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Sail Away - Part 1

Sail Away - Part 1

Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:00

Boat shows, a missing woman, and red flags everywhere you look. Did she leave her husband and head to the Caribbean to be with another man? Or … she’s gone, and the truth is something much worse?

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Grab your copy of all good people here now, wherever books are sold. Every once in a while you find a case that's clearly suspicious and you kind of suspect foul play might have taken place, and it's a different type of investigation. I'm Scott Weinberger's, investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff. Glassie former New York City homicide prosecutor and host of Investigation Discovery's true conviction, and this is anatomy of murder. Today's story makes me think about really two opposite ends of the spectrum. There's a sense of hopelessness, but that there's incredible hope on the other end, and the bridge between those two was the detective that worked this case. My name is Bob Nichols. I'm a retired police officer from Montgomery County, Maryland. I spoke with Detective Bob Nichols about the investigation into the disappearance of Cindy Vanderbeek. So in the 1980s, Cindy was always known as being very ambitious and not only was she a talented saleswoman, she had a really good head for business and eventually she got promoted to vice president, her company. She went out and she bought a house in New Jersey and she would commute every single day to New York City, which she really loved doing that job. But what she also loved doing was going to the beach. She was this petite little cute blonde. She was very outgoing. Life at a party, like to sing. Very sweet. Everybody loved her, you know? She's the girl next door. The one thing that she used to think about and long for was excitement and love. You had the beach and that's where all that came in. So on one weekend trip to the Jersey Shore, she met this really handsome guy. She looked at him. She saw him very tan, very toned. His name was Steve Vanderbeek. He was younger, he worked up and down the East Coast, he traveled during a boat show circuit. This circuit would travel from city to city to city, and he sold vending items like cleaning products at the different shows. And he wasn't just. A little bit younger. He was nine years younger than her and he really had a wanderlust about him, which was something she craved. And she looked at this guy and the potential excitement he would bring, and she felt just head over heels and within weeks they moved in together. He was charming and they fell in love and they got together and she kind of gave up her world of the New York Fashion industry, and she began to travel with him. He was telling Cindy that she was such a good salesperson that she would do so well in this arena, selling with him, and they could spend it together. They could travel to all these different cities. He was really setting her up for what she believed, according to her family is a great life. They were on the rogue a lot. Basically about 8 out of 12 months a year they would be on this boat show circuit. During the four months that they weren't on the circuit, they resided somewhere in Broward County, Florida. Almost like a gypsy lifestyle. While everyone say, well wait a second, she had everything in success but now she's fallen for this guy and wants to start living the life of a boat show. But I do get it from her perspective that now she had this rugged exciting guy and this gypsy like lifestyle. And she just would beam from ear to ear. He had a sailboat. They moved around. They lived in Hilton Head, SC. They lived through New Jersey. They were in Florida. So it was a an exciting kind of lifestyle. If you're into that where you know, you're constantly on the move and you're doing different things, meeting a lot of different people, that was exciting, something different for for Cindy that she'd never really experience. They got married, the two went off to the Virgin Islands and they eloped. They got married on the beach, just like they met at the beach in the Jersey Shore, and her family was really concerned about her giving up the success and stability for this much more wandering like lifestyle. And how many of us out there have had that experience that the person you bring home, whoever they are, that they're just not good enough for, you know, your mom or dad's little girl or boy. And sometimes they're right and sometimes they're not. Well, what had happened was towards March, Cindy and Steve were up in Portland, ME, and they were ending the circuit up in New England. And Cindy had been talking to her sister, who was having a christening for her son. And Cindy agreed to be the godmother for Cindy's nephew. And she had planned on her and Steve stopping in Maryland, in Montgomery County, in the city of Germantown, and they were going to stop. On their way back from Maine to Florida where they live and they were going to spend some time with Cindy's family. So the family and their planning of this christening was reaching out to Cindy and they're living on a boat, really can't reach them on a landline, so they had pagers. So Cindy's family was paging her incessantly to try to determine is she going to make this christening. Can she come on the specific dates? And they weren't getting an answer. And then the day of the christening came. Neither of them showed up at the door. You know, imagine a loved one is supposed to be there and they're