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We are back and we're gonna be talking today as we did one of the last times we talked about Ben Shapiro's 2013 book **** Generation, how liberalism is corrupting our future. Yeah, we're back on. We're drier than ever. Yeah, we are. We are doing bone dry now, Sophia, obviously, because I returned the the Kindle edition of Ben's book last time, I had to go get it again and as I was typing. To Google, I mistyped the title because it's **** generation. I typed generation sex into the title and lo and behold, guess what? I got a result fora Ben Shapiro book from 2005. Now, when I look at it on Amazon, it's called generation sex. Explore exposing the full frontal assault on American innocence assault. No. You know the only thing, the only person that knows less about pleasing a woman than present day adult Ben Shapiro is 16 year old. Passed bench. Yeah, yeah, ******* child. Ben Shapiro. Well, I don't know how. When was he? Look forward to finding out how he hedgehog a bunch of ladies services while ********* because he did not know how to ******* hurt. His fingers, whatever. He was born in 1984, so he would have been, what, 21? This would have been 21 year old Ben Shapiro? Yeah. Don't trust him. Yeah. Don't don't let him near anywhere near Evolva. What are you doing? Certainly not. I I don't want him exposing anything of himself, but he published this, apparently in 2005. It's 320 pages. Published by Thomas Nelson Inc. Amazon says that there was only a hardcover available, and the book is currently unavailable. They don't know when it will be back in stock. Yeah, if you haunted on eBay, if you have a copy or find a copy of Ben Shapiro's 2005 book Generation Sex, I, Sophia and I and I think we can speak for Cody Johnston in this would would very much appreciate getting our hands on that little *******. The I do mean Ben Shapiro. We mean. No, we mean the book. I do want to read the good reads summary of this book because I found that. So let's let's let's dive in. American Society, according to Ben Shapiro, is a sex machine. From movies to sitcoms, wrapped to rock teen mags to ***** rags, American culture has become a pusher of promiscuity and perversion. And in this sharp, audacious, fearless book, Shapiro, the most prominent young conservative in the nation, reveals the gross over sexualization of our society and how it targets youth culture, from early education, or rather indoctrination, to the disastrous world of sex, lust and immorality that pervades our high schools. Colleges and beyond. By clearly identifying the problems, many unnoticed or ignored, of an out of control MTV culture, overly sexual ad campaigns, and an overly permissive mainstream media, Shapiro illustrates the dangers and devastating consequences awaiting today's kids who are, in essence, being sexually assaulted on a daily basis. Shapiro also provides real, solid and often drastic solutions for what we can and must do to stop the corruption of America's youth. Ah, damn, I'm sorry. Sexually assaulted? That is deranged. Among other things, how out of touch do you have to be in 2005 to think that MTV is a major force in youth culture? Again, 2005. I remember too. I was in high school in 2005. I don't know anybody who watched him TV except for like, my gin X cousins. OK, I was in college. That hurts. But the point is, yes, that's yes, simply out of touch. And also, I cannot imagine being more out of touch than referring to anything as a sex machine. Yeah. When you're 21 years old, I mean, and I know you was like, this is a ******* killer pun. Yeah, like, this is ******* sick. Everyone's gonna wanna be my best friend. It's good. It's really gonna blow up my social calendar. Yeah, I mean, and again, as we've noted. Like, his premise is as inaccurate here as it is in his 2013 book. Like young, young people are less promiscuous than previous generations for a variety of reasons, which we don't need to litigate now, but the data is incredibly consistent on that point, yeah. And yeah, it's I I wanna read this book. There's something horrific to be said about the fact that he he talks about how kids being exposed to, I'm guessing Janet Jackson's ***** at the Super Bowl are being sexually assaulted. The fact that he considers, I don't know, everyone not wearing Puritan garb to be sexual assault is offensive for a lot of reasons, and says a lot about Ben Shapiro's mindset. But yeah, so I just love the life experiences. Of a man that have been so sheltered and adorable that he can use sexually assaulted phrase so liberally without thinking about it even a little bit. Anyway, generation sex on a on Goodreads has 12 ratings. An average of 2.58 out of five. Sounds like a good book. Yeah, that's a lot higher. That means someone went over too. That does mean someone went over too. That's not good news for us. And they did not read the most positive review. Please. There are no positive reviews that are written like the the the three written reviews are all negative towards review of just, I think Ben came in there. I think a bunch of people gave it two stars and Ben gave it 5 like I think I I think that's probably what happened. That's realistic. Yeah. Sounds like our old, our our good lad Ben Shapiro. But now it's probably time that we we dive into **** generation. We we do this, we get face deep in the **** generation. I think we could all get time saved. Bench Bureau just admitted he was bad at sex. I mean, it's not that he's bad at sex, it's that he's terrified of it. And in a manner that like completely, to use an old term completely like a like he's, he's clearly. Deeply frightened by the idea that other people enjoy sex. Like, that's what's going on with Ben Shapiro. He's he is scared that there are people out there ******* and enjoying it. And I think it's because that he doesn't get it. And the only thing to do when you don't get something is to hate it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's, he's he's just on the edge of being of the in cell mindset in a lot of ways. Like, like, like he's framing it as like everybody's having all this sex and it's like super immoral and it's it's damaging society. And the in cell line is that like a small number of like hypersexual men are having sex with all of the women and women just want to take all of the Big Chad car like that's that's the in cell line in binz's. 15%, you know, away from that line, but but not that far and some of it's just using