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My me, I'm Robert Evans, host of behind the ********. This was another trademark. Terrible opening. Perfect. Perfect. Putting on a shirt. I'll buy it. The better the better. Ohhh, my guests are as as with probably the one that came before this week, Cody Johnson. Is we are indeed. That those people. That's true. Wow. E and today's episode working title is Pat Buchanan, my dad's favorite Nazi. Perfect title. What do you mean, working title? No, this is some blue harvest nonsense, you know? We're calling it that. I love it. Yeah. So how are y'all doing today? The same day that we recorded the episode on Free Speech grifting. Still slightly more tired, but a little more tired. But yeah, my dogs out of questionable daycare facility at the moment. We'll see how it goes. I keep thinking about him, but other than that, I'm great. Yeah. But, you know, it's good for character. Yeah, I guess. He's a little dog. And he popped him in, and I was like, great. And I peeked in the window where they popped him in. It's exclusively big dogs. And little Benny was, like, in the corner, unhappy, just, like, shocked what this world has become. I felt like I betrayed him or something. That reminds me of the time that I got dropped off at kindergarten. But it turned out it was actually Brandeis University. Yeah, it was. It was. It was quite the comedy of errors. Anyway, I wound up being the Dean. Wow, congratulations. That's amazing. Thank you. Big step up what you were expecting. Had quite a life. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys ready to talk about Pappy Cannon? Whenever I hear his name, I think it's Pat. Ohh boy. And that's especially appropriate because if there's one thing Pat Buchanan hates, it's the concept of gender ambiguity. Yes. Other than that, what do you know about pea buke buck? Not much. I mean, I know I've read some of his his work. Work? Yeah, his name comes up often when reading about the topic of cultural Marxism. I would, I would probably call him like, not this is the Godfather, but the Godfather. Part 2 of of of that of that idea. He's a, he's a evangelical type. She will talk about what he is Patrick Joseph Bu Cannon was born on November 2nd, 1938. His father was a partner in an accounting firm and his mother was a nurse. He was one of nine children, six brothers, two sisters. He was born in DC, where his family lived, but his family had most of its roots in Mississippi. Pat's grandfather fought for the Confederacy during that whole thing deal. Out kerfuffle. But I use that in the previous episode. I use it too many times because I would. I was shocked to realize it's an actual word. Really? Yeah. Kerfuffle is a word if you spell it. Yeah, yeah. Now pat, great, proud of his Confederate roots, later joined the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Heritage, not hate. As a young boy, Buchanan's heroes were right wing politicians. Senator Joseph McCarthy and Francisco Franco. Wow, you left. You left at the first one. I didn't get to the second one. OK, did you hear the second? I heard it. I laughed over the second one. Francisco Franco, the fascist dictator of Spain? Yeah. In a 2012 column for the Quad City Times, Buchanan would write off the carpet bombing of Guernica by Nazi planes supporting Franco as a minor crime compared to the aerial bombings that would come later. Which is quite. They take. No, not a hot take because it's a century later. Yeah, it's pretty, but that is a take that, take that, take a person's not that bad that he annihilated that city from the air because look at all the worse annihilations of cities from the air. Wow, never thought about like that. Thank you for contributing to the intellectual discourse and I never thought about other stuff. He ends the column by noting unlike Mussolini, Franco remained a non belligerent in the World War. Turned US pilots who came down in Spain and agreed to a post war alliance with the United States. Non intervention in the Spanish Civil War. Worked out just fine. So that makes him OK just fine. Just fine. I love all these like people. Like look, the problem with like Mussolini was like that. He like just started like he got Hitler problem. The problem with her is like he's like a glow. Like he's like globalism. Oh, you're predicting where this is going to go. Anyway, yeah he said the non intervention in the Spanish Civil War worked out just fine. For reference, the Francoist government is known to have killed at minimum around 110,000 people. For crimes such as reading liberal newspapers and not supporting the military coup. Many of those killed were literally flung from cliffs to their deaths. The actual death toll from Franco's terror may be several 100,000. Although due to the political nature of all of this, getting accurate death counts is a bit impossible. But I would not describe that as working out just fine. What if you compare it to other things, though? We all have our, you know, opinions. Do you like it to compare things to other things? Like the other day a friend of mine let me drive their car and I was very drunk and I crashed it into a retaining wall and it turned out their daughter was in the back seat and they got very angry about the fact that their car and their daughter are both no longer with us but but compared to the Holocaust, not that bad. I was about to get disgusted with you, but now I think that's good. Thank you. Compared to the Dresden air raids, I'm responsible. Way out of things. I am going to use that officer. I know it looks bad what I'm doing here with all this acid and all these firearms, but have you considered comparing it to the Ted Offensive? Not nearly as bad as the Tet offensive, huh? Might I cite serial murderer? In a C-SPAN interview with Brian Lamb, Pat Buchanan would later recall, well, my father was very much an autocratic. Very autocratic. As I mentioned right from the beginning on an earlier book. His three political heroes were Joe McCarthy, General MacArthur, and General Francisco Franco of Spain, the Catholic who finished off a communist. He later wrote in his book from right from the beginning that he adopted his father's heroes as his own, seeing them as men who were fighters, men who raged war relentlessly against the true enemy. Anything to value. Hmm. Waging war. Relentless. True and true enemy. The true. It's interesting to me. The different, the different. It's that sentence that you picked up on that really speaks to the differences in your personality, doesn't impelling? Yeah, and our whole dynamic, which is interesting. Interesting. Everybody's learning a lot. Feeling judged. We're also getting a lot of use out of this kind of approach discourse. So yeah, fun voice they make makes a point by not actually saying anything. Yeah, you know, just by. But again, I have to do it. What you do, you've got a Holmes it. Pat was raised as a Catholic pre Vatican 2, which means he grew up with that old time religion. Elaborate Baroque ceremonies conducted entirely in ecclesiastic Latin. One gets the feeling from other things he wrote that he wishes the church had stayed that way. Buchanan graduated college with a degree in journalism and started his working career as an editorial writer with the Saint Louis Globe Democrat. He wrote vociferously against trade with communist Cuba in 1964, became a supporter of arch conservative Barry Goldwater, the man who was the reason. Psychiatrists are not allowed to weigh in on the mental health of presidential candidates. Yeah. In 1966 he was hired as an opposition researcher for the Nixon campaign. He gained the nickname Mr Inside for dropping numerous Easter eggs in the Nixon speeches aimed at very far right stalwarts in the party. He was also a big advocate that