All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

Industry veterans, degenerate gamblers & besties Chamath Palihapitiya, Jason Calacanis, David Sacks & David Friedberg cover all things economic, tech, political, social & poker.

E21: Media misalignment, subjects controlling narratives & more with bestie guestie Draymond Green

E21: Media misalignment, subjects controlling narratives & more with bestie guestie Draymond Green

Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:59

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David Sacks on Tucker Carlson

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0:00 Discussing Sacks' recent hit on Tucker Carlson

7:25 Media misalignment, subjects as sources, new age of journalism

25:53 Bold prediction for the future of media, potential All-In Network, mistrusting everyone except individuals

34:28 Bestie Guestie Draymond Green joins the show to talk dealing with day-to-day NBA life under COVID protocols, the temperature of the nation, issues with the media & more

1:08:02 Mean tweets

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Where you'll be home with you be. Joby. Testing, testing my recording and here we got a bedroom. 3/2. Let your winners ride. Rain Man David satcher. We open sources to the fans and they discover crazy Queen. I'm going. Hey everybody, it's the all in podcast wet your big young Spielberg coming at you on a Friday morning afternoon draft time, the number 11 podcast in the world. See all in podcast with the Queen of Quinoa, David Freedberg, Rain Man himself with his hot new track from Young Spielberg, I am the Rain Man, David Sacks, and of course wetting his beak. The. Absolute dictator wetting his beak with his merch merch game is strong. Chamath Poly hoppa. Tia. How's everybody doing on the backs of us becoming the number 11 podcast in the world? Really good. Really. Wow, look at that enthusiasm. Really great. No, I think we had an intermittent. Saxophone is not, apparently. You know, with with all these, with all his weak beak wedding, he hasn't had time to pay the Internet bill. You can go ahead and upgrade your DSL from from 56 kilobits. I think you can afford it, OK? He's hit his bandwidth limit because he was watching himself on Tucker over and over again this morning. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Ran out of Internet. I I do. I do need to say this, that yesterday we do have first hand evidence that David Sacks, after appearing on Tucker Carlson then spent the next hour watching himself appear on Tucker. Carlson literally got up from the poker table. My gosh, she used to play poker with his besties because he had to watch himself on request than six times on Tucker. It must have been watched it 2030 times. No, no headphones, just listening to the iPhone, looking at it, holding it up to his ear just so he doesn't miss a word optimize his performance. What was it like? To go on Fox News with this a dream for you. Sax. Is this A is this a bucket list? See, Jason, This is why you're such a scumbag. Because I I asked you guys. I said, hey, like, Tucker shows invited me on. Should I go? You know, and and you guys are like, yeah, yeah. It'll be great for ratings for the pod. You should definitely do it. And then after I do it, the first thing you guys say when I walk in the room is, Oh my God. You went on Tucker? The right wing are you. Do you realize that all your dealflow just got cancelled? Yum Yum. I'm gonna get all your deals. By the way, that was the funniest part. Jason had premeditated totally, basically getting you to appear on Tucker. So has done to impune you and destroy you. Jacob goes, oh, I'm gonna get all your deals now. Yum Yum. Yeah. All is fair when it comes to early stage dealflow. Yeah. And then he starts tweeting. You know, he's like the first one to show a photo of me split screen with Tucker and making sure I was waiting. I was. I was literally watching it. And it's time for the great takedown, actually. You did. In all seriousness, you did great. I think it was worth doing. And he framed it as, I don't know if people saw it. You can look up Tucker Carlson bestie David Sacks. It'll come up #1. And he said you were. Essentially taking a very liberal, classic liberal point of view. So he basically set the stage for you to not be a far right wing nut case. You were actually defending liberal principles of people should have the ability to have freedom of speech. Why don't you talk about what it was like? Yeah, I mean, so, so you're right. I mean he made the, the connection and the comparison to net Hentoff who was like the famous ACLU free speech lawyer and and I really appreciated that because I do very much see myself in that mold. Of of somebody like hentoff. He wrote a book called Free Speech for Me but not for thee. Sort of a famous line, because everybody wants free speech for themselves and their allies, but they want to deny it to people they disagree with. And, you know, they never seem to realize that censorship is a problem until it gets turned against them. And so, you know, the point I made about these, these Reddit kids who are censored is that, look, this this was not what they there were some ranchy speech in their message board. We all know that. There was no different than any trading floor, trading pit or or boiler room on Wall Street, right? It's the same kind of language. Yet they were taken down and censored by discord for for hate speech. Why? Because they became very threatening to, you know, powerful insiders and, you know. But how many of those, those Reddit kids saw it as a problem when, you know, Trump or his supporters got or or parlor got deep platformed a few weeks ago? They could never have imagined that that same censorship principle could ever get turned against them. And and so we all have a blind spot to toward censorship when we like the results and you know hentoff's point is always look, it's not about the results, it's about who are you giving the power to to to censor 2 and that's why you have to be really careful of. In relation to that. How delightful has it been to not have Trump on Twitter? Putting aside, you know, censorship, even for you as a Republican, a conservative but liberal socially, I will note you're very liberal socially. You'll live and let live pro LBGTQ, of course, and but to not have Trump on Twitter has been all that cognitive space has come back. We get it all back. Silence. Silence. Is. Is. Is. Willis. What do you guys think? What did you guys think about? What is your name? Marjorie blah blah blah green, who just got completely censored? What? What exactly happened? Yes, Sachs. Is that censorship? Yeah, if you're a crazy **** who believes that particular shooting was a false flag, what do we do there? I mean, that's not that's not censorship. It's just she got censured, I guess, because her colleagues thought she was out of line. And that's OK. I mean, if her colleagues want to vote for that, that's fine. So she could still say crazy stuff. You just can't do it and have this certain job. Yeah. I mean, look, let, let's face it, when when politicians say crazy stuff and it helps the other side, I mean, you know, Marjorie Green or whatever. Our censorship, who does that help? It helps the Democrats. You know, quite frankly, does Trump being off Twitter, does that really help Democrats? I don't think so. I mean, you know, you could argue that that Biden or or that Trump is the one unifying opposition to Trump is the one unifying force in the Democratic coalition. So the the the more Trump is out there, the the more it bonds the Democratic coalition together. So yeah, I mean censorship has this way of like backfiring and you can't just look at it in terms of narrow, short term political results. Speaking of censorship, I want to get your take on something else. I think these last two weeks have been a complete sea change in venture capital, and let me give you the setup. It's all of a sudden seemed like. There has been a decision that's been made where the ecosystem of companies will basically use their own platforms and their own mediums to completely control the narrative and the dissemination of information about them, that the media in the effort of company building may have taken a big step back. You know, I think the whole sort of like thing on clubhouse was really interesting. I think this guy who just joined. His recent Horowitz who actually host the show on clubhouse is really interesting. I think there's some like really interesting emerging managers who just have these incredibly different ways of showing around his name. Sri Robin hosting good times at 11:10 or 11:00 PM every night on clubhouse. Marc Andreessen comes to it every night. And of course Elon came and interviewed Vlad. And then last night Zuckerberg showed up in order to get the blueprints for clubhouse to then put it into Instagram and Facebook. But what do you guys, what do you guys think of sort of like this entire sector of the economy basically trying to I guess, organize an end around, I don't know, traditional media doesn't seem like it's just venture, right. I mean look at, look at Trump, you know, he avoided having the traditional press conference as the the the channel for dissemination of his