not there. Cindy's family has to go to kind of Plan B to move forward. And they're panicking knowing this is not like Cindy. You know, she was excited. She really wanted to be a godmother. She loved her family. And this was out of character for Cindy, and the family knew it. Then a few days later, they did get a knock at the door, but it wasn't Cindy, but it was Steve by himself. Which was the first time ever that Steve arrived at the in-laws by himself. Obviously, the first question is, where is Cindy? So Steve has a story that essentially tells them that they were working their way back from New England coming down to Maryland, and when they got to Philadelphia that there was a communication from somebody. Cindy was offered a job to do, a quick job out in Wisconsin. So Steve? Dropped Cindy at the Philadelphia train station. She took a train to Wisconsin. She told him to go to Maryland. She would just be a day or two and then she'll meet Steve in Maryland. So that's why Steve now shows up at Germantown, Montgomery County, Maryland. And her family, just like all of us, are cocking our head, hearing this. So did her family. But again, they couldn't say for sure it wasn't true. So Steve spends the next two days kind of hanging around the house when the family is away from the house and they return. Steve says, hey, Cindy called earlier today and she's tied up. She's doing really well. She's not going to be able to come back right now. So she told me just to head back to Florida, and she's going to meet me in Florida. Be sorry. She'll catch up with you guys soon. So the family is like, that's really weird. Definitely red flags are up. They are not happy with what Steve's response is because that is not something Cindy would have done. When you hear it, where's your head going? On the surface it's suspicious, but there's not enough to really hang your hat on because the lack of communication back in those days. It's not like she could have called 15 friends with cell phones, although she could have called friends who could have walked over to the home and said, hey, Cindy just called me too, and she's OK. But that didn't happen. So you have to rely on what the family is thinking because they know her best. There was nothing that they really knew except they did say to Steve she better get in touch with us soon because we are worried. And when you speak to her and ask, tell her to call us and get in touch with us immediately because they just had this feeling that something was wrong. And did grow a little bit more before he left because there was a couple of errands that Steve ran that day that made them even more suspicious. And I think that's an important fact to tell our listeners. He goes to a local bank where they had a safe deposit box. He had takes out about $5000 and some family papers. So on the day that Steve is set to go back to Florida, he runs a couple of errands and one of those errands really caught the attention of the family. He emptied her safe deposit box and in addition, Cindy's mom, Camille had been holding some money from them, a couple, $1000, and he asked for that too. So now when Steve left, her family no longer thought. Malicious wait and see. Now we've got a report per missing, but that's also where the frustration begins, because no one wants to take the report. They knew that they resided in Broward County. So they contacted the Broward County Sheriff's Office, tried to get law enforcement down there to take a police report. And you know, the Broward County law enforcement officials essentially looked at it and said, well, wait a minute, she's not missing from Broward County, let alone in Florida. You last time you talked to her, she was up in Portland. ME, and checking our records, we don't even see any evidence. That they even live here in Florida. So Broward County was not very anxious in taking a missing person report. So when Cindy's family gets nowhere with Florida PD, next they go to Maine because they knew that they had last been up at the boat Show in Portland, ME. So now they call up there and they say, OK, we know she was up there and they just assumed they were take the report. Portland ME basically says, hey, look, she was here for a boat show. You talked to her, we know everything was good to show ended. She left. You know, she's not missing from Portland, ME. She's missing somewhere between Portland, ME, and Maryland where she didn't show up so they didn't want to take a police report. Scott, let's just go sideways a little bit here and talk about that. You know, just about why it is that everyone is looking to pass the buck here. It's all about jurisdiction and a Seagate. It's all about the ability of an agency to say the person actually was here and hasn't left here or was here and left under circumstances that may be suspicious. Now, this is one of those frustrating issues for me, and I'll even call it a pet peeve. Several agencies ping pong back and forth and if the family believes. Foul play may be involved, take some action, put out what we call an ATL, which is an attempt to locate, put her in the system. That is the professional thing to do. That is the caring thing to do. A family is asking for help, document it, follow up, and in my opinion at this point that's what should have happened here. So now her family is scrambling. They're even more panicked because more time is going by. So while she had never come to visit them, they go to the only place they can think of. Next they go to their local police. So they made a police report to the Montgomery County Police