conservatives should aim to be anti establishment as a way to gain votes. He coined the term silent majority during a speech he helped write for Nixon to address hundreds of thousands of anti Vietnam protesters in October of 1969. You're very impressed by that. Yeah, I am very impressed by that. For him, coining phrases that we all have. Look at that. It's a good phrase. Who wouldn't want to be part of a silent majority? Wouldn't want to be a part of a silent two things I love silence and majorities. Yes, put them together. Put them together. You got a movement. You gotta. You got a movement that's very quiet. Very quiet. There's a ninja joke in there somewhere, but I didn't come up with it fast enough so somebody out there will work it out. You got it, you got it. Change your name to joke about the silent majority as a night in the Nixon White House, Pat Buchanan was a constant voice against racial integration. True enemy. The true enemy, yes. Well, he was talking about the true enemy according to the New Republic in right from the beginning, which is a Pat Buchanan book, Buchanan describes how in the early 1960s he wrote editorials slamming the civil rights movement, based on documents provided by the FBI. You can and also argues that the segregated Washington he grew up and where blacks were disenfranchised was a better and more humane city than what it later became here in here. A lot about that these days, too, about the humaneness of human beings being forced to use different water. Yeah, yeah. How the communities and society was better because of segregation and actually integrating caused more problems than addressed and solved. I wonder if any of the people making that argument have ulterior motives. I I know they do. It sounds like something based purely in fact, in science and studies. Now, among other things, Pat Buchanan suggested his boss, the president, read an article in the Atlantic by Richard Herrnstein, like co-author of a little book you might have heard of called The Bell Curve. No, not the bell jar. Don't mistake the two. I do not, because I do like to think of Nixon reading Sylvia Plath and having himself a good cry like that. That's kind of fun to think about. 3rd. This book where you cry. Buchanan wrote in a memo to the president. Basically, Herrnstein's article demonstrates that heredity rather than environment, determines intelligence, and that the more we proceed to provide everyone with a good environment, surely the more heredity will become the dominant factor in their intelligence and thus in their success and social standing. It is almost the iron law of intelligence that is being propounded here. Based on heredity. The importance of this article is difficult to understate. If correct, then all our efforts and expenditures, not only for compensatory education but to provide an equal chance at the starting line, are guaranteeing that we wind up. The intelligent ones coming in first, and every study we have shows Blacks 15 IQ points below whites on the average. Pat Buchanan. OK, OK. Is that part of why Nixon started the EPA? Oh, geez. No, I don't think so. OK. I don't think so. I don't think that's what I think. When they talk about environment, they're talking about like this, the quality of the school. Oh yeah. No, I know, I know. But like, it's there's like. Hmm. If that's why Nixon created the EPA, that would be a actually shockingly progressive way to look at racist science, right? Like, well, then we need to get the toxins out of right. We got to make sure that there will be a weird loop for. I don't think that's the case, though. But I don't know anything about the founding of the EPA. Don't want to like, only part of it was that, like, they were upset with, like, the liberal consensus that like, yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, we'll have to talk about that at a time when we know what the **** we're talking about. Unlike certain professor doctors who just love talking about things they know about episodes previous episode and people calling themselves neuroscientists and evolutionary biologists when they're clinical psychologists now. So yeah, you might have guessed Pepe Cannon had some attitudes towards the intelligence of black people. Seems like. It seems like his views on gay people were no more charitable. He believed homosexuality LED inevitably to the decay of society. In 1977 he wrote this homosexuality then. It's not some civil right and a healthy society. It will be contained, segregated, controlled and stigmatized, carrying both a legal and social sanction. Strong words pat P, buke P both put them in camps. This is all proto now. Everything you say. Yeah, yeah, bad. Buchanan is proto now. That's that's a good way to look at this guy. Sounds like a Star Wars name. It does sound like a Star Wars name. It does now. After Nixon resigned in 1974 for reasons that nobody knows anything about, Buchanan took up a post as a special adviser to Gerald Ford. He continued to write public opinion columns and make his voice heard with a national politics here's a quote from another piece he wrote in 1977. Though Hitler was indeed racist and antisemetic to the court. Only Hitler. Who Hitler? You know it's not going to go anywhere. It's only because he was a globalist. Not quite. Not yet, yeah. Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who, without compunction would commit murder and genocide. He was also an individual of great courage and soldier soldier, the political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe who possessed oratorical policy powers that could all, even those who despised him. Vomit. What's what's the point? Like, what is what is that worth? Like it's like, yeah, man, he's a ****** but he cooks a good steak. Gotta give him that. Like, no, I don't got to give him anything because he doesn't. He's like, I understand that he was racist and anti-Semitic. I don't care. Yeah, right. Like he's racist. He's like a monster. And he did a lot of his things, but at least he was able to rile everybody up. Like he was a good soldier. Like all the other good soldiers who didn't grow up to be Hitler. My God, he was all of those things. But he was a real man. Casey waged a relentless war against the end of Hitler. The only good speaker. Yeah. It's like, why do you need to, like, we all know Hitler was like, it's one thing to say like Hitler was a soldier who performed adequately in combat. Hitler was a rousing speaker. It's another thing to, like, frame it this way, where you're like, look, we all talk about the bad parts Hitler, but let's give the guy some credit. It's like he's saying like. Of this word, different era. He could be one of my heroes. Yeah, right. It's taking these, like statements that you can make and turning them into compliments like, why? Why do you need to? Why do you feel compelled to compliment the reality without making it a compliment? Right? It just, it feels like it feels like it's a guy he admires. But the Holocaust happened to acknowledge that there were those things that he actually doesn't really care about. And this is, and this is a phrase and viewpoint you see sort of spread out a lot now these days of like the idea that. Hitler was good and right up until, like, 1933, yeah, yeah. There's always a point for the Hitler. It's like, oh, he was good until this one date. And like, then it was all bad. That one is that maybe, maybe that you're you're talking about was like being LED up to and like maybe a lot of the things that happened, like sort of, it's just, it's wild. And if you, if you actually have it, if you are someone with like an an actual intellectual curiosity and when Hitler went bad, there's a good book called explaining Hitler with just like his baby pictures, like the cover of