point of view and communication of his objectives and he went on Twitter every day and he just tweeted and I think, you know anyone who's been part of a business or an operation that's had to deal with. You know, media gathering facts that that you don't consider to be true and you can't really counter their point and then they publish and it's static and it's out there, you are frustrated. And in the in the the world that we have today, which is many alternatives for going direct to our customer and going direct to our audience through social media and having control over that message, it's appealing to make the switch away from traditional PR and going to social. I mean, chamath, you don't put out press releases, you go on Twitter and you make a a statement about what your intentions are and you publish. One pagers and I feel like everyone's trying to do this and there's all this like trend of big companies now too, which is how do you develop a quote UN quote social media presence? You can speak directly to your audience and your customers without having to go through the press. I find it very hard to get the point across. By going through traditional media, right. It's not that, it's not that it can't be done, but I find it harder and harder. And the reason is because they're in such a ferocious competition with social media and so they have to be just as click oriented and newsworthy as the next best tweet that's that's trending at that time. So it's it's an almost impossible task. Well naval, naval had a great line about this which I think he tweeted a long time ago, which is that the Internet commoditized the reporting of facts and so at that point the the traditional media went wholesale. Into opinion, opinions, into opinions. And so now they all have an agenda of some kind, and especially the tech press. Their agenda basically is hatred of tech. I mean, they hate the people they're reporting on. I mean, Jay call, you know this, right? I mean, I mean, having been a journalist in this, it's really interesting to hear your opinions. And if you look at trust among Republicans all time, low in the press and then just all Americans don't trust the press right now. They think there's hidden agendas. And it really is a confluence of events. What happened was the Internet caused the revenue streams of the press to get just violently compressed or eliminated. So you know you had Craigslist take the classified business, Google and Facebook took the ad business and subscriptions, Netflix, Spotify, etcetera. So you have all that revenue is gone and what that meant was they didn't have the resources to do fact checking and then the publishing schedule because of. Logging, which I was involved in, required that people file 234 times a day just to keep up. And so when you're filing, even just twice a day, there is no time to get quotes from the subjects. So we have all, as people who are subjects had quotes attributed to us that we're like, where did you pull that quote from? Like, oh, three years ago you said this or whatever, and then you don't even know you're going to be in the story like the hit piece they did on you chamath, some sports writer and SF gate did some hit piece on chamath. Did they ever call you? Did they ever say, would you like to respond to this? That's how it used to work. That's how you that's how you learn when you get a degree in journalism, right? You call this subject, you interview, of course, and it used to be you filed once every two weeks or maybe if you were in a weekly news, a news like a Newsweek or a business week, you filed once a week, magazines, you filed once or twice per episode per issue or maybe once. Every other issue or feature writer. Now they have to. They have to publish so much. By the way, Jason, you said do any fact checking. You said something. Really, really important. It's the craziest thing where these guys will not even call you and say, here's what we're running or here's what we're going to say. Do you want to work through this with us? Do you want to tell us, are there any inaccuracies? We're really seeking the truth. Nobody's really seeking the truth. They're seeking clicks. And so here's what happens the your salary is now determined by your number of followers on Twitter, as is your book deal. And your sub stack then becomes your negotiating position versus your existing. Publication. So someone like Harris Swishers who is not full time at the New York Times probably makes a half million or $1,000,000 a year doing her podcast with them in the editorial page I would say somewhere between 500 and a million. All the other writers there are looking at other people who've gotten significant followings and saying I have to get a big following. How do you get a big following? Well Sachs figured that out he he wasn't didn't have a huge following on Twitter in the last couple of months, but since we did the podcast sacks started having an opinion and picking aside and really owning his opinion and but in fairness. Also being super and super intelligent and thoughtful about it, of course, but. Anybody picking aside gets rewarded. And if you go down the middle, you don't get rewarded because people go. That makes sense. But then if you're not people, then people should just be using facts as a jumping off point as opposed to like, weaving it into the narrative so that other folks get confused. Meaning, you know, it used to be the case that a newspaper has an opinion page. Well, no, now the whole newspaper is opinion, correct? Because the facts you can just get from the AP, right? There's there's no point calling the New York Times to figure out what the hell is going on in. They should be doing is deep analysis. Yeah. Like that New York Times article that you brought up a couple of weeks ago, chamat, that we talked about on the pod was about the the the Trust Fund kids who are giving away all their money. You know, it wasn't an analysis of how many people with this amount of wealth are giving away their money. It was anecdotes to make the case that this is the storyline that they kind of wanted to to progress. And, you know, that is, I think, the where you're able to kind of stay within the bounds of traditional journalism but still, you know, get a narrative across that is a bit sensational and it is a bit. Kind of, you know, inspiring and free players. All you need to do, having been on the inside of these discussions, is when you have one person, it's a profile as an example. When you have two, it's still a kind of a profile with an example. But once you get to three, you got a trend piece. And so when your editor say to you is if you can get me a third person who's a trust fund kid, now we got a trend piece and we're in the clear. So let's do that and do the anecdotes instead of actual research, which then takes time and resources. And if you look what Andreessen Horowitz is specifically done with clubhouses. And it's really freaked out. Some New York Times reporters. I won't say which ones because every time I mentioned this one reporter, she pulls the female reporter card and she pulled it last night where she said I'm a female. Taylor Lawrence, Marc Andreessen. I'm not going to say who it is because she gets really upset. It's Taylor Lawrence. But she, I mean she. Yeah, she tweeted it, so I don't think she's hiding from she does, she admitted. And she put it in the public now bringing up her name. She will, I guarantee you tweet. Well, can I say something about being harassed by Jason Calacanis because I'm a woman? She saying that Marc Andreessen and Andreessen Horowitz blocked her from their clubhouse room. When you're blocked from clubhouse room, you don't get access. So she said, I'm going to make my own shadow account. She did make a puppet account. Now she's listening in and she got upset at me because I told people in a room, hey, there's a New York Times report in the room. Just be careful because this could wind up in print. She called that harassment and gender based harassment and the thing they're complaining about now is that all of us are trying to go around them and just tell our stories directly and so they're all in rage. They're saying, how dare Marc Andreessen or, you know, A16Z, you know, not talk to us. It's like, well, what? Why should they? I mean, you know, my experience with the press has been that about 75% of the time when they asked me for comment on something, it ends up being a hit piece. Maybe not on me, but on some something I care about. And they, they, they twist what you say or take one little quote out of context to support the article and you end up giving credence to an article that you completely disagree with. And so. And so all of us have to stop taking those calls. I mean we just know, we just know there's such an agenda behind most of these calls that we just like don't take them anymore. That's that's why we're going direct. I'll say one thing about Taylor Lawrence. I I've learned a lot because I feel like, you know, being 44, I'm kind of out of the no. And I've learned a lot because she's she has her finger on the process. I mean it's really, it's been really fun reading her, reading her stuff. The other thing I'll say is on the end, recent thing. I think what they have finally