that stuff, but so far. And Ukraine by the way is a country with a deeper history of corruption, significantly in the Armenian government even. We haven't seen evidence that government is less corrupt than Ukraine, yeah. Yeah, you haven't seen a ton of that happening. What you have seen is the weapons that have been handed to them blowing up invaders, tanks and aircraft, and the sheer quantity that has been destroyed is evidence that that weaponry has been used pretty responsibly. And when you were talking about a group of people facing annihilation, I'm simply not worried that they're going to sell their stingers to ******* ISIS or wherever, right? That's the **** are we going to sell them to have Turkey on one side and Azerbaijan the other? We're gonna sell to Georgia. It's actually fine. Like, you know, and that's I I don't know, I I think people are ******* gutless. You saw this happen in February before, in January, before the war in Ukraine started, when people like, oh, weapons are only going to make it worse. No, they're ******* not. You know what's worse than than an armed population defending itself is an unarmed 1 being murdered anyway. And we, in case nobody paid attention because they probably didn't, you can go back and look at the video footage of what happened to unarmed. Comedians in 2020 and it's the same ******* **** ISIS did to Yazidis. It's the same ******* **** they did to Kurds, and it's the same ******* **** that will happen again if we do not get what we need to defend ourselves. And I don't give a **** if you don't like Russia. I don't ******* like Russia either. But it's the reality that we live in. If if you're, if you're ******* intelligent enough to realize the, the, the diplomacy and geopolitics of how Ukraine ended up in the war that they're in now, you should understand why we are in the situation that we are into. You cannot realistically believe. We deserve what is happening, unless you also believe Ukraine deserves what's happening to them. It's impossible, I. I don't know this is obviously. How could this not be like emotional and it is just feeling like? I can't imagine it must be so much worse, obviously, just. Being there but like this, this feeling of a ******* train coming at you and people aren't gonna do **** because there's this *******. Problem with optic and it's more complicated. When we talk about, I'm talking about when I talk about optics, I guess we're talking about discourse when it comes about, like, why politically the United States is unlikely to do anything like what we've suggested. It's more complicated than that. And a decent amount of it comes down to the fact that we have, what is it, 13 nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey right now, which is land stolen from Armenians from the genocide. Yep. Great stuff, America. Well done. Really knocked it out of the park. What is it that people can do to help outside of, you know, trying to become informed about the conflict, which I think we can talk about some sources at the end of this. Are there places, you know, Red Cross style things that people can donate to, to help, to the extent that that's kind of thing is helpful? Yeah. I mean, yeah, generally crowdfunding for weapons systems is illegal unless you're Ukraine nowadays. So yeah, I'm thinking more about medical waste. The Armenian Red Cross is always a good option. They helped a lot in 2020. They still help now. We still have a ton of internally displaced people. There's also the hendrum in fund, which directly funds wounded servicemen because we really don't have a VA exactly here. There's quite a few other ones, but the the Armenian Red Cross is of course the most reliable and easy to donate if you're in the West. For sure, you don't have to navigate any confusing Armenian language websites because it's it's hard, and Armenia isn't great at the Internet, so, like most of them don't have translations. Yeah, but. You know it's yeah, yeah, and I understand him a little bit more emotional than most people probably hear me on podcasts. But like I'm mad? How could you not mad. I'm ******* frustrated? I don't know how much longer people can let this kind of thing happen. I I hope the EU gas this winter is ******* worth it, because this is what you got. This is what that deal got us. So I hope you're nice and warm in the ******* winter, because we probably won't have power or we'll have more dead or whatever, but real glad you pivoted away from Russian gas and sent a deal. ******* Azerbaijan, you spineless *****. And it's a I mean, it goes, it's the spinelessness is deeper than that, right? Because the reason why the ******* gas crunch that led to that deal happened in the 1st place was. Among a number of things, years of seeding to Russian government aggression in places like Georgia and in places like Ukraine and and you've got that, you know, here you have the invasion by Azerbaijan almost like two years ago now and then there's another one in 2016 before that and. And no pushback, right. And when you this is The thing is and this is not a popular kind of thing to go to talk about on the left, but but it's true if you want to pay attention to. Why? Why that whole World War Two situation got so *** **** bad. A big part of it is they're not being any kind of effective, rules based international order to stop bigger countries, or at least more aggressive ones from ******* with their neighbors. And one of the things we were supposed to have learned from that war is that you don't let people do that. It's bad. And then we did a hardship that when a ************ shows up. Yeah, yeah, like it shouldn't be that hard. Ticks. I don't care what your politics is, I mean. Everybody knows that we're both very left wing, but when someone comes and continuously ***** with you, the only way to make them stop us by hitting them in the *** **** face until they realize it's not a good idea. Like, and this I don't care. Like diplomacy doesn't work when one side only wants you dead. You can't debate my right to live or my neighbor's right to live or these kids right to live over there. ******* schools bombed right now you. There's no debate to be had. You have to hit them until they ******* stop. There's like, I'm sorry, there's not going to be. Any de escalation of ******* genocide, like that's not how this works. People tend to get this in the immediate sense when you're talking about. You know, some ******* bigot in front of you. Everybody everybody loves, you know, cheering on a video of some guy, you know, dropping a racial slur and getting knocked to the ground. Obviously those are a lot of fun. Great. But the the the moral is that if you let ********. The actual moral of, like, why it's important to punch Nazis in the face when they're doing Nazi **** is that if you just let them do Nazi **** and you try to, like, appease them and calm them down, you'll often calm them down here and there and they're like, back off. But they have gotten a little bit more. They'll have gotten a little bit of what they want. They have gotten a little bit. Either. And they just keep making **** worse until somebody actually does ******* drop them. And it's the same with, you know, and again, I, I we just talked about the great lesson of World War Two should have been. And the thing that actually happened is the generation that took power in the United States and in a lot of other Western countries after that. Not exclusively the West, but I think we're talking about our, our, our people here immediately went and ****** around and carried out acts of aggression all over the world. But that doesn't mean the basic lesson is bad. The lesson is don't let people. We should not have been allowed to do that, but we shouldn't. Like, that should not be a thing that the world accepts, like the the, the. You can't just sit back and be like, Oh well, that country's going to go do a genocide now, but it's far away. So there's nothing to be done other than continue to buy the oil of the people doing the genocide and thereby fund the genocide. Right? Like it's. It's ******* unconscionable, man. Like, and even if you want to look at this as like, the West also ****** around during the Cold War, which, like, yeah, you know what everybody did, you know, stop them around. They didn't **** around so much in Southeast Asia after the US got punched in the ******* face in Vietnam, did they? That's right, yeah, it was a lot less function. There shouldn't be this ******* complicated. I don't. I don't care what political ideology you subscribe to. Like it's self-defense. Like it's collective, mutual self-defense when we need help. You give us ******* help. Like, yeah, it it it shouldn't be that ******* hard. I mean, to be fair for for some people will never truly matter because they don't see countries like Armenia or countries like Azerbaijan as having agency to do their own things and want their own things. And if that is you, I, I hope to see your house on CNN one day. But like you know that does there should be like that sounds like like an old Russian curse like me or house be on CNN. I believe it's from the Balkans. Yeah, but I can imagine, yeah, some little old lady saying that to you. We we have the right to freedom as much as anyone else. And not only that, we've achieved it. Like Armenia is a moderately progressive place. I mean, we're still working on some things. We have the freest democracy in the region. We have great standard of living for most people, and it was only getting better. This is a place that has freer and fairer elections and virtually anyone else over here, too. Include Russia to include ******* Ukraine to include Turkey to include all of these places that people insist that are worth defending. I'm just curious why we're not like, why are like, why Armenians less than what did we ever ******* do to deserve this? It's it's incredibly depressing. And maybe we're not the right shade of white. I don't. I don't ******* know anymore, man. Like, it's yeah, it's it's it's really weird to me even, like, internationally. Geopolitically, you know, the Secretary of State blink and urged both sides of deescalate. Suck my ******* ****. Like, what are we deescalating? They're invading us? I would like to ask al Qaeda. I would like to invest deescalate. Would really like to ask the City of New York to deescalate when planes flew into the World Trade Center like get the **** out of here like how do you deescalate this? They're bombing cities like. It's it's madding, and it's not gonna end it. It's not gonna end until someone ******* ends it. We can't. We we just had a generationally destroying War Two years ago that we've not recovered from. We have an entire society that's dealing with various different forms of PTSD. We don't have the the institutions to take care of all of the victims from two years ago. We didn't get any help then either, and we're not going to get any help now. I. Yeah, I you know, I I think. Again, there's this. There's this tendency towards isolationism. In the left brought on by the Iraq war. But none of this if nothing is done, if there's no international response to this and if these areas aren't aren't stopped by you know, in auto Catholic resistance. Then. It won't stop with Armenia because violence of this sort never does. There's a there's a book. I'm interested in your thoughts on it, actually, Joe, but I found it quite illuminating a number of years ago, an inconvenient genocide by Adam Hochschild, which is about the Armenian genocide and its influence on Hitler, making the point that even though. Hitler never was anywhere close to Armenia. Neither were any ******* German troops, for that matter, particularly close. Oh, they sure were. Imperial German troops were. Oh yeah, we're we're very much in charge of a lot of different death squads. So it's it's a weird story. Hitler? Hitler's Germany? Yeah, of course. I apologize. I meant the Vermont. To be fair. They tried. The but the point that Hauschild was making was that Hitler was not engaged in the Armenian genocide, but he paid attention to it. And the fact that the The Young Turks got away with it. Yeah and and got to take that let take land that as you pointed out is currently occupied by some US nuclear warheads. Was was part of what emboldened him to do not just the Holocaust but everything he did in Europe. And there was a line specifically in reference to the Holocaust from Hitler believes during this table. Block. That was like, essentially he was saying, well, of course we'll get away with it. Nobody remembers Armenians anymore. Yeah. It's literally on the wall of anyone do anything to Turkey. Yeah, exactly. And that's The thing is like, *******. It goes back to 2020, right? Like everybody was saying. Because, I mean, I understand the politics behind Artsakh are messy for people who are not from this region, and I I don't have enough time to go into them. Majority Armenian population that was given to Azerbaijan by the Soviet Union with absolutely no process. And they attempted to vote to join Armenia while we were still in the Soviet Union, which is well within the rights according to the Soviet Union's constitution, if such rights functionally existed, which they did not. And that's what started the first war. But in 2020, every war has been about that ever since, effectively at least politically on its surface. Because internationally is recognized as part of Azerbaijan because they go off old Soviet maps for ******* reasons. I don't know. I mean, we could talk about Sykes, Pico. Yeah, exactly. But like, you know, in 2020, people were saying that, like, oh, if this will all end, if Armenia simply gives up our stock, which we don't claim artsoft nobody. I mean, some some people do. The government does not, we don't recognize it as an independent country either, which they themselves have declared themselves. It's it's messy, I understand, but it's it's not within the Republic of Armenia to negotiate the nonexistence of the Republic of Artsakh. That is their right to self-determination. That is politically what the government believes. Now they were saying. Well, now that these areas have been taken over by Azerbaijan, we can finally move towards peace. There is ******* peace talks a week ago. The Prime Minister Pashinyan met with Aliyev. I believe in Belgium. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure. They literally met a week ago. Maybe it was two weeks ago. Like it. It was very recent. But The thing is, is every time this peace process starts again, this happens because it's not about our saw. It's not about Nagano karaba. It's not about any of these. It's it's about our right, our fundamental right to exist. They do not believe in it. Like it's not just like it wasn't about Jews being involved in business. It wasn't about. News no marrying Germans. It was about their fundamental right to exist. Like, that's all it is. It's the same could be said for Palestinians. This is this isn't about Palestinian. Absolutely. I mean, Speaking of which, ******* Israelis are just just placing Armenians in Palestine as well. Like, it's it's not about, it's not about these, these small little nibbles that they're taking. It's not about the freedom of movement. It's not about your right to date. Someone which came up recently, they made some Israeli law against that. You have to declare your romantic intentions before you go into the West Bank or whatever. Like, yeah, it's not about those things. Those are. Maybe that'll make it easier to maybe that'll make it easier to get the the American leftists on this one, right? No, no guys is Israel's the bad. The bad guys here. We could do that. **** even known Chomsky when denied this genocide. Yeah, actually, there you go. That's not entirely true. He probably would, but. And The thing is, is it's not about these small nibbles. It's not about your right to do X or your right to do Y. It's not about art socks, right to freedom. It's it's. It's. They don't believe you should exist. And that they will take and take and take and take until you're ******* powerless and they can wipe you out. That is their goal. I mean, you can see that in Palestine, you can see that in our SAA. You can see that increasingly in Armenia. You can see that's what Russia's goal was in Ukraine. It was Russia's goal in Georgia. Like, it's how imperialism ******* works. It doesn't have to have an American flag or British flag over it for that to be what it's called. It's genocidal imperialism. And like, if if you're too dumb to *******. Do that. I don't know what else to tell you. Like I I don't know how else these are. Do you need me to draw and ******* crayon? Like, yeah. And I I I think we're both getting angry here, primarily at at groups of people who I don't believe are the the primary listeners that will have on this. Not necessarily, no. But I get it like, no, it's this constant ******* thing you have whenever there's a war anywhere and you are like, well, what is the solution? Well, the people who are the victims need to have access to weapons, right? Yeah. And and if you're and if you're saying, which I agree with, sending in US or whatever troops to ex country usually doesn't work out then. What are the what is the option? Give them ******* weapons. Yeah, and honestly, like, what would make the situation worse if we had American soldiers here? Like, yeah, I mean, I just don't. I just don't think that's a thing that logistically the US military can do. Well, it would never happen. Yeah, but like, yeah, like there's some situations where, yes, military assistance could make a situation worse. Bad things will happen. You cannot deploy large amounts of weapons or soldiers to a specific area without there being some kind of negative effects. However, you have to realistically weigh the good and the bad. Yeah, the the the world military. The allies bombed Germany flat, but they stopped the ******* Holocaust. Yeah, yeah. We blew up a fair amount of people in the 90s. We stopped the genocide like we blew up this **** out of ISIS. And there was also some civilian casualties, which ******* sucked quite a few. You stopped the Yazidi genocide with the assistance of the PKK and the YPG in the PGA like. You cannot unleash military power without the acceptance that innocent people are going to die. The way that you weigh that is more ******* people are going to die if you don't. That's that's I think the key of it and probably the point to close on is that it's not a decision. Do we, do we bring violence to this situation or not the situation the question is. How, how lopsided will the violence be? Will the violence be one state armed by its allies, massacring an under, you know, equipped military and then civilians until there's no one left of the people who inhabited that area? Or will those people have the equipment to defend themselves like that? That's the question. There's no, there's no the situation. The only way for the situation to not be violent is for Azerbaijan to not do what they're doing right now. Right. Umm, and hey, if if some sort of ******* diplomatic pressure works, I will. I will be unbelievably psyched to eat both of our words in this if the if ******* Blinken manages to. I don't. I don't. Yeah, I have no idea. Like how how you actually have an impact here, but that would be lovely. I just don't think it's likely. Yeah, there is. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a time for diplomacy and that time ends when troops attempt to cross the border or they start cluster bombing our cities. Like there's there's a time for diplomacy and. That you can do two things at once. And and to be completely clear, I'm not calling for like, the 101st to ******* land in univan or whatever. Like, I don't want the American military to come here. We'll take care of ourselves, but we need the tools to do so. And yeah, the fact remains is like, you can be vehemently against war. I know I am. I fought in them. They ******* suck. I do not want war to happen to anybody, but when they when it comes talking's over, or at least it it hits the back burner, like there's negotiations. Going on in Ukraine and Russia that we don't hear about, but at the same time, Ukraine knows they have to continue doing violence in the meantime. Like, you can't, you can't just like, whoa guys, let's just hit the brakes and let's like, have a ******* peace conference in Belgium or whatever, like. Is Sunni. It is being bombed. Goris is being bought like Armenians are dying, like there's no words that will fix that, but we'll fix it is ******* artillery systems, himars GPS, guided weapons, ******* body armor. We don't even have first aid kits like there's there's things that we need that can happen. In addition to political pressure, because political pressure is great if we ever have it, but there needs to be something in the meantime. Like the director of Doctors Without Borders one time said something that was incredibly controversial when he said he's a doctor and he runs, you know, a charity, he said you can't stop a genocide with doctors. And he meant that you need to give people ******* weapons because, you know, there's like, like we already said, and then I'll promise I'll stop talking. There's two ways that this ends. We defend ourselves and we survive. Or you sit by and you do nothing, and there's thousands of more graves full of Armenians by the end of this that that's it. I mean, Once Upon a time the world said never again. And that **** has had a big ******** next to it ever since. And people need to prove themselves, need to ******* prove words, actually mean things. If you want to defend democracies and **** like you do in Ukraine, I have a ******* democracy for you to defend. And we need weapons. Yeah, I think that's as good a note as any to end on. Joe Kasabian, host of Lions, led by donkeys, author of the Hooligans of Kandahar. You've got other bunch of other books that have come out now. Yeah, I've the victory of Death series out if you enjoy military sci-fi and I have another one coming out in October called the Frontier Core. You can brew order it now. If you look on my Twitter, you can find the link to preorder it. It's free. If you have Kindle Unlimited, so you know for the ebook. So yeah, also, if you don't feel like giving me money, that's that's great to donate to the Armenian Red Cross. They need it more than I do. Yeah, alright, everybody, that's the episode. My. Football is back, and bet MGM is inviting new customers to join the huddle and enjoy the action like never before. Sign up today using bonus code champion and your first wager is risk free up to $1000. You'll also have instant access to a variety of parlay selection features, player props, and boosted odd specials. Just download the bet MGM app today or go to betmgm.com and enter. 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Hey, welcome to it could happen here podcast about things falling apart and putting them back together. And this is another Andrew episode. So yes, greetings, we have, we have, we have Chris, we have James, we have myself, and we have Andrew, obviously, who I'm going to hand the reins off to. Awesome. So hello again to another episode of. Me talking about. Different stuff. Under. Quite fittingly, considering today is the day that. Queen Elizabeth has. Passed into the pits of Hell we are, we are deeply as as a citizen under the Commonwealth. We are deeply saddened by the loss of the former. Reached out to me today and I am OK guys. That is so funny. Today we will be discussing a current member of the Commonwealth. One of. Quite a few twin Island nations in the Caribbean. That being Antigua and Barbuda and more specifically Barbuda. But it is an example of African resilience. It's an example of a society in touch with this environment. It's an example of the capability of the Commons as an institution. And it's an example of. Sticking it to the Crone to be quite honest with you. Nice. I mean, I'm excited to learn more about that. How have. Yes. So I don't think many people knew about Barbuda and its history. I doubt most people could place it on a map. But. It's. It. It represents quite the interesting story. So to begin, I should probably explain what what is abuda. But it is an island located in the eastern Caribbean, forming part of the sovereign state of Antigua and Barbuda. It's located north of the island of Antigua and it's part of the Leeward Islands of the West Indies. It comprises of about 62 square miles, so it is about 62 square miles, which is 160 kilometers, and it's one of the flattest islands in the Caribbean. It soils are very shallow and in fruits Isle is a very arid. Island with very little rainfall and very frequent droughts. It's scrub wilderness is ruined by deer and pigs and. Descendants of the animals that early European treaters and settlers would have imported. It also has a pre settlement Evergreen woodland that consists of white cedar, turpentine and white wood alongside columnar cactus and thorny shrubs and grassy gleeds and soils that have been another species that have grown up in soil that have been degraded by the clearance of. Charcoal burning and creasing and. Just general human activity. Most barbudans, I would say, engage in shifting cultivation, but none of them are full-time farmers. The countryside is mostly uninhabited because the law required that all Barbarians lived in or near the Islands 1 village, which is Codrington and there. According