the book. The whole book is about like, what, what the **** happened here? Right, right. How do you get there that deals with all of the stuff that he's talking about without. Complements cover, yeah. ******* Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really recommend that book. In the mid 1980s, Pat Buchanan became a television news commentator working on a show called the Buchanan Brayden Program, where he argued with a token liberal. It seems to have been a prototype of foxes later hit show Hannity and Combs. Next according to blood and politics by Leonard Ziskin, which another great ******* book. By the mid 1980s, he had started waving the banner that became the white nationalism's Clarion call in the 21st century quote. Buchanan the central objection to the present flood of illegals he wrote in 1984, is that they are not English speaking white people from Western Europe. They are Spanish speaking brown and black people from Mexico, Latin America, and the Caribbean. Buchanan even explicitly posed the question of whether the United States would remain a white nation. Apparently the descendants of Africans brought in chains. The Mestizo population of the southwest and the Chinese laborers who built the railroads were either invisible to begin its historical lie or not to be counted as natural citizens of the nation. He also exhibited a nervous disbelief in the charges leveled against those believed to be war criminals. At different times, he rose to defend Arthur Randolph, Carol Linus, Kurt Waldheim, John Demjanjuk, and others. Those were all S guys who went on trial. Yeah, and dim Janet's case, Buchanan. Skepticism of Justice Department actions ultimately proved justified in several key points of evidence. Buchanan challenged more than just the rules of evidence used in cases against war criminals, however. As an aide to President Reagan, he helped formulate a 1982 trip to the military graves at Bitburg, Germany. At Buchanan's behest, Reagan memorialized the Waffen s s along with ordinary Vermont soldiers. Setting off international protests at the honoring of Hitler's henchman, Buchanan added to the outrage when he claimed that Jews could not have been gassed by diesel engines at the Nazi concentration camp at Treblinka. He was soon publicly and widely accused of giving aid and comfort to those, like the Institute for Historical Review, that maintain the Holocaust didn't happen. So yeah, we got some Holocaust denial here. Now, Buchanan support for having the president visit Waffen s s Graves brought him into conflict with Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor, author of Night and chairman of the US Holocaust Memorial Council. Now, Wizzle thought that it was a bad idea. For the President to lay wreaths on the graves of war criminals. This deeply ****** *** Pat Buchanan. Other White House staffers report that he kept writing the phrase, succumbing to the pressure of the Jews during his in his notes during a meeting with Wiesel. And again, these are other Republicans being like, he kept writing over and over again about the Jews in his meeting with this Holocaust survivor. So furious, yeah, that he just had scribbled this note out, punching holes in his notebook every time he ******* dots. AJ. Yeah, gosh. A gross. Pat, Pat, chill out looking man. It's Pat, Pat, pat boy. So few of our listeners are going to get that. Look up its path. You just gotta watch, what, 20 some years of Saturday Night Live? Yeah, there's gotta be some clip compilation. Don't worry, it's a reference from 35 years ago. It was a funny joke when my dad was a kid. Yeah, it's before our time. Let's not age ourselves. Making copies, God keep doing it. Boy. Yeah. Just on that note, I tried to show my little brother Wayne's World a couple of years ago. Really hard to introduce the new generations to Wayne's World. Yeah. You kind of had to be there. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Speaking of you had to be there. Pat Buchanan also started speaking about what he called a so-called Holocaust survivor syndrome, which, According to him, involved group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics. Oh my God. Yeah, papagan and everybody. Buchanan's big break with the Republican Party would come in the early 1990s, when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and President George Bush. First started beating the drums of war. Now Buchanan was very much an isolationist. He sat down on the McLaughlin report, then one of America's most influential political debate shows, and complained. There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East, the Israeli Defense Ministry and its Amen corner in the United States. He later added that Israel was pushing America to expand the blood of its children in a proxy war. The Israelis want this war desperately because they want the United States to destroy the Iraqi war machine. They want us to finish them off. They don't care about our relations with the Arab world. Buchanan called Israel a strategic albatross draped across the neck of the United States. He specifically blamed New York Times editor AM Rosenthal's assistant Secretary of Defense, Richard Perle. Columnist Charles Krauthammer and Henry Kissinger for promoting the Gulf War. You may note that all of those men are Jewish. You may also note that Pat Buchanan's list of people and pushing America towards war with Iraq did not include any gentiles like, say, George HW Bush. Doing it President doing it? Peculiar. Buchanan further complained in a column that Americans who would die in Iraq would be kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzalez, and Leroy Brown. Wow. That's just me. I'm telling you, it's always ended. That's not so Leroy Brown. What? And I I want to state right here unequivocally that I reject the idea that Leroy Brown could possibly have been defeated by the Iraqi. Because in case you are not aware, he was the baddest man in the whole damn town. Madder than old King Kong and meaner than a junkyard dog. Yeah, I mean, that's who you want. That's who you want going to fight. Bad example. Pat. Pat. Jesus Christ. Like McAllister. Murphy Gonzalez. And that's insane. Like, what the ****? Bet Jesus ohh the baddest man in the whole Dang town. The baddest man in the whole damn town. Ohhh God like I do love Jim cross. It's like 3 last names and then it's one of those things where, like, I should be angrier. But this is literally the third reference to Jim Crow songs that I've managed to work into one of my podcasts, and I'm very proud of how many. You're on a roll. I am on a roll. Just did the same song twice and they're both fantastic, both just amazing songs. Yeah. Anyway, Buchanan's refusal to hold ranks with his fellow Republicans deeply ****** *** other conservatives. William F Buckley, editor of the National Review, wrote an essay accusing Buchanan of anti-Semitism. But these charges did not bring an end to Buchanan's career or his political relevance. In fact, thanks to all the little fella named David Duke, he was about to become more prominent and influential than ever before. And there comes David Duke. There he is. There he is. He just ran in there. Every every time we're here, you guys need a racist. I'm David Duke. Don't you worry about it. There are these, like little animated stories when you're telling it to me and write down I was. And then he popped up like a little card pops right in. I love him so much. He looks like a lizards ghost these days. Every now and then I remember he was at ******* Charlottesville and like, yeah, *** **** it, David Duke. Like maybe it's a sign you shouldn't be there. David Duke shows up. David Duke shows up. But you know who is good when they show up? The people who offer services and products say that. Dang, that's what's good, is the products and services supporting the show. Fun you got it. The ad pivot. I think we all won with products and services this fine. We do all win products. Mint Mobile offers premium wireless starting at just 15 bucks a month. And now for the plot twist. Nope, there isn't one. Mint Mobile just has premium wireless from 15 bucks a month. There's no trapping you into a two year contract. You're opening the bill to find all these nuts fees. 