slightly different terms. And I think that also ties into, like, the fear of, like, trans people and queer culture in general. Because, like, Can you imagine that not only are people having sex and enjoying themselves, but they might be doing it in a way that he has not thought of yet? Yeah. And I I think that's. I'm sure if no one told him about going down on women, he, like, would have never considered it. Not that he considers it now, but I mean, like, it just wouldn't occur to him. I am certain that he thinks it should be illegal to to perform oral sex. I agree. Yeah. And he also thinks butts should be illegal. Yeah, he definitely thinks butts should be illegal. Alright, so I was just looking into one of the sources bent so, like after you remember when we were talking last time, we kind of ended on been been talking about this young woman, Katie, who he interviewed about sex Ed, who was like, yeah, it was fine. I felt like I got good sex Ed. I didn't have sex until I was like a, you know, 19, she was like, and they broke Katie. Yeah. And yeah. And Ben was like they look at. I mean, sure she's well adjusted and successful in doing well at an Ivy League institution, but what other damage could there be that we can't see? Like, OK, so he goes from, like, he talks about Katie and like, how like he he's got this like his actual case study of someone who went through this sex Ed he's horrified by is that like, yeah. You know, eventually I had sex and it was fine. And I feel good about, you know, healthy about where I am. And she seems to be doing great. And so, like, the case study he brings up to I to point out how bad all this actually is, is a book by Tom Wolfe about a fictional girl named Charlotte Simmons. And I I read into this we we made fun of the fact last time. Just that, like, he's his, he's arguing that, like, this is evidence of how teens actually are. This book written by a man who was in his 60s when he published this book and to and it's also, I read more about it because it's like one of the most panned in hated Tom Wolfe books. So like this book about young people, like 19 year olds in 2004 written by Tom Wolfe. Everyone has a pager and the Internet is never mentioned. No one knows more about young people. Than old people. Everybody knows ******* Tom Wolfe. It's very funny. So one of the people he brings in as a source after this is a Kay Hymowitz, who is the author of a book called Ready or Not, Why Treating Children as small adults endangers their future and ours. And she, I I kind of looked into this lady a little bit like by a little bit being her Wikipedia. And I found a couple of quotes from her articles that people have pulled out. Here's one from a Wall Street Journal editorial marital breakdown is not rampant across the land. It is concentrated among low income. Two black couples. Americans seem to have a lot of trouble grasping this fact, probably because so much public space is taken up by politicians, celebrities and journalists with marriage on the skids. She argues that like. Divorce is declining among well educated white people and that couples are happier than ever. Which I I don't think the evidence suggests. Yeah, well, I mean the divorce rate in recent years has been declining. It was not in 2000. Yeah, yeah. But I believe it's fewer and fewer people are getting married. Yes, a lot fewer people that will account for less divorce. Kind of how that goes. So yeah, he cites shortly after he's talking about Katie. He cites Kay Hymowitz's book ready or not, what happens when we treat children as small adults. And in that, Kay argues that anti culturalists are people who believe that childhood sexuality left on its own, free of social interference, will flourish and grow and healthy way. So like, that's her attitude. Is that like. If you just let kids kind of do what comes naturally and provide them with information and become perverts, yeah, yeah, it's anti cultural to do that. It's anti cultural to not try and take control of the direction of your child's sexuality and dictate it. And then been quotes a long passage from Kays terrible book, drained of all feeling but physical pleasure rationalized into Filofax personal organizer entries. The sex given to us by this ministry is little more than techno fantasy. They do not see the alternately. Insecure and grandiose, idealistic and crude, perpetually glandular teenager. Most of us know their teenager, like that of so many other experts, is rational, self aware and autonomous. Information is all these kids need, they say, information in some deprogramming to counteract societies continuing efforts to pervert their healthy sexual natures. So now we have a nation of teenagers who are information rich but knowledge poor. They and their 10 year old, brothers and sisters for that matter. Maybe adults when it comes to technical information. Certainly their putative sophistication about sexual matters is the subject of endless head shaking. The parents in the media. But as they approach graduation and the anti cultural school of self-sufficiency, they remain predictably illiterate when it comes to real human connection. OK, so the reason my face looks like this is because I'm still trying to get over perpetually glandular. Perpetual. Yeah, glandular, yeah. It's this idea. Like, teens are so controlled by their their emotions, and so that you have to that you have to parents have to have total control over them. So this idea that, like, my my parents had, that like, as your parent, it is my job to exercise total control over you if I think you're doing something that's not healthy, which is bad and makes your kid not want to talk to you for years. By the way, if parents happen to be here, yeah, it's not a great sign when your child is afraid to tell you anything that has to do when they're authentic sexual development. And it is like, what? It's this thing where, like, there's always a germ of truth in this thing. And the germ of truth is that, well, yeah, teenagers aren't done developing like they're they're not adults. They shouldn't be treated entirely as adults. They don't have the kind of impulse control that we expect. Adults to have. But the only way they get that kind of control and become adults is by being given greater and greater autonomy and power over their own lives and information to make good choices and space to make choices and mistakes like and I don't think, I don't think Ben ever got that. I think Ben was directed like a