to the 20 elevens census, there were roughly 1634 people on the island. Of course, that has changed in recent times and we'll get into that shortly. Barbuda is. Yet another example of a distinctive community emerging out of the. Colonial era that swept through the Caribbean. I've mentioned the Maroons before, the different maroon communities that have existed on the different Caribbean islands and in Guyana and Surnam. But I think Bob UDA and their story represents really. The diversity of how colonialism manifested in the region. Fabulous people. Have a sense of identity and attachment to locality. That is, I think. Very distinctive and very. Unique among people of the Caribbean. Not to say that the rest of us don't have a sense of identity or an attachment locality, but their story. And their tradition reaches back over 2 centuries of. Near independence. And. Quite significant levels of autonomy, which was unheard of in most of the Caribbean. Due to the legacy of slavery. Representing a very close knit and traditional community populations approach to using and student resources reflects that long legacy of isolation of ecological constraint being on such a small island of familial closeness, having such a small population and have social interdependence considering the. Series of administrators that they had dealt with, and how each of those administrators neglected or ignored them. Bob Burns, both home and abroad, are still very much attached to their island because. They have long held it in common. Sue? Will be diving into a brief history of exactly how they reached this point. What institutions they've developed for common ownership and communal land use. On how emigration has played a role in that, and unfortunately, how. A combination of Hurricane Irma and the doctrine and the shock doctrine have. Contributed to their current situation. So for more than 200 years from the late 17th century, Barbudo was leased by the Crown to one family, the Carringtons. Hence the name of the village being Quarrington. The original DC was a guy named Christopher Codrington. He was the governor of the Leeward Islands and. His ears lived in England so they pretty much neglected it after he had died. Babuda. Would have supplemented. The lucrative sugar stats that Codrington had in Antigua, with timber and ground provisions and fish and livestock and draft animals. Bob Ubing, surrounded by coral reefs, often had ships wreck near the island, and so they also salvage resources from those ships. And so, as leaders in the 1850s, the Carringtons were getting £4000 a year from Barbuda in stock and £300 a year from salvage and operations on the island. That's just over £643,000 today per year. And it just demonstrates, of course, that even though they were more independent than most other enslaved people because. The island wasn't as profitable. They were still being exploited. Initially. The island was only worked by a few indentured whites. But then when enslaved people were brought in from Africa, the enslaved population began to rise, and they began to establish that sort of culture and community that we see to this day. Because they were neglected, because the island was very little inhabited, they housed and they fed themselves through their own efforts and. We're basically spared of the rigors of the Plantation regiment because. Of how unprofitable the island was because its soils were so sandy and arid and. Unfertile. So between 1800 and 1832. Being free in many respects, Probably's population was able to rise from 300 to 500. And they built a cohesive Creole community whose solidarity was able to thwart the efforts of local overseers and absentee proprietors to try to get them to labor on antigona states or to get them to be more quote UN quote productive for their. Overseers. Because they had such a several 100 strong community on that island that had established itself for generations. No overseer, no manager could just pull up in there and just say try and choose them into doing what he wanted them to do. This is in stark contrast to a lot of the other Caribbean islands, where managers and overseers had a lot more presence and a lot more power to destroy families, to split up communities, to foment divisions, because the island just they'd basically neglected it. And in that neglect they took advantage of that neglect of the material conditions that created that neglect, to strengthen their community bonds and to strengthen their autonomy. As emancipation came around, Quarrington himself even was like. Wow, good for them. Pretty much because. Almost all of them were like, to quote him directly, one United family so attached to barbudo that force alone or extreme drought can alone take them from that island. In other words, as an expletive, as a displaced indigenous African people, they reforge their connection to the new land that they inhabited. And. Rooted themselves in that land. One particular tradition they have is the burial of ones umbilical cord on the island itself. And so that's been going on for generations, where they have a new child is born and the umbilical cord is buried on the island. And so even rambutans move abroad, they still have that strong tie to the island itself. So after emancipation ruled around in 1834, probably don't. Life didn't change that much, that the transition from slavery to being free was not as abrupt or as consequential as it was in other parts of the Caribbean. They then become land owners. They didn't necessarily get any political power automatically, because probably there was still being assigned to crown leases which had. Sitting. Agreements and contracts in place with the Crown, that kind of thing, but. They were. I mean, there would still be an exploited, but. Things were a bit easier for them to transition compared to other places. In 1835, agreements had secured Bobby Denny's employment on Carrington Empress Enterprises at specific rates APY, but after the contract had lapsed, it really, really rooted to a sort of a relationship of of coercion. They wouldn't pay them, they wouldn't see them there wages. They would take quote UN quote recalcitrant barbudans and transport them to antigen jails or plantations and. They would continue to just siphon off the island. One of the only exports really on the island at the time was cattle. Mostly for Carringtons estates and Antigua cattle, sheep and firewood. And the people themselves were engaged in cultivation provisions, yams, potatoes, corn and supplying their own, you know, farm industry, their own including. There's the necessities. So appearance would continue with their different occupations, their hunting, and they're fishing there. Provision tending they're cutting wood and burning charcoal and salvaging wrecks. Sometimes they would be employed by proprietors with governments, but. Most times they either disregarded these authorities or acted in open defiance, and so each into the state would often complain about populations and their disregard for. The crowns property and the estates property they would often be accused of poaching cognisance cattle and so they were. There was one attempt in particular to seize all their guns and send them off of the Ireland. And so when the government did step in and. Condemned barbudans for. You know, taking cattle when they wanted to see cattle barbudans basically pulling in reverse card and demanded redress against interference with their livelihoods. They basically were like. I'll call it 1 petition that was written by Bob Adams in 1869. We are deprived of the use of our firearms, whereby most of us live in shooting any large fish, turtle or wild birds. We are told to take out licences. Yet if we are seen with a gun not even shooting, we are taken before the magistrate of Antigua and courts and severely punished. Punished for it. Our little gardens are gone to waste and if such as are still in a little cultivation, was to be injured by weather and we by sickness are not able to have the fences repaired directly. It is taken and groomed, saying our intention is willing to catch the wild. He submits to carringtons. Eventually, I guess the Codrington's got. Tired of having to. Not profit as well as they could have of having to deal with these independent people they relinquished on their lease in 1870. They took all their horses and cattle off the island, leaving only the deer and sheep because currently round up there and sheep as effectively at that at that point and they basically they left. And I was find it interesting when Europeans bring like a bunch of European animals wherever they go. It's like, let me just go and set up an estate here in the middle of nowhere and introduce a bunch of deer and sheep and rabbits and stuff. I mean, I think it happened in Australia as well. They just let a bunch of rabbits just go loose just for hunting. It's like, oh, let me like. Get a hobby that's not shooting animals. But anyway. So because Barbuda was seen as unprofitable, each leisy that, you know got their lease from the crown, got to its resources as much as they could, and neglected its inhabitants. William and Robert dugall. Of William and Robert Dugas, Bobbidi Island Company never invested the annual 1.5 or 1500 pounds required by the lease or lease 700 pounds rather than their promised 6000 worth of stock, which produced with barely, with barely a score of errands employed as crusius. And even though they allegedly attempted to plant certain coffee cooler, cuckoo and other fruits. They neglected that too. And eventually in 1898 a derelict barbudo was forfeited to the crown for non payment of rent. When a government official visited the island, we found the deer were almost exterminated. The satin wooden log were depleted, the cattle were famished, the fences were in disrepair, they had four men to round up about eight 100 horses, 80 cattle and and a bunch of cows, and the two paddocks that exist on the island had long since become filthy and variously overgrown not only with Bush but dense thickets. Doctor Dugal's Gunners also apparently had a really bad sense of aim because a lot of the fences were just riddled with bullets. And so because the island and the people would starve and degraded by the decals, the colonial office had, you know, revoked their lease. And basically excuse the few villagers who are Tika and some of the cattle for themselves. Bobby Ryan said, well, so protested the fact that whenever these leases would pull up on the island. They would always be taking their stock, closing their provision grounds, threatening to evict them. Basically doing everything they could to. Be hostile towards people on the island and to only their own traditional hunting and farming and. And stuff enabled Barbudans to survive. Of course government, being the government, didn't really care what the people that much, so even though the leaseholders were gone. Didn't really get much out of it, the people that is. So then after the determination of the lease. The colonial government. Leeward Islands colonial government in Antigua basically took over the island. And the established government Stock Farm, 1901, some cotton plots in 1903. They gave some grants to people fencing and cutting wood and cutting experiments and cattle purchases and mule breeding and. The Bobby runs took the government greens and lands for their own purposes. And basically enclosed a portion of that land. And left it. For the government stock, and left the rest of the pasture the richest parts of the pasture for their own horses and cattle and donkeys. So while. The government had to deal with like this small portion of land with like some very weak. Insufficient medal. The rest of the community was able to flourish with a nice rich pasture for their cattle. And still, Despite that the stock form, the government stock form still flourished, with 161 horses, 108 cattle and five mules by 1905. And Cotton, surprisingly, also became profitable on the island. Umm. A crop that really didn't flourish there at all during slavery was now starting to pick up in the beginning of the early 20th century. He began shipping cotton notes and employing a bunch of buttons and. Now Barbudo is being seen as a super profitable please. However. Because of that cotton boom. Bobby Guns were able to buy passage overseas. They were able to raise their standard of living and. It ended up causing a labor shortage. That led to conflict. After a shipwreck off the island in 1915, the island manager. Went to check out what was going on with the salvage and and he caught a bunch of barbudans salvaging. But salvaging for their own profit instead of his profits, and so in retaliation in retaliation for him trying to stop them from