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Vascular and like to add that seems relevant. You should have asked me why I'm missing fingers on my left hand. A story about sacrifice. I think his suffering drove him to try to alleviate suffering. And the shocking discovery I made where I faced the consequences of writing a book I thought would help people? Isn't that funny? It's not funny at all. It's depressing. Very depressing. Revisionist history is back with more. Listen to revisionist history on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I've never seen less enthusiasm for a great idea in my life. We're back. That was great, though. That was great. I'm gonna nice break. Gonna buy him. I'm gonna buy it. You're going to buy it? I'm going to buy what it was. I hope it was something good. Danza was **** pills or a Microsoft Surface tablet. Either way, find products. I mean, I'd take a Microsoft Surface tablet. Oh man, surface books. Actually. What? I write all the episodes of this show on. Great laptop. I've wanted one. And they really, really good laptops. Yeah. Yeah, you have one. No, I like one. Very good one. Yeah. Anywho, no, David Duke could become the grandmaster of the KKK in 1974, as Chief innovation was merging new progressive elements of Neo Nazism with the old stodgy racist traditions and terrorist habits of the KKK. He's an innovator, Cody. You gotta respect an innovator. Yeah, reinvigorate him. This KKK you got good bones. You got. We just gotta do a little overhaul. I just imagine a truck full of Klansmen hitting like a Panther tank. You got Nazis in my clansman got Klansmen in my Nazis. You say your grandfather's cake. Uh, Christ, this is OK and then it's like ***. Yeah, triple extreme KKK, because that was necessary now Duke and moderate infamy for running a clan border watch. And when he left the KKK in 1980, he formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Which was, I mean if I don't know if you guys paying attention, but in 1980, rough years for white guys. Yeah, it was a rough time, so I got it. Thank God we moved past those days. Yeah. In 1989, he was elected as a representative in the Louisiana House of Representatives, winning 51% to 49%. That's too much. That's too much. Yeah. So he got he got elected in Louisiana. According to The Daily Beast quote, Duke touted himself as a pro-life fiscal conservative, was known as an ex clan leader. He issued overly racist language and instead pointed to crime in the city, criticizing affirmative action and minority set asides, see by xinying on the racism. Just a little bit. Not even a lot. Just just a just a scosche and emphasizing crime and focusing on his desire to shut down welfare and stop affirmative action. Duke was able to build a surprisingly strong coalition of voters for a guy who had literally marched in public wearing a Nazi uniform. Good for him. Good for him. Do continue to run for numerous positions during the late 1980s, including the US Senate and the Presidency he ran in 1992 as well, opposing President George HW Bush from the right as an isolationist, hammering him on taxation and on the Gulf War. Since he'd won hundreds of thousands of votes in Louisiana, he was considered a real threat to Bush's chances since he was running as a member of the Populist Party and wouldn't need to drop out after primary season. Now, Dukes campaign faltered, thankfully as soon as he left Louisiana due to his inability to use the Republican Party staff members to aid his campaign that he'd used in Louisiana, and also due to the fact that Americans outside of Louisiana were less tolerant of a neo-Nazi presidential candidate to try and move them. Duke focused on the an American first isolationist policy, urging withdrawal from NAFTA, protective tariffs, and an attack on multiculturalism. An immigrant rights. There it is. And of course, watching from the sidelines with our little buddy, Pat Buchanan. Pat your back. Pat your back now. He saw what Duke had managed to build, despite the handicap of being a literal Nazi, and realized ****. If I dressed this up, I can like, I can take this lady out on the town. I can take a step further. I can. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Pop up, yeah, go out, yeah. Several weeks before Pat announced his own entrance to the campaign, he gave this advice to Republicans. The way to do battle with David Duke is not to go ballistic because Duke, as a teenager, paraded around in a Nazi costume to protest William Kunstler during Vietnam or to shout to the heavens that Duke had the same phone number last year as the Ku Klux Klan. Everybody in Metairie knows that the way to deal with Mr Duke is the way the GOP dealt with the far more formidable challenge of George Wallace. Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles. That's how you beat the literal fascist is take some ideas if you can't. Etcetera. Steal his ideas. Do it. Do what they say. Now, during the Cold War, America's conservatives had literally been the opposite of isolationists, urging intervention all over the damn world in order to fight communism and make the world safe for, say, fruit companies. After the fall of the USSR, the Republicans found themselves lashed briefly by chaos. Unsure of where to swing next, Buchanan essentially charted a new course for the American Right. Isolationism, he wrote. In shaping post Cold War foreign policy, the contest will be between acolytes of globalism and advocates of a new nationalism America. 1st. I don't know why we're all snapping, but it feels right either. But it feels right. It feels right. I love the things we do for this audio medium in which we work to keep it, keep it snappy. Snappy, anything. Yet today I have not. Well, no, I did in the last bottle across the thing, right today being whatever. The break and I've got I've got a a closed and mostly empty bottle of Kirkland brand purified water and I have my rusty machete, which I made sure was rusty before. Trusty. Well, it is trusty and rusty and I'm going to see if I can hit those lights on the roof. Nope. That was a line drive I did get. It did go a lot further farther than the can. Farther than the can. Because there's a little water in it. Yeah. So America first. Cool. First. Cool. Very cool. Disagree, but go on. The Populist Party embraced Buchanan with even more vigor and hope than they embraced David Duke. There was widespread fantasy among populists that Buchanan would leave the Republican Party and join them. For reference, the Populist Party was founded by a fellow named Willis Carto. If you guys ever heard of Willis Carto, so. We're talking about fascists. Hmm. Talking about the fascist movement, there's 22 branches of it, two big old Beagle Brigade branches of it. Now you got your vanguardist. Those are the guys who want to go all those are the guys who want to go Turner Diaries, who are like, what are we, just kill people until society collapses and then take over in an **** of blood and violence? And then you got your mainstreamers. And those are the people who are like, what if we just convince all white people that being the Nazis the way to go? Willis Carto was a one of the convince all of the white people that. And the Nazis, the way that goes. Sort of. Dudes now, cartel was also the founder of a magazine called the