like a ******* missile from the time he was a child by his his family to like become this. So I guess I get why he agrees with that, but it is, it's this terror. You see in Kaye's book in in bins book about like giving teenagers a chance to just like be themselves and figure out who that is. That that that to them is like not just scary but like obviously abusive is is their attitude towards just like yeah, kids should be allowed to figure **** out for themselves, which I mean I think is the basis of a healthy society. I think honestly I think that's the. As someone that has zero children, I think that's the thing that seems the hardest about having a teenager is so much of their understanding is so advanced, but they're not done developing yet. Their brain will keep changing well into their 20s. Yeah, so to trade them as full on adults is wrong. That's why we don't date teenagers. Yep, unless we are morally corrupt. And it is also why. When teenagers get accused of crimes, it's a different thing. Your brain is not really able to to make the same decisions and understand consequences in understand priorities in the same way that an adult's brain is. That is what that is. So I'm sure the hard thing about raising teenagers walking that line of like, yeah, I want you to be safe, but also I want you to be a person that learns how to make your own decisions. And it seems like Ben thinks the safest thing is to, well, never let anyone. Make any decisions and then that way they will learn everything they need to know. Well, actually, he thinks the safest thing is to lie to them. Well, same thing. Yeah, it is. So he he he he quotes Doctor Drew Pinsky, host of Love Line, when she says as a peer program, the sort of scare tactics that are used with abstinence only education really don't seem to work. And this is some, there's a lot of statistics backing this up. Abstinence only education does not reduce the number of teens ******* each other or teen pregnancies or STD. Like, it's not good. It's fine to tell kids that it's OK to be abstinent. That's perfectly reasonable. But like abstinence. Only education is not reasonable and doesn't work, and there's a lot of documentation, so many studies that prove that. Also Doctor Drew red flag. Yeah, I mean, but Doctor Drew comes across as the good guy in this because he here's here's how Ben responds to Doctor Drew. Yes, using scare tactics is wrong in most situations, but when the subject cannot comprehend the harmful consequences of an action yet not yet taken, then fear is an appropriate motivator to inhibit such an action. It's always comical to watch a parent engage a 2 year old child in a Socratic dialogue about why the kid can't cross the street without an adult present. A 2 year old child can't understand the concept of death, just as a 10 year old child can't understand the crucial emotional loss and desensitization suffered as a result of sex without rules. Fear of consequences, whether those consequences are spiritual or physical, is a critical component to teaching restraint. The **** is sex without rules, the sex without? That's because it's it's one of those things like people he's just like naturally doing SNM without safe words because that's what it sounds like. You know? Because in a perfectly, I think that is both would be both consistent with conservatism and also in a thing that no human being could agree with is if you just said 10 year old shouldn't be having sex they're not ready to have sex statement 100% of reasonable people agree with it doesn't say that he understands they can't handle sex without rules. Like like, it's kind of scary that he's making that distinction, but he's like the dangers that pederasty leave till 10 year olds might be having ruleless sex. I don't think 10 year old should be *******. Ben. Like, what kind of rules would make it OK? Only I don't come out to dinner 1st and buy them, poke him. Well, I I mean, I don't know if this is what Ben is saying. I think he's just a bad writer. But like one of the obvious things that, like, it's actually very easy to marry 121314 year olds as an adult in a lot of U.S. states. If the parents agree, and it's specifically because they were religions where that chunks of Christianity in the US were, **** like that happens. We're like 14 year olds getting married off and nobody on the right is fighting to stop it because it's part of their culture. To marry off children. It's not like you say what you want about it. They they don't they don't fight that ****. Not that there are Christians who fight that **** but like, the the right is an organized political force is making no inroads to stop these, like, weird ******* religious kind of culty marriages that happen all over the ******* country. It's great. It's good **** Sophia. ******* lucky. Oh, he brings up Katie again. He takes a shot at. He takes a shot at our girl. Katie. How ******* dare you, I'm sure, Katie. If you're listening, if you're the, I think Yale student who Ben Shapiro interviewed about sex, First off, you did great. Second hit, hit us up. I'm really curious about how that conversation with Ben went. Agreed. And also, way to just keep your head about yourself, Katie, when questioned about sorry, you had to talk to Ben Shapiro about your sex life, that that can't have been easy for you, your mental health or your sex life. Yeah, social liberals. Also argues Katie does, that kids will have sex sooner or later, so it's better to prepare them for it while they're young. This kind of cynical resignation has less to do with realism than with promoting a certain political agenda. In reality, social liberals abandoned determinism whatever it conflicts with their moral outlook. They say that educating kids about cigarette use means telling them to say no under all circumstances, instead of teaching them that if they do decide to smoke, they should use filters to minimize their health risks. Ben, how are you going to buy cigarettes? That felt, and unless Ben Shapiro thinks there's a **** load of third graders out there rolling their own sickness, which he's like. I love the image of their strict Pall Mall community. Just a bunch of kids standing around the the stick ball pitch like one handed rolling cigarettes, smoking them with 1000 yard stare. I guess in Ben Shapiro is America. That's the kind of **** you gotta watch out for. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when he gets coal mining legalized for children again, there will be a lot of a lot of seven-year olds one handed rolling their cigarettes as they wait to go down on the ******* elevator into the dark. Yeah, but please don't let them have sex without rules, because as long as they're not ******* bins, fine with it. Sex at 7 just now with our rule. It also been Ben telling kids to just say no to drugs, including cigarettes, isn't a liberal. Thing that's that's all of American politics for like 20 years. Republicans and Democrats were lock step up stuff about that. **** like the Democrat. Joe Biden was a big part of the whole mandatory minimum ****. You tell him you wanna pretend to me that conservatives and liberals were not both lockstep about just say no policies, I'll call you a ******* liar. Ben Shapiro. Ron Paul's the only guy who gets who who's I? I don't think falls into that on the right because whatever else you can say about him, he was. Insistent on that. Yeah, it's ******* wow, Ben. Social liberals want to prevent children from knowing anything about gun use instead of training children to use firearms responsibly. Apparently kids won't use guns sooner or later if we tell them no. Well, OK, number one, I agree, Ben. There's 400 million guns in the country. Kids should probably be given a little bit more instruction on, like, what they are and how they work. They're basic aspects of American life. There's an argument to be made, but most kids will never have a gun. Most Americans don't own guns 100% of Americans own. In adults, and pretty close to 100% of American adults have sex at some point. There's just not, like a comparison between the two. And for another thing, like a gun is a thing that you can buy. Sex is a thing that human beings kind of inherently do to make more people. It's like, there's not comparing the two. One is just for fundamental. Yeah. It's like saying, like, well, we don't teach kids how to drive in school, but we teach them nutrition. It's like, well, yeah, because not all kids are gonna own cars, but they'll all eat. Like you could argue maybe we should have something in high school. Like teaches kids about her. Like, whatever. It's like, I'm not gonna fight against it, but like one thing is more basic than the other. Been you also can't kill anybody. Well. It's harder to with some people with sex, yeah, it can be done. It can be done. Most social liberals would prefer that kids be sexualized younger so that they can become more tolerant of deviant lifestyles. And what everyone used to acknowledge is immoral choices. The liberal sexual agenda underlies the teaching of sex education. As David Campos, author of Sex, Youth and Sex Education, a reference handbook, proclaims, to achieve a sexually healthy lifestyle, youth must acquire a positive and comfortable attitude about sex frankton fact based discussions about topics once considered taboo or essential abortions, condoms, ************ oral sex, and homosexuality. Are among the topics to be found. And comprehensive sex education programs, obviously that that ******* terrifies Ben. And he responds to that by saying Katie statements that she can't remember any moral judgments being made sums up today's sex education because Ben thinks that ************ and condoms and homosexuality and oral sex. We don't. He does think oral sex is a moral. Clearly, anytime anyone comes, he thinks it's immoral. Essentially. Yeah, unless unless you're trying to make Ben Shapiro's kids, which he only feels a little bad. Out. He doesn't want you to come then, either. Yeah, he doesn't want you then the kids are tainted forever with the sin of pleasure. Who wants that? Yeah, you want to become joyless automatons just like you. Yeah. Ohh boy. So Ben now quotes another woman at 20. He's he's he's careful to let us know she's a 23 year old black woman from Harvard Law. April Cornell. Wow, you have to meet a black person for this. He really did. Well, he says he did. I don't actually know of any of these are real people, but she says being a teenager sucks. Teenagers have way more choice today than they had 50 years ago. I have way more choice than my parents did when they were 15 or 16. It never would have occurred to my mom not to decide not to have sex or not, or decide not to use drugs. There are decisions I had to make as opposed to this is the way it is. I think kids are being forced into choices they're not ready to handle. Which is an interesting attitude, I guess, but I don't. Like, think makes much sense, I guess. I disagree with you, April and the statistics disagree with you too, because again, kids are choosing to have sex less. I wonder if I can find April Cornell. If she's an actual person, she probably changed her name after to her. It came out in this book. Yeah, I would. I would want to. Ohh, this may not be a real person. April court. I found it I I I typed in April Cornell Harvard because Ben let us know that she worked at Harvard and the the only result that came up was a Harvard Crimson article about April Cornell, which is a store that sells like a New England aesthetic clothing. Ohh God, wonder if Ben Shapiro just just learned that and yeah, that he said he knew that was like a store in New England. Kaiser Sosa. Yeah yeah, it's like a store chain. Ohh no. And there is an actual April Cornell who's an artist and entrepreneur. She was born in Montreal, Canada and she's pretty white. I and I I don't think has said any of the things been but the other this may not be a real person was Ann Taylor and then right after her. Diane von Furstenberg, it was a list of yeah, really, that's fascinating. I I wonder, like, I can't comprehensively say that that's not a real person, but it's very funny that when I typed that in in Harvard, I don't get any kind of alumni or anything. I get the Cornell store from his friend Lane Bryant and said yeah, also his friend Stella McCartney. And also he quotes a friend and roommate of hers next that I'm Ohio. I wonder if this is real. One SEC. I'm trying to dig into this now. Yeah. Does does his friend Walmart have anything to say? Yeah. Because he quotes the next after he talks to April, he quotes Michelle McCoy, her her roommate apparently, or friend. And Yep, I'm not finding any any references to her as working at Harvard at all either. Or being a student at Harvard at all. Either. So, so nothing, nothing comes up on either of these people. I don't know that I think they're real. I, I wonder, have been made-up all of these people. I wonder if Katie's even real or perhaps Katie's