salvaging for themselves the barbudans. Burned his boat and his wagon. And so, in retaliation for that, the Governor of Antigua decided to impose these previously unenforced rents on cultivated plots. So, like, he wants to charge like 5 shillings per echo per year, and he also doubled animal head taxes. And so by introducing these taxes, introducing these rents, the government was basically trying to get not just to punish the people. For, you know, daring to be free, but also trying to force them to work on their cotton plantation. Of course, Bobby Downs, having lived so freely for so long, didn't want to work on these cotton plantations, especially not after slavery. And so. The people petitioned the crown against this kind of semi intentioned suits you that the governor was trying to introduce. And. It seems that Mother Nature was on their side because they won their case due to drought. All the crops were basically ruined by drought. Cutting on cotton profits, cutting on cattle profits, cutting on crop on on corn profits. And all this happened in 1916 and then in 1922. Barbuda was hit by a hurricane. More severe than they've ever seen before. And so. That brief period where Barbudo was seen as. Strike and called for. The government came to an end. And Bobby Dunn's continued to cling on to their customary motor subsistence, of self-reliance, of survival, of their plots and their livestock and their fishing grounds, of continuing to be their own masters, because 250 years of experience had taught them how unreliable and exploitative all these other alternatives that. Bosses or non natives that the government was trying to introduce. Woo. To them. And they learned that only ownership in common would guarantee their access and guarantee the protection of their island from environmental exploitation. As we get to the interesting part. Because they had already long thought to themselves as owners of the island, as possessing the island for themselves, even though in on people it wasn't the case, even though on people they were being handled between the Crown and the different leaseholders that the Crown would introduce. Barbuda. 2 barbudans. Being so small, being so homogeneous, having such. Mega soils having such. Strong and tight connections and bonds. They saw it as all of theirs, collectively. It wasn't like. And when I say strong connections, family bonds, I don't mean to sense that. Some of the other. And lands in the Caribbean and we're sort of parceled out because in the Caribbean there are lands that are held by certain families and it passes down the family and it's going on for generations, but. It wasn't this idea that all of these particular families owned the land, it was that all of them together. Own the land. Serious, real communal land ownership. They'd used land for generations to. Reese growing provisions to hunt deer and wild pigs, to keep goats and sheep, to keep cattle, to cut, firewood, to fish, and so on. They had no documents and said that they had these collective rights in the island, and yet they all insisted with one voice that Arbuda was theirs alone. No outsiders could tell them otherwise. And furthermore, they had proven again and again and again. That outside proprietors would pull us in the feast of their attempts to run the island for themselves, because they would continue to graze their cattle wherever they wanted to graze their cattle. They would continue to fish wherever they wanted to fish, salvage whatever they wanted to salvage, cultivate wherever they wanted to cultivate. Who's gonna stop them? You know, clearly nobody. They couldn't even get outsiders. Couldn't even get like a rent out of. Barbudans. So A1920 barbudans had gotten legal entitlement to roughly half of the island. And. By 1983, they controlled futilely all of its resources. Basically de facto. Unfortunately. Against their will, honestly. Antigua and Barbuda were joined together by including administrators, and so until you and Roberta is the country that exists. City. But one of the primary concerns of Albuns. Were that they were able, were that they be able to maintain soul ownership. So we'll control soul, you know, control over the lands of Barbuda. Landon worship has been an issue that Barbudans have had with Antigua for a very, very long time now. For decades now and. Really, all barbudans one is to maintain their common ownership for themselves saloon. And so they have maintained that through the BARBARAN Council. Defending the land and declaring that no land in Barbuda can be sold or developed without. The permission of the Barbadian Council. And so don't explain basically how common land use works in Barbuda. There are two distinctive and useful moods of land use shifting cultivation for provision grounds and open range pasturage for livestock. Because the soil is so weak, shifting cultivation is a necessity. And so, after one or two years of planting exhausted soil, they moved their fencing. They move their grounds of between half an acre to two or three acres. And plants. They are sweet potatoes, yams, Meyers beans, pigeon peas, squash, peanuts, etc. Elsewhere, so the old land could, you know. Regenerate. But this constant cultivation is something that occurs. The grounds really no permanent rights. Anyone individual. You do have use rights. It's the principle of usufruct. Over the year, you're cultivating, but you don't have permanent ownership over that piece of land that you're cultivating. And they have that system in place because they recognize living on the island for these generations, that while budas ecology is extremely fragile, extremely limited. It's resources are limited. And so they have to safeguard. Their. Their sustenance for generations to come. Yeah, it's fascinating, actually. That's why I didn't know anything about that. Yeah, yeah, it really is. Similarly with them with the slash and burn cultivation, they also had the management of open range livestock being. Very much unrestricted. They're actually feral cattle that exists on the island, in addition to the more teamed and penned animals. And so how they basically they allow all their animals to, you know, mix and mingle. Of different families, different individuals would. Have their specific cattle or horses or sheep or whatever earmarked or branded, but for the most part. They they've maintained this sort of open range husbandry because it helps to sustain their unity. It helps to maintain their and strengthen their social bonds and their community solidarity. To basically ensure that everyone is taken care of in a place that is so scant of resources. And lastly. Through one of the ways that meant in the. Balance of the island is through is through emigration. The population is basically stayed at that level because. They stayed within the limits of the resources they have on the island. And so. Young Bob, you don't have had to leave. The island. While still maintaining their communal use rights to the land. And then eventually they would make remittances of money or resources and periodic returns that would help to introduce, you know. Healthcare resources and housing resources and education resources to the island. It's just another day, like completely isolated from the outside world, living in this sort of bubble. They do still have that exchange going on. Most of the immigrants live in three primary communities, St. John's, Antigua. Of course, seeing as their neighbor, a lot of them are in New York City. I mean, a lot of Caribbean people in general are in New York City, but barbudans are in New York City and all of them also live in Britain in Lancaster. As part of the West Indian exodus that took place holding back in the late 1950s. Yeah. So to sort of wrap things up here. That communities and their solidarity have allowed them to cope with the harsh environment and to. Successfully navigate a succession of. Misinformed, aloof, sometimes actually hostile and. Mostly incompetent proprietors, managers and administrators. Being so unified and holding themselves in solidarity, they have managed to maintain their traditional resource ownership, their communal land tenure, and their fragile ecology. Completely and totally. Rejecting the assertions that. The Economist Garrett Hardin made about the tragedy of the Commons. It has not been a tragedy for barbudans, it has been a triumph. Until recently. Unfortunately, in September 2017, Hurricane Irma damaged and destroyed within 95% of the island's buildings and infrastructure, and as a result all of the islands inhabitants had to evacuate Antigua, leaving Barbuda Mt for the first time in hundreds of years. Wow. I mean, two years later, by February 2019, most of the residents have returned to the island. However. The Prime Minister of Antigua. Gaston Alfonso Brown. He's been leader since 2014. Has been making moves, essentially. To privatize. Barbuda. His background before entering politics was. Being a banker and a businessman and. He seems to be employing the shock doctrine tactic of using environmental catastrophe and social displacement to accelerate capitalism. Essentially, after, you know, Hurricane Irma swept through and posted residents became homeless, the communication systems came that went went down. And he probably got relief £120,000 of relief for Barbuda. Umm. It's not very much. Not very much at all. Umm. But. It would take over $100 million to rebuild the homes and the infrastructure in Barbuda. The only critical infrastructure that existed the food supply, the medicine, the shelter, electricity, water, communications, waste management. And. As one person said. Directive Antigua and Barbuda's National Office of Disaster Services Film on Mullen, he said. In my 25 years of disaster management, I've never seen something like this. It is optimistic to think anything like this could be rebuilt in six months. They have to rebuild entirely while they're Public Utilities. Umm. And so essentially what? Prime Minister Gaston Alfonz, who Brown is trying to do, is. Revoke. Communal land ownership. Allow the residents to buy some land. And. Use the rest to basically introduce. Resorts and hotels and other. Tourist. Attractions. To help fund the rebuilding efforts, but of course. We know where that money is actually going to go. And that's as far as I know about the situation. Unfortunately, I don't have any connections in Antigua and Barbuda yet. Umm. But. Unfortunately, that is what has been going on, and another example, basically of disaster capitalism trying to. Sees and. Accumulate through violence. And. Direct exploitation, as usual. I hope that you know, we've seen and been inspired by Bobby's efforts and I hope that. Robbins able to continue to prove themselves resilient. In the face of this disaster. That's fascinating. And do you know, like, I'm interested in these like diasporic communities? Like you said, there's one in Leicester and stuff. Like, do they still have like a very strong Community coherence, like when they when they go elsewhere and. Two like did like you said, they tend to gather in like certain spots I'd be interested in, like how those folks. I guess dealt with a very different life in like New York or Leicester or wherever. Right well. Like other Caribbean people who have emigrated, we do tend to concentrate in certain places where we already have family connections. I think most Caribbean people have at least a relative living abroad. And uncle, Great uncle, second cousin or cousin, whatever. And so. It sort of builds from there and so you try and basically create like a piece of home and sort of settle and concentrate in those areas and live in those areas and support each other in those areas. And that I would see helps with the adjustment. Yeah, yeah. That that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so you can find me on youtube.com/andresson. On patreon.com/centro and on twitter.com/underscore C true if you are Bob Udon, please don't hesitate to reach out to me. I would love to learn more about the situation going on and wish all the best solidarity forever. Football is back, and bet MGM is inviting new customers to join the huddle and enjoy the action like never before. 