stumbled into, like I remember when, you know, Andreesen started about a year before I started social capital. And I remember the whole push was you know multi services, right, and they were going to be recruiting and sales and this and that. You know, I suspect that all of that was kind of like pretty meager ROI and not that it just burned a ton of fees. But I think this thing that they're doing is really smart because if they effectively build. Their own distribution arm through newsletters, sub stack podcasts. You know, clubhouse shows, whatever. That's a force to be reckoned with because then if you're a venture investor you either have to be like them with their own version, in which case the the brand of and Andreessen really matters, or you're on this path of where the trend adventure is already going, which is solo, GP's and individual people are the brands and there's going to be very little space in the middle. So for example, like I do think that like you know, the all in podcast helps, for example, David in craft or Jason, you and launch, but you guys also. Going crazy, but and you guys also stand alone as individuals. But you know, if you're a traditional firm, you know, pick your organization which neither has brands nor has distribution, what are you doing? Well, you're probably forced to just pay the highest price. And so those returns for those folks in the middle get really bad, I think over time. And you at some point have to decide, are you an individual person? Right. And there's like some amazing up and coming GP's. We know them. Lucky Groom, go folks like that. Or are you, are you? Andreessen Horowitz with this massive distribution, I mean, and now we have to just, I think face the reality that we are in competition and I think that's what is making the press. Even more, that's what makes the situation more complicated. I'm not saying the press is targeting people they consider competitive, but the press is not getting Vlad, Elon or Zuck for interviews. But because Marc Andreessen has, you know, clubhouse now, they put themselves on the suggested follower list just like Twitter. Put Om Kara Swisher and some other journalists on the suggested follow list for Twitter. What that was was it was payment, basically like a million followers. Now Andreessen has a million followers. Bellagio, all these. Folks from injuries and I believe have like a million followers, so the press is complaining about that as well because they can then dominate them in terms of getting subjects. So they've lost the subjects. None of us get on the phone with the press, with very few exceptions. And where is sway or Vox or Ezra Klein when compared to our podcast? Right? Like we're right up there with them, if not ahead of them. I mean, we're the number one tech podcast, so it's it's pretty crazy when you think about how much their world has changed and now they're directly in competition with injuries. Tomorrow it's all in podcast, you know, pick the firm doing adventure thing and that's going to make this even more contentious. Yes, I I totally agree with that. But I also, I do think fundamentally that all of us wouldn't have felt the same need to go around them if we didn't feel that there was such a strong agenda just to bring what have you guys heard of Gell Mann, amnesia effect? Michael crighton. OK, so Michael Crighton, you know, who wrote drastic park and like a true polymath and genius, right. Airframe. Very good, by the way. I mean, so many. Brilliant things. He was even a Hollywood director. True multi. Talented guy. Anyway, he described the the Gellman amnesia effect as follows. He says you open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. So in this case it was a physics paper by on Gell Mann, OK? You know this, yeah, yeah, he says. He says you read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backwards, reversing cause and effect. I call these the wet streets cause rain stories. The paper is full of them. OK. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, but then you turn the page to some other section, to National International affairs, and you read the rest of the paper as if it was somehow. More accurate, totally. You turn the page and forget what you know which is that the journalist just gets so much wrong and and I think you know and and all of us kind of suffer from gel manasia sometimes because we still I think take when we read something in the paper we take it at face value. And I think but we we all know that when it comes to tech reporting or whatever there's so much misinformation that's got gets put out by these official channels and I think at the end of the day what's happening now. With these and run around the traditional media, it's all a response to jail man amnesia. I think it's a problem of complexity. You know, I I remember years ago, I would when I was younger, I would read the paper or read magazines about science. And engineering. And I was, you know, really interested in these topics. And it was only years later when I actually realized how wrong so many of those articles were as I started to read the original scientific research papers. But it takes a skill set and it takes a significant amount more time to really go into depth into those papers and to actually read them. The same is true, as you point out, with like, you know, geopolitical issues like the complexity of what goes on. Yeah, here's what information. And when I was a journalist, we would have about 10 to 20% of the information. About what occurred when we've published our first story and then maybe every subsequent follow up we get another 10%. Which means if we were really hooked into a story and we did 5 versions of that story, we might get to 40 percent, 50% understanding. Whereas when the four of us are doing a deal and then you see this impact, you know the press is getting it completely wrong. And that was fine if you felt the press was fair. Happening is now there. There's a distinct feeling with subjects that they're being treated unfairly. And what I do when somebody connects to me and they say, hey, can you comment on Robin or whatever? I said I can't. But I do have a great story for you about a world positive startup. And I kept doing this with Teddy, who kept asking me to give information on friends of mine, you know, the guy from Rico or whatever who covers like philanthropy. And every time they contact me I say, yeah, you know, I can't comment on that, but you can talk to the founder. But I have three world positive stories. Are you interested in any of them? And I just do that kind of to troll them and they've never. In five years, taking me up on profiling a world positive. So if the press wants to turn this around, a very simple solution is one for you, one of your hate stories. So if you for every time you want to take down a company, maybe write about one company that's doing something good. There's some company doing something in carbon sequestering right now that is super valid and world positive, right about it. And the only time they write about Tesla is when Elon trips or you know, something that somebody dies in a car or they write about Uber because of some tragedy. Sorry, I just want to say like Jason, like. Just going back a second, like your point is 1 about bias, which is, you know, creating sensationalism, sell stories, it's what consumers want to consume. Sure. At the end of the day. So there's certainly, you know, a A market driven model there. The the point I was trying to make earlier is there's also a separate problem around complexity, which is complex issues take time and take depth to truly understand. And so to really understand what's going on in the Middle East or what's going on inside of a company like Facebook requires more than A5 paragraph journal article. It requires some hours of conversation and dialogue and I think by the way. The craving for that depth which delivers truth and understanding is what, you know podcasts can provide. And clubhouse is providing long form content that allows you to go into the nuance and into the texture and into the depth of what's going on in the world. As opposed to having the five paragraph littered with ads BuzzFeed article that says something sensational, but it simplifies something to the point that it's often wrong or completely misses the real depth of what's going on. And, you know, it's like and and I think that I, I think they're both, they're both, they're both kind of playing into each other. And I want to give a prediction that they're both what you're describing are both issues. And I think they're related in the following sense that if you were to go to like any of these reporters, like the people that Jakal mentioned a couple of names, OK. If you were to filter their bylines and see all of their, not not one story, but look at like all of the headlines for all their stories over, say, the past year, you will definitely see a trend they will all, they will all have, you know like negative for certain reporters. It'll be 100% negative about tech. 0% positive. Aaron Griffin, I think, is the reporter who's one of the top tech reporters at the New York Times. It's just like Coinbase, Coinbase away. Yeah, exactly. So when's the last time they wrote a