real. And he felt like he had to make up other Harvard students or other Ivy League students to, like, make a different point because they're saying, like, here's what, here's the quote he puts in Michelle's mouth. I think there's more, a lot more pressure because so many things are accepted. There's already enough pressure on teenagers to be cool and social, and when you get rid of any moral constraints that way upon them. It makes life a lot harder. I don't know that I think a person who's not Ben Shapiro would say that. That doesn't actually sound like a thing a person would say. I don't know. I I think that Shapiro may have invented people for his book. I can't. I can't prove that this is this is the only way to my theory. Yeah, if you are any of these people. If you are any of these people. If you are. And Taylor. Who are yeah, any of these people? Please let us know, cause the funniest thing would be if Katie's real, but he just invented these others to have a foil to her because she was so reasonable. But you know who is having a lot of sex, Sophia? Ohe gallons of it purchase these goods and services. 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It's been a lot. We talked about common good amount. We sure did. Oh wow. OK, so it Ben brings up this narrow the national abortions Rights Action League or whatever, like a campaign that carried off in the Bush years to like. Uh, like order. Try to order a chastity belt from George Bush. Which was, I guess, some sort of campaign they were going and bins response to that is the choice not to have sex as apparently not a real choice. A real choice is whether to use a condom or whether to get an abortion after having unprotected sex. And like no Ben, it's not that the choice not to have sex isn't a choice. It's that saying that the the only choice should be to not have sex is not a choice. You should have a choice to have sex or not have sex, to have sex unprotected, or using a condom to get an abortion or to carry a fetus. The term you should have those. All of those choices every person should have all of those choices. Don't act like Plan B I'm not saying those are the only choices. You can come on someone's **** like there's a lot of choice. You can use a dental dam. They're harder to find than you'd think. But you can use, you know, you have diaphragms. Yeah, use them harder to find. What's not. It's not a real choice. Just saying to choose abstinence. That's not a choice. That's giving someone no option. It's just just say no. Is not a choice as and just because you yourself are not a person. Their experiences? *********. Which is fine, me. And then I'm not judging you for it, but you're judging everyone who is *****. Yeah. And on the behalf of the ***** and the very ***** I am very offended. Mm-hmm. That's right. That's right. ***** action now. I don't know. I think. I think. Look, all I'm saying is I think grocery stores should have special parking for ***** people right up at the front. I agree. Hmm. This is what? ***** America. Looks like yeah, yeah. And if you park there and you're not ***** people should give you **** for it. What do we want? You don't look *****. Parking. When do we want it? Now. Hey, you see this guy just pulled into the ***** parking. He looked ***** to you. No. Doesn't look like he's ****** a day in his life. Let's get him ***** lynch mobs beating people who are horning it up in the street. He looks flacid to me, kiddo. Yeah. Her panties are dry. Cheater. He's driving a Hyundai Sonata. No ***** person ever drove a Hyundai Sonata? Was that a Kia? Get outta here. Yeah. No, no, no, absolutely be ***** in IKEA. That's you could. I think that's the only way you can be in a KS. That is. That is the car for *******. So, yeah, sex in the classroom is the next section. We are we are just blazing through this. It's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence regarding the dangers of comprehensive sex Ed. Young teens being taught about the benefits of oral sex, ************ and homosexual activity, all without parental notification. The Massachusetts Department of Health creating a video in eight 1989 explaining what to do before, during, and after sex. That's a that's a bad thing to bend. Just like, yeah, that there's that. There's a public health video explaining how sex. Before, during and after, yeah, quake. That assures the earthquake will take place. And it's like you. He's framing this as, like, decadent, modern values pushing sex. Like, my grandma was like 17 when she got married. Like, what do you been teenagers have been ******* since there have been teenagers. We might as well make sure they know the basics about what to do. Like, it's like if every teenager was born with a gun grafted onto their hand. I would be like, yeah, we definitely need to have. Gun training in school. They've all got one. They can't be removed. Every teenager has a gun permanently attached to their bodies. We should probably treat. Teach them how to use it. It's kind of like that, Ben. Does that make sense to you? Does comparing it to guns make it reasonable? Picture a gun, **** if you yeah. Then imagine that bullets are come, Ben. Can you imagine this? I mean, he doesn't know how to use guns or *** **** so it's true. It's true. Yeah. Imagine you're another human. Yeah. That's a big imagination you're asking to have. If you could do that, you could not be this much of a right wing ***** ** **** yeah? Oh, fun. So we get, we get a little bit of history here. Ben goes through the history of sex Ed and talks about who was initially sex hygiene, which is which is accurate. The first like sex Ed sort of campaigns were about like venereal diseases in particular, a lot of the times spreading among soldiers and like trying to tell people like, hey, here's how to not get syphilis right. Like that's that is kind of where like a lot of it came. But then he he still gets it wrong because he talks about how teaching of sex hygiene was largely incorrectly couched in moral. Terms the only way to cure the sexual evils thoroughly. The only way to dig them up at the roots was to prescribe the same standard of morality for a man As for a woman. Men must be as chaste as women. And like, no, Ben is actually just talking about one set. He's talking about guys like Harvey Kellogg, who who did say that we all have to be chased and that, like, you should do everything you can to not have sexual feelings. But that's separate from a lot of the medical history of