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We can change that now. My question is, James, is that legal in the UK now? Absolutely not. No. You will get so arrested. Not even arrested. This is the worst part. People have. Just like, I don't understand what the **** is wrong with people. They have become volunteer cops to, like, defend a guy who's been credibly accused of pedophilia. And I I'm disappointed in us. Like, do not be policing your fellow people for exercising some of the very few rights that the conservative while the Conservative Party has taken away from the mentally. But yeah, you've only let yourself down. I'm disappointed. Yeah, they they they really, really hating anyone who is not thrilled about the monarchy. Yeah, they're arresting people for having not my king signs. I see that Jedward is taking it to the fascist state, which is great to see, but so we're going to be talking about the Queen or former former queen. I do want to do want to note that, you know, the day the queen died, a big wave of condolences came in, including from Domino's Pizza. OK, wow. Which which I if you don't understand, the queen had a very deep relationship with Domino's, so this this does mean a lot. They were, they were, they were lovers. Among those who posted their condolences was Hamilton West End. That's the the the the Britain RMT, which is like the the British Railway Union, stopped their strike, which I think is the most **** Ant coward thing I've ever seen in union do. British Cycling suggested that people not go out for a bike ride during the time of the Queen's funeral. You ******* serious? My God. Yeah, they're they're literally she was 96. Deal with they're closing food. I I think the funniest one was Les Miserables. Posted. Everyone is deeply saddened by the passing of Her Majesty the Queen and we offer our sincere condolences to the royal family. We joined together with the people of the United Kingdom and all around the world and mourning her loss, which they then which they then deleted an hour later. If there's one thing that Mr Robb is about, it's about. People all over the world mourning the loss of monarchy. It's the main thing about it, so yeah, most of. On Twitter was definitely, it was definitely split between these companies posting how they're so sad that also a lot of people pretty, pretty thrilled that the Queen died because it's kind of funny because we were all shocked by the 9596 year old woman who died. She was so young. It's amazing she was. She was at an age that if you reversed her age and told me she had died, I still wouldn't have been surprised like she was at an age where, like, even if you flip the numbers, she's still old. She's still. Yeah. It is great to see the Telegraph today. Running a headline five mile queue to view Elizabeth seconds Coffin will see horrible stories of suffering. What? This is a country where she will not be able to heat their homes this winter. It's a country we've seen good and explosion in food insecurity. And this is what we're doing. Yeah. It's like, like the, the, the, the, the British. Like, OK, so the crown did not call directly for a blood sacrifice. The British people are just bound and determined to have people die. Like they they are like, they're like they're lining up in the streets to sacrifice themselves for the dead. It is a, I mean, magical thing. Don't do us all that way. There's some people sharing up with not my king signs and getting assaulted by mobs. And for the record, those people just like regular as people. Yeah, yeah, most people are not that concerned. Most people are not like, it's just like the turfs in Britain. There are like a small minority of people who do nothing but tweet right for the Guardian, who misrepresent the opinions of most British people who are not that concerned, but like a lot of these British people. Show up in person and like, shut down. Like, yes, it's certainly it is not. It is not the case that, like, there isn't widespread support for this kind of ****. It's just that it's it's not uniform and that people who do speak, the people who do speak up also tend to get arrested, which is like, it's it's sort of amazing. It's like, OK, Britain got industrial capitalism before like any other country on Earth, right? The bourgeoisie has one job, one job. They're one job is to destroy feudalism. And they could, even the British couldn't do it. They had they had the largest head start of any country on Earth and they couldn't do it. It's incredible. It's miraculous. They were Co opted into these feudal elites through things like the Great Reform Act, which which use property as a as a proxy for land or capital as a proxy for land. And it's worked remarkably well. And now we just do false consciousness **** like this. Like how good is your false consciousness game when people who can't heat their homes are sleeping on the street to say goodbye? Presumably a billionaire who never cared about them. Like, yeah, it's like regular. Yeah, who? Absolutely. Who was not equipped emotionally to have ever cared about them, who's like, soul would never have allowed her to care about them. Yeah, let's let's like, you know, as as lots of people were romanticizing the the monarchy and the queen and doing their, like, performative mornings, obviously there was a way of other people being like, hey, you know, the royal family is kind of, kind of ****** **. Yeah, you know, they've stolen billions of dollars. And jewels from countries like India and and across South Africa. They're continuing to benefit from Britain's history of colonialism. Earlier earlier this year, during the during the during the the Queen's Jubilee celebration, an old Kenyan revolutionary fighter used the used the the occasion to call for an explanation from the Queen for why she hasn't been compensated after being tortured with axes by British troops. People should look at the way Britain treated the maumau. And we will have stuff on this. I have stuff on this later for this episode. Actually, we'll be talking about that. A 2017 estimate found that the royal family is estimated to be worth $88 billion. Yeah, and a lot of that's obviously not in straight up cash, which is one of the ways, like, people are talking about. Oh, Charles inherited half a billion. No, Charles inherited 10s of billions of dollars. Yeah, like they they own a lot of land. Yes, they own a huge amount of land. Charles has his own real estate empire that he like created while he was waiting for his mom to ******* croak. And they also have like a fortune and a really, actually uncountable, like, you have to think about their wealth like the Vatican. Like, there's no actual weight. Like, it's functionally limitless money because so much of what they own is like priceless antiquities, many of which were stolen from other people. Yeah. And it's hard to to put a tangible number on their sort of their value and their sort of, whatever. You want to call it, a celebrity status. Yes. Yeah. What is that ******* diamond in the *** **** crown worth? Right. Like, there's no real way to appraise that. Yeah. Well, and I want to point this out. Like, if they tried to sell the diamond, almost certainly what would happen is, like, the British people would give her $3 billion in the gift for the Diamondback. Yeah, they crowdfund it. Yeah. They'd stop doing the subsidies for heating that they've just started doing and by the dimmer backing. Let's talk about that. Actually, let's let's talk about the heating thing briefly because I think an anchor on BBC was discussing how news of the Queen's passing basically interrupted all other news in the UK, including statements being given on the 80% price increase in energy bills and the rising cost of living by stating that that those topics, that the topics of cost of living. And the rising energy bills was quote insignificant. Now, due to the gravity of this situation, we can we can insert this clip here. I have. I have it saved for Daniel because just it's wild. Doctors in Scotland were concerned about the Queen's health coming as Liz Trust was making a rather important statement concerning the future of energy bills. That of course insignificant now given the gravity of the situation we seem to be experiencing. With Her Majesty, an old lady died. She was not a very nice old lady. I've known old ladies who were nice that died and I was sad. I've known old ladies who were night, night not nice that died and I didn't really care. In any case, like, it's it's not it's not a big deal because old people like that's what human beings do when they reach 96 is they die a lot of the time. And it's it's OK. Like, it's OK queen. Outside of everything about her, it's fine. Queen Elizabeth was the longest reigning monarch. In the history of Britain, yeah, probably close to the longest. And like maybe Ramseys, the ******* second is up there like 69 years. You don't run into a lot of competition in terms of length of rain, 70 years, 70 years. She ended the throne in 1952. Yeah, and it's worth noting a lot of old ladies going to die in Britain this winter because of this. And it's it's also worth noting that the Queen tried to use a bunch of state poverty money that was earmarked for schools, hospitals and low income families to pay Buckingham Palace's heating bill. Oh, wow. Huh. Yeah, yeah, that's that's wild. Wouldn't want an old woman like that to be out of out in the rain. That's where you're wrong, because I believe the Crown estates and I'll have to check this real quickly. I believe the Crown estates did evict people during the COVID-19 pandemic, talking of all folks being kicked out into the rain. Woo, so wow. And for for around two weeks after the Queen's death, basically all of Britain kind of grinds to a halt. Which would mean, honestly, one of the best parts about this is that this does potentially cost the UK economy billions of dollars because they just shut down for two weeks. So this is like the equivalent of the boat getting stuck in the canal just dying. I do want to I do want to make a quick note for everybody. The longest reigning verifiable monarch according to this Wikipedia page that I just skimmed is Sobhuza, the second of Swaziland, which was a British protectorate until 1968. He reigned from 1899 to August of 1982. Two years. So you know what, Elizabeth? Not that impressive. I am a sobhuza the second stand now. Absolute Chad ****. The fact that he just sniffed it before he got to see apartheid end very hard, that is. That is a bummer. Yeah, yeah. So wow. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's looking at some of the the evictions of crown of states have done over the years. You can look those up. It's pretty heartbreaking ****. Well, look, luckily the queen actually did not die in Buckingham Palace. She died in a castle in in in Scotland. That's great because Buckingham Palace is a hideous monument of trash. Like I ******* the castle. She died. It looks pretty cool. One thing that's, yeah, one thing you're supposed to get with the monarchy is like really rad looking castles. It is like neat. The castles are cool, except for Buckingham Palace, which looks like ******* tenements. Yeah, so booking at Palace is a building that dares you to go steal back all of the wealth that they stole from you to build it. Yeah. So the the the plan for if the queen died in this Scottish castle was called Operation Unicorn, which is wild. No one can get is what is the Unicorn are you a 96 year old woman dying is not a Unicorn situation operation squirrel or something more how how is this giving a couple their third? I don't get it I know. So the the the plan for this type of thing is so the the Queen died on last Thursday afternoon. It was announced the Friday following Friday morning after the Queen dies they call Operation Unicorn. They then call they send like emergency alerts to all the British. Readers. Well, the, the, the, the new Prime Minister, who is incredibly funny. And, you know, all of all these people are notified. And then press press gets notified that next morning as as as they did so, staff members in the castles and palaces all got sent home. All parliamentary business gets postponed. Everything, everything shuts down. Which means all of the stuff they were working on on energy bills gets shut down like they were working on trying to figure out what the **** they're going to do for this 80% cost increase. All that gets shut down until late September. So that's that's cool. But no, this is actually kind of a unique thing because because of how long Elizabeth reigned, the last death of a monarch was in the 50s. So it's it's been a while since this has happened, so everyone's kind of rusty. Like no like if we aren't as prepared for this, if if it's OK, my my hope is that we get a couple of we get a lot of people get a lot of experience with dead British monarchs in the next decade. Because King Charles the third. I don't think we'll be around for too long. Yeah, I've seen that man's hands. And it's. I mean, here's the thing, right every every time a monarch dies, it's kind of it's like a top down, rolling general strike. So if we get enough of them in a row, we can start doing serious damage to British capital. By the way, quick, quick note about the Chad Sobhuza, the second