positive story? So there is this huge agenda there and and I think it prevents people from getting into the complexity because it's a lot easier to write, you know, the prediction and then going to make a bold prediction here. The media companies are going to, you know, they're obviously picking aside, they obviously went subscription. Now they're dealing with sub stack clubhouse podcasts all chipping away. I think what's going to happen is you're going to see Media brands built around certain podcasts and they're going to work subject first. In other words, the subject of the story are going to create media properties. So if you look at what we've done with all in and obviously I have this week in startups if we did. The Friedberg on science podcast and it was just Friedberg explaining a science topic. And then we did chamath on public markets and then we did sacks on you know, Alt right conspiracy theories and we just had five pots now. Or it could be something else. I don't know. Guns, you know, whatever. I don't know. We pro-life. I don't know what taxes into, but you know, but no. Sacks could do something on Sass. So sacks on Sass, freeberg on science, chamath on thirst traps. We can start, then we have all in. That's 55 full pods of an hour and a half each. If each of you did your own pod, and I had my pot and we made the all in network, the all in news network. I guarantee you we would be within five years, you know, right up there with CNN and MSNBC. Well, one thing that Jason, I've been touring with now is I really do want to start a Twitch channel. And I think part of why is I'd like to really actually have more conversations about, you know, companies and stocks and, you know, with the youths. Yeah, with the youths and like, you know, really get into the details and like also when we, you know, partner with a company, bring them on the show. So that we could spend an hour or two and talk about things in detail. It's totally lost. And the crazy thing that I realized for me is near to your point, Jason, like, you know, we have enough distribution now where where millions of people can see it and if that has real impact because, you know, you can allow people to judge. And I'm not necessarily saying we're better or worse than anybody else, but if we're not using it for the express purpose of selling ads necessarily and getting paid, I do think there's a better likelihood that it's that the outcome is better. Well, I mean a big part of the success of this has been the banning of guests and the banning of banning of ads and banning of ads. People really ever responded to that. And I think if we put a Twitch channel up and we just throw in all in, throw in this week in startups and then, you know, a, a sax, you know, point, Counterpoint show and I, I'm being sincere Freeburg just freeberg on science. And you know, that's five shows and we just say every Friday there's going to be 5 shows like this is your weekend and we're going to loop it and there'll be a Q&A. I guarantee you we could get five other besties. To do shows, you know and we wouldn't know this isn't it. Didn't you guys originally like so for the audience that that doesn't know this originally the all in podcast was chamath and Jason. They were talking about doing a show together and then COVID hit and they, I think you guys asked me on the the pod zero to talk about COVID stuff. But what was the original goal you guys had? You know Chamath isn't that what you wanted to do originally was to have kind of a direct audience and a direct conversation about, you know, whatever it is you wanted to talk about? Where you could have this kind of long form dialogue, you know, what do you guys, why did you guys want to do it in the 1st place? I mean wasn't that kind of the idea? I'll tell you what, what sort of like my general viewpoint is, which is that like we are atomizing our affinity. So I think that like we've gone from believing in institutions and now I think we fundamentally mistrust institutions. Then we spent 30 or 40 years believing in companies and now I think we basically don't believe in companies. Anymore. And now we're sort of at the, at the, at the bleeding edge of what where belief and trust exists, which is at an individual person level, ownership. Ownership. So, so, so like, you know, I and I think that when an individual has the potential to not just be about something for themselves but also for themes that other people care about, that's when you get real heat. And obviously the most impressive example of that is Eline, because, you know, he represents exploration. Engineering, science, climate change, you know, memes, all all of this stuff, not really memes, not really. I these other things are really what matters. And so and So what it shows people is like, I just want to find affinity around a few key people. And what he is is not the end state. He's the beginning of the beginning, right. So what's going to happen is all of us will say, I don't trust institutions. So whatever they put out is just going to be corpo. I don't trust companies. What they say is going to be Corpo. I'm gonna take my best shot at finding folks that I think are real, and I'm just going to get that. That's the thing. That's why I wanted to do this with Jason and then with the four of us. I think what happened almost accidentally is. It's like a real plurality of views and and you don't have to agree with all of us and frankly, no, no, nobody does and we don't generally agree 100%, but I think that's what's happening. So I think we're another much smaller than Elon. But it's another example of you're going to want to find your own truth tellers, you know, folks that you will get behind and in. And I think that, you know business people, that's where they're going to merge because if you look at that first generation of star Kim Kardashian, the Kanye West of the world. That's arching. You know then people went to like the Mr Beasts and that's still building so you have the business celebrity building, you have sort of next generation celebrity building and I think that's what's. So let me just ask you guys one question because you know I think the the intention with with journalists was kind of to be arbiters of the truth or discover as a fact and to to deliver that fact to their audience and when you have this direct relationship between the source and the audience. As you do through social media and Twitter and whatnot. There isn't an arbiter, there isn't a third party. And everything that then is said by the source is taken at face value. How does that play out in a world where, you know, Trump may say things like, hey, there's election fraud when the facts don't line up and now you have this ability to not have an arbiter. And these people, anyone that now has a direct relationship with a large audience can say anything they want and kind of drive large change without those things necessarily being rooted in some, you know, relative kind of objective sense. So. Sacks well, I mean, I think it's a marketplace of ideas and everybody's competing. And the the answer to bad speech or bad ideas is more speech and better ideas. And I mean, that's the reality is it is very frustrating to see, you know, people propagating things that aren't true. However, none of us has been opoly on the truth. We can't say for sure what it is. And so we arrive at the truth through sort of a free marketplace of ideas. There is no better solution than that. You know, there is no magical way to entrust. Small elite of people with, you know, the right to censor and tell us what the truth is without essentially, you know creating a worse situation and you know that that's the fundamental problem. So, yeah, look we're, we're, we're going to, we're going to this era in which there there there is no. You know if you go back like 50 years ago, you had Walter Cronkite saying and that's the way it is and everyone believed him and then the New York Times was the paper of record and people believe the news that's fit to print. Right, exactly. And so, but that's been steadily eroding for decades, and now the Internet is the final erosion of that. And and look, I think it's not an it's not a bad thing, because in order for journalism to work, you need all the journalists to buy into a certain code of journalistic behavior and ethics, which is all about objectivity. And the press doesn't buy into that anymore. They don't believe in objectivity anymore, and they. Something sacks young writers I found. When we were trying to hire young writers for insight, as an example, they all wanted to write anti Trump, you know, pro woke, whatever. They had some axe to grind. And I said, you know, you should really write an opinion page, but you haven't done any journalism yet. So you should probably do journalism for 10 years. And then the second decade, you earned the right to be on the opinion page. Let's put in some reps do 10 years of this and you know it. Just never actually. You guys hear something? You guys seen that movie from from dusk till dawn? And there's that moment where the movie just suddenly the scene changes and everything's different. What's that? Somebody out there? Ohhh, what's going on? That's the we have online. Wait, what? Somebody's calling