Spotlight, which became America's Holocaust denial paper of record. And also its editor was a regular guest on Alex Jones show during his early days. Yeah, yeah, big Jim Tucker. Yeah, not surprising, yeah. Go on. According to blood and politics quote, the populist argued that a realignment of the right was taking place via a melding of populism and national conservatism into a powerful new force. On this point, the populists proved to be essentially correct in their analysis among conservatives. Buchanan's opposition to Bush's war plans and the New World order was not unique. The significance of Buchanan's transformation should not be lost in the minutiae of petty party politics. He still did not fully embrace a biological determinist view of society, but without any evident intervention by white supremacists. Pat Buchanan was talking and walking much as they did in the Republican ranks. Pat Buchanan formally announced his candidacy for president, reclaiming the party's right flank for his own anti New World order politics just weeks before Buchanan had urged Republicans to adopt Dukes issues. Buchanan believed Duke's message was middle class, meritocratic, populist and nationalist. So which election was this? 939292? Yeah yeah, the election that brought us Bill Clinton. So yeah so. The candidate well enough to get on the ballot in most American States and he ran a solid primary campaign. Voters abandoned David Duke and droves to flock to a guy who was basically him, but without the baggage of all the swastikas he'd worn. Buchanan drew in America's fascist right, while also pulling in disaffected middle Americans by visiting factories and small town diners and forgotten parts of the country. On February 18th, Buchanan won 37% of the New Hampshire primary, losing the Bush but doing well enough to continue his campaign. Now. David Duke quit the presidential race in April after running out of money and failing to win more. And 11% in any state. Mississippi, if you're curious, in the wake of this failure, Willis Carto Spotlight noted that the center of gravity of the white nationalist movement had shifted towards Pat Buchanan. Any hope Duke had of mounting an effective challenge to George Bush ended with the entrance of Buchanan into the Republican race. Duke endorsed Pat after he withdrew, and Buchanan made the wise move of ignoring this, although like another Republican a while later, he did not repudiate his endorsement either. He won 36% of the vote in Georgia and 32% in Florida. Buchanan's national support peaked in the low. 20S, but began to subside in the early summer. By the end of the primaries he'd accrued nearly three million votes and 34 States and raised more than $14 million. He did not win the primary clearly, but Carter and his fellow fascists saw Buchanan's campaign as a major win. One spotlight op-ed crooned. Buchanan is saying, practically to a word, what the spotlight has been saying on the big issues for many years. Another thing the spotlight is famous for is being the Holocaust denial paper of record of the United States. So that's the big issues, the big issues. The true enemy? Yeah, the true enemy. Interesting. Hmm. Like multiculturalism. I also the David Duke. Isn't Steve Scalise described himself as David Duke without the baggage? Jesus Christ, did he? I'm pretty sure he did. That's a nice pitch. That phrase really stuck out to me when you said it. Exactly the same. But people don't know that about me yet. Exactly the same. But I don't own a swastika that you know. There are no pictures of me that I'm aware of that have me. I don't know. I don't know much about Steve Scalise at all, but I do know a lot about Pappy. Now, as Buchanan's popularity became clear and clear resistance from within the Republican Party lesson, and there was a growing consensus that he spoke for a large chunk of the Conservative electorate. One of Buchanan's chief thinkers was a dude named Sam Francis. You've got to start writing briefing papers for the Heritage Foundation. In the 1980s, he'd started writing for The Washington Times, which was basically a right wing Washington Post. According to blood and politics. It was Francis's prodigious intellect that propelled the Buchanan brain trust, and that the vortex of this intellect swirled his conception of middle American radicals. When Francis had written that Buchanan's middle American radicals represented new social forces, he didn't mean new isn't born yesterday. In fact, he had said much the same thing in 1981. By his account, middle American radicals, or Mars, were the social constituency of what was then known as the new Right at that time. Francis argued that middle American radicals had expressed themselves in a string of movements throughout the 1970s against school busing, for racial integration, against the equal rights amendment, against the seeding of the Panama Canal, and then, finally, in electing Ronald Reagan President. Myers were both the social movement and a class not simply a middle class and not simply an economic category. But in the broadest sense the political class, Francis declared that the Buchanan Revolution, as the emergence of a new political identity that he believed would come to dominate right wing politics in the future margins as he called them were anti elite opposed to black civil rights improvements and in his words caught in the middle between those whose wealth gives them access to power and those whose militant organization gain special treatment from the government. See? We're building here. Hmm. Sound like anything that comes later doesn't sound. New necessarily? Hmm, yeah. Yeah, 3 symbols. I don't know. Yeah, maybe a little bit. At the 1992 Republican Party convention, President Bush bowed to the influence of Pat Buchanan by giving him a prime time speaking spot. Right before Ronald Reagan and his speech, Buchanan stated that a culture war within America had replaced the Cold War. My friends, this election is about much more than who gets what it is about who we are. It is about what we believe. It is about what we stand for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a cultural war as critical to the kind of nation. Will one day become, as was the Cold War itself. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it is sounding familiar. Sounding a little familiar. I can't wait. Didn't he say that he paved the way for Donald Trump or something like that? He sure did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he sure did. He also sure did. Did not he's not wrong about that? In 1996 pat? Buchanan ran as a Republican again this time aimed at unseating. Clinton rather than a sitting Republican president his popularity was immediately shocking to the Republican Party leadership. Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary handily by focusing on his desire to stop foreign workers from entering the United States to undercut American salaries. Buchanan won the highest percentage of New Hampshire voters concerned about jobs in the economy. 60% of his voters described themselves as very conservative and part of the religious right after Super Tuesday, a poll revealed that. 54% of those who considered abortion their most important issue voted for Buchanan, along with 46% of those most who are most concerned with the immigration. Now. Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby, which was basically a pack for racists, and his newsletter the spotlight, endorsed Buchanan officially this time. In their Republican voters guide. They noted that the wealthy and powerful American Jewish community, popularly known as the Jewish lobby or the Israeli lobby, does not like Pat Buchanan and claimed his victory would constitute the greatest political revolution in history. OK, So what? Have marked a pretty ****** ** political revolution. It was the word greatest. Yeah. Not exactly the language I use, but yeah. Now, Buchanan also earned the support of a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens. You heard about those guys? No, they're very far right lobbying group. They have a website that hosts articles, news articles, it including, it's still around this day. And one of the very popular articles, types of articles that they like to host a focus on what they call black on white crime and the Council of Conservative citizens, interestingly enough, is the website that was cited by Dylan Roof and his manifesto. Was the thing that radicalized him into shooting up a black church in Charleston? Yeah, interesting. Cool how these people read things and get radicalized. Yeah, that is interesting. Sort of nifty, hyper focused topics that rhetoric choose to write about. Didn't know one point. Breitbart have a black creature, did she? Got rid of it? Sure did. Have a black crime tab. They got rid of it after all the yeah yeah. Now Buchanan also teamed up with Pat Robertson's Christian coalition. With all these far right voters together, Pat was not able to beat Bob Dole, but he was able to force doll in the Republican Party to harden their anti abortion stances and add anti immigrant planks to the platform demanding a change to the 14th amendment. Bob Dole seated on these issues but refused to let Pat have a good speaking slot at the 1996 convention. So. Brave, brave of you, Bob. Stick it to him. Stick it to the. Probable Nazi Speaking of **** pills Speaking of **** pills. Yeah, Bob Dole and me. Both trailblazers. Buchanan's eventual caving to the Republican Party bummed out the white nationalist who had helped lead him to prominence. OHS they had let him down, let his constituents down. The idea of, like, bummed out white nationalists. Music? Yeah, just like moping, kicking rocks in their clan uniforms. Cool, good. Oh shooks. Yeah, they'd expected and urged him to walk out of the convention rather than yield to the mainstream free trade loving, non concentration camp supporting moderates of the Republican Party. One Ohio clansman ruefully lamented in the history of presidential politics, 1996 will go down as the year that Pat Buchanan cast away the political opportunity of a lifetime. He raised and spent some 30 million. Yet what is there in the end to show for all this? 1996 would prove to be the high watermark of Pats presidential ambitions, but it would not be his last major effort to secure the presidency. He ran again in the year 2000, and this time he didn't run as a Republican. Now, younger listeners who haven't spent a lot of time watching old episodes of The Simpsons may not remember a fun little tyke named Ross Perot, but the rest of us do. Oh, Ross Perot. He is a preposterously rich, very, very tiny man who once owned a large chunk of the city of Dallas. In a small mercenary army, he ran for president, and according to Republican lore, he cost George HW Bush his reelection. Now, Perot ran as part of the Reform Party, which, you know, he founded the Reform Party. Yeah, and he did well enough to qualify for federal funding in the 2000 general election. However, Ross Perot decided not to run in 2000, so suddenly there was an opening for anybody who might want to take up his mantle. Pat Buchanan saw this as an opportunity. He decided to use his good name and prominence in national politics to try and get the job. At a convention in Greenbelt, MD, Buchanan told 150 people about his plan to use the Reform Party to break up the two party monopoly he promised them if he was elected. At that very moment, their new world order comes crashing down, but mentioning the NWO, Buchanan was directly playing towards the militia crowd. People like Tim McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber who believed in a secret international conspiracy that was in the process of taking over the world. The New World order was also frequently called the Jew World Order, and although Pat never said those words, you can kind of assume they were. Yeah, you know he's helped him. Yeah, he felt them. Yeah. During the Greenbelt Reform Party meeting, Buchanan posed for a photograph with the representative from Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby, who tried to hand him the latest issue of spotlight. Buchanan told him allegedly. I've already read it. I've got a copy at my house. Yikes. Yikes. That one hurt. That's bad. Look, in order to press his candidacy, Pepe Cannon did what all good wanna be presidents do. He wrote a book? A Republic, not an empire. We're going to talk about that book in a little bit, but first, products and services. You got it. You nailed it. You got it way faster. All right, let's get you on jeopardy. 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Isn't that funny? It's not funny at all. It's depressing. Very depressing. Religious history is back with more. Listen to revisionist history on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I've never seen less enthusiasm for a great idea in my life. We're back. Ah, again. Did you miss us? I missed us. I know. Me too now. When we left, I was talking about the book that Pat Buchanan wrote to to to kick off his 2000. A Republic, not an empire now a Republic, not an empire was published by a publishing house you may not have heard of. Called Regnery Publishing. Regnery. Regnery publishing. Well, you guys have heard it once before, but I don't. I'm not surprised that you don't. You don't recognize it. When we we did an episode earlier about the history of the American fascist movement back in the 20s and 30s. And we talked about a dude named William Regnery senior who was one of the chief financial backers of the America first movement, a fascist political campaign in the 1930s aimed at aligning the United States with Nazi Germany. His son. Runs Regnery Publishing and would later go on to fund the National Policy Institute, which, of course, is where Richard Spencer came to work. You got connected? Yeah. I love it too. It's good stuff. I spider web. Not to be contrarian. I hate it. Yeah, it's it's gross. Bums me out. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, according to the New York Times review of Buchanan's book, Mr Buchanan's thesis that Hitler offered no physical threat to the United States as of the late 1940s, and the Booker Republic not an empire, Mr Buchanan analyzes the history of American foreign policy and questions whether Hitler sought or with the West or was driven to it. Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests after his initial victories across Europe in 1939 and 1940, Mr Buchanan writes. In a separate chapter criticizing the power of numerous American ethnic groups over foreign policy, Mr Buchanan writes, after World War Two, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost an obsession with American leaders. Yeah, pat, other people are obsessed. Yeah, God. At one point in the book, Pat writes this had Britain and France not given the war guarantees to Poland, there might have been no Dunkirk, no blitz, no vishi, no destruction of the Jewish populations of Europe. If if we just let Hitler invade Poland unchecked, there would have been no Holocaust except for the Jews that they instantly started killing as soon as they moved into Poland. Do you think that? The Holocaust happened because it was mad about the whole like what? Like now I'm going to blame you. Kill all the Jews. I think he thinks of like Hitler committing the Holocaust as like as like a guy hitting his car because it breaks down on him, right? Yeah. I think the other real thing is that. He's OK with the killing, that dude. He's not a big thing. He's saying. Yeah, why? People care. It's