Department. The young officer by the name of Kent Smith, comes to their door and they say, listen, she wasn't here. But we're striking out in Florida. We're striking out in Maine. We have no idea where she is, but we just know that there's something wrong. Please, please, please help us. And this guy, to his credit, you know, give him the shout out here because he said, I know there's no real connection to Montgomery, but he felt bad for them. Montgomery County has nothing to do with this story, but the family was kind of caught. Where do we turn? Would we make this report to? So Officer Smith made the report, which was, you know, when it was assigned to me, my Sergeant said, hey, contact Florida and try to give this report to them because there's nothing for us to do. First thing I did, I contacted the family and had the mother and sister come to my office and I said bring some pictures. I want to know if you have any pictures of Steve, any pictures of Cindy, any, you know, phone numbers, addresses in Florida. There's got to be something. Friends, associates. You gotta give me something because I really have nothing. I think for an investigator getting in deep into a case, you need to establish a feeling about who your victim may be and a feeling about who your suspect may be. After spending the evening with Cindy's mother and sister, they gave me a lot of background. I learned a lot about Cindy, and I learned a lot about Steve. It came pretty obvious to me that one of two things happened and it was still early, one she was afraid of. Them and didn't want to be in his life so she was laying low off the radar. Or the other option was something happened to Cindy. She was deceased and a victim of foul play. And if she was truly deceased, obviously Steve was, to the best of my knowledge, last person known to be with her. He would be my #1 suspect. He wanted to talk to Steve. He wanted to get information direct from him about the whereabouts of his wife when he last saw her, when he last talked to her. So he had his pager number and Detective Nichols started paging. And paging him in days and days and days went by with no answer and that is a bit suspicious. When somebody's missing or or there's a homicide, the first thing you do is you look at is it for love or is it for money. And if it's for love, you look at the the boyfriend, the husband, the family as somebody who may have something to do with this. So Steve is clearly on the radar from the family, hearing the story from the family. Steve is clearly on my radar. And it it just common sense says Steve got to be somebody we got to look at. So next Detective Nichols had to try to. Backtrack. Well, where did he know Cindy had last actually been? And that came to the boat show and he knew she had last been in Portland? ME. But let's think about that for a second. It's not like she was working in a store up there that's there all year round. It's a band of people that move from place to place. We were only able to verify, yes, there was a boat show, yes, Cindy and Steve had a vending table there. One of the things I asked was there any disturbances? Was there a domestic dispute? Was there a police report? There was no record of anything. Steven, Cindy. Basically, I learned from the different vendors they were having some marital problems. Cindy confided in several girlfriends at the show that she and Steve were going to part ways at the end of the season and they were going to get divorced. I'm now talk to somebody that actually says, hey, I just sent Steve a package. He was in Davie, FL and here's his address. Now is my first break. Now I know where they're basically living. He founded that they lived in a place called the Seminole Health Club and Resort. He found out exactly where it was. I ended up speaking with the property manager. She loves Cindy and wanted to be really helpful, and she gave me a lot of background on the two of them, but said, look, you know, Steve's not been here for a while, but I'll call you when he does. All this is going on, and right now we just have a missing person, potentially a crime, but it's still just a missing persons report. So there had to have been a lot of pressure, I believe, from the supervisors within Detective Nichols office about, OK, you're spending a lot of time chasing this. Do you really believe something happened here? You need to focus on other cases. If Cindy was alive, I had no record of it. If Cindy was dead and found by law enforcement. They had no record of it. If Cindy and Steve, since they're connected to the boat show circuit, he could have put her on a boat and take her into the Atlantic Ocean and dropped her. And I'll never find a record of that. It's not your typical investigation. Most everything I'm doing is on the phone. It's not like I can go down there and talk to next door neighbors. I can't go talk to the boss or supervisors. And you know, in police work, you don't like to do anything on the phone. You like to sit down with people face to face, look at them, read them as their. Explaining something and you know you, you get a feel for whether the person's being truthful. The next turn in this story is May of 1995, when Cindy's mom receives something at her house that is quite shocking. It's what I would consider another red flag. It's a package that arrives to the home and it's a gift for Sydney's nephew for his christening. The gifts were clothing and it was like a theme of baseball. But this family is all about soccer and nobody's in the baseball, so the family kind of thought like, that's kind of odd. Why