the bestie. Phone. Did you give the best phone number to somebody? Chamat? Oh my God, it's somebody. Wait, what's going on? Who's there? You up you, up you. What's going on? OK, let's see. Is anybody there? Hello? Draymond Green in the house. Draymond Gresty, guesty. What's up bestie? Where are you? Are you in? Are you in a coronavirus COVID quarantine somewhere in an NBA bubble? Where are you? I'm in Dallas, stuck in the hotel with bad water pressure. The worst. That. Honestly, that is the thing. If you had to give me the most luxurious hotel in the world, but with a tap, a faucet for water pressure, no thanks. I would rather sleep. I would rather sleep in a box with a great with a great shower. Everything. Everything's all right on the call, obviously. Drafted by the Golden State Warriors in the second round, 35th overall in the 2020 NBA draft. Three time NBA champion, 201617 Defensive Player of the year, two time NBA All Star, five time all defense and drafted behind Michael Kidd, Gilchrist, Waters, Harrison Barnes, Tyler's out there, miles plumbing and. I don't know how many people got drafted ahead of you, Draymond, but I know that you can repeat them in order. Is there anybody who's drafted ahead of you who has achieved even a fraction of what you've achieved in the NBA? Draymond, there's 34 guys drafted ahead of me and I definitely can still name all of them. And saying that, I think there are a few. Anthony Davis, he's done, OK? He got one ring. Damian Lillard? No rings. But a stud. Stud. Very good player, but no rings. I'm just saying. And Bradley Beal. Brad Beal? OK, also no rings. I got all the guys in the rings category, but then I don't have Patrick McCall in the rings category. Patrick McCall has the same amount of range for me, so who you know? So. Respected those guys and they although they know how to raise, I got major respect for those guys. We were thinking about what to talk to you about coming on the pod and we have a series of questions just about being an NBA player and what you've learned and how good you've become. I just, I'll start it off with one question, which is it seems like every year you get a little better at something. How do you do that? Do you like say over the summer I'm just going to be better at my screens, I'm going to be better at XY? Z or do you just try to get incrementally better all year long? I mean, you always want to try to get better all year long, but the reality is with this season, with the way, not just this season in particular, an NBA season in general, you don't have much time to get better, so you're kind of just getting better on the fly. And when when you're in your workouts during the season, you're just trying to maintain because there's such little prep time. But they're an offseason, you really lock in on a couple of things and try to get better at those things. You know, I think I've become a much better ball handler. I think I see the four much better. I think I've gotten better overall as a player. The one area that I've wanted to see more growth in is my shooting. And, you know, when I'm shooting a basketball on my own, I know for sure I've gotten better at shooting. Like, you know, you come in the gym with me, I'll shoot the lights out every time. But it's it's about getting over that mental block in the game. You know, I think that's the thing people don't realize is, you know, I shot the lights out. Four years in a row. And, you know, I had a year where I think I shot 39% from 3. But then you go through the struggle and once you lose it mentally, it's hard to get it back. And so I'm fighting that challenge now, although I know I can make the shot. So when you get in the game, mentally got to get over that hurdle, what? What do you do you do? Like meditation or do you have like a coach who does like positive visualizations or something like that? Or is it just wraps and working through a shooting slump? Definitely incorporated some meditation on the calm app. Thank you. All right. Thank you. No more. You describe that **** on the only podcast you have to disclose if you have options right now. I don't have any. No shares yet. Dream on our, our, our, our other players in the NBA struggling right now. I mean with like COVID over the last year and the shutdown and the fits and starts and everything. I mean is it kind of tough to get in the game mentally for folks and it's it's brutal. It's brutal. I, you know, you talk to guys around the league, there is even some guys and I won't throw anybody under the bus, but and I'm talking about 1 superstar in particular who I've never seen him out of shape and he's so out of shape right now everybody. No comment. James Hart. Luke organs are. But I've never seen this guy, the shape and he's out of shape right now. And I asked him what he's planning. He's like, man, the bubble, like all. It's just been hard and I completely understand that. I mean, what? It was brutal and this season currently, you know, I don't want to sound like. Just this overprivileged guy who's complaining about being able to make a living because there's so many people who've lost their jobs and and I don't take, you know, being able to go to work for granted at all, but this season has been extremely tough. You know, whereas an NBA day, normally it's like maybe four to six hours, like every day, right now it's like 10 to 12 hours. Wow. And, you know, it's COVID testing you for 11:00 AM practice. We have to be at the facility at 8. 45 AM oh, wow. And then you have to be back at this facility to test no later than five in between 4:00 and five theater. And so you, you kind of have these long drawn out days and about maybe 2 hours of that is actual work time, you know? And then you're just trying to do some recovery things to kill time. You can't leave the hotel. You know, for myself, one thing that I've always found in the NBA season is it's a ton of pressure, obviously. And it's very, very. Demanding that you can't really do much else. As you guys know, I'm always trying to coordinate with y'all about playing poker around the sketch. You can't really do anything else. But one place that I've found is normally I'll take like a day trip to Aspen, you know, or do different things like that. A day trip to LA to kind of clear your mind and get a release. You don't have those releases now. You can't take a day trip. You can't get away even on off days. You have to go to the facility and test and so even just seeing that. Facility that they are though, you may not even go into work out, but you drive into that facility every day. Mentally, it's exhausting and so it's been a very tough season to say the least and I think a lot of guys are struggling with it. And saying that, you know, we all want to continue to earn our living. So it must be better to be playing versus being stuck at home with, with the the league shutdown, right? I mean it's gotta be better. Better for all of us. Obviously you know from an economical standpoint we all want to continue to make money you know and and provide for our families. We all want to continue to take this lead to new heights. So it's always better for us to be on the court than off and but that comes with certain challenges and you just got to deal with those challenges and try to continue to press forward. Before you came on we were talking about the media and we're talking about how all these industries. Used to rely on the media to tell their story, and now all these industries are finding ways to go around them. And it's even happening in venture capital, right? In the business of sports. I found this thing that that I thought was really interesting. Rinaldo signed a $1 billion lifetime contract, right? I think this is like two or three years insane. But then it turned out that in one year he generated $474 million of value for Nike just through social media because of the number of followers he had. Which I think is just absolutely nuts. What do you think about the media? What do you think about your ability to tell your version of the facts through the media? I think we definitely grown in that area, as you said. And you know, in all business, whether it's basketball, whether it's venture, you know, just all over the board, everyone is growing in that area and kind of start taking the bull by the horns and trying to tell their own narrative. You know, if you want me to be quite frank with you, I hate the media and I sort of sex. It's saying that I could possibly be a part of that Group One day, you know? But I hate the media. And the reason I hate the media is I don't hate particular people. You know, I have relationships with a ton of people in media, great people. I hate what media entails. In today's day and age, you know, it's all about who can serve the most commotion. What happened with this guy, what happened with that guy. It's less about, man, this guy is struggling. On the floor and more about James Harden was in the club. Yeah, you know. So how much controversy can we stir up about James Harden being in the club as opposed to? If we really wanted to talk bad about James Harden when he was on the Houston Rockets, he was bumming it. Now we all know James Harden isn't a bomb player, but he was completely dogging it with the Houston Rockets. He's