of Swaziland died, died with 1000 grandchildren. Oh my God, Jesus Christ. Jesus. Wow, man. And always pictured shirtless. Elizabeth has cannot compete. No, I'm fine with that not being the case. Actually, I don't want to see any competition there. And he probably wasn't racist to any of their partners, which no actually can say about the real families. He here's a neat thing, he and he, he took all control of all non or of all Swazi land and mineral rights from non Swazi interests that had gained control during colonialism and indigenized all of that. Which is dope. So there you go. So booze are the ************* second. Yeah, we call it a God king. I have to go and get injected with a small dose of a disease. Well, cut everything, but inject it. And that, Chris, hey, Daniel's back, so let's take an ad break and we'll be back to learn more about the queen. You know what else will give you a small dose of a disease? That's right. That's right. Yes. These products and services. Yeah, I'll just say the Queen of England. But the queen. Yeah. So true, isn't it? Yeah. And we're back. So yeah, been a while since since the monarch died. Last time this happened in the 50s, mourners wore black arm bands to show respect for King George. The that's the one who was like a big fan of Nazis, right? But I don't, I don't think we're going to see. So I I don't think that tradition is going to continue. I doubt we're going to see a wave of black arm bands. If anyone was going to do it, it would probably be the anglos. Yeah, I I suppose so. Yeah, it's a Oh yeah, it was Edward, Edward the 8th who abdicated and and then was replaced by the guy who you were talking about. OK, that's the guy who like Nazis. Edward the 8th. So all, all, all, all, all the UK flags are going to be flown at half mast until the day of the funeral, and then the day of the funeral is gonna be a bank holiday as well. So that's pretty exciting. Right. I hope that the poor get to eat sweet meats or something provided by the crown. No, no, no. Again, they're they're just closing down almost all this. Almost all businesses, almost all businesses in the UK will close. The Stock Exchange is going to close. Like on on following President Princess Diana's death in the late 90s Britain business owners in Britain quote felt that they were quote forced to close their shops or canceled sporting, sporting events the day of the funeral lest they feel the rage of the tear stained horns outside UN quote. Yeah that's an incredible that is an incredibly funny way to talk about monarchist though. Like thank you thank thank you the Guardian for that amazing quote. Unbelievable, I mean, and at least with Diana it was actually sad, like she was a nice person who was badly treated in her life by the royal family and died tragically and young, as opposed to somebody who got everything they want from the day they were born and died at 96. So then currently they are assembling the quote Ascension Council to formally declare a Prince Charles the King, which he's he's already known as King Charles. But you know, there's the whole separate formal process because he could pick another name still he says he's not. He says he's so he's he's confirmed that good because Kings, Kings Charles have a good history in the UK they don't often get executed. So the the Council will make the proclamation of Ascension to be to be read on Proclamation Day will be to be soon after the death, and that'll be somewhere, somewhere in London. Have all this **** like there's so many weird rituals that they still do. Both Houses of Parliament are suspended, are suspended until after the official state funeral, and both and and all politicians have to wear new allegiance to the to the newly ascended monarch. This is really, like, genuinely the world's most pathetic ruling class. Like, Oh my God. Jesus Christ, it's pretty funny. You are the Bush, was he? You have one job. Well, but also, like back in the day before we had monarchs and capitalism, whenever, you know you had a new coronation, whenever there was something big that happened with the monarchy, the thing they would do is make sure everybody had a **** load of food and nice stuff. The The the King would give it away. It's all over the world. Cultures would do this even though you do this. Yeah, it's what you do when you come to power because they were at least that scared. Of the people where it's like, alright, I gotta, like, do something to ring in this rain. Good. So they don't start to wonder, why do we have a king now? So I'm going to give him a bunch of ******* food and then they'll be like, oh, the king, he's the guy who gives us food every now and then. That's dope. It's amazing now that in the UK it's just like, all right, we've got a new monarch and the old one died. So you guys, a lot of you don't get to eat for a while. So King C73 is the oldest person in British history to become king, which is, I think, a great sign. Very unsure abuse of the second of him and then we're also getting a new queen, technically the Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, which again all this sounds made-up is, is now, is, is now the Queen consort, so that's exciting. That's thrilling. I'm, I'm, I'm thrilled for Queen Camilla. I it is the Duchess of Cornwall. Are you kidding me? So, and Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth's coffin is is being prepared to to lie in state, meaning it'll be presented for the public to view. So they can cry on the coffin, which is pretty cool. Oh, or cry near the coffin. They don't want the poorest to get too close. Oh God. Meanwhile, so booze at the second turned Swaziland into a major asbestos exporter, which Queen Elizabeth also never did. So wait, so when? When? When? When the queen dies, do they like from, like, do they, like, preserve for from aldehyde or whatever? Or do they? Yeah, they've got some fancy. They they are. They have some fancy *** **** because they were probably embalming her while she was alive. Yeah, just as her limbs stopped working, squirting some in the Queen's. Body will lie in state until the day of the funeral, which will then become a public holiday. There's at least a 10 day mourning period starting the day after her death, and then she'll be transported to Weymouth to Westminster Abbey by gun carriage for the state funeral. And then after the funeral she'll be she'll be buried in the King George, the sixth memorial Chapel. I believe her. The body of her late husband, Prince Philip, who died last year, will be moved from the vault that he's currently at to beneath the Chapel to join her. So that's pretty funny. Yeah. I don't know nothing to say about that, other than it's funny that they've just got that dude in a ******* freezer. It's really funny. And the new coronation will cost billions of pounds. Oh good, that's a good thing, because England's, like doing great right now. They've got plenty of money for all the necessities, you know. Everything's been going well, trades great, cost of Living's really down. So it's it's a good idea to spend billions of dollars making a little death cult about this elderly woman. That's good. Just like the last like big. Royal wedding cost between 1.2 billion and £6 billion, which is quite, quite the quite the spectrum of there one 1.2 to 6 billion. That's like, huh? I feel like at that point all money's fake. Like the cost of the coronation is expected to be similar, if not a little bit higher. So great. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta spend a lot of money on a coronation for ******* Charles so that you can, because that's what real countries do in 2022, that's. Very real country ****. Speaking of money, a new currency is already being printed. And in fact, Ohh that'll that'll be cheap though. And in fact a portraits of Charles have already been made on currency. There's like a reserve of money depicting the next king, just like that's being stored to like move it in for when for when the queen died. It's like they already had lots of this money saved. Just like how funny it would have been if like six months before this happened, his 72 year old. Has had a heart attack. You have to, like, burn all of that money. Yeah, they've gotta burn all the Charles Bucks. He's not gonna be around long. I will see. Think that's funny, rice? That Britain no longer has the world's reserve currency. Like, Can you imagine? No, we we took on on this network, on our various shows, we we spend a lot of time digging into ugly aspects of American history and American culture. But let's all celebrate one thing that I'm legitimately proud of, which is that a long time ago, people here were like. That seems stupid to let those though that family run everything. Why are we, why are we doing that? Let's get those ******* out of here. At least we did that. Although now a bunch of Americans are being ******* boot lickers too. And in Oregon and a bunch of other states, we're putting this flags at half staff which, like, do you not know why this country exists? This is the one base thing we did. Yeah, like even the US, which like probably has the most murderous bourgeoisie in human history. At least we did our bourgeois revolution, damn it. Like at least we destroyed feudalism. So now we're going to move on to the next segment of the show entitled an incomplete list of the politicians, warmongers, generals and otherwise ******** who Queen Elizabeth the second bestowed awards. So I have, I have quite the collection of people here. Let's let's start with Palestine. So Shimon Perez served as president and Prime Minister of Of of Israel. He got a Nobel Peace Prize in like, the 90s for an intern. They steal that like failed and in the long run to turn into an actual treaty. Assassinated? No, I don't think, I don't think that was Rabin. I think Robin and Robin was the one who you could argue might have deserved an award. But Perez is kind of known as more of like a peaceable leader. He's like compared to some of his like colleagues, you know, specifically with like the various ethnic cleansings that they do in Palestine. Perez has kind of seen as like the good, the good guy and then in the mid 90s. He was facing a major right wing backlash in his home over over the peace deal with the Palestinians and in the middle of an election campaign which he was kind of losing. So during this time, he unleashed a operation, Grapes of Wrath, which caused 400,000 Lebanese to flee their homes, with almost 800 of them fleeing into a United Nations base in Quanah, I believe it's called in South, in South Lebanon. And she didn't really stop there. In order to kind of appease the right, and Al Jazeera calls it in. In an attempt to shore up his military credentials before a general election, which he then lost to Benjamin Netanyahu, he ordered the army to strike this UN shelter, killing 102 civilians, mostly women and children. At the time of the attack, Perez said that in my opinion, everything was done according to clear logic and in a responsible way. I am at peace. Perez said that the compound had been hit due to an incorrect targeting based on erroneous data, but the United Nations investigations found it unlikely that the shelling was unintentional because they were severing the area heavily beforehand. So he did. He did. He did. This massacre, killed like 100 a 100 people to boost his polls for the right wingers in this election. November 2008 Queen Elizabeth awarded him with an honorary knighthood. He was knighted in the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Michael and Saint George, and during his knighthood, like that day, Perez spoke to the queen about the escalating Israeli Palestine conflict, saying that quote the British learned from the Bible and we learned from the British democracy. Earlier that year, IDF launched Operation Hot Winter military campaign targeting the Gaza Strip in response to a series of Hamas rockets that killed one. 47 year old Israeli student which that attack was in response to the AIDS killing eight Hamas members earlier that month. But during during the IDs Operation Hot Winter, 110 Palestinians were killed, 54 of them were children. And then a month, just one month after Perez was knighted, the 2008 Gaza war broke out, also known as the Gaza massacre, and that was started by the IDF who called it Operation Cast Lead a three-week large scale military. Campaign in the Gaza Strip. The massacre resulted in like 1400 Palestinian deaths and 13 Israeli deaths. 4 from friendly fire. So it's just a massacre. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So that that. That was like a few weeks after after Queen Elizabeth knighted, knighted the then President of of of Of of Israel who previously served as the Prime Minister. Just more of like a real role. Anyway, moving on to more fun people. Uh, 1989, Queen Elizabeth awarded Ronald Reagan with an honorary knighthood. That's good. Now, thankfully, the way Honorary Knight knighthoods work is you don't become a Sir because Sir is a title reserved for people from Britain. I'm not mistaken. You can't hold office in the United States if you are a knight. Oh, I wouldn't. I think it's an old rule we have. Yeah, I reading something about that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think, isn't it? No, it's not in the Constitution. But there's something about. Yeah, yeah, but it's a it's a even though, you know, you can't become a Sir because you're not from Britain. You OK? Here we go. No title of nobility. This is Article 1, section 9, clause eight of the Constitution isn't constitution. Yeah. No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office or title, of any kind whatsoever from any king, Prince or foreign state. Fascinating. Yeah. So, like, again, the people who made this country, for all of their flaws, looked at the British monarchy and we're like, that's ******* nuts. They didn't. Yeah, well, yeah, because because because because Reagan was was night, it was received on every knighthood. The one benefit he does get is that at dinner parties, Reagan was able to sit closer to the queen than the United former presidents. That's good. I'm glad that. We have to, like, honestly, look, again, I hate that, like, I'm coming across as like, America flex ****. But I feel like any President of the US should be able to pull up Riker style, flip a chair around, sit down next to her and say, look, we've been pulling your *** out of the fire for the last century. Like, you don't get to ******* make me sit somewhere. I'm the President of the United States and you're a doddering old queen of a ******* third rate power. I hate that I just went like, full ******* whatever there. But honestly, that's ******* ridiculous. Yeah, it's like, like maybe, maybe maybe the only country ever that the US gets moral superiority over. Like it's like it's the British Empire. Like, don't you don't? Like what? Seriously, lady? Unbelievable. The one other president who was knighted was George HW Bush, who was knighted into the Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. Well, he did look like he could use one a lot of the time. A rarely awarded top order of knighthoods. That's good. I'm glad he got that bath. Ohh British officials said that the knighthood marked the close relationship between the Republican president and Britain's Conservative government, particularly during the Gulf War. Yeah, that was a real moment of of of trial and tragedy for the British royal family. Yeah, they had. They had to sit there and watch while they were all burned conscripts alive. Yeah, they were really at risk there. I'm going to quote from the book Royal Babylon by English poet and activist Heathcote Williams quote the fact that each US president's record, without exception would earn them seats on the dock at Nuremberg or at the International Criminal Court on genocide charges doesn't deter the royal family from honoring them. Before, by an ironic twist, each U.S. President morphs into George the third against whom their forebearers fought. Which is a nice a nice a nice little quote by by this this, this English, this English writer in the pretty good book Royal Babylon if you want to. If you want to learn about how ****** ** the monarchy is, this is a pretty a pretty fun book. Let's see who else? Who else should be, who else should be? Let's let's talk about Norman Schwartz and Kov Schwartzkopf. Norman Schwarzkopf, he was the head of the he was the guy who actually, like, ran the the Desert Storm campaign. Yes, he he said that the dead Iraqis, quote, weren't worth counting. And among, like, casualties of war and that quote. I want every Iraqi soldier bleeding from every orifice. Yeah. It's uh I mean you know Schwartzkopf was a guy who fought in Vietnam and took the loss hard and I think he a big part of why big part of what was going on with Desert Storm was a desire to quote UN quote reclaim like our military pride by beating the **** out of a a smaller country. Which is not to say that like I I don't believe there was like Iraq had invaded a neighbor and occupied it. That's bad. Something should have been done but the whole the whole like masturbatory I went all of their ******* conscript. Soldiers. These like teenage kids to die is, is, is, is, is like sick lunacy. As was the ************ over the anyway. Whatever. We don't need to talk about the Gulf War here. He was anyway. He was. He also received a knighthood after all of that stuff, which is fun. Also, Elizabeth gave a knighthood to Colin Powell who facilitated cover up and justified many US war crimes in Vietnam. Hey hey Garrison facilitated cover ups. Yes, yeah, yeah. Most famously, my lie, yes. The My Lie massacre is the biggest thing that he was, that he was involved in. There were other, there were others. He also went, he's that guy. I think he's like, like the thing I think is important, he is probably the one person on Earth in the Bush administration who could have stopped the Iraq war if he wanted to. And he didn't like he, he he he knew that it was all ********. And he was like, Nah, **** it, let's do this war going to lie to the UN? Quoting Powell, we burned down the thatched huts, starting the blaze with Ronson and Zippo lighters. Why were we torching houses and destroying crops? Ho Chi Ming said that his people were like the sea in which gorillas swarm. We tried to solve the problem by making the whole sea uninhabitable. In the hard logic of war, what difference does it make if you shot your enemy or starved him to death? So anyway. Night. Night, night. Colin Powell. So true. So true, buddy. Probably the least problematic person among this list. In 1995, the Queen approved on an honorary knighthood to a former US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger. Kissinger kissing Kissinger. Yeah, he was he was just kind of a functionary, very not. Not a big deal we should probably skip. I think that's how it's pronounced. Yeah, he he was he was appointed an honorary Knight Commander in the most distinguished order of Saint Michael and Saint George. Jesus Christ. Well, here's the here's the thing. So funny. We must applaud the British for, for, for for honoring the most popular American in China. Is a very progressive decision for her. Yes, Kissinger. I think a few of Kissinger's assistants also got united. Brent scroll alcroft sculpt Scowcroft, he got, he got knighted. The people from the Iran Contra drugs and arms affairs stuff got knighted. There was a lot. A lot of like war criminal dudes got knighted in this, in this, like late 90s. I wonder what was going on there also. Uh, Jay Edgar Hoover was was, was knighted of. Which is pretty funny. And then the the an economic financier who endorsed really bad derivatives to make the housing bubble kind of blow up. Alan Greenspan, another American. Oh, he also Greenspan. Like he got horrible person that that man. That man has killed more people than most generals like he has. Oh boy. Yeah, he is. He is pretty bad. Umm, I think. I think we can do an ad break and then James is going to join us again to finish up by talking about Ireland and Kenya. Because this there's a lot of stuff in in Ireland and Kenya. So anyway, do you know who won't receive a knighthood by Queen Elizabeth? That these products and services, because I was going to say Queen Elizabeth because she's too dead to talk. She's dead on the phone. That's the joke. She can't give them a nightmare because she's dead. Anyway, here's the ads. Very funny. Ah, we're back and you know, I I need to keep the audience informed about important network business for cool zone. So I want to let you all know that as he was coming back from getting his shot, James texted us all. OK, I'll be on in one sex. And there's a lot of jokes that we could make about that as as a network. And I'm not going to make them, but I'm going to urge you to make them yourself in your own heart and head and then tweet them to James. James is at, James is at. I write OK on Twitter. That's right, that's that's my Twitter handle. I write OK you can see a picture of me there. That's anyway so we're not going to talk about most mainly mainly 2 places where British colonialism and imperialism had devastating effects under Queen Elizabeth and a few a few pretty pretty evil people that that Elizabeth then also knighted who who were doing like directly doing this British colonialism. Uh, let's talk about Kenya a little bit. So during the 1950s, British tried to get control of lands in Kenya that they that they had violently. They were trying to keep control of land that they had previously stolen. Native Kenyans fought back in the Maumau uprising. Now has we've historians. Historians have documented widespread torture by British forces, including the crushing of testicles with pliers, the internment of up to 320,000. People in concentration camps, where they then endured slavery, starvation, murder and rape, rape with blunt objects. Meanwhile, 1.5 million Kenyans were confined to a network of detention camps and heavily patrolled villages, as documented by a historian, Caroline Elkins, and her Pulitzer Prize winning Britain's gulag so. This, this, this was all overseen by the Queen as the head of state. And by the way, she was 31 at this point. You you don't you don't get to say, well, she just come and, you know, was just listening to her advisors it at 31 years old, you are young, but you are old enough to not be complicit in the genocide. Yeah, especially when you're the head of state. Like, come on. As the Queen of England, she adds some leverage. She is not like, oh, you came, you worked. You were a tax collector in ******* S *******. Dyer, England and you happen to be in doing that job when the maumau were being suppressed. No, no, no. She was there and she she she knew about stuff was going on, was heavily involved because she was giving out like she was working with people who were doing pretty, like egregious things. According to Kenya's biggest newspaper, The Daily Nation, a British policeman named Ian Henderson was known in Kenya as the Torturer in chief and was the kind of the guy behind. Preparing a whole bunch of bogus evidence in the 1953 trial where six leading maumau uprising figures were convicted, including the the future 1st President of Independent Kenya, now Queen Elizabeth. The second honored Ian Henderson, again the torturer in chief, with the George Medal, Britain's highest civilian award, in September of 1954 for his work in Kenya. So this is important. Like he wasn't military, he was just a policeman, which is why he gets a civilian. Award, but like she knew what was going on, was giving out individual police officers awards for their roles in crushing the in crushing these independent uprisings. You know who never would have done that is suppose that the second absolute clown show. I do not know enough about the first to second. I don't know how he acquired 1000 grandchildren. I'm not going to make any claims. To be fair, there's probably some shady **** in Sobhuza the seconds rain, but the main thing he was known for. Was taking back control of Swaziland's indigenous industries, being a good neighbor to the other African countries once they gain their independence, and of course, exporting a **** load of asbestos. So any any any other notes on on Kenya's yeah so just before I do want to like just briefly raise like Elkins they they it was that was a very unconventional and very good book for young academic and she deserves a lot of credit for writing it in the process of writing that book and then trying to write her second book and obviously she dealt with a lot of backlash from ranked her first book she uncovered that Britain had hidden classified destroyed and refused to disclose. A mountain of records about its colonial crimes in Kenya. And this is like an ongoing issue that goes on into the 20 teens that there are public records, court cases about this. And it's it's so like we we can see that like it's wrong to say that this is like a just a relic of another era, right? Britain is has continued into this era, like the ideology of the government from then to now is virtually indistinguishable, right? It's it's neoliberal conservatives. They have continued to hide. Rather than face justice for these crimes, right. Rather than say sorry, rather than say what we did was wrong, they've tried to cover up this ****. And and like we, we need to remember that when we talk about like, this is not a crime of the