would Cindy send these baby clothes? And there was something else. Also contained in the package with a greeting card. It had a little, you know, hey, enjoy. Sorry I missed the christening. Talk to you guys soon. Love Cindy. And when you looked at the word Cindy as she wrote her name, the family immediately recognized there was a problem with that signature. Looked like somebody was trying to trace it or write it. Copy it, and it was real slow. And you could see like, start and stop points in the signature, which means somebody you know. Doing this job for 33 years, this means, typically that somebody is trying to copy or forge the signature. And it was very clearly not Cindy's signature. Think about someone close to you when they write their name and you see it on paper, you know that it's there, whether it's a distinctive scrawl or neat and scrolly. However, to someone writes, if you know them well, you know it, and this one just didn't fit at all. And as he's thinking those things, he gets a call from the Seminole Health Club. And Steve's back when I got the notification that Steve was back home, we got on a plane and arrived in Florida, I think within like 48 hours. But when he gets down there, he doesn't find exactly what he was looking for, but what he did find. Was monkeys. So then one day, Detective Nichols gets a call. It's from the seminal health club. And they said, Steve's back. But no, Cindy. I went with one of our homicide detectives, Joe Medano. The two of us traveled down there and are directions were try to find the agency, specifically the Davie Police Department and turn this case over to them. Detective Nichols really wanted to ask Steve. Why hasn't he returned any of his calls? Why didn't he answer the multiple pager messages that he left for him to call him? Why wouldn't someone whose wife family believes she's missing return law enforcement's call? I reached out to the Davie Police Department and, you know, I, I made arrangements with them that we, Montgomery County, wanted to come down there and interview him and we would like their assistance. So they were fantastic. The Davie Police Department couldn't have been greater. So we go meet with the baby Police Department. We have an agenda. Our agenda is to talk to Steve. And they had found out a bit more about the seminal health club before arriving. The Seminole Health Club is actually, it's kind of an interesting story. It's a nudist trailer park. And it's what we will terminate clothing optional community. People would come down. They're not Florida residents. They come down and spend a couple weeks in parks like this, and then they go back to their normal lifestyle. Of course, when I knew I was going to a nudist trailer park, so when Joe and I were going down there, a lot of people were like, OK, this will be interesting. So coming into it, we stopped and talked to Jan at the front, and she identified where Steve's home was. So we drove into the park to go down and find it. And as we did, we get to see then the colony and all the residents and it's exactly what you would expect. And this is just not something that I'm comfortable with or Joe McDonnell was comfortable with and I've never been to a nudist colony before. It was. They were very nice people. Live their life very free and free of clothing. So each is their own, I guess. So they're making their way to Steves trailer. They knock on the door. There, but we are told Steves around, so they decided to wait and as Detective Nichols tells it best while they were waiting for Steve to return. They saw a very interesting sight. We're standing across from Steves trailer and there's a lake, and in the middle of the lake there's this little island and there's monkeys all over the island. So we're kind of sitting there, kind of like thinking, wow, we're in a news colony there, monkeys over there on the island and she's not here. What are we going to do? And lo and behold, here comes Steve, fully nude, walking on up the the driveway, coming to the trailer. So we introduced ourselves. And Steve couldn't have been more accommodating. He totally understood what was going on, and he wanted to help us in any way he could. So I said, Steve, get dressed, we're going to get in the police car, we're going to go to the police station. So our goal was to get Steve out of the park, back to a police station where we can be more in control. Detective Nichols and his partner tells them to go in and get dressed, but in any officer safety situation, you don't tell someone to go in somewhere where you lose sight of them because of the fact Steve could go into the trailer arm himself, or he could try to destroy any evidence. Of course, Steve had the choice whether or not he's gonna let the officers in or not. You know, unless there's a search warrant, police don't have the right to go into your home unless there's some emergency circumstance. But remember, Steve was completely cooperative and said, no problem, come inside. I'm just going to go into the back and get dressed. Detective Nichols and his partner also got was the side benefit of getting to somewhat scope out the inside. When he went into the trailer to get dressed, I was able to see that Cindy's clothing was there, her clothes are in the bedroom, bottles of perfume and makeup, her toothbrush, things that like if Cindy was leaving and said Steve, our marriage is over, she would have taken these things. So it throws up a red flag to me that she left without taking any of her personal property. That was an indication to Detective Nichols and his partner that