completely turned it up and turned back into James Harden as he's gotten to the Nets. But you can easily, if you wanna nitpick at James Harden, talk about James Harden not playing well. But in turn, we're going to talk about James Harden being in the club that night. And he was at little Baby's birthday party. And although, you know, I I disagree with some of the things they were doing. Why is that all that? Call back. It's all about clicks and and and selling ad dollars against that. We were just talking about that before you got on it. Look at look at what happened to Kyrie in in the span of literally a week. Kyrie had both sides of the same coin. One was he violates the shelter in place or whatever and was like at a birthday party with his family and then he gets suspended. And on the other side, Kyrie had bought a house for George Floyd's family. And so it's like both are true, but you have to go through these two new cycles where first he's just a ***** ** **** and then he's this amazing. Philanthropists. What's the point? Yeah, I agree. I don't, I don't get the point. Like and like, like Freebirds just said, it's it's all about clicks. And I think that short lived, you know, at some point everyone's going to get tired of your clickbait. And so yes, it may drive you revenue right now. It may, you know, bring more subscribers right now. But in the long term, people are gonna get sick of that at the end of the day. Authenticity always wins out when you create great products, when you give everything great to whatever business that you're giving, that's always gonna outlive the ********. And so you got and and that's why you're starting to see so many, so much turnover with media people and leaving this job and going to this place and leaving another place because people get sick of that ****. And so I feel like all of these guys are driving themselves out. You're constantly, you're killing your relationships with players, you're killing your. And when I say players, I'm not just talking about NBA players. You guys are the players in the venture space where the players in the in the basketball space, you're killing your relationships with the players. So eventually you're just gonna be stuck there tweeting out ******** making ******** articles that no cosign to, and then no one wants to ******* hear you anymore. I don't do that. Looks like we got our bestie in rotation now. Yeah, I'm gonna get clip. There's a little red, a little drip. Ohh man, your first bestie rant that Draymond. We've all, we've all had our moments, we've all had our dream. And have you watched or listened to any of this podcast before I was cool? So you ******* kidding me? I don't know. I, I have a, I have a question actually. So. So, yeah. And I'm not sure if the viewers know because from Jason's introduction that we actually play poker with you, right. That's how I got to know you. And, you know, obviously it's been a real thrill and because you're a great guy and it's also really interesting to get a window into your world. But I'm curious, like what do you get out of hanging out with us are, you know, these, these, these losers and white nurses. So, you know, and and then you know. Maybe use that as a segue to also talk about what you're doing in business these days, because I think that's interesting. What? What I get from hanging out with you guys is #1 incredible friends. You know, I think that's what's been the most important thing for me. It's just building friendships that will go far beyond any of you guys, doing any deals that will go far beyond me doing any deals or me playing basketball. And that's the thing that I cherished the most. You know, obviously it started with bestie, see? Bringing me into the poker game and introducing me to everyone, and then all of you guys welcoming me with open arms. And you know, I always say in the groups, in our group chats, anytime that there's a debate going on, I make sure to throw my disclaimer out there. Hey, I can't talk anything that you guys. I know everyone can talk circles around me, but this is how I feel on. Said topic and tell tell us about the tell us about the temperature in America. The temperature in America is ****** ** and and I think you know where we are today as a country. It's no different than where we were 30 years ago, 40 years ago. We just live in a day and age of social media where we can see everything. And so the same battle cry that Doctor King was crying 50 years ago, it's still currently going on today. It's the same exact thing or 60 years ago, it's the same exact things that's that's taking place today. And our country is 1 and and one of the most ****** ** spaces it's ever been in and then. Knowing that it's in just about the same place that has always been it. And so you know we've sugarcoated here for so long that. It seems now like ohh, police killings are an all time high of shooting unarmed people. You know racism is at an all time high. It's not an all time high. It's the same that it's been. It's just on the it's it's being pushed to the forefront now as opposed to it being on the back burner before. And so that's that's just kind of where we are as a country you know that things are getting sentiments going to shift. I mean, you know, the protests that happened in this country over the last year obviously happened during COVID and and I think it magnified them a lot more than, you know, similar protests that have taken place historically. But you know, are we seeing like sentiment shift in the United States in terms of policy and people's behaviors and and attitudes right now? I think some people behavior, but I I don't think anything is going to shift and part and partly because we live in a fake *** world where no one can say anything. You say anything you get castrated for. You're I I think. You know, and and telling your truth, which in order to create the change that we need in America, people have to be able to speak the truth. And if you can't speak the truth without getting ******* destroyed and a part of the ******** Castle culture that we all have to deal with, then how can you ever create change through life? Life is what we've been facing for hundreds of years, but yet when you get in front of a microphone, you have to be very conscious of what you say. Because it may **** this group of people off or it may **** that group of people off and then you're never allowed to tell the ******* truth. So how will we ever move forward as a country if no one can tell the truth and you only get cancelled? So you cancel who tells the truth and we ******* push forwards. All the lines will never move anywhere as a country. So I don't think we're going anywhere. Seems like in the NBA, we went from the player saying, listen, I don't want to touch that. Michael Jordan was very clear in the last dance. Like, you know, I'm, I'm a. I'm an athlete. I don't want to talk about politics. I don't want to lose half the audience. And then you had, you know, mellow and, you know, LeBron and a bunch of folks see Chris Paul, I guess, was in that group too, Dwyane Wade, when they came out and said, hey, listen, we got to talk about this and we got to talk about race in America. And then that culminated with the Black Lives Matter branding of everything in the bubble and that kind of historic moment. What's the what's what was the vibe inside of the NBA when the player said, listen, this is important to us. If we're going to get back on the court, we need to make this front and center. This is our priority. And then you, let's face it, you got a lot of owners in the league, maybe, who are old white guys. Maybe they don't want to bring this kind of heat. They don't want this kind of debate. They want to just play ball, shut up and dribble all this nonsense. What was that moment like when you guys said, no, this is what we have to do if we're going to get back on the court. I think, I think guys have just had enough. And more and most importantly, I think now more than ever guys truly understand the power of the athlete. You know, in the in the exactly closing the loop on what we just said. You we control the narrative. You control the narrative. And so we're we're just kind of in a space where we understand this ship don't sell without us and the things that matter to us has to matter to the league now and saying that I think. We have a Commissioner that supports everything we stand for. And when you have a Commissioner like Adam Silver, who is in full support of everything that the players stand for, is never trying to fight us. It's never trying to put a muzzle on us and tell us not to stand up for what we believe in. That that's a very powerful thing. And that's why the NBA is the most powerful sports league in the world, because we have a Commissioner who's on board and who not only supports what the players think and what we believe in. But he takes it even a step further, you know, and and you don't see that you you see the NFL tell guys you have to stay, you know, or or stay in the locker room. Adam Silver, don't do us, don't do that to us. And that's why there's always friction between their Commissioner and their players. David, what did you think about the storm, the capital when you were watching that? What was going