sex education, which while there was a moral element, it was mainly because, like, you were going to damage your body, and you are. You know, a member of this society or a soldier in this military. And it's like your responsibility to not danger yourself like there was anyway. It's just been again deletes all nuance from his his recollection of the historical record because he's a goblin. Yeah. Then we we get on to Kinsey. I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to skip through the history stuff because I'm going to guess Ben gets all of it, more or less that incomplete. Today's sex Ed experience, for most members of the **** generation, is wedded to the idea of permissiveness and tolerance for all sorts of behaviors. As inherently sexual beings, the argument goes, our sexuality should not and cannot be contained by any system of morality. Sexuality is as much a natural characteristic as race. No? Ooh boy. Ohh man. Please, please let another ignoramus ******* talk about race. Yeah, this ******* he he zooms right over this because he again, he's talking about, like, how ****** it is. Like one of the things he strikes as being bad is that no form of sexual expression may be condemned and all must be taught. Which, like Ben, I went through sex Ed in the period you're writing about and we barely learned about, like, sexual intercourse, like there was no talk about ******** there was no talk about. Like **** ***. Other than, like, the vague reference that, like, a condom is always a good thing to have if you're having sex like this. This idea that kids are being instructed in elaborate sexual acts has, like, no basis in actual sex Ed programs. And not just that, but even the knowledge we received about sexual organs was wildly, like, patchy, I guess. Yeah, Patchy would be a good term for it, you know? I mean, I don't think that most people who went through. X said could tell you where the fallopian tubes are exactly how many eggs a woman has. I can tell you because anytime my friend Valerie has a joke about how many eggs a woman makes, and you can tell by only the women laughing and not even all of them, that men do not know how many eggs women make in a lifetime. And I know while I'm saying this, men are Googling this right now. And yeah, it's like, what, 40 should Google it because it's important. The point is. We don't learn enough. We don't learn enough. My best guy friend, only a couple years ago I found out he he's he's 40. I just found out that he doesn't he he thought that when a woman gets pregnant, she throws up one time. That's how she knows she's pregnant. And then she's done because of movies. Because that's how every movie lets you know that the characters pregnant, he pukes once. That's funny, all the women that he's ever heard complaining about morning sickness. He thought they meant the one time they thought, Oh my God, yeah, that's that's fascinating because that tells you so much about, like, oh, so you just, like, went around any pregnant people when you were when you were a kid? Like, Oh yeah. I don't know. Funny while still. It's just completely strange. But that is how little all of us know. Yeah, and it's like, I mean, men don't often know much about their own sexual organs. It's just that, thankfully, the operation is generally pretty simple. And yeah, it just the the level of, like, basic ignorance of really important facts, of of sex and of STD's, of, like stuff like herpes, like and how it spread and like, how common it is. Like, that's it. We're terrible. Like the idea, like, not only has been wrong about, like, what kids are actually doing, but he's completely off about the degree to which any of the education that does exist is explicit, because it's barely adequate. In the best of situations, like barely adequate is like the gold standard for sex Ed in in most public schools. And it's like it's telling because he he knows more or less what's being taught. He just thinks that it's obscene that like that the 16 year old would know at all the basic process by which two people have sexual intercourse, or the idea that **** *** is an option, like the fact that they know that is abhorrent to him. It's not a matter of like. Is being shown ***********. It's that they should not know these are options. And it's. I think a lot of it is that, like, if they don't know that it's possible to have *** *** then Ben thinks they won't be gay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then if they they didn't know that trans was a thing, they wouldn't be trans. Yeah. Yeah. It's the like that. That is why he's so angry at kids being taught things because, again, they're not doing things. They're not doing sex at like a sexual stuff at any kind of a higher rate. We we know this, and I have to think. And knows this, unless he's even more incompetent than I think he is, because his real problem is that people are expressing themselves physically in ways that make him uncomfortable because he's a ******* goblin and he doesn't think that should be allowed. And you see that at the end of this segment when he's talking about, like, the immorality of sex Ed. Again, these radical sex educators are correct in one sense. Sex shouldn't be shameful. But just because people have natural desires and drives doesn't legitimate those natural desires and drives in all contexts, especially outside. Context of marriage. I think the sigh is something Ben Shapiro hears a lot in the bedroom. Yeah, and here and in other areas of section this the attack on abstinence begins with him just being very wrong. Again, the public policy brilliance of comprehensive sex education is its self justifying nature. Sex education is used. Skyrocketing rates of venereal disease, teen pregnancy, and sexual immorality is an excuse to teach its panoramic view of sexuality. Unfortunately, there's a rise. A rising threat looming on the horizon for sex educators. Abstinence education, if morality can can can somehow be infused back into sex education. If the tolerance for all sexual activity mission may be discarded safely, the clincians are out of a job. Yeah. OK. Yeah. I don't know what he thinks. How many jobs he thinks are in the Kinsey in community. Yeah. Yeah. It's not not a huge industry. Then more than he thinks. It kind of seems like yelling about abstinence is much more lucrative than I literally know the cure. Curator at the Kinsey Institute. I can tell you now they're rolling in the dough there. Yeah. Also shout out