she may not have left under her own will. We get to the police station, it's Davie Police Department. We sit down with with Steve. We do a nice interview with him, and he essentially tells us that Cindy and and Steve were up in Portland, ME. He was concerned because Cindy was spending a lot of time talking on the pay phones and getting a lot of strange pages, and he was suspicious and he was intimating to them that she may have been having an affair. He tells us basically the same story that, you know, we learned from Cindy's family. At this point, Steve is still, you know, the loving husband, and he's just doing what his wife asked him to do. He says when he's driving S towards Florida that he gets a page from Cindy and says, hey, meet me and I think it was Jacksonville, so they needed a hotel. Cindy formed Steve that she met somebody else. He's got a sailboat. They're going to go down to the Caribbean. And they're going to live on the sailboat and the marriage is over and sorry, I don't love you anymore, he said to them. You guys are concerned about Cindy. I am too. But he said it from the standpoint of a man who is having a tough time getting over his wife, who's now left him from another man. Steve is a very low key guy. When he responds, he responds in three to four words, his body language, he sits in a chair and he slouches down, you know? Nothing here is going to bother me because I'm not concerned about anything. That is sort of a signal that someone's not trying to be trapped into a story or trapped into giving too much information out or being too cooperative. But the other side of that is they didn't know Steve very well, and maybe that's the way he talks. Normally, his story about Cindy, where do I begin to look in the Caribbean for an unknown guy living on a sailboat, it's the foundation of Steve giving you. A plausible story, but one that cannot be verified. My experience, my training. My partner experience, his training. We knew that something was not right. Here we are on the right path. But we've got a long road ahead of us, so they decided to give him a voice stress analysis. This to me is a prosecutor was pretty cool. I've never even heard of this before. Working as a detective, one of the investigative tools we can use is a polygraph, but some departments was actually beginning to to play with it. There is something called a voice stress analysis, but this is what they call a CVS A which is a pseudoscientific technology which basically is able to detect. Stress in your voice. It uses a computer program and it looks at the pattern or the waves of your speaking into a microphone and determines inconsistencies in your voice pattern waves to determine what are lies and what are truths. So the operator gave him the test and it came back that Steve passed the test. He wasn't showing any signs of being deceitful. I did not expect Steve to pass that. I was hoping it would show deceit so we could then do the interview over again. But he passed it. I had to move on to something else. Detective Nichols made a very important next move. It was pretty obvious. Steve kept a lot of things. Dirty dishes, trash, pizza boxes. Sitting on the dining room table. He was a pack rat. He just really did not throw things out, which was great for us. And when we took him back to the Seminole Health Club, we had been talking all day and he had told me that he had no problems with me looking through the trailer and his vehicle, and so while searching inside Steve's car. Detective Nichols found something major, something that was going to put him on a path he hadn't been able to get down before we went through. We started in the trailer. We found something that really jumped out at me. There was a notebook near his bed, like on a little table. And I, you know, kind of flipped through the spiral notebook and I noticed that there were signatures of Cindy. I felt that that was Steve writing Cindy's name, practicing to sign it. Which goes along with the greeting card that the family received in April where we feel that that signature was afforded signature. So we talked about that. And Steve says, no, I was just, you know, I I love my wife. I I miss her. I was doodling and drawing and doing different things you see within the book. And yes, I I wrote her name. I miss her and I'm thinking about her and I don't know about all you out there, but I can remember, certainly back in the day, that sometimes, you know that other person I was interested in. Just kind of scribbling their name over and over while I sat in class. And so again, it's like Detective Nichols talks about these vague things that he says that he doesn't buy, but you can't really verify that they're wrong. And at this point, maybe it's something, or is it just nothing at all? Between the trailer and his vehicle, which was like a big suburban, is a blue suburban, I gathered up as much as I could and as I'm looking at different, I guess, pieces of trash. Breathe. It's in these vehicles and there's trailer. I'm seeing years worth of receipts between the seats on the floor, up on the visor in the center console. There's papers everywhere, including all over the trailer, papers and garbage and things all over the place. But within there is a treasure trove of what could be evidence. I'm noticing gas receipts and gas receipts going back several years, hotel receipts going back several years, showing that, you know, they're up and down the East Coast and they're going these boat shows and where they're going. Well, you know, it would take me hours to go through this, and I