through your mind? We we see the two different sides of America. The first thing that went through my mind was, I wonder if that was a Black Lives Matter protest or or Black Lives Matter protesters stormed in the capital. How much of a bloodbath it would have been it would have been one of the biggest bloodbaths in in American history, you know, and and and so immediately when I saw it, the first thing I thought of was like, wow, how how is this? Even happening like. And let alone and not happening, no one. And and by the way, I don't wish death on anyone, but I know that if those were melanated people storming into the Capitol building, it would have been bloodshed everywhere. They would, absolutely. And so it just kind of really, once again just revealed how there's two sides of America. And as I said before, until we tell the truth about it. We'll still will continue to live in a day and age where they'll be two sides of America. Draymond, when when COVID first started and we went into lockdown and we were all texting with each other, talking about, like, how crazy the world had become. One of the things that stuck with me and still sticks with me is the comments you made over our text chain about how it feels like you felt growing up. Can you just explain what you meant by that? And, like, just share that with our audience that's listening because it was such a striking comment. We were all like, Oh my gosh, like, I can't go outside. I can't like, go to the store like this. This world is crazy. And you were like, this is what it was like. And it was just such a striking. Maybe you can just share a little bit about what you meant by that because I think it paints a little bit of a picture, you know, for folks to understand a little bit about, you know, kind of, you know, what America can be like and what it's like growing up in in, in parts of the US #1. Or point out that I told all of y'all the first day we went into lockdown. We also go to cowboy, and no one listened to me. What a good call. It was a good call. You were right. We should all go. No, but when when I said that in the group chat, when I said what I said in the group chat was. Honestly. I was in my condo in San Francisco. I live in a high rise. Great view of the Bay Bridge, great view of the water. You see all the San Francisco S San Everywhere. And and I said to the group chat after a few weeks of lockdown, I said this. You know guys I have to be quite frank with you. This feels no different than me growing up in Saginaw, MI and and what I mean by that I said this feels no different than me growing up in Saginaw mission. The only difference is I know where my next. I know where my next meal is coming from, you know, and I'm and I'm in a much better place living space than I was, but this was no different. We're unlocked in I can't go anywhere. That was me growing up in Saginaw, MI. Locked in, couldn't go anywhere. Didn't know that there was a world that existed outside of Saginaw, MI and basketball was able to take me to different places, but I I didn't know anything existed and nothing seemed accessible to a young black kid growing up in Saginaw, MI. So once I was. Once I was then locked in the house along with everyone else in the world. It just took me back to a space of wow, nothing else is as something accessible to me. This was exactly what it was when I was growing up as a 10 year old. Like nothing was accessible to us. We didn't have anything. Yeah, that's how. And so when we went into lockdown. Like, I felt right at home. I felt like the kid growing up in Saginaw again, nothing was accessible to me. But it's such a poignant point, Draymond, because so many people don't, you know, people don't have that experience. But hearing you say that, it provides perspective that there are people living that today, and it's not just about a COVID lockdown, but it's about a different world. That we don't get to see. So I really appreciated you sharing that. I it honestly was very poignant and kind of struck a nerve with me when you said it. Absolutely. I think you know one one thing, another thing I said in the chat, and I am included. We, we all got got a chance to see what it felt like to be those people. You know, obviously I lived that life growing up, but once you remove from it, you remove from it, right? Like I, you know, you try not to never forget, but let's, let's be frank, you know, chamah chamath you, you grew up with nothing coming from India and or Sri Lanka and going to Canada. You had nothing, you understand? And you know, we all understand from a different perspective, but there are still people currently that live that live that life today and they tell you all of us are glimpse of what those people go through on a daily basis. The one the one thing about this pandemic is that I've had these moments day where like I actually now am a little bit more connected to my past. I did this, I did this podcast with this guy Patrick O'Shaughnessy and he ends every podcast and he says, you know what is the kindest thing? That's. Somebody's done to you, and I had pushed this memory down into the ******* recesses of my mind. Except in this last year, I've remembered all these kindnesses. Because I've, I've now, I've, I've. These are the moments where I felt the most insecure and I and I told the story about this kid. Who, you know, when I was like 11 or 12, he was eight. So he was in my sister's class, and their family gave us a mattress, 2 mattresses and some clothes, you know, some plates and like a frying pan and a pot. Literally, when we got refugee status and when I set it on the thing, I started bawling. And then I kind of collected myself and then a little. You're talking about well, and the next, the next morning, Nat said how did it go? And I told her and I exploded, and I was crying and crying and crying and crying and to your point, like, it is so easy to forget where you come from, but it's also easy to forget that there's a simple ******* externality. In this case, it's a it's a virus you can't see that gets trans, and it makes us all the same in one fell swoop in one nanosecond. And if that doesn't make you sort of, like, empathetic to everybody, not nothing will. But that's one silver lining in this whole ******* debacle is it's an opportunity for for for a lot of folks. To reconnect with their own self, you know, and be a better. Absolutely. There's something you you paused on Draymond during the pandemic when you weren't playing and you guys obviously with the injuries and everything didn't you weren't in the bubble so you had a lot of time to be with yourself. Did you have any like during this great pause, you know, I don't know revelations about yourself, your career and what you want to do in the second-half of your career because let's be honest, I mean the run the Warriors has had. Is been transcendent. I mean, you guys have checked off every box. You personally have checked off every box, especially for a guy who was drafted in the second round to be a champion and like the way you've developed and the leadership, I mean, everybody in the league knows when you were on the court, that's the team, and you have that leadership, the ability to see the floor and direct the offense, direct the defense. Did you come up with anything we said? This is what I want out of the future of my life because we saw you dabble with, you know, TNT and the desk and you killed it. We we've seen you miked up. We see you coaching now. It seems like there's a 2.0, Draymond, like maybe a little evolution here of your thinking about maybe the third act and the second-half of your NBA career on the court. You know, I had a lot of time to really sit and reflect. You know, I grew a lot in my personal relationships, which I think was important, you know, and and I think I also grew up, grew a lot as as a business professional as well. And Speaking of, you know, the the TNT. So that was, I think you know we've kind of always, I've kind of always heard like man, when you when you finish playing you'll have a great career in TV. But the reality is, is you know we we've seen some players you know that were really good players to get out there and not be very you know be very good sitting at the desk or or you know color commentating the game and and so it's not. As easy as most people think it is, people think just because you play basketball 8 that you know basketball and then B, that you're going to help you, you're going to be able to. Translate or or help give everyone else an understanding of what exactly it is that you see and and so getting up there and actually being able to do it. And then the reception that I got, which was people, you know, and in my mind, I've always said I want to be Tony Romo or the NBA. Tony Romo is one of my favorite people to watch. Do color commentary because he makes it very simple for you to understand. He tell you it's Tony Romo. Sit there and call the plays out there. The team is about to run just by seeing the formation and they do exactly what he said they're about to do. It's the most incredible thing. And and Speaking of which we were talking about earlier, which was the media. One of the things that ****** me off most about the game of basketball today is I can't turn