Rebecca. Good. Good for you, Rebecca. And. Yeah, the social liberals claim that abstinence education doesn't work because, of course abstinence is impossible. Denying our young people accurate information about sexual health will not prevent unintended pregnancies or the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. It will, however, prevent them from making responsible and informed decisions about their health and futures, growled William Smith, the director of public policy at some organization called seekers that deals with sex Ed. I love that Ben has to. Like he said what he's saying is so reasonable, but that Ben has to color it by saying. He growled it. It's very funny. Yeah. Ohhh. Yeah, it's ohk. OK, so he has. He cites another student. So this is Ann Kim of the University of Washington. And this, this person who been says exists apparently said this within this culture where sex sells everything from shampoo to gum. George Bush's proposed doubling the amount of federal funding for abstinence only sexual education in the classroom. It's a farce to assume that exclusively teaching no sexist, safe sex will prevent teens from having it. This message dissolves in the real world. Routines, regardless of whether they're sexually active, want to know and talk about sex. So that's him citing someone that I'm sure he disagrees with that. I still don't know if I think that's a person other than Ben. I wonder if he may. I'm gonna see if I can find evidence that this person. Good luck. I just want to know. They're sitting right next to Ann Taylor, so don't don't even worry about that. Ohh well, maybe there's this. There's an assistant manager at Sunrise Dental who graduated from the University of Washington. Recently, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say that I think Anne Kim might be a real person. Yay. Ben. Yeah. Should Doctor of Pharmacy actually talk to a human being? Yeah. Yeah. And and so, yeah. May have made. There may be some real people in this. Fascinating. I do believe that Anne Kim is a person, so that that that may and Anne Kim seems to be saying a reasonable thing, even though I don't. I don't. I still don't know how much I believe that. She said sex sells everything from shampoo to gum. But maybe, maybe that just seems like such a Ben Shapiro line. Well, I was just gonna say also that yes, yes, the extremely sexual gum commercials. I mean, I'm thinking of doublemint twins, right? Bubbalicious wait, what's the sexiest gum commercial you big league chew? Kevin makes me want nothing. Makes me wanna **** like big league Chew. I thought that was a candy. It is. It's it's gum. No, but it it it's gum and a candy. It's it's it's got Mandy Candy. Yeah. OK. I've never had big league Chew. Alright, so the next line, the, the bit that Ben has at the end of this or during this abstinence section is the truth is it's too early to tell whether abstinence education can work at a wide level. There have been no conclusive studies one way for another, and the studies that true. It's funny because he says, and the studies that do exist conflict with each other. Now I found a 2011 study. It's pretty ******* conclusive. Yeah, I found working at Planned Parenthood in 2000. 4. It was already something that everybody knew, yeah. I found a 2011 study from the US National Library of Medicine that seems to be pretty comprehensive and includes the line the data clearly shows show clearly that abstinence only education is a state policy, is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy, and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the US. Yeah, so there's one study, and then I found another study from 2010 that I think is like his. Like his best case study, which is from 2010. That and the archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine, which found that abstinence only intervention was effective in getting very young teens to delay sexual initiation. But the program is not the same as the abstinence until marriage programs funded by the Bush administration. But it's very funny that he's like there's no conclusive studies and the studies that do exist conflict with each other. Well, is it possible that the studies that say that it doesn't work are pretty conclusive? And then there's some **** studies that say that it does. Work because one study, the study he cites? Yeah. The study that he cites is which claims that women who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are 40% less likely to have a child out of wedlock. That comes from the Heritage Foundation. Yeah, which is a right wing think tank that is not at all the credible, unbiased source on anything. Yeah. They are not scientists. They are right wing ideologues paid to find things that argue for conservative causes. Ding, Ding, Ding. And if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah. We'll look into that later. But they do publish a lot of stuff on a on abstinence only education. And in fact, I think I found the report, yeah, from 2002. So that's also funny. Is that like this thing he's citing as evidence that it works from 2002? We have 2010 and 11 studies that I found in like a second of Googling that showed that there's like it it not only it's either ineffective the programs he suggests or the biggest study says app actively harmful. But again, Ben doesn't actually like, he does very selective research. And in fact, I keep saying I can't see anything in this 2013 book. He keeps citing **** from 2002. When there's data, 2010, 1113, 2009 studies, I found, like, there's a lot more, but they don't fit my narrative. OK, 2003, 2002, 2003, that's all where it's from. Again, that's a decade ago at this point in a field where there's rapidly being progress and a lot of studies being made. In addition to the fact that, like, he's trying to talk like the kids that there's data on from 2003 aren't the generation he's primarily writing about in 2013 because those people are all college graduates in their mid 20s. 2013. It's just, it's so gross. It's like so. Comprehensively manipulating data is also, yeah like very difficult. Oh good. And now we get into there's a whole we get into. This ends with a whole rant on Hillary Clinton. There's a sub hat chapter called the President's Good Night ******** talking about the Clinton impeachment scandal. Does that have to do with that? He's it's just like the idea that it's this thing that, like, despite all of the ****** ** **** the Clintons actually did, the worst thing