didn't want to do it in front of Steve. So we talk. I think it was probably 4 full bags, I'll call it trash. And we packed it up with us and took it back to Maryland. When I left Florida, I felt. Cindy was no longer alive and I felt she was deceased and at the hands of Steve, but I could not prove it. Let's go sideways for a second and think about Detective Nichols superiors. They had been hoping that he was going to say that now Davie police were taking over this case, but instead they had their detectives come up with bags and bags of garbage. I was unable to turn the case over to the Davie Police Department in Florida. So when I brought it back, my sergeants looking at me, going like, I thought I told you to get rid of this case, I'm like, nobody wants it. And I'm sure when he walked into the DC Bureau with bags and bags of these receipts. Supervisors were like, this is going to take you days if not weeks to go through. And what about the other cases that you're working? This is a missing person that I feel is most probable a homicide, so it is getting a bulk of my attention, but it's tough because I have a lot of cases. And I want to talk about Detective Nickels a little bit more here, Scott. I think it's a great question to you because you have been in those shoes. Is it odd for a detective? And I think you and I both know that the reason, but like you'd explain it to work so hard in a case here where even his superiors are telling him to just sideline it, it's the case that wasn't even in his jurisdiction. Every person who signs on to become a member of law enforcement knows their dedication is important to the victims. And if you've got a sense and your experience starts to take you down a road and then you become laser focused on finding the answers. They keep you up at night finding a way to go back to that family and say we've done everything we could possibly do to get you those answers because ultimately that's what it's about. It's serving the people. You know, when you get on a case, you have to do your best to bring it to some kind of conclusion and see that justice is done. And I learned from some great detectives I watched and I learned great police work I think that helped establish. What I wanted to do with my career and how I wanted to be as a detective and if my family relative went missing, I would have expectations. And the expectations are what I tried to lay a blueprint for to follow. Oh, it was at the police station and I took over an interview room with all the stuff that I had brought back and I was essentially making piles of things, trying to show a timeline. Date wise. This is not something I sat down and in four hours I had it figured out. This is something that took several days to sort out what I had trying to retrace their steps. And when you talk about it not being glamorous, I think everyone can guess and every detective can confirm that their work is most often definitely not glamorous. I mean, they certainly go through a lot worse than going through garbage and receipts, but that's what he had here. These receipts were balled up. They were dirty. There was food stains on them. It wasn't like this couple was staying at 5 star Resorts. So they were handwritten. Sometimes it said a date, sometimes it didn't. You know, and I'm not familiar with this area. So, you know, eventually. As I sort out their route, you know, I'm starting to like pin on a map. Every time I saw that they stopped at a Burger King and they were in whatever city or or state they were at, I'd mark it. I'm getting a pretty straight line as they left Portland, ME, and they're heading through New York. I'd like everyone to close their eyes for a second unless you're driving. But close your eyes for a second and imagine this big board in this Detective Bureau's conference room. And these receipts are being pinned on this board, and he's starting to develop a travel pattern. And he has Steve locked into the story of where he traveled, what Rd he traveled on, what days he traveled. So now you're developing the timeline and you're finding the holes. At this point, you know, I've got a story from Steve, so I've got his route. So now as I'm going through all this paperwork, in reality, I'm starting to show that he's doing something different than he told us. In one of the first things I'm able to verify, I'm showing that he's lying. So now we have the first real discrepancy. We have Steve saying he never veered off I-95 S so the paper trail that I actually have shows that when they are leaving. The main area, they head West and they're heading towards Albany, NY. They spend the night in Hunter Mountain. New York is like a resort and they spent the night there. I think it was on March 22nd. Now the interesting thing about that particular receipt which really jumped out at me was it showed that there's two occupants that the hotel clerk had marked as two people staying in the hotel that night. So now I can show that when? Stephen Cindy left Maine. There's two of them. Two people checked in under the name Vanderbeek. They checked out on the 23rd. And on March 24th in Clarksburg, WV. I have one person. Now he'd literally held in his hand the answer to what his gut had been telling him all along. He now had the proof that Cindy was no longer alive, so now he knew the where. But that where could be anywhere within a span of 500 miles TuneIn next week, because the path this story takes is far from over. Anatomy of Murder is an audio Chuck original, A Weinberger media and forseti media production summit. David is executive producer.