past. He's an ongoing acts of genocide and genocide denial that we keep doing and I should mention. So I think we were talking about Operation legacy. So there are a bunch of different instances of the British government like destroying other records. One of the other fun things they recover, they seem to have been covering up and we don't. We don't know. What was in those records? Because, again, they were just like they were destroyed. But one of the other things I was in this record is about, uh, a second time, that Brit, that the UK put a bunch of people in concentration camps while Queen Elizabeth was president, which was they did this, they also did this in Malaysia. They put a million people, they did this in a, they did this in a film. She was while she was clown president, which is to say, I just to say Queen, we're going to actually be talking about Malaysia in just a SEC. Emergency number. It's important to him, yeah. So, so Ian Henderson, the the Torturer in chief who received this award, obviously had to leave Kenya shortly after the 50s because things happened. And then he he got he got moved to Bahrain. And during a wave of pro independence revolts in Bahrain in 1968, Henderson was appointed the head of the secret police and served as so. Until 1998. And over the course of his 10 year he became known as the Butcher of Bahrain. Uh quoting the Guardian quote, during his time his men allegedly detained and tortured thousands of anti government activists. Their activities are said to have included the ransacking of villages, sadistic sexual abuse and using power drills to maim prisoners. On many occasions there have said to detain children without informing their parents, only to return them months later in body bags. UN quote. Yeah. And and the Bahrain stuff, it's also worth mentioning. Like, that never stopped. Like, no, it. Yeah, it stopped being him and charged. But like, like in 2000, Italy stopped him being in charge in 1998. Yeah. Yeah. And. And like, yeah. And and and in 2011, there was another revolution against like, the Bahraini. Bahraini, like, monarchy. And I mean it ended essentially with the Saudis world tanks across the border. But one of the things that happened was that the British helped, like, the Bahraini government, like, hunt down dissidents. I just busted out my lecture on this Hanslope Park stuff and we want to talk more about there were 15 miles of files that they found that had been hidden. I mean this, that was. That was also the case in Ireland, which we're going to talk about later. The odd file, I lose emails all the time. That's similar to 15 miles of paperwork. So in 1984, Ian Henderson was awarded by Queen Elizabeth with a CBE for services to British interests in Bahrain. And he also received a knighthood in the most excellent order of the British Empire. So this, this was after he was already known as the Butcher of Bahrain. This, this is this in 1984. He's well into his tenure. He is torturing children, killing them, kidnapping them, maiming people. And that's when he gets knight hooded for his services to the British interests in Bahrain. So, yeah, that's that's Ian Henderson. And now during Henderson's time in Kenya, he was just a part of the small team that was developing a new form of counterinsurgency pseudo gangster tactics, kind of weaponizing like gang gang warfare for British interests. The other person who was kind of running this operation was an Englishman named Frank Kitson. So he in he he was also serving in Kenya. And then on New Year's in 1955, Kidson was awarded the British Military Cross in recognition of Gallant and distinguished services in Kenya, and three years later he gained a bar to that medal for his work in the Malaysian emergency, quote UN quote so during Britain's brutal rule, brutal war in Malaysia. He he he played, he played a part in the concentration camps, which Chris mentioned. The process was known as visualization as they forced people into these concentration camps all over the course of a famine and they were invading Malaysia to fund Britain's kind of post war reconstruction. So he he was in Kenya, Malaysia. He also went to Bahrain, just like Henderson did. He went to Yemen. Aiden. And Cyprus, all places where the British state is known for doing the widespread use of torture. And then he went to north, he went to Northern Ireland and not shocking turn of events. He at then was the professional head of the British Army during the Iraq War, described kidson as quote the son of around which the planets revolved. Saying that quote, he very much set the tone for the operational style in Belfast. The buddy, the notorious military reaction force. The MRF, which was accused of being behind a string of illegal shootings of Catholic teenagers in the early 70s, was based at Kitson's headquarters outside Belfast and one of the units under his command was nicknamed Kitsons's Private Army. It's official name was one para and these were the people that did Bloody Sunday. So in 1972 in Derry, 15,000 people gathered outside to protest against detention without trial. At 10 past four British paratroopers opened fire, 28 people were shot, some in the back. As they fled, 14 people were killed, seven of whom were teenagers, and it was Kitsons private army who fired all 108 shots in Derry during winter of 1972. One of the victims are the first teenager named Kevin was 17 years old. He was shot from behind while trying to crawl to safety. Yeah, uh anyway, Murphy massacre was at the same time as well. Like it it's worth people like these are very well documented things that people that people can read about that we don't need to describe in detail, but so. England, England bad Elizabeth Queen in 1972 Frank Kitson was knighted again same same year as the massacre, was knighted by the Queen for Gallant and Distinguished Service in Northern Ireland, and was promoted to commander of the Order of the British Empire. A few years later he became a Major General and the quote Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath. Again. What is what the **** is going on? It is nice that he and former head of the CIA. HW Bush got to hang out in their fancy club, though. These people are so ****** **. Ohh so later later. Kitson served as commander in chief for the UK Land Forces from 1982 to 1985 and was the aid was the aide de Camp general to Queen Elizabeth Direct directly to Queen Elizabeth from 1983 to 1985. So yeah, that's that's fun. It's worth noting that the order of the bath is like a. I believe that some of those other honours that Queens honors that you've talked about are like selected by a committee or perhaps by government. I'm not quite sure that all of the bath is supposed to be like the personal, the Queen's like specific selection. Yeah. Yeah. And the sovereign is head of the order of the bath. Like it's like you're it's a big, it's a big diamond shaped metal thing. You'll see you were tortured. Solve dreadfully. Well, I'd love to give you this fancy award for jamming screwdrivers into children. Turning them on who Tilly do go off to go breed another corgi. That's the ghost of the queen you were promised at the start of the episode, so it it through the basement. Throughout the 2000s, Kidson remained a key adviser on U.S. military strategy during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Such that the US has done, which is also war crimes and torture in those wars. And we should also mention, OK, there's there's a thing you'll get from insurgency nerds who will talk about the mylai like emergency, quote UN quote, is like the one successful counterinsurgency. And that's just not true. Like they just started again after they stopped. And second, you can tell how well this went by the fact that that guy also was helping the US do Iraq and Afghanistan and the only thing he's ever managed to accomplish is killing an enormous number of people. He doesn't just he was just a sea dubs there. Yeah, he was in all those countries. He was heavily involved in Aden and Yemen, which led to 200,000 deaths between 1962 and 1970. And and today British armies still continue the same this, this the same process of of overseeing the bombing of Yemen. So this isn't like this stuff isn't one that US is innocent of. Just Oh no, we're the ones arming. Two Saudi coalition, whatever you want to call it, that's murdering people in Yemen. But I think the brain doesn't have the capacity to to make as many bombs as the US is sending to Yemen. I would doubt. But, but all of these processes and all of these people are still continuing the same colonialism and the same, yes all of the same oppression like this isn't like, this isn't like quote UN quote the past. It's it's an ongoing thing that the monarchy awards and perpetuates. They've had to downsize it a little bit because you know, it just doesn't work as well as it used to. And so the thing they decided to do to downsize it. Was stopped paying off the populace and just start policing them harder and but but the the the money has kept flowing to the Royals. Yes. Yeah. So anyway, in the Malay emergency that Britain did pioneer the use of Agent Orange, so that's another gift that we've given to the people of the United States. Well, thank you, James, for that. Yeah, you're welcome. Anytime. It's that it's tea cozies with the queen on it's stuffed corgis. You know, I want to suggest, if you are looking for a way to properly mourn Queen Elizabeth, maybe check out the film Churchill, the Hollywood Years, a truly exceptional movie if you just type it into Google. And look around on YouTube, you can find a full copy of it. It features Christian Slater as Winston Churchill and Neve Campbell as the recently deceased queen. And I don't know who it is that they got to play her father, the former king, but he's he's basically portrayed as like a drunk. And also like every time there's a big fancy party, he's just constantly staring at everyone's drinks because he's angry that they're drinking is champagne because he's a big ******* spin thrift. Very funny, very good send up of the royal family. Also, Heinrich Himmler conducts a satanic wedding and by replacing a crucifix with a chicken it's it's a good movie. Watch that in real life, just like in real life. I'll also recommend you check out the book Royal Babylon. I was able to get it a free copy online through great methods. So anyway, yeah, that if you want a nice like poetic history of how the queen is ****** ** and the monarchy sucks royal babylons a nice easy read. Did you get into the bowls? Lions sisters as well? Did you do that? No. These two people who were disabled, they are the Queen's cousins. They they, the royal family, basically announced they were dead. But they weren't dead and they lived in an institutional home for I think it was. It was called the Royal Earlswood Institution for Mental Defectives. And they lived there more or less anonymously, completely disowned by their family on a very small stipend until they died. And that is not a nice way to treat your cousins. Well, yeah, this only cements my opinion that the monarchy is bad. Bad. Something about Fuku and boomerangs and colonialism. Abolish the monarchy. It's always OK to celebrate the death of a king or queen. Doesn't matter who they are, doesn't matter how it happens. It's bad. For the concept of monarchy is the only thing more toxic than the concept of inherited wealth. And both are deeply tied to each other. **** the queen and **** all of her relatives, except for the ones who give up their their positions and power. Those people are are cool, yeah, don't turn police people whose parents were killed by colonial regimes on the Internet, either. Overthrow the government of Britain. Yeah, everything. Look, we always this podcast from the beginning has been directly in favor of an insurrection against the crown. The one thing that you do have to hand it to the queen for is seeing Liz trust as Prime Minister and immediately dying, which is the appropriate response. I committed ritual suicide and, you know, again, King Saputo the second did destroy democracy in Swaziland, but then he replaced it with something that kind of sounds like democracy, and that's more than Queen Elizabeth did. Yeah, we just started at point B with something that kind of sounds like democracy. So I know. I know what King I'm going to stand in the future. All right, Robert. Well, that's a T-shirt I'll be getting you for Christmas. Thank you. New tattoo, too. Short, short lived. King Charles the third. Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week from now until the heat death of the universe. It could happen. Here is a production of cool zone media. 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