is that Bill got a *******. Which is like, there's a lot that's messed up about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, primarily the power imbalance between a young 20 year old intern and the President of the United States and ******* ruining her life for them. But for decades to come because her name became associated with this thing that somehow made him be cool and somehow made her be a dumb ****. Oht patriarchy, that's how. OK, even even within just the the the Met. Like it, just the subject. If you're like, ignoring the fact that he let the Rwandan. In a side happen or ****** ** so badly in Bosnia, or was presided over a a campaign of sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq? If you if you're if you're dropping all of that by the wayside, right? Yeah. And if you're just focusing on the sex part of Bill Clinton, all that stuff you mentioned perfectly valid things to criticize Clinton over really solid evidence of arms, that of harms that his sexual behavior had. You could also talk about the very credible sexual assault allegations against him. That's not what Ben finds most offensive. Here's Ben. Here's the bottom line. Without. Lewinsky scandal. Millions of children would not have had to hear about this issue until reaching maturity. That issue being ******** instead. Oral sex and ************ with cigars. Yeah his issue on yourself more than that. It's the thing that's like I ohh you wanna criticize Bill Clinton for like his the his sexual like behaviors. Like absolutely there's like yeah let's let's let's talk about that but there's a lot that's like really ****** ** that he did that we should attack him for OHS. You're angry because kids heard about ********? Like, that's what's offensive about Bill Clinton's sex scandal to you, is that, like, kids became aware of the existence of oral sex. You little loser. Yeah. Oh my God. Wow. And even quotes. That's incredible. So he quotes a letter from agonized mother of four, Elizabeth Avery Shelton, who wrote a letter to the boy Elizabeth, who wrote a letter. Die. Bury me with the inscription. Agonizing mother for. This woman wrote a letter to the editor of The Seattle Times and stated I would like it to be known before her movie and book deal comes out that I want an apology from Lewinsky for being solely responsible for me having to explain oral sex to my four children ages 12 to 8. Now, Ben does note that Clinton owes parents an apology as well, but like, what the ****? Like why would she be solely responsible? Like, like this is what the ****? Not that I think. Like that's not. Within the grand scheme of like, things presidents do that are bad, the fact that kids learn ******** exists isn't on the scale. It's just nowhere near. But the fact that he's that this woman's like Monica Lewinsky, is solely responsible for me learning about **** ****. It's so sad. I feel sorry that's has bucked up. Like, imagine being that person. Of course everything so ****** **. There's so many people like that who think like who look at Bill Clinton's sex scandal. Be like, well, if it weren't for her, we wouldn't be hearing about this. Yep, he's the president. She's 20 and an intern. He is the leader of the country, like, and you're putting most of the blame on her. What do you think is? There's you know what? Shut out Monica ******* Lewinsky. Cause, yeah, I I have no person have no issues with Monica having a good life. So good for you. Good for you and I I don't think capitalized on **** **** in any way is just it's so gross. Started a purse line. Yeah, good for her. 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And parents have to become too lazy to do anything about it. Instead of opting their kids out of sex Ed, it's easier for them to avoid the messy birds and bees conversation. Leave it to the government types to teach the kids about standards of morality. The social Liberals who have promulgated this anti parent system are pleased with the result. Their goal was never to allow parents the authority to teach their children. It was to shill for the God of tolerance. Government is the most easily available tool to think liberals don't have kids. Yeah. Why does he think liberals are any comfortable more comfortable talking to their kids than about sex than it's. And it's this idea that, like, school teach again, I went through sex Ed in this. There was no moral lessons whatsoever. And it was so incomplete that I then went to my parents with questions because I didn't understand things and I did not get good answers to them because my parents weren't comfortable discussing it with me. Like, which is the problem, which is why kids do stupid **** because they're not being taught to do things safely. Or being taught to do things without shame, or like it's just it's all very frustrating and everything Ben says is wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I think you got it. Yeah, well, Sylvia, how are you? How are you doing? Dry as a boon, my friend. Dry as a bone. Ohh good. I do want to note that at the end of this chapter, Ben says that we're where parents are starting to wake up because a poll in 2003 showed strong support for abstinence education. Again, all stuff from like a decade after this book is published. Also, like, are you calling parents and you're like, hey, would you rather your kid not be ******* because they're all gonna say yes? Yes. I don't. Ohh absolutely. Uh. Yeah. Also, 98% of likely voters, based on a Planned Parenthood study, support sex education in high school. See? Here's the seekest survey. Yeah, OK, it's the same study. I'm wonder if there's a less biased source we can find, because I just want to see if he's well, Texas voters support abstinence plus sex education, which is sex education that is medically accurate and doesn't only talk about abstinence. Which seems better than what I probably got. So that's overwhelmingly supported by 3/4 of voters, including 68% of Republicans in Texas. So, yeah, it does seem like Ben is wrong on that too. Massachusetts voters strongly support sex Ed. Yeah, it it seems like abstinence only education has very little support because it doesn't work at all and and everybody who's reasonable knows it. Ben was wrong about this, as he's wrong about everything else. Sophia, you got any plegables? Sure. Thanks. You can check out my other two podcasts, private parts unknown, about love and sex around the world and 420 day. 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