on a sports talk show and actually learn about basketball, and that ******* ****** me off. All I could turn on talk show about is there about ******** but the reality is we have. We know so many people talking and and speaking about the game of basketball. They don't know **** right? And so you can't turn on the TV and learn. And so the one thing I say I want to bring to that world is I want to be able to teach the game of basketball and then for people to then contact me. Once I was sitting up there at the desk and inside on inside the NBA and doing all of these different things to contact me and say the way you break the game down makes it so easy to understand. That was a huge win for me, and it gave me a lot of hope to want to succeed more in that area. Well, I, I'll, I'll say something different, which is what I see is like just in just an incredibly beautiful human being because like, you're able to humanize that, but then you can go and speak on these other things. That's actually what we need more of because all of a sudden now it's very hard to put people in a box, and it shows that we are all multifaceted. It's just that sometimes we don't get the exposure. Meaning, like I would say I have different facets of my personality because we've been friends for so long and that's a gift you gave to me. You just said being in that group chat with us, which can be a cacophonous ******* mess. Sometimes that group chat should that group chat could never, never, never could be published. Never, never. But, but the point is, like, and this goes back to this first thing, like, we can now really like, be authentic and show all these different facets of ourselves. And it's just like, to me, that's what's really important because then people see that there is more than, you know, like, like the, the, the most, the best rebuttal. To like that whole shut up and dribble, which was so ******* offensive is literally for you to be great at basketball, great at broadcasting, great as a, you know, social, you know, person who can comment on the social times. For a moment, great businessman and then I'm just going to put one thing out there right now. Eventually. Great ******* politician. Because this is like, now you want to talk about somebody? No. But you want to talk about somebody who can galvanized interest and there's an even governor election coming up, Draymond and someone, someone on our podcast no longer running, apparently. Guys, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna make a prediction that our bestie will be the governor of Michigan or the Governor of California before before the time he's 50. No, thank you. I appreciate that. Maybe. I mean, you know, I love the state of Michigan at home, you know, and but I I think California will be home for me for the rest of my life. So last week California. Hey mom, let me ask you a question. You're you're on Twitter. I understand you have a Twitter handle. Sometimes you check it out. Did you see teammates shirtless? Picture with the shirt off. And they did you see the thirst trap? Did you see it, Taylor Trulock, tell the truth. He looked away. If we all know Samantha, I'm sorry. Probably sent it to the ******* group. He snuck the outtakes. What are all of us to say? Thanks. I definitely saw the picture. Actually, I I I I'm the one who posted it to the to the group chat. And I my comment my comment. My comment was Chamath Kardashian? Because you put you put the camera in front of your face, you were like you you it looked like this. It was like you did this thing like. They taught me how to do this. He's like. Ohh, that's an OK guys. Listen, we are, we are. We're nearing the end of our podcast. Jason, do you want to tell Daddy what we're going to do? OK, so some people have given some reviews or just feedback on the pod, on the besties, maybe even you, Draymond. And so we thought it would be incredibly uncomfortable and funny for us to read some of these. So, sacks, why don't you kick us off with one? Well, there's a really good pie chart. Here which Nick Nick can show, which shows all in pod talk time and it's basically mostly chamath. And then Jason with with both David's feeling like a tiny little piece and then the majority of it is chamath and Jason talking over each other. Isn't that the pot? Bored? Elon Musk posted that, I guess. Yeah. Here's one from Brooklyn Gal 212 on sacks one star review. Sax, go ahead and read this one star review from Brooklyn Gal 212. Yeah, she says that David Saxon runs every conversation on this call. You forgot the period. All right, here's one about shamatha. Three. This one. OK. It's from Howard. Axel roark. With a pencil, with a with a pill, it says. Every time Chamath does something to make me like him, he does two things to make me hate his guts. Go **** yourself. Sounds like me and my playing career. Everyone ******* hates me, man. It's crazy. Draymond, I will tell you when when I first when I first thought about putting a tweet out for like the first time you were the one who said man, everyone's gonna talk **** but forget the haters. It's like that's just the way it goes when you start. Oh yeah, **** yeah **** the haters. Alright, here's one for this is a a super fan. Aaron sent this one in to the e-mail. Jason, at this point I fully believe you have bought laminated and framed. Kathy Griffin severed Trump in that picture. How many gallons of semen spilled onto it? Oh my Lord. Oh, too much. Twitter offered 2 blue checkmarks. You'd have three. Your zealotry has made even Bill Maher blush, and the other besties cringe when you can take even a slight ribbing. It's so bad now. The besties have started their own side chat without you. At your funeral, the besties will show up. Not out of respect for you, but for your family. Oh my God, my Lord. Signed Jackal and sacks, no commentary. Ohh my Lord. OK David, yours yours is up there. Oh wait wait. I need to do this. Hot take hot take ready the hot take hot takes not deeply researched 3 stars. Jason and Chamath make good points, but the other two are such whiny nerds, one of whom is clearly right wing wannabe vanilla ISIS. Look so brittle. Call you a terrorist. I think I think he's referring to Freeburg. David, definitely not me. Definitely not. Have the same. Jason, you want to read the next one? This is incredible evil. Jason. Jason. OK, here we go. This is from Adam Keem. He posted this on January 30th, so not long ago. He gives me a full one star, which I think one star is like #1, right? Five stars is 5th place. First Star is one place. Jason Calacanis is a monster monster, not monster monster. Wow. After listening to Jason on the latest podcast, I am Floored. His personal attacks and his. Complete support of the manipulators in our market should tell you something. This guy is evil. Let's move. Thanks mom. David is trash. That is all which David Freeburg always Freeburg Freeburg. Here's here's one all read if metromile and or becoming new head of USA vaccination doesn't work out for David Friedberg. He could still have an amazing career as a Kermit the Frog voice actor. ******. Here's a here's Marcus Aurelius, a 13367156 saying to me, Snoop, sniffing your own farts. The **** does that? It means that you are so enamored with yourself, Jamal, that you think your farts are fragrant. Oh my God, OK, I'm going to read. I'm going to read a Draymond Green mean team. There you go. My green shoot like he's sitting down in a chair. **** ***. God, my God, read the next one. Read the next one. Screens. This French sugar lump lump sugar with an egg. Draymond Green is so attractive to to me. I don't know why, because he's legally ugly. Wait a second. She Meg you? I think she's trying to sign into the M and nagging you with this. You know, the brutal, by the way, the brutal thing about that, the way the brutal, brutal thing about that is not not one sent to me. She's like, man, Draymond Green is really attractive. I said, what the **** are you talking about? I said I am so much better looking than Trayvon Green. He'll never get over that. Draymond, he'll talk about that. You'll never get over that. It's been a year. I'm still tilted, so let's not get crazy, OK? You're solid sevens on a podcast. Low fives take it easy. Did they read gold Bluffs guts? Draymond Green still shoots like he got the door to his floor back. Riddle we might Draymond. We invite Draymond on this nice podcast. Don't even tell him. Have him roasts himself. This is he's never coming back. God bless, but guess not going in. Yeah, this is just so hard. It's so ********. Oh my God, that was that was really fun to have you on. Thanks. Appreciate it. Love you guys. I love all of you. I love you. You ******* nerd. For not talking circles around around me on this podcast. Leave that for the chat, alright? Love you, big boy. Alright? I love you. I appreciate you very much. You guys love you, bestie. I love you, bestie. Let your winners ride, Rain Man, David sat. We open sources to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it. Besties? My dog taking out your driveway? Ohh man. Just get a room and just have one big huge order because they're all like this, like sexual tension that they just need to release them out. Beat, beat. See what? Where did you get merch? I'm going.