not his preference. He would have wished they'd have gotten moved to maybe Madagascar. Yeah, right. It's the movement you move. But only because it looks bad. But only because of you. Check out their platform in 1933, PET. Yeah, tell me what you think. Can't campaign took off like wildfire among fringe political circles, only stymied slightly by the fact that one of his fundraisers, a British national named Mark Cotterell, was building a network of Buchanan supporters that included members of the National Alliance and explicitly neo-Nazi group funded by George Lincoln Rockwell disciple William Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries Stop it, Stop. Ah the painful ohh you just can't keep these masses off of them. All these ohh guy go wire all these Nazis are yeah God hovered in Nazi covered in it's that. It's that onion article where all these homosexuals sucking my ****. Pat. Pat. Jesus Christ. Now Pat Buchanan's I think wife who ran his campaign fired Mark along with twenty other volunteers, which was meant to prove that the campaign was completely intolerant of racists and fascists. But the fact that there were more than 20 of them to fire kind of belies that man. Pat now Buchanan picked his running mate as his running mate Ezola Foster, a 62 year old black woman anti immigrant activist. She became a Republican during the Reagan era and joined the John Birch Society in the mid 1990s as Ola was an outspoken advocate of the Confederate flag, which she considered a symbol of heritage, saying the war was more about states rights than anything else. During her acceptance speech she promised voters if anybody knows a racist. I do. Pat Buchanan ain't no racist. Oh girl, if anyone. Of all the people like the rate the I, I, you know, I know a racist. Fun times. Pat Buchanan himself promised to redefine what it means to be a conservative in America, and it's likely that his promises cause serious worry for George W Bush and crew. Remember, these folks already accepted as given that Perot's Reform Party candidacy cost their last Bush an election, they were not about to let that happen again. Enter. It's not your stone and a quirky little fella named Donald. There it is. Yeah, as soon as you're like, the Reform Party is like, got it? Yeah, Donald Trump. According to NBC News, Trump, too, was against NAFTA and spoke of global trade deals as a drain on American jobs. And he was for strict immigration policy. We have to take care of the people who are here, he said. But he drew a bright line when it comes to Buchanan's tone. He seems to be a racist and accused him of cultivating support from the bigoted fringes. On slow days, Trump wrote in an op-ed. He attacks gays, immigrants, welfare recipients. Even zulus? When cornered, he says he's misunderstood. On a trip to California between a meeting with reform activists, a paid speech, and a taping of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Trump visited the Simon Wiesenthal Centers for Museum at the Centers Museum of Tolerance, which sought to shine a light on racism and injustice around the world. After his tour, Trump told reporters that Buchanan should come here and have a talk with Rabbi Cooper and his staff and talk things out a bit. He added we must recognize bigotry and prejudice and defeat it wherever it appears. That guy go. I hate him so much. He's such a ***** ** ****. Like, what a God, what a absolutely opportunistic piece issue. Yeah. No, nothing means anything to him. Also, like, the idea of, like, Oh yeah, Pat Buchanan went to the Museum of tolerance is like, he's good now. Oh no, no. This is Donald Trump. No, I know. But I'm saying, like, he's like, oh, I think. I think Patrick. Come here. Yeah, yeah. The idea that, like a visit would would solve Pat Buchanan. Yeah. Go into it rather than him. Just like kind of like trying to hide his his crotch from view as he, like, walks. Through the concentration camp photos because he's a ******* Nazi? Yeah, I think that was clear. Now, one question about Pat Buchanan. Hitler wasn't all that bad. Book. Donald Trump said this. Pat says Hitler had no malicious intent towards the United States. Hitler killed 6 million Jews and millions of others. Don't you think it was only a question of time before he got to us? He tackled Europe 1st and we were next. That's amazing. When asked whether he had read the book, Mr Trump stated. I've seen the phrases we're dealing with. Music. Ohh that is it. I've seen the phrase, I've seen the phrases where I had to include that line. It's perfect. That's that's. Is Trump. That's Trump classic right there. Yeah, that's really, really Trump classic. Seen the phrases we're dealing with? It's just like the like, we've seen the phrases we're dealing with, we're dealing with is such a weird like, he talks so weird. He talks very weird. He doesn't understand words. Or he does. He does. He does. Yeah. On a very masterful level. Yeah. Who knows? Not me. Trump's campaign was able to take a significant amount of wind out of Pat Buchanan sales, but it was not enough to stop Pat Buchanan. Reform Party candidacy Buchanan made his way onto the ballot in several states, including Florida and Palm Beach County, a liberal stronghold. He received 3407 votes on 1st count. Local Reform Party officials realized at once that this count was completely bogus. Buchanan himself, in an interview, stated that only three to 400 of those votes were really his and the rest were misreads, he told an interviewer. The rest, I am sure, were Gore votes. Florida Secretary of State and Bush Campaign Co chair, decided that recounts were not necessary. The Democrats challenged this, and the issue was. Into the courts, leading to a final Supreme Court decision to end the recounts. The 3000 votes Buchanan himself believed were for Al Gore went to him instead. This left Bush ahead in Florida by 500 bucks, so that's cool. I think we differ on that. I think, I don't know, but it's cold like ice cold, ice cold, ice, ice, ice frozen. Yeah, that's that's a dark, yeah, that's a dark path to think about too much. In a recent Politico article on his life, Pat Buchanan was branded the Forrest Gump of Politics name, which would be apt if Forrest Gump had a balls deep history of anti-Semitism and cavorting with Nazis. But still, you can't deny that there's something to the idea. For every major swing American politics that's taken in my lifetime, at least Pat Buchanan has been there to make sure things break just a little bit worse than they otherwise would have. This pattern has continued into the Trump era. In January of 2019, USA TODAY published an article titled Trump. That's Pat Buchanan. Full ******* circle. Last week, Buchanan wrote an article that implored Trump to declare a national emergency on the southern border because mass migration from the global S, not climate change, is the real existential crisis of the West. Trump has publicly considered such a declaration as a way to go around Congress in order to secure funding for a wall in the US Mexico border. On Sunday, the president quoted a portion of Buchanan's post in a pair of tweets. The first said the Trump portrait of an unsustainable border crisis is dead on and then listed a number of immigration related crime statistics. Buchanan did not cite the source of the data. But the context indicated it was from the Trump administration. The southern border quote is eventually going to be militarized and defended, or the United States as we have known it is going to cease to exist and Americans will not go gentle into that good night. The second tweet quoted now this is interesting to me for a reason not to detail you. Cannon's words, which were quoted by the President, are particularly fascinating in light of the Christchurch shooting that would occur roughly 2 months later. The Shooter's manifesto, titled The Great replacement focused around his belief that the white race. Being exterminated through immigration from non white people into majority white nations. The shooter ended his manifesto by citing the same Dylan Thomas poem that Pat quoted expressing his desire that the white race not go gentle into that good night before pumping rounds into dozens and dozens of men, women and children. Seems like you got cool from Pat. Thank you, pat. Thank you, pat. And that's pat. That's pat. That was pat, not Pat when I'm about to say, but talking about Al Gore, I always think. God, if you'd won, we'd be so good on climate change right now. We'd be so. We'd have, we would have to. We would have made such modest and minor changes. Yeah, that's thing like for decades, like, you just do this, just do that, and then it gets worse and worse and then you got to do more extreme things. Yes, as time goes by, it's one of those things. When I was a kid, Pat Buchanan was a name I heard a number of times he was, I don't know, my dad was like a huge backer of Pat Buchanan. Like he was a pretty mainstream Republican voter. But he liked Pat and quote cited him as like someone he thought really got it and would be a good candidate. And I don't know how much of Pat Buchanan he actually knew. I'm going to guess he just heard some sound bites on TV. Right. This stuff that's more palatable. Yeah, not the watered down kind of stuff. Cavorting with Nazis bits. Will your dad listen to this? Oh yeah, I hope so. Yeah. Hi, dad. Hi. Hi, my dad. I don't think you're a Nazi, but I think you got hoodwinked by one. A lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people get. It's kind of what they do. Kind of their goal, kind of their goal, yeah. So products and service. Cool connections of awful people throughout history. They know everything up to. Yeah, they all know each other. They all agree with each other. Yeah, you could, you could. You could like, almost you you really, actually really could play like, if we're doing like a degrees of of George Lincoln Rockwell, you get George Lincoln Rockwell directly to William Pierce, to that British guy who was on staff with Pat Buchanan to pat 4-4 degrees. Not that. Not that far. What a fun game. What a fun game you could play. I'm only 1 degree. Away from Heinrich Himmler, by the way. Really? I got to shake hands and and have an interview with a guy who'd been in the Hitler Youth when he was 14, when the war ended and got to meet all of the because they would regularly do what you look at these pictures and stuff. So, yeah, wow. For yeah, for me. Herman Gerring, too. You won the game. I won the Nazi game. Yeah, it's a terrible game that no one should play. Did you know Hitler was a good soldier? That's wonderful. Tell me more. What else was good about him? Good soldier. Yeah. Yeah, fine. Like he did. He did his job while he got awards for it. Like it? Yeah. It's so we're a lot of men who didn't commit. Yeah. He got traumatized. He got traumatized, and that's why he did all the things. And this is again about Jordan Peterson, his views of Hitler. Yeah, it's. I mean, it's one of those things. Like, it's such a messy thing. Like, it's totally worth discussing. For example, Hitler spent literally four years in the trenches at the very front. And was exposed to an enormous amount of artillery fire. And we have now learned in recent years from our soldiers that constant exposure to artillery and explosions causes essentially CTE, the same thing that NFL players get. And like yeah, it's there's a very good chance that not just Hitler, but a lot of Nazis, most of whom were veterans may have been impacted in some way on like a physical level by like the damage done to their brain. Totally possible reasonable thing to talk about and want to explore. Absolutely. Which doesn't mitigate it because again a lot of people out there with. TE and traumatic brain injuries who do not kill 6 million Jewish people. Exactly. Compelling. Compelling point about about how other people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well right it's how you approach it and it's it's there's again I'm not rant about Jordan Peterson for a long time, but like it's the, it's framing things like that that justify the actions as opposed to exploring things that contribute to it and not like really looking at like where does the ideology come away like because because the people who focus entirely on like, oh, you know, he got brain damaged. Get traumatized to the front in this cause, well, they ignore all that he wrote and said and all the people who knew him when he was in that hostile in Vienna as a homeless young man. Said about the fact that these little tracks, which were basically like the the viral image memes, the ******* 4 Chan of its time. These like anti-Semitic tracts that would be printed out cheaply by the hundreds and passed around for free on the streets of Vienna. Hitler was obsessed with them and collected them and talked about them and read them to everybody and like that was probably more of a factor. Potential brain damage. Like, yeah, you're talking about like the, like, putting the infirm or like to say like disabled people in camps. Like, I've, I've heard Peterson talk about how, like, oh, it was because, you know, Hitler had like this weird, like OCD and aversion to like germs and stuff. And then it got worse and worse and worse as time went on. It's like. Because they didn't work and contribute to society. Because he thought that it was worth more for Germany to win the war than those people to exist. Refer to them as useless eaters. Yeah, not like they're grouse. Like, it's it's it's approaching it. He was discussing noring other stuff. He was disgusted by their inability to further his dreams of conquest, right? Yeah, right. It wasn't like this weird. Like, right. It's just weird. Like, it's not because it's not Holocaust revisionism, but like it. Form of yeah. Justification. Justification is yeah yeah it's there's so many. I'm a big studying Hitler fan. There's so many dumb debates that we have about the guy that are are deeply frustrating. Like the people who will focus on the minutiae of like well, we don't have his name on any documents signing away the Holocaust. So we don't we don't actually know that it was unreal making crazy like guys. What are you doing? Honestly? What? What do you what is the outcome you want from this conversation? Yeah. And what do you want me to think of? You? Are you. Are you are you looking at World War Two and, like, taking out of it, maybe we weren't quite fair to Hitler. Right. That's the thing. Like, all these discussions, like, what is the logical conclusion and goal of, of this approach? Yeah. If you extrapolate it and you go a little farther, like, OK, so you're just like, it's just Hitler apologism and then you're justifying those actions. With different justifications and making it seem valid, like it's it's all gross again. What's the point? What's the point? What's the point? What's the point? What's the point? You know what the point is. Is is not an ad pivot. It's time for y'all to plug your plug. Here. My name's Katie Stoll, who I hated that. Love your name? Very. No, the way I said it, like a cheerleader. Or like I was sleeping for a commercial audition that's only for actors to care about. I'm Katie stoll. We have a show, some more news on YouTube. We've got a podcast, even more news, where you get podcasts. Also true Cody. My name is Cody Johnston. You can follow me on Twitter at Doctor, Mr Cody or some more news is the Twitter account